Rigor at TJ compared to regular FCPS high Schools

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Anonymous wrote:You cannot compare the no. 1 ranked high school in the country with a university not even in the top 20.

Why would MIT grad dream of going on to grad school in CS at UVA? Non-sense. In-state tuition is the only thing attracting few TJ kids who do apply. Getting really sick of UVA non-sense from all the UVA morons.

All they know how to do is attack other schools and mock them so immature and insecure bunch of aholes.


Non-sense? TJ is not even the No.1 ranked high school in the country.
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Anonymous wrote:Parent of TJ student here. UVA has become a stretch for TJ students also. UVA requires a 4.4 and above GPA. Getting that high a GPA at TJ is VERY HARD. Only top 25% are able to hit that GPA

(avg GPA at TJ is 3.8 to 4.2)


This is true. UVA and VT do not care about the rigor of TJ, they only care about higher GPA. So if UVA or VT is your 1st choice, don't come to TJ, stay at your base school and get unweighted 4.0 GPA. So many high performing kids from TJ were rejected outright at UVA and VT last year because of their unweighted GPA that is not 4.0.


Literally no part of this post is true.

Here's the reality of the relationship between TJ and UVA:

Back in the earlier days of TJ, it was a reasonable expectation of most kids that they could rely on getting into UVA as long as they were somewhat successful in high school and didn't have any glaring red flags on their transcript - like a B- or a C in a full-year class or a complete lack of any AP heft. There were years when TJ sent over 130 students to UVA in one class of less than 400 graduates.

As years went by, that began to change because 1) UVA, like most schools, started receiving more and more applications from higher caliber of students and 2) UVA has always valued well-roundedness in its applicants and under the leadership of Dr. Glazer, TJ students by design became significantly less well-rounded and therefore less interesting to UVA. That's when you started to see TJ kids with objectively strong but fairly one-dimensional resumes getting turned down while students with perhaps lesser GPAs and board scores - even of the same demographic - would be admitted.

Nowadays, it is a significant accomplishment for a TJ student to get into UVA, not because UVA has changed for the better, but because for many years TJ changed for the worse.


This. Except for the top 10-20% of TJ students, the rest are good at memorizing and regurgitating on paper.
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Anonymous wrote:Parent of TJ student here. UVA has become a stretch for TJ students also. UVA requires a 4.4 and above GPA. Getting that high a GPA at TJ is VERY HARD. Only top 25% are able to hit that GPA

(avg GPA at TJ is 3.8 to 4.2)


This is true. UVA and VT do not care about the rigor of TJ, they only care about higher GPA. So if UVA or VT is your 1st choice, don't come to TJ, stay at your base school and get unweighted 4.0 GPA. So many high performing kids from TJ were rejected outright at UVA and VT last year because of their unweighted GPA that is not 4.0.


Literally no part of this post is true.

Here's the reality of the relationship between TJ and UVA:

Back in the earlier days of TJ, it was a reasonable expectation of most kids that they could rely on getting into UVA as long as they were somewhat successful in high school and didn't have any glaring red flags on their transcript - like a B- or a C in a full-year class or a complete lack of any AP heft. There were years when TJ sent over 130 students to UVA in one class of less than 400 graduates.

As years went by, that began to change because 1) UVA, like most schools, started receiving more and more applications from higher caliber of students and 2) UVA has always valued well-roundedness in its applicants and under the leadership of Dr. Glazer, TJ students by design became significantly less well-rounded and therefore less interesting to UVA. That's when you started to see TJ kids with objectively strong but fairly one-dimensional resumes getting turned down while students with perhaps lesser GPAs and board scores - even of the same demographic - would be admitted.

Nowadays, it is a significant accomplishment for a TJ student to get into UVA, not because UVA has changed for the better, but because for many years TJ changed for the worse.


This. Except for the top 10-20% of TJ students, the rest are good at memorizing and regurgitating on paper.


Radical change in admissions system will do that.
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Anonymous wrote:Parent of TJ student here. UVA has become a stretch for TJ students also. UVA requires a 4.4 and above GPA. Getting that high a GPA at TJ is VERY HARD. Only top 25% are able to hit that GPA

(avg GPA at TJ is 3.8 to 4.2)


This is true. UVA and VT do not care about the rigor of TJ, they only care about higher GPA. So if UVA or VT is your 1st choice, don't come to TJ, stay at your base school and get unweighted 4.0 GPA. So many high performing kids from TJ were rejected outright at UVA and VT last year because of their unweighted GPA that is not 4.0.


