APS DHMS walk zone nuclear option

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thing.

The obvious solution is the one proposed in 2015 - put Dorothy Hamm MS at Rosslyn and move HBW back to their old home on Vacation Lane. Then kids who live near Vacation Lane can be bused to Williamsburg like they were in the good old days, or they can be be bused to the fancy new building in Rosslyn.

Not so obvious. After building/renovations, neither school building is appropriate for the population of the other.

+1

The other poster has no idea what they are talking about. That ship sailed when they designed each building for each program. DH peeps will just have to suck it up and be bused oh what 1.5 miles to WMS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thing.

The obvious solution is the one proposed in 2015 - put Dorothy Hamm MS at Rosslyn and move HBW back to their old home on Vacation Lane. Then kids who live near Vacation Lane can be bused to Williamsburg like they were in the good old days, or they can be be bused to the fancy new building in Rosslyn.

Not so obvious. After building/renovations, neither school building is appropriate for the population of the other.

+1

The other poster has no idea what they are talking about. That ship sailed when they designed each building for each program. DH peeps will just have to suck it up and be bused oh what 1.5 miles to WMS.

Donaldson Run families several years ago: Don't send our snowflakes to Rosslyn. Make HB and Stratford programs take that yucky urban plot in Rosslyn.

DR families now: You mean there were downsides to us getting exactly what we asked for? Oh wait...

The rest of Arlington: You made your bed, lie in it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thing.

The obvious solution is the one proposed in 2015 - put Dorothy Hamm MS at Rosslyn and move HBW back to their old home on Vacation Lane. Then kids who live near Vacation Lane can be bused to Williamsburg like they were in the good old days, or they can be be bused to the fancy new building in Rosslyn.

Not so obvious. After building/renovations, neither school building is appropriate for the population of the other.

+1

The other poster has no idea what they are talking about. That ship sailed when they designed each building for each program. DH peeps will just have to suck it up and be bused oh what 1.5 miles to WMS.

Actually they should move middle and high school immersion to the Heights, and send HB students home since most of them come from NA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thing.

The obvious solution is the one proposed in 2015 - put Dorothy Hamm MS at Rosslyn and move HBW back to their old home on Vacation Lane. Then kids who live near Vacation Lane can be bused to Williamsburg like they were in the good old days, or they can be be bused to the fancy new building in Rosslyn.

Not so obvious. After building/renovations, neither school building is appropriate for the population of the other.

+1

The other poster has no idea what they are talking about. That ship sailed when they designed each building for each program. DH peeps will just have to suck it up and be bused oh what 1.5 miles to WMS.

Donaldson Run families several years ago: Don't send our snowflakes to Rosslyn. Make HB and Stratford programs take that yucky urban plot in Rosslyn.

DR families now: You mean there were downsides to us getting exactly what we asked for? Oh wait...

The rest of Arlington: You made your bed, lie in it

DR family. I am 1000% happier to go to WMS than to some half baked 1100 student MS on that sandlot in Rosslyn.

Stratford could have stayed at DHMS, why is it coupled with HBW? But yeah, option programs should go where there is capacity (which is why Immersion should just go to WMS, and we are very consistent)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thing.

The obvious solution is the one proposed in 2015 - put Dorothy Hamm MS at Rosslyn and move HBW back to their old home on Vacation Lane. Then kids who live near Vacation Lane can be bused to Williamsburg like they were in the good old days, or they can be be bused to the fancy new building in Rosslyn.

Not so obvious. After building/renovations, neither school building is appropriate for the population of the other.

+1

The other poster has no idea what they are talking about. That ship sailed when they designed each building for each program. DH peeps will just have to suck it up and be bused oh what 1.5 miles to WMS.

Donaldson Run families several years ago: Don't send our snowflakes to Rosslyn. Make HB and Stratford programs take that yucky urban plot in Rosslyn.

DR families now: You mean there were downsides to us getting exactly what we asked for? Oh wait...

The rest of Arlington: You made your bed, lie in it

I’m amazed at how bitter HBW parents are about moving. You already have a better school experience by nature of cohort and small school, why not have some grace?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a Taylor parent opposed to moving Hamm students to Williamsburg, please check out the new Thought Exchange on the APS Engage site. We are behind in getting our position out there - Ashlawn appears much more organized as does Barrett to a lesser extent.

What is Though Exchange? I’ve never heard of that in my years at APS.

Taylor parents have been gathering input here http://www.hammwalkers.org/

Can you post Thought Exchange there?

https://www.apsva.us/engage/thoughtexchange/

The petition is a great step but the Thought Exchange is going directly to APS on a daily basis. Plus it’s shiny and new so therefore loved by Syphax.

So will staff even consider the petition?

Doubtful. The main arguments as presented are walking is good and don’t split Taylor for MS. They already know walking is good but they want to bus the walkzones anyway. Plenty of other elementary schools split to 2 middle schools so that one isn’t compelling either. You need to present the alternate option that the most people will get behind. To me, that’s immersion to Williamsburg. The only people opposed are immersion people since it gives everyone else their current boundaries or close to them.

