White flight from MCPS

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Anonymous wrote:People are scared. Even a W school recently had an incident with a LOADED gun!

I hate hate what the world has become for kids.

My DC is at college. DC said they have active shooter alarm drills, and sometimes, it catches them off guard, and it freaks them out.

So sad that they have to go through this.

There is no safe place in the US: not churches, not even the Capitol building. So sad for my children.

You could always move to another country if you think things would be better there. Which country do you think is a better place to raise kids as a foreigner?

Or did you just want a chance to bash the US?

good heavens, a "America, love it or leave it!" person in 2023.

Good heavens no.

The PP says she hates what the world has become, but then goes on to disparage the US specifically. I have family all over the world and the mom of 2 non-White daughters, I will argue that things are not better elsewhere.

But I am interested in knowing where the PP would prefer to raise her kids.

DP...Iceland, Finland, Norway, Denmark,Switzerland, France...should I continue? The United States is absolutely not the best place in the world anymore....not by a long shot.

Oh, I get it. You prefer more homogeneous societies. Guess that mantra of ‘diversity is our greatest strength’ turns out to be just words. Huh.

And France, lol. That’s rich. France has just as many issues as we do here in the US. Maybe more.

That recent incident outside Paris where the school shooter took out…oh right, that’s only a headline written here.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm no MCPS cheerleader (serious problems all around) but your problems won't be solved by private schools or moving counties or even moving states. As someone else in this thread stated, this has become a societal problem. The education system is broken across every single board. (Yes, cue the "BUT MY PRIVATE SCHOOL!" parents to chime in) Private schools are broken too. Stop looking for a magical fix by changing schools. Start at home.

+1. Folks aren’t going to be able to flee to private to escape because there is not enough spots. Schools that over enrolled during Covid are now taking less students to rebalance their numbers. Further, schools(at least quality ones) are getting more and more expensive. Moving districts won’t help because all districts have their issues and you still have to find housing. Folks were fleeing to Loudon only to realize that the explosive growth was causing schools to have to constantly be doing boundary studies and then encounter some of the same issues. Things won’t be fixed until folks stop trying to run away from problems and instead get involved to help solve them.

Teachers would love to start fixing things. We would like appropriate discipline, curriculum that matches the level of students, grades that match student performance, student accountability, supports for sped and eml students, etc… Unfortunately in this county you’re not allowed to say any of that because you’d be considered racist. This county ONLY cares about race and optics and if you’re not on board, you are racist.

At least private schools do not have to admit some of the kids we are dealing with. Privates can look for parent involvement, on-grade level students with no or minimal behaviors, the ability to discipline, and most importantly, the right to not ask a child back the next year. If you truly believe that privates are = to publics, you are very ignorant.

Yes, final nail in coffin was when prior prior superintendent spent all of back to school night talking equity with no mention of curriculum, standards or anything else. We moved to private and found the most talented Black families in the area. Really impressive.

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Anonymous wrote:People are scared. Even a W school recently had an incident with a LOADED gun!

I hate hate what the world has become for kids.

My DC is at college. DC said they have active shooter alarm drills, and sometimes, it catches them off guard, and it freaks them out.

So sad that they have to go through this.

There is no safe place in the US: not churches, not even the Capitol building. So sad for my children.

You could always move to another country if you think things would be better there. Which country do you think is a better place to raise kids as a foreigner?

Or did you just want a chance to bash the US?

My spouse is from the UK, and we were over there in the summer with our kids. It's nice to not have to worry about random shootings. We sit outside, go to museums, to the theatre, never once does the thought of a shooter cross our minds. Our kids said they would think about moving to the UK when they have kids so that they don't have to go through school shooting drills.

We have a lot of assets tied to the US right now, so it's not that easy to move, plus DC#2 is still in school. But, we are thinking long term maybe retiring to the UK.

Also, yes, other countries have violent attacks, but they don't usually have mass shooters which kill more people than someone with a knife.

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Anonymous wrote:People are scared. Even a W school recently had an incident with a LOADED gun!

I hate hate what the world has become for kids.

My DC is at college. DC said they have active shooter alarm drills, and sometimes, it catches them off guard, and it freaks them out.

So sad that they have to go through this.

There is no safe place in the US: not churches, not even the Capitol building. So sad for my children.

You could always move to another country if you think things would be better there. Which country do you think is a better place to raise kids as a foreigner?

Or did you just want a chance to bash the US?

good heavens, a "America, love it or leave it!" person in 2023.

Good heavens no.

The PP says she hates what the world has become, but then goes on to disparage the US specifically. I have family all over the world and the mom of 2 non-White daughters, I will argue that things are not better elsewhere.

But I am interested in knowing where the PP would prefer to raise her kids.

I'm not the PP, but I certainly would have preferred to raise my kids in a country where kids don't have active-shooter drills in schools.

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Anonymous wrote:People are scared. Even a W school recently had an incident with a LOADED gun!

I hate hate what the world has become for kids.

My DC is at college. DC said they have active shooter alarm drills, and sometimes, it catches them off guard, and it freaks them out.

So sad that they have to go through this.

