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Anonymous wrote:He was probably just ADHD and defiant, but Kate being a controlling narcissist she needed a scapegoat for her family system to work and she couldn’t send him to Jon because that would blow her image. I suspect she calculated that in her fan base there would be sympathy for her and support for her taking the difficult step to send her special needs child to a residential facility so she could focus, poor single mom that she was, on the rest of the kids. And of course she didn’t advertise that she wasn’t visiting him or calling him or facilitating an ongoing relationship between him and his siblings - when all of those facts came out is when her fan base went *poof* and why she couldn’t shop another show concept to anyone. She is a vile person, truly.

I am not team Jon either, please don’t get me wrong. I think they are both shallow minded people to bring a litter of babies into the world in the first place, and it was despicable to make them commodities from birth and to violate their privacy their entire childhoods.

I expect we haven’t heard the end of Gosselin family dysfunction. Poor kids.

I suspect the show paid for the institution to keep the family image perfect.

And to avoid having to film Collin not participating. He said in the Vice interview that he no longer wanted to be filmed and then showed clips of him sitting sullenly and silently next to his brothers on a couch when being filmed by the crew. TLC I think are the absolute real villains in all this. The made easily over a hundred million dollars off this family. When you look at all the money the network made, the family got peanuts. Paying for residential treatment-around 80 to 100k a year would be worth it for the network to earn millions.

Try 200-300k.

Yep. And no insurance company would cover three years of that.

The school system would. Special education kids are placed at residential facilities due to behavior issues and it's paid for by the school district. I suspect that's what happened to Collin, because otherwise I don't know how Kate could have afforded it. Obviously the issues have to be pretty bad to qualify for residential.

You would need a diagnosis to get the services. ADHD alone would never cut it.

Yeah. Behavior has to be really extreme and the first step would not be residential.

No. If the parent wants residential, the parent can get residential and behavior does NOT have to be "really extreme." The "troubled teen industry" is a multibillion dollar one, and in many of these centers... if you pay - they will take your kid regardless of issues (or lack thereof). This article does a great job explaining: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/10/11/opinion/teen-mental-health-care.html

Yes I agree - if the parent can pay for it there are always “trouble teen” facilities available. I was talking about a residential placement paid for by the public school/state after its clear the child cannot be educated in a less restrictive setting.

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Anonymous wrote:Mady was my favorite kid when I watched the show. At this point, she’s a mini Kate and her statement shows that she will not stand for hate of any kind, except the kind she herself dishes out.

She really is Kate 2.0 which is not good for her at all.

Agree that her statement was not a good look. My guess is Kate used her to help dole out punishment and she is trying to rationalize. Kate is the true monster who literally had her kid sent away and didn’t even visit. I remember her saying they were not sure of his diagnosis. and my guess is there wasn’t some awful thing so she made stuff up. I feel bad for Colin but he has turned out okay. He is very mature in his interviews. Hannah is so sweet-I imagine it was hard for her to walk away and she is trying to bring everyone together.

That's a lot of guessing and assuming. Her message was clear. She and some of the siblings identify as LGBTQ+ and Collin has made hateful comments and been violent. If there's not a good look its for Collin. Has he denied it yet? Maybe that's who he is. Not a good look for him or his supporters.

Still lots questions, because none of them have seen him since he was 12, and they apparently haven't spoken since he was institutionalized. Is Mady referring to things he said at age 12? That seems a bit extreme. If this is more recent, how was he making the comments and threatening them if they are no contact? And why is Hannah ok with being around Collin if he was so violent to them all? Idk, the timeline is confusing. Also, let's not pretend Mady is perfect. The show is FULL of her beating on her siblings and being mean and hateful to them. Not just when she was little, but also during the later filmings of Kate+8 where she was a pre-teen/teen. She was awful.

Also, Jon's ex-girlfriend's kids are Black and one of them is gay. At some point, all of them were living together. Not sure if Collin still has a relationship with the kids, but he definitely does with Colleen. On his graduation IG post, he shouted Colleen out and she commented a very loving message back. Seems odd, if Collin is so racist and hateful, that Colleen would still want a relationship with him.

Nobody is pretending anyone is perfect. But Mady made some pretty damning allegations. If they aren't true they why isn't Collin speaking out and threatening to sue? And I think it's clear Mady isn't only talking about race so Colleen's support isn't necessarily relevant. People just seem to want to discount any evidence that challenges their preconceived notion of Kate = evil, Collin = sweet angel. There is a lot we probably don't know and the older the kids get the more we'll find out.

They are mother and child - not two equally situated parties. *Many* people on her have acknowledged that Collin likely had challenging behaviors. That doesn’t justify abuse. Unless someone can demonstrate to me that he is seriously dangerous or mentally ill, the facts still show that Kate purposefully got rid of him by sending him to long-term inpatient therapy that was all out of proportion with his condition- and then purposefully isolated him there by refusing to visit and keeping the child’s own father away. We have documented evidence of Kate rejecting and mistreating Collin from a young age. This was the culmination. Whatever supposed insults or fights he engaged in recently with Mady have nothing to do with this history.