I don't have a bone in this fight but wouldn't moving immersion to WMS be less disruptive to the entire system because less boundaries would need to be changes, and isn't Kenmore a challenging site to bring more traffic into?

Yes. Immersion to Williamsburg is by far the least disruptive solution to everyone except people in the Immersion program. They say moving to Williamsburg would kill the program because of travel time and lack of native Spanish speakers up there. Is that true? Unknown.

I suspect that people who value the program would go anyway and people who were only in it because they were zoned to Gunston anyway might not. Of course, some of those zoned to Gunston anyway might welcome the chance to NOT go to Gunston, so hard to tell.

You're guessing and assuming about things new to you, but which much is already known in the system and by many other people. Immersion people (I'm not one) have a point that WMS could harm the program as is (i.e., needing native speakers). Will everyone disappear over night? No. Could Immersion be changed to forget about natives? Sure. But APS veterans know the value of keeping choice schools centrally located as win-win for programs, space use and budget reasons. Immersion currently has extra hurdle of needing natives, so throwing it to the border has even bigger effect. If in a few years time a WMS Immersion program is struggling, APS leaders would be rightfully pilloried for knowingly making it happen...even if they just claim they were listening to people like you who say "well just do it because it's least disruptive to me."

Look, you’re not going to attract more native speakers by moving the location, the end. They don’t want it, and it’s not because it’s too far away. They just don’t. By MS, I’m not sure that the 50/50 mix is as important anyway, and as we’ve discussed up thread, it’s not like Latinx kids can just jump in, they still have to pass the proficiency tests, and they largely can’t. It’s the WHITE parents in NA who argue that having a more central location would be better for them. Why are we twisting ourselves into pretzels for that? Just move it to WMS and they will be happy, and the white SA parents can decide if the trek is worth it or not.

The criteria here is about moving the program for the benefit of the system and NOT harming the program. That is completely different from your point about ATTRACT/grow/boost Immersion. If the latter were the lead consideration we'd be talking about building a K-8 academy at Walter Reed Community Center. Again, if APS made a move that reasonable people warned would knowingly harm a program, and then said program is harmed, they'd rightfully be criticized. Maybe even sued. Making white NA parents happy or deciding it's ok to give the shaft to SA families is also worthily of same response.

This doesn’t benefit the system. It make’s transportation more costly, makes the traffic along Carlin Springs exponentially worse, and causes almost every other MS to need major boundary shifts. It’s the most disruptive and least cost effective plan, for the benefit of like 300 current MS students, whose parents will complain but who’ll suck it up and stay no matter the location. It won’t “harm” immersion, just like moving Key didn’t, and I’d just love a lawsuit claiming that an optional program’s location is actionable. FFS.

[Anonymous]

Also, see relocation of ATS. Are they suddenly attracting fewer kids from zones farther afield? No. I don’t think this is a concern.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thing.

The obvious solution is the one proposed in 2015 - put Dorothy Hamm MS at Rosslyn and move HBW back to their old home on Vacation Lane. Then kids who live near Vacation Lane can be bused to Williamsburg like they were in the good old days, or they can be be bused to the fancy new building in Rosslyn.

Not so obvious. After building/renovations, neither school building is appropriate for the population of the other.

Please explain. HBW has middle schoolers. Are Dorothy Hamm middle schoolers physically different from HBW middleschoolers?

You're so uninformed that I don't have time to explain it all to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thing.

The obvious solution is the one proposed in 2015 - put Dorothy Hamm MS at Rosslyn and move HBW back to their old home on Vacation Lane. Then kids who live near Vacation Lane can be bused to Williamsburg like they were in the good old days, or they can be be bused to the fancy new building in Rosslyn.

Not so obvious. After building/renovations, neither school building is appropriate for the population of the other.

+1

The other poster has no idea what they are talking about. That ship sailed when they designed each building for each program. DH peeps will just have to suck it up and be bused oh what 1.5 miles to WMS.

Actually they should move middle and high school immersion to the Heights, and send HB students home since most of them come from NA

hb hater

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thing.

The obvious solution is the one proposed in 2015 - put Dorothy Hamm MS at Rosslyn and move HBW back to their old home on Vacation Lane. Then kids who live near Vacation Lane can be bused to Williamsburg like they were in the good old days, or they can be be bused to the fancy new building in Rosslyn.

Not so obvious. After building/renovations, neither school building is appropriate for the population of the other.

+1

The other poster has no idea what they are talking about. That ship sailed when they designed each building for each program. DH peeps will just have to suck it up and be bused oh what 1.5 miles to WMS.

Donaldson Run families several years ago: Don't send our snowflakes to Rosslyn. Make HB and Stratford programs take that yucky urban plot in Rosslyn.

DR families now: You mean there were downsides to us getting exactly what we asked for? Oh wait...

The rest of Arlington: You made your bed, lie in it

I’m amazed at how bitter HBW parents are about moving. You already have a better school experience by nature of cohort and small school, why not have some grace?

HB didn't want to move back when DR kicked it out because DR just had to have the Stratford campus. But now you want HB to move out of its new building because you changed your mind? And you think HB shouldn't mind? Umm, no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thing.