There is no safe place in the US: not churches, not even the Capitol building. So sad for my children.

You could always move to another country if you think things would be better there. Which country do you think is a better place to raise kids as a foreigner?

Or did you just want a chance to bash the US?

good heavens, a "America, love it or leave it!" person in 2023.

Good heavens no.

The PP says she hates what the world has become, but then goes on to disparage the US specifically. I have family all over the world and the mom of 2 non-White daughters, I will argue that things are not better elsewhere.

But I am interested in knowing where the PP would prefer to raise her kids.

DP...Iceland, Finland, Norway, Denmark,Switzerland, France...should I continue? The United States is absolutely not the best place in the world anymore....not by a long shot.

Oh, I get it. You prefer more homogeneous societies. Guess that mantra of ‘diversity is our greatest strength’ turns out to be just words. Huh.

And France, lol. That’s rich. France has just as many issues as we do here in the US. Maybe more.

Correlation vs causation. Are they safer because of all the white people? Most of the mass school shooters in the US have been white males. The difference is that it's much more easier to buy guns in the US than in those countries.

France has issues, as does every country, but they don't have several mass shooting incidents like we do in the US.

How can you be so blase about the incidence of mass shootings here? Do you even have kids in school? Do you think it's fine that our kids go through school shooting drills? I never had to go through such drills growing up. It's incredibly sad that our kids now do.

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Anonymous wrote:PP here. But aren't most of the folks on this thread on the top side of the achievement gap and part of the wealthy? That's what it reads based on most of the previous comments.

Not the PP, but the other thing you are missing is that your kids are very young if they are still receiving Ps. Even at my kids' mixed income DCC-feeder elementary school, the real behavior issues weren't apparent until about 4th grade. When hormones kick in, and accumulated trauma starts to manifest, you can get some pretty extreme behaviors.

In the past, there were paths for motivated and well-behaved kids to avoid those children, as the "Honors" classes began in middle school. Now, "Honors" doesn't really begin until 11th grade for any subject other than math, which means that every single class is fully heterogenous. That includes not just kids with behavioral issues, but kids whose educational experience pre-MCPS was either disrupted or nonexistent.

By getting rid of Honors classes, dismantling METS (the program that used to serve kids with disrupted educations), and functionally eliminating the ability of teachers to impose consequences, MCPS has forced every kid into classrooms with highly disruptive and sometimes violent kids.

No one is winning here. Kids who are well prepared are getting frustrated, but kids who were goat herds until six months ago are also not being served. It is a lose-lose.

OMG. I did not realize MCPS had done this, so thank you for explaining.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame them one bit. My family fled Central America in the early 80s looking for a better life, fleeing the civil war, gangs.and guerilla.

My parents instilled in me a strong value for education, we are a hard-working, law abiding and no nonsense family.

The problems, and frankly the people, who I’m seeing in our county now are the exact people and the exact circumstances that my family fled from. I’m sure this is an unpopular opinion and definitely not politically correct to say but I don’t care because my family lived and fled this in central America and now reliving it again here in Montgomery county.

This is horrible. Thank you for posting.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame them one bit. My family fled Central America in the early 80s looking for a better life, fleeing the civil war, gangs.and guerilla.

My parents instilled in me a strong value for education, we are a hard-working, law abiding and no nonsense family.

The problems, and frankly the people, who I’m seeing in our county now are the exact people and the exact circumstances that my family fled from. I’m sure this is an unpopular opinion and definitely not politically correct to say but I don’t care because my family lived and fled this in central America and now reliving it again here in Montgomery county.

This is horrible. Thank you for posting.

I also really enjoy amateur fiction.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.

Go to any DCC high school. Those kids are on phones all day all the time.

You've been to every single DCC high school and walked in every single classroom? Wow!

Obviously that's wrong or just made up. They're confiscated at our DCC school too.

Which school confiscates phones? I'm asking this seriously- our middle school does not enforce cell phone rules at all and I want different for HS. It's such a distraction even when your kids are following the rules.

Ours does (in clarksburg). First offense in a quarter you lose it until the end of day. Second time, your parents are notified. Third time, a parent has to come to school to get it.

That is what they tell you the policy is. In actuality, if a teacher tries to confiscate a phone, the teacher is accused of not having a good relationship with their students. The teacher is told that the teacher is the problem. As a result, teachers try to do the best they can, but do not confiscate phones.

One admin was heard explaining that everyone is addicted to their phone. That teachers need to work around it. This is after the administrator admitted being addicted to the phone too and that it is not a big deal to check messages in the middle of a conversation with staff.

Unbelievable. The administrators in MCPS are a huge problem.

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Anonymous wrote:People are scared. Even a W school recently had an incident with a LOADED gun!

I hate hate what the world has become for kids.

My DC is at college. DC said they have active shooter alarm drills, and sometimes, it catches them off guard, and it freaks them out.

So sad that they have to go through this.

There is no safe place in the US: not churches, not even the Capitol building. So sad for my children.

You could always move to another country if you think things would be better there. Which country do you think is a better place to raise kids as a foreigner?