You're not going to get someone's medical history as evidence. The family seems pretty tight lipped about what issues Collin has. He has been kicked out of schools, accepted into an institution, and accused of violence and hateful statements, those are also facts. If Kate was protecting the kids from him, it's hard to fault that. How many survivors of abuse wished their parents did that? We don't have the full story, but you're pretending that you somehow have all the facts from a scripted reality show.

You don’t protect your other kids by sending one child inappropriately to an institution, isolating him, and keeping him away from his other parent. Collin may have needed supports but Kate chose a harsh and ostracizing approach.

That it was inappropriate is an opinion, not a fact.

Kids don’t get sent away for 3 years with the kind of minor issues Collin has. The fact that Kate never visited and blocked his dad from taking custody or even knowing where he was strongly reinforces that Kate wanted to get rid of Collin.

Right, they don't. So the obvious conclusion is there's more going on. Not that everyone is joining forces with Kate like family court, schools, CPS, mental health institutions, the other kids, just to be super mean to Collin. I mean, come on. Why would everyone do that?

Collin was never subject to a court order to be institutionalized. When Kate was finally forced to let Jon be a parent, he readily got Collin out and graduated from a mainstream HS. This is not a picture of a kid who needed to be sent away at 12.

Whatever. Kate had full custody of the kids. Jon was an absentee dad. Also he was accused by Collin of beating him. Cops were called, investigation launched, nothing happened. Also like the claims Collin made against Kate. CYS notified, investigation launched, nothing happened. Seems like Collin is a troubled teen who likely tells lies. This isn't just a little ADHD.

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Anonymous wrote:Mady was my favorite kid when I watched the show. At this point, she’s a mini Kate and her statement shows that she will not stand for hate of any kind, except the kind she herself dishes out.

She really is Kate 2.0 which is not good for her at all.

Agree that her statement was not a good look. My guess is Kate used her to help dole out punishment and she is trying to rationalize. Kate is the true monster who literally had her kid sent away and didn’t even visit. I remember her saying they were not sure of his diagnosis. and my guess is there wasn’t some awful thing so she made stuff up. I feel bad for Colin but he has turned out okay. He is very mature in his interviews. Hannah is so sweet-I imagine it was hard for her to walk away and she is trying to bring everyone together.

That's a lot of guessing and assuming. Her message was clear. She and some of the siblings identify as LGBTQ+ and Collin has made hateful comments and been violent. If there's not a good look its for Collin. Has he denied it yet? Maybe that's who he is. Not a good look for him or his supporters.

Still lots questions, because none of them have seen him since he was 12, and they apparently haven't spoken since he was institutionalized. Is Mady referring to things he said at age 12? That seems a bit extreme. If this is more recent, how was he making the comments and threatening them if they are no contact? And why is Hannah ok with being around Collin if he was so violent to them all? Idk, the timeline is confusing. Also, let's not pretend Mady is perfect. The show is FULL of her beating on her siblings and being mean and hateful to them. Not just when she was little, but also during the later filmings of Kate+8 where she was a pre-teen/teen. She was awful.

Also, Jon's ex-girlfriend's kids are Black and one of them is gay. At some point, all of them were living together. Not sure if Collin still has a relationship with the kids, but he definitely does with Colleen. On his graduation IG post, he shouted Colleen out and she commented a very loving message back. Seems odd, if Collin is so racist and hateful, that Colleen would still want a relationship with him.

Nobody is pretending anyone is perfect. But Mady made some pretty damning allegations. If they aren't true they why isn't Collin speaking out and threatening to sue? And I think it's clear Mady isn't only talking about race so Colleen's support isn't necessarily relevant. People just seem to want to discount any evidence that challenges their preconceived notion of Kate = evil, Collin = sweet angel. There is a lot we probably don't know and the older the kids get the more we'll find out.

They are mother and child - not two equally situated parties. *Many* people on her have acknowledged that Collin likely had challenging behaviors. That doesn’t justify abuse. Unless someone can demonstrate to me that he is seriously dangerous or mentally ill, the facts still show that Kate purposefully got rid of him by sending him to long-term inpatient therapy that was all out of proportion with his condition- and then purposefully isolated him there by refusing to visit and keeping the child’s own father away. We have documented evidence of Kate rejecting and mistreating Collin from a young age. This was the culmination. Whatever supposed insults or fights he engaged in recently with Mady have nothing to do with this history.

You're not going to get someone's medical history as evidence. The family seems pretty tight lipped about what issues Collin has. He has been kicked out of schools, accepted into an institution, and accused of violence and hateful statements, those are also facts. If Kate was protecting the kids from him, it's hard to fault that. How many survivors of abuse wished their parents did that? We don't have the full story, but you're pretending that you somehow have all the facts from a scripted reality show.

You don’t protect your other kids by sending one child inappropriately to an institution, isolating him, and keeping him away from his other parent. Collin may have needed supports but Kate chose a harsh and ostracizing approach.

Actually, sometimes you do have to do that. None of us will ever know if that was the case here.

No, no good parent sends their 11-12 year away and never visits, and hides them from their other parent, then drops the custody battle when the truth is going to come out.