Literally no part of this post is true.

Here's the reality of the relationship between TJ and UVA:

Back in the earlier days of TJ, it was a reasonable expectation of most kids that they could rely on getting into UVA as long as they were somewhat successful in high school and didn't have any glaring red flags on their transcript - like a B- or a C in a full-year class or a complete lack of any AP heft. There were years when TJ sent over 130 students to UVA in one class of less than 400 graduates.

As years went by, that began to change because 1) UVA, like most schools, started receiving more and more applications from higher caliber of students and 2) UVA has always valued well-roundedness in its applicants and under the leadership of Dr. Glazer, TJ students by design became significantly less well-rounded and therefore less interesting to UVA. That's when you started to see TJ kids with objectively strong but fairly one-dimensional resumes getting turned down while students with perhaps lesser GPAs and board scores - even of the same demographic - would be admitted.

Nowadays, it is a significant accomplishment for a TJ student to get into UVA, not because UVA has changed for the better, but because for many years TJ changed for the worse.


This. Except for the top 10-20% of TJ students, the rest are good at memorizing and regurgitating on paper.


Radical change in admissions system will do that.


DP. I realize you can't help yourself but what PP was referring to were students admitted under the previous admissions system. I don't know if they're correct but they are implying that the new admissions process will fix a big problem at TJ. Maybe it will create another, that remains to be seen, but it will correct that problem.
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Anonymous wrote:Parent of TJ student here. UVA has become a stretch for TJ students also. UVA requires a 4.4 and above GPA. Getting that high a GPA at TJ is VERY HARD. Only top 25% are able to hit that GPA

(avg GPA at TJ is 3.8 to 4.2)


This is true. UVA and VT do not care about the rigor of TJ, they only care about higher GPA. So if UVA or VT is your 1st choice, don't come to TJ, stay at your base school and get unweighted 4.0 GPA. So many high performing kids from TJ were rejected outright at UVA and VT last year because of their unweighted GPA that is not 4.0.


Literally no part of this post is true.

Here's the reality of the relationship between TJ and UVA:

Back in the earlier days of TJ, it was a reasonable expectation of most kids that they could rely on getting into UVA as long as they were somewhat successful in high school and didn't have any glaring red flags on their transcript - like a B- or a C in a full-year class or a complete lack of any AP heft. There were years when TJ sent over 130 students to UVA in one class of less than 400 graduates.

As years went by, that began to change because 1) UVA, like most schools, started receiving more and more applications from higher caliber of students and 2) UVA has always valued well-roundedness in its applicants and under the leadership of Dr. Glazer, TJ students by design became significantly less well-rounded and therefore less interesting to UVA. That's when you started to see TJ kids with objectively strong but fairly one-dimensional resumes getting turned down while students with perhaps lesser GPAs and board scores - even of the same demographic - would be admitted.

Nowadays, it is a significant accomplishment for a TJ student to get into UVA, not because UVA has changed for the better, but because for many years TJ changed for the worse.


This. Except for the top 10-20% of TJ students, the rest are good at memorizing and regurgitating on paper.


Radical change in admissions system will do that.


DP. I realize you can't help yourself but what PP was referring to were students admitted under the previous admissions system. I don't know if they're correct but they are implying that the new admissions process will fix a big problem at TJ. Maybe it will create another, that remains to be seen, but it will correct that problem.


75% of the students were admitted under the NEW system so the vast majority of the students were admitted under the radically changed system.
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Anonymous wrote:Parent of TJ student here. UVA has become a stretch for TJ students also. UVA requires a 4.4 and above GPA. Getting that high a GPA at TJ is VERY HARD. Only top 25% are able to hit that GPA

(avg GPA at TJ is 3.8 to 4.2)


This is true. UVA and VT do not care about the rigor of TJ, they only care about higher GPA. So if UVA or VT is your 1st choice, don't come to TJ, stay at your base school and get unweighted 4.0 GPA. So many high performing kids from TJ were rejected outright at UVA and VT last year because of their unweighted GPA that is not 4.0.


Literally no part of this post is true.