The obvious solution is the one proposed in 2015 - put Dorothy Hamm MS at Rosslyn and move HBW back to their old home on Vacation Lane. Then kids who live near Vacation Lane can be bused to Williamsburg like they were in the good old days, or they can be be bused to the fancy new building in Rosslyn.

Not so obvious. After building/renovations, neither school building is appropriate for the population of the other.

+1

The other poster has no idea what they are talking about. That ship sailed when they designed each building for each program. DH peeps will just have to suck it up and be bused oh what 1.5 miles to WMS.

Donaldson Run families several years ago: Don't send our snowflakes to Rosslyn. Make HB and Stratford programs take that yucky urban plot in Rosslyn.

DR families now: You mean there were downsides to us getting exactly what we asked for? Oh wait...

The rest of Arlington: You made your bed, lie in it

DR family. I am 1000% happier to go to WMS than to some half baked 1100 student MS on that sandlot in Rosslyn.

Stratford could have stayed at DHMS, why is it coupled with HBW? But yeah, option programs should go where there is capacity (which is why Immersion should just go to WMS, and we are very consistent)

Shriver students are medically vulnerable. Not good for them to be in a large middle school environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thing.

The obvious solution is the one proposed in 2015 - put Dorothy Hamm MS at Rosslyn and move HBW back to their old home on Vacation Lane. Then kids who live near Vacation Lane can be bused to Williamsburg like they were in the good old days, or they can be be bused to the fancy new building in Rosslyn.

Not so obvious. After building/renovations, neither school building is appropriate for the population of the other.

+1

The other poster has no idea what they are talking about. That ship sailed when they designed each building for each program. DH peeps will just have to suck it up and be bused oh what 1.5 miles to WMS.

Donaldson Run families several years ago: Don't send our snowflakes to Rosslyn. Make HB and Stratford programs take that yucky urban plot in Rosslyn.

DR families now: You mean there were downsides to us getting exactly what we asked for? Oh wait...

The rest of Arlington: You made your bed, lie in it

DR family. I am 1000% happier to go to WMS than to some half baked 1100 student MS on that sandlot in Rosslyn.

Stratford could have stayed at DHMS, why is it coupled with HBW? But yeah, option programs should go where there is capacity (which is why Immersion should just go to WMS, and we are very consistent)

Shriver students are medically vulnerable. Not good for them to be in a large middle school environment.

Plus Shriver is a 6-12 program so it's a better fit with HB. Would be weird for a 12th grade Shriver student to be in a middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thing.

The obvious solution is the one proposed in 2015 - put Dorothy Hamm MS at Rosslyn and move HBW back to their old home on Vacation Lane. Then kids who live near Vacation Lane can be bused to Williamsburg like they were in the good old days, or they can be be bused to the fancy new building in Rosslyn.

Not so obvious. After building/renovations, neither school building is appropriate for the population of the other.

+1

The other poster has no idea what they are talking about. That ship sailed when they designed each building for each program. DH peeps will just have to suck it up and be bused oh what 1.5 miles to WMS.

Donaldson Run families several years ago: Don't send our snowflakes to Rosslyn. Make HB and Stratford programs take that yucky urban plot in Rosslyn.

DR families now: You mean there were downsides to us getting exactly what we asked for? Oh wait...

The rest of Arlington: You made your bed, lie in it

+1

Not an HB parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thing.

The obvious solution is the one proposed in 2015 - put Dorothy Hamm MS at Rosslyn and move HBW back to their old home on Vacation Lane. Then kids who live near Vacation Lane can be bused to Williamsburg like they were in the good old days, or they can be be bused to the fancy new building in Rosslyn.

Not so obvious. After building/renovations, neither school building is appropriate for the population of the other.

+1

The other poster has no idea what they are talking about. That ship sailed when they designed each building for each program. DH peeps will just have to suck it up and be bused oh what 1.5 miles to WMS.

Donaldson Run families several years ago: Don't send our snowflakes to Rosslyn. Make HB and Stratford programs take that yucky urban plot in Rosslyn.

DR families now: You mean there were downsides to us getting exactly what we asked for? Oh wait...

The rest of Arlington: You made your bed, lie in it

I didn't even live in DR when the decisions for Hamm were being made. I have no idea what happened in that process. My oldest was a toddler then, I'm guessing. She will now be impacted by this rezoning. The people you are yelling at? They're no longer here. You can't hurt them. But thanks for being so bitter towards those of us who played no role in that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read the whole thing.

The obvious solution is the one proposed in 2015 - put Dorothy Hamm MS at Rosslyn and move HBW back to their old home on Vacation Lane. Then kids who live near Vacation Lane can be bused to Williamsburg like they were in the good old days, or they can be be bused to the fancy new building in Rosslyn.

They built out the Heights specifically for the Shriver program and now you just want to undo that? No. That's entirely inequitable.

Signed,

parent of a student with a disability

Shriver Program is independent of the HB program and can stay. It does NOT have to be forever associated with HBW. That was used as an excuse for HB to keep the program and building small.