Or did you just want a chance to bash the US?

good heavens, a "America, love it or leave it!" person in 2023.

Good heavens no.

The PP says she hates what the world has become, but then goes on to disparage the US specifically. I have family all over the world and the mom of 2 non-White daughters, I will argue that things are not better elsewhere.

But I am interested in knowing where the PP would prefer to raise her kids.

DP...Iceland, Finland, Norway, Denmark,Switzerland, France...should I continue? The United States is absolutely not the best place in the world anymore....not by a long shot.

Oh, I get it. You prefer more homogeneous societies. Guess that mantra of ‘diversity is our greatest strength’ turns out to be just words. Huh.

And France, lol. That’s rich. France has just as many issues as we do here in the US. Maybe more.

You're a moron. No. I don't want homogeneous societies. You asked point blank which other countries are better. That question was answered for you. The only one you commented negatively about which isn't "homogeneous" is France. Funny how that works. You sound like you're the one with the problem. And yes, I'd much rather raise my kid in France. I cannot believe someone actually still thinks the US is the best country in the world.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.

The U.S. "relies on immigrant labor" but then does not invest in men who do not work in the United States (who resort to welfare or crime to survive) and we also don't automate jobs that have been automated elsewhere (like meat packing). This policy decision, funded by the Chamber of Commerce, is having a terrible impact on education in both MoCo and the entire country.

The Chamber of Commerce, a far-right extension of the GOP, is to blame. Their unquenchable greed for profits without conscience is the root of the problem that drives and perpetuates illegal immigration.

Guess who else is lobbying for illegal immigration - tech magnates and George Soros, along with all of your young voters who have been educated to believe that borders are evil. None of these are Republican...

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Anonymous wrote:People are scared. Even a W school recently had an incident with a LOADED gun!

I hate hate what the world has become for kids.

My DC is at college. DC said they have active shooter alarm drills, and sometimes, it catches them off guard, and it freaks them out.

So sad that they have to go through this.

There is no safe place in the US: not churches, not even the Capitol building. So sad for my children.

You could always move to another country if you think things would be better there. Which country do you think is a better place to raise kids as a foreigner?

Or did you just want a chance to bash the US?

good heavens, a "America, love it or leave it!" person in 2023.

Good heavens no.

The PP says she hates what the world has become, but then goes on to disparage the US specifically. I have family all over the world and the mom of 2 non-White daughters, I will argue that things are not better elsewhere.

But I am interested in knowing where the PP would prefer to raise her kids.

Another pp who agrees with her. I’ll reply. I’d prefer to raise kids in Canada, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, and / or Chile.

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Anonymous wrote:People are scared. Even a W school recently had an incident with a LOADED gun!

I hate hate what the world has become for kids.

My DC is at college. DC said they have active shooter alarm drills, and sometimes, it catches them off guard, and it freaks them out.

So sad that they have to go through this.

There is no safe place in the US: not churches, not even the Capitol building. So sad for my children.

You could always move to another country if you think things would be better there. Which country do you think is a better place to raise kids as a foreigner?

Or did you just want a chance to bash the US?

good heavens, a "America, love it or leave it!" person in 2023.

Good heavens no.

The PP says she hates what the world has become, but then goes on to disparage the US specifically. I have family all over the world and the mom of 2 non-White daughters, I will argue that things are not better elsewhere.

But I am interested in knowing where the PP would prefer to raise her kids.

DP...Iceland, Finland, Norway, Denmark,Switzerland, France...should I continue? The United States is absolutely not the best place in the world anymore....not by a long shot.

Oh, I get it. You prefer more homogeneous societies. Guess that mantra of ‘diversity is our greatest strength’ turns out to be just words. Huh.

And France, lol. That’s rich. France has just as many issues as we do here in the US. Maybe more.

In what way? Their kids are not all on drugs and they do not worry about mass shootings!

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.

The U.S. "relies on immigrant labor" but then does not invest in men who do not work in the United States (who resort to welfare or crime to survive) and we also don't automate jobs that have been automated elsewhere (like meat packing). This policy decision, funded by the Chamber of Commerce, is having a terrible impact on education in both MoCo and the entire country.

The Chamber of Commerce, a far-right extension of the GOP, is to blame. Their unquenchable greed for profits without conscience is the root of the problem that drives and perpetuates illegal immigration.

Guess who else is lobbying for illegal immigration - tech magnates and George Soros, along with all of your young voters who have been educated to believe that borders are evil. None of these are Republican...

Goerge Soros! LOL okay Q

[Anonymous]

a classic "close the door behind you" kind of immigrants, very toxic...

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t blame them one bit. My family fled Central America in the early 80s looking for a better life, fleeing the civil war, gangs.and guerilla.

My parents instilled in me a strong value for education, we are a hard-working, law abiding and no nonsense family.

The problems, and frankly the people, who I’m seeing in our county now are the exact people and the exact circumstances that my family fled from. I’m sure this is an unpopular opinion and definitely not politically correct to say but I don’t care because my family lived and fled this in central America and now reliving it again here in Montgomery county.

This is horrible. Thank you for posting.