DP. Oh please. We’re picking a side because there is a TON of evidence that Kate was a terrible mother to Collin (even in her own words!) and she opted to lock him up instead of letting his Dad take custody. Mady may be perfectly justified in disliking him but zero of what she has said excuses Kate’s documented behavior. |
Yeah. Behavior has to be really extreme and the first step would not be residential. |
I’m sure it’s all very complicated. But let’s not forget Kate put a 12 year old in an institution and supposedly made him sleep in a closet and zip tied him to a chair. |
poor, poor kid. let’s not forget that Kate bears the ultimate blame due to her decision to have eight children 2 years apart, which is per se consigning them to neglect and deprivation of love needed to nurture a child, as well as virtually guaranteeing developmental issues in the children due to prematurity. |
Kids don’t get sent away for 3 years with the kind of minor issues Collin has. The fact that Kate never visited and blocked his dad from taking custody or even knowing where he was strongly reinforces that Kate wanted to get rid of Collin. |
Right, they don't. So the obvious conclusion is there's more going on. Not that everyone is joining forces with Kate like family court, schools, CPS, mental health institutions, the other kids, just to be super mean to Collin. I mean, come on. Why would everyone do that? |
There is a great deal of naïveté being expressed here as to the whole issue of sending away kids to institutions.
Yes, kids have rights. But they cannot exercise them if they cannot access someone who will help them navigate the system. It is entirely plausible for a relatively normal kid with ADHD and some defiant behavior to end up in some kind of facility and staying there as long as the parent in control of their custody determines they should be there. Just ask Paris Hilton. Jon didn’t know Collin was institutionalized. Collin and his siblings are all apparently estranged from aunts, uncles, grandparents etc. If the facility is controlling his communications with the outside world, how was he supposed to reach out to anyone? The typical 11, 12, 13 year old is just not that resourceful and children who grow up under the watchful eye of a narcissistic abusive parent have much less agency than typical kids. It can take years to break out of those psychological bonds and many people just never do, they are domineered by a cruel parent their entire lives. We all know of such people. I think there are two kinds of people responding to this thread; people who have never really experienced toxic narcissism up close in a family or love relationship, and people who have - in particular people who have the firsthand experience of growing up with at least one narcissistic parent and being cast into a role in a narcissistic family model, as the scapegoat or the golden child or one of the flying monkeys. Scapegoat children are often painted by their narcissistic parent(s) as irredeemable and fundamentally unworthy of the gift of life the parent gave them. They will paint their scapegoat child that way to anyone who will lend an ear, and they will do so even in the face of clear evidence of the accomplishments and good character of the child. I have worked closely with people and been friends with people over many years and have had them say to me ‘any parent in their right mind would be thrilled to have such a child as you.’ But my parents were not in their right mind. Narcissistic parents never are. They are broken inside and fundamentally incapable of healthy parental love and nurture. Kate is certainly that. Whether Collin is broken or not remains to be seen. But if he is, it is nearly all down to serious attachment issues with a mother who readily admits that she could not stand him from the earliest. |
+1 to all of this. Well said. -- scapegoat of a narcissistic mother |
Actually, sometimes you do have to do that. None of us will ever know if that was the case here. |
I'm pretty sure Kate or Mady is on this thread. |
If that's the case then they must be responding to Collin himself. |
No. If the parent wants residential, the parent can get residential and behavior does NOT have to be "really extreme." The "troubled teen industry" is a multibillion dollar one, and in many of these centers... if you pay - they will take your kid regardless of issues (or lack thereof). This article does a great job explaining: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/10/11/opinion/teen-mental-health-care.html |
Kate is textbook how not to parent. Even her response to Colin’s interview is pure narcissism. She is attempting to create a false narrative on her kid who she hasn’t seen since he was 12. The whole thing was nuts including fighting to not let x parent him if she didn’t want to. My guess is that she didn’t want anyone to know about her abuse. The sister Mady is also grown to be like the mother. She has not seen her brother since he was 12 and yet she talks like she knows him. He has shown so much composure in interviews which is better than her. He had to sleep in a closet and then sent to an institution. Who does this?? How would you act if someone did this to you? What did Discovery allow this? They must have known Kate was abusive. If remember reading blind items where crew was concerned about her behavior. Can kids bedifficult but most normal people do not send their kids away and have zero contact. What a sad thing to do to your own kids. Also let’s remember Kate called the home in Pa theirs and then sold it and bought herself a property in NC. Kate is toxic and should not be allowed any more television shows. She has no relationship with any family and at some point it is her and not everyone else.
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Collin was never subject to a court order to be institutionalized. When Kate was finally forced to let Jon be a parent, he readily got Collin out and graduated from a mainstream HS. This is not a picture of a kid who needed to be sent away at 12. |
No, no good parent sends their 11-12 year away and never visits, and hides them from their other parent, then drops the custody battle when the truth is going to come out. |