Here's the reality of the relationship between TJ and UVA:

Back in the earlier days of TJ, it was a reasonable expectation of most kids that they could rely on getting into UVA as long as they were somewhat successful in high school and didn't have any glaring red flags on their transcript - like a B- or a C in a full-year class or a complete lack of any AP heft. There were years when TJ sent over 130 students to UVA in one class of less than 400 graduates.

As years went by, that began to change because 1) UVA, like most schools, started receiving more and more applications from higher caliber of students and 2) UVA has always valued well-roundedness in its applicants and under the leadership of Dr. Glazer, TJ students by design became significantly less well-rounded and therefore less interesting to UVA. That's when you started to see TJ kids with objectively strong but fairly one-dimensional resumes getting turned down while students with perhaps lesser GPAs and board scores - even of the same demographic - would be admitted.

Nowadays, it is a significant accomplishment for a TJ student to get into UVA, not because UVA has changed for the better, but because for many years TJ changed for the worse.


This. Except for the top 10-20% of TJ students, the rest are good at memorizing and regurgitating on paper.


Radical change in admissions system will do that.


DP. I realize you can't help yourself but what PP was referring to were students admitted under the previous admissions system. I don't know if they're correct but they are implying that the new admissions process will fix a big problem at TJ. Maybe it will create another, that remains to be seen, but it will correct that problem.


75% of the students were admitted under the NEW system so the vast majority of the students were admitted under the radically changed system.


Reread the post. Or not, just continue to babble away. You're only talking to yourself anyway.
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Anonymous wrote:Parent of TJ student here. UVA has become a stretch for TJ students also. UVA requires a 4.4 and above GPA. Getting that high a GPA at TJ is VERY HARD. Only top 25% are able to hit that GPA

(avg GPA at TJ is 3.8 to 4.2)


This is true. UVA and VT do not care about the rigor of TJ, they only care about higher GPA. So if UVA or VT is your 1st choice, don't come to TJ, stay at your base school and get unweighted 4.0 GPA. So many high performing kids from TJ were rejected outright at UVA and VT last year because of their unweighted GPA that is not 4.0.


Literally no part of this post is true.

Here's the reality of the relationship between TJ and UVA:

Back in the earlier days of TJ, it was a reasonable expectation of most kids that they could rely on getting into UVA as long as they were somewhat successful in high school and didn't have any glaring red flags on their transcript - like a B- or a C in a full-year class or a complete lack of any AP heft. There were years when TJ sent over 130 students to UVA in one class of less than 400 graduates.

As years went by, that began to change because 1) UVA, like most schools, started receiving more and more applications from higher caliber of students and 2) UVA has always valued well-roundedness in its applicants and under the leadership of Dr. Glazer, TJ students by design became significantly less well-rounded and therefore less interesting to UVA. That's when you started to see TJ kids with objectively strong but fairly one-dimensional resumes getting turned down while students with perhaps lesser GPAs and board scores - even of the same demographic - would be admitted.

Nowadays, it is a significant accomplishment for a TJ student to get into UVA, not because UVA has changed for the better, but because for many years TJ changed for the worse.


This. Except for the top 10-20% of TJ students, the rest are good at memorizing and regurgitating on paper.


Radical change in admissions system will do that.


DP. I realize you can't help yourself but what PP was referring to were students admitted under the previous admissions system. I don't know if they're correct but they are implying that the new admissions process will fix a big problem at TJ. Maybe it will create another, that remains to be seen, but it will correct that problem.


75% of the students were admitted under the NEW system so the vast majority of the students were admitted under the radically changed system.


Yes, and none of them have applied to college yet. Obviously.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:You cannot compare the no. 1 ranked high school in the country with a university not even in the top 20.

Why would MIT grad dream of going on to grad school in CS at UVA? Non-sense. In-state tuition is the only thing attracting few TJ kids who do apply. Getting really sick of UVA non-sense from all the UVA morons.

All they know how to do is attack other schools and mock them so immature and insecure bunch of aholes.


Regardless of what the reasons are for why they apply, they do apply in large numbers. At least 200 TJ students apply to UVA every year. And sure, some do turn down their offers of admission, but the bottom line is they get admitted at a far lower rate than they did previously.

In the 90s and 2000s, the group of TJ students going to UVA mostly came from the 25th-65th percentile of the senior class. Nowadays it's more like the 10th-30th.
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Anonymous wrote:Parent of TJ student here. UVA has become a stretch for TJ students also. UVA requires a 4.4 and above GPA. Getting that high a GPA at TJ is VERY HARD. Only top 25% are able to hit that GPA

(avg GPA at TJ is 3.8 to 4.2)


This is true. UVA and VT do not care about the rigor of TJ, they only care about higher GPA. So if UVA or VT is your 1st choice, don't come to TJ, stay at your base school and get unweighted 4.0 GPA. So many high performing kids from TJ were rejected outright at UVA and VT last year because of their unweighted GPA that is not 4.0.


Literally no part of this post is true.

Here's the reality of the relationship between TJ and UVA:

Back in the earlier days of TJ, it was a reasonable expectation of most kids that they could rely on getting into UVA as long as they were somewhat successful in high school and didn't have any glaring red flags on their transcript - like a B- or a C in a full-year class or a complete lack of any AP heft. There were years when TJ sent over 130 students to UVA in one class of less than 400 graduates.

As years went by, that began to change because 1) UVA, like most schools, started receiving more and more applications from higher caliber of students and 2) UVA has always valued well-roundedness in its applicants and under the leadership of Dr. Glazer, TJ students by design became significantly less well-rounded and therefore less interesting to UVA. That's when you started to see TJ kids with objectively strong but fairly one-dimensional resumes getting turned down while students with perhaps lesser GPAs and board scores - even of the same demographic - would be admitted.

Nowadays, it is a significant accomplishment for a TJ student to get into UVA, not because UVA has changed for the better, but because for many years TJ changed for the worse.


This. Except for the top 10-20% of TJ students, the rest are good at memorizing and regurgitating on paper.


Radical change in admissions system will do that.


I'd expect the changes to result in better college outcomes in the next few years in addition to having reduced TJ's toxicity.
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Anonymous wrote:You cannot compare the no. 1 ranked high school in the country with a university not even in the top 20.

Why would MIT grad dream of going on to grad school in CS at UVA? Non-sense. In-state tuition is the only thing attracting few TJ kids who do apply. Getting really sick of UVA non-sense from all the UVA morons.

All they know how to do is attack other schools and mock them so immature and insecure bunch of aholes.


Regardless of what the reasons are for why they apply, they do apply in large numbers. At least 200 TJ students apply to UVA every year. And sure, some do turn down their offers of admission, but the bottom line is they get admitted at a far lower rate than they did previously.

In the 90s and 2000s, the group of TJ students going to UVA mostly came from the 25th-65th percentile of the senior class. Nowadays it's more like the 10th-30th.


It's kind of sad how TJ has declined these past few decades.
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Anonymous wrote:You cannot compare the no. 1 ranked high school in the country with a university not even in the top 20.

Why would MIT grad dream of going on to grad school in CS at UVA? Non-sense. In-state tuition is the only thing attracting few TJ kids who do apply. Getting really sick of UVA non-sense from all the UVA morons.

All they know how to do is attack other schools and mock them so immature and insecure bunch of aholes.


Regardless of what the reasons are for why they apply, they do apply in large numbers. At least 200 TJ students apply to UVA every year. And sure, some do turn down their offers of admission, but the bottom line is they get admitted at a far lower rate than they did previously.

In the 90s and 2000s, the group of TJ students going to UVA mostly came from the 25th-65th percentile of the senior class. Nowadays it's more like the 10th-30th.


It's kind of sad how TJ has declined these past few decades.


what else can we expect other than continued decline when students are being admitted based on five line essay writing ability than their indepth middle school mastery of math, science and english language.
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Anonymous wrote:You cannot compare the no. 1 ranked high school in the country with a university not even in the top 20.

Why would MIT grad dream of going on to grad school in CS at UVA? Non-sense. In-state tuition is the only thing attracting few TJ kids who do apply. Getting really sick of UVA non-sense from all the UVA morons.

All they know how to do is attack other schools and mock them so immature and insecure bunch of aholes.


Regardless of what the reasons are for why they apply, they do apply in large numbers. At least 200 TJ students apply to UVA every year. And sure, some do turn down their offers of admission, but the bottom line is they get admitted at a far lower rate than they did previously.

In the 90s and 2000s, the group of TJ students going to UVA mostly came from the 25th-65th percentile of the senior class. Nowadays it's more like the 10th-30th.


It's kind of sad how TJ has declined these past few decades.


what else can we expect other than continued decline when students are being admitted based on five line essay writing ability than their indepth middle school mastery of math, science and english language.


Actually, quality has gone up since the latest admission changes. It was the previous two decades that oversaw the decline.
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Anonymous wrote:You cannot compare the no. 1 ranked high school in the country with a university not even in the top 20.

Why would MIT grad dream of going on to grad school in CS at UVA? Non-sense. In-state tuition is the only thing attracting few TJ kids who do apply. Getting really sick of UVA non-sense from all the UVA morons.

All they know how to do is attack other schools and mock them so immature and insecure bunch of aholes.


Regardless of what the reasons are for why they apply, they do apply in large numbers. At least 200 TJ students apply to UVA every year. And sure, some do turn down their offers of admission, but the bottom line is they get admitted at a far lower rate than they did previously.

In the 90s and 2000s, the group of TJ students going to UVA mostly came from the 25th-65th percentile of the senior class. Nowadays it's more like the 10th-30th.


It's kind of sad how TJ has declined these past few decades.


what else can we expect other than continued decline when students are being admitted based on five line essay writing ability than their indepth middle school mastery of math, science and english language.


Actually, quality has gone up since the latest admission changes. It was the previous two decades that oversaw the decline.


Ackshually you have no real basis for that statement. Anything else to pull out of your ass tonight?
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Anonymous wrote:You cannot compare the no. 1 ranked high school in the country with a university not even in the top 20.

Why would MIT grad dream of going on to grad school in CS at UVA? Non-sense. In-state tuition is the only thing attracting few TJ kids who do apply. Getting really sick of UVA non-sense from all the UVA morons.

All they know how to do is attack other schools and mock them so immature and insecure bunch of aholes.


Regardless of what the reasons are for why they apply, they do apply in large numbers. At least 200 TJ students apply to UVA every year. And sure, some do turn down their offers of admission, but the bottom line is they get admitted at a far lower rate than they did previously.

In the 90s and 2000s, the group of TJ students going to UVA mostly came from the 25th-65th percentile of the senior class. Nowadays it's more like the 10th-30th.


It's kind of sad how TJ has declined these past few decades.


what else can we expect other than continued decline when students are being admitted based on five line essay writing ability than their indepth middle school mastery of math, science and english language.


Actually, quality has gone up since the latest admission changes. It was the previous two decades that oversaw the decline.


This should also manifest in better college outcomes and the restoration of TJ to the number one high school in America as students admitted under the old system age out.
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Anonymous wrote:You cannot compare the no. 1 ranked high school in the country with a university not even in the top 20.

Why would MIT grad dream of going on to grad school in CS at UVA? Non-sense. In-state tuition is the only thing attracting few TJ kids who do apply. Getting really sick of UVA non-sense from all the UVA morons.

All they know how to do is attack other schools and mock them so immature and insecure bunch of aholes.


Regardless of what the reasons are for why they apply, they do apply in large numbers. At least 200 TJ students apply to UVA every year. And sure, some do turn down their offers of admission, but the bottom line is they get admitted at a far lower rate than they did previously.

In the 90s and 2000s, the group of TJ students going to UVA mostly came from the 25th-65th percentile of the senior class. Nowadays it's more like the 10th-30th.


It's kind of sad how TJ has declined these past few decades.


what else can we expect other than continued decline when students are being admitted based on five line essay writing ability than their indepth middle school mastery of math, science and english language.


Actually, quality has gone up since the latest admission changes. It was the previous two decades that oversaw the decline.


This should also manifest in better college outcomes and the restoration of TJ to the number one high school in America as students admitted under the old system age out.


The quality of kids at TJ has clearly gone down since the admissions changes. I have a kid in one of the new classes who probably wouldn’t have gotten in under the old system. Top TJ teachers are quitting left and right. Apparently they are being asked to lower the rigor of classes and go easier on grading.

Better college outcomes? That is to be seen. I think if there are better outcomes the demographic of the students admitted from TJ should be examined and their corresponding academic record. Although the Supreme Court ruled against AA, race is still going to be used (just look at the college essay prompts) along with focus on the relatively new institutional priorities (low income / first generation).
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