+1 My daughter attended residential at 13. It was heartbreaking and difficult and I won't judge. But to do it for YEARS, and not visit, is never ever acceptable. It makes treatment futile, for one, because a (the?) key component of any halfway decent residential program is family involvement and addressing the home systems.

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Anonymous wrote:Mady was my favorite kid when I watched the show. At this point, she’s a mini Kate and her statement shows that she will not stand for hate of any kind, except the kind she herself dishes out.

She really is Kate 2.0 which is not good for her at all.

Agree that her statement was not a good look. My guess is Kate used her to help dole out punishment and she is trying to rationalize. Kate is the true monster who literally had her kid sent away and didn’t even visit. I remember her saying they were not sure of his diagnosis. and my guess is there wasn’t some awful thing so she made stuff up. I feel bad for Colin but he has turned out okay. He is very mature in his interviews. Hannah is so sweet-I imagine it was hard for her to walk away and she is trying to bring everyone together.

That's a lot of guessing and assuming. Her message was clear. She and some of the siblings identify as LGBTQ+ and Collin has made hateful comments and been violent. If there's not a good look its for Collin. Has he denied it yet? Maybe that's who he is. Not a good look for him or his supporters.

Still lots questions, because none of them have seen him since he was 12, and they apparently haven't spoken since he was institutionalized. Is Mady referring to things he said at age 12? That seems a bit extreme. If this is more recent, how was he making the comments and threatening them if they are no contact? And why is Hannah ok with being around Collin if he was so violent to them all? Idk, the timeline is confusing. Also, let's not pretend Mady is perfect. The show is FULL of her beating on her siblings and being mean and hateful to them. Not just when she was little, but also during the later filmings of Kate+8 where she was a pre-teen/teen. She was awful.

Also, Jon's ex-girlfriend's kids are Black and one of them is gay. At some point, all of them were living together. Not sure if Collin still has a relationship with the kids, but he definitely does with Colleen. On his graduation IG post, he shouted Colleen out and she commented a very loving message back. Seems odd, if Collin is so racist and hateful, that Colleen would still want a relationship with him.

Nobody is pretending anyone is perfect. But Mady made some pretty damning allegations. If they aren't true they why isn't Collin speaking out and threatening to sue? And I think it's clear Mady isn't only talking about race so Colleen's support isn't necessarily relevant. People just seem to want to discount any evidence that challenges their preconceived notion of Kate = evil, Collin = sweet angel. There is a lot we probably don't know and the older the kids get the more we'll find out.

They are mother and child - not two equally situated parties. *Many* people on her have acknowledged that Collin likely had challenging behaviors. That doesn’t justify abuse. Unless someone can demonstrate to me that he is seriously dangerous or mentally ill, the facts still show that Kate purposefully got rid of him by sending him to long-term inpatient therapy that was all out of proportion with his condition- and then purposefully isolated him there by refusing to visit and keeping the child’s own father away. We have documented evidence of Kate rejecting and mistreating Collin from a young age. This was the culmination. Whatever supposed insults or fights he engaged in recently with Mady have nothing to do with this history.

You're not going to get someone's medical history as evidence. The family seems pretty tight lipped about what issues Collin has. He has been kicked out of schools, accepted into an institution, and accused of violence and hateful statements, those are also facts. If Kate was protecting the kids from him, it's hard to fault that. How many survivors of abuse wished their parents did that? We don't have the full story, but you're pretending that you somehow have all the facts from a scripted reality show.

You don’t protect your other kids by sending one child inappropriately to an institution, isolating him, and keeping him away from his other parent. Collin may have needed supports but Kate chose a harsh and ostracizing approach.

That it was inappropriate is an opinion, not a fact.

Kids don’t get sent away for 3 years with the kind of minor issues Collin has. The fact that Kate never visited and blocked his dad from taking custody or even knowing where he was strongly reinforces that Kate wanted to get rid of Collin.

Right, they don't. So the obvious conclusion is there's more going on. Not that everyone is joining forces with Kate like family court, schools, CPS, mental health institutions, the other kids, just to be super mean to Collin. I mean, come on. Why would everyone do that?

Collin was never subject to a court order to be institutionalized. When Kate was finally forced to let Jon be a parent, he readily got Collin out and graduated from a mainstream HS. This is not a picture of a kid who needed to be sent away at 12.

Whatever. Kate had full custody of the kids. Jon was an absentee dad. Also he was accused by Collin of beating him. Cops were called, investigation launched, nothing happened. Also like the claims Collin made against Kate. CYS notified, investigation launched, nothing happened. Seems like Collin is a troubled teen who likely tells lies. This isn't just a little ADHD.

Is Hannah a liar too? When Kate tried to pull her out of Jon's car so hard an ambulance was called- what's up with that?

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/kate-gosselin-jon-gosselin-custody-police-daughter-140042/

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Anonymous wrote:Mady was my favorite kid when I watched the show. At this point, she’s a mini Kate and her statement shows that she will not stand for hate of any kind, except the kind she herself dishes out.

She really is Kate 2.0 which is not good for her at all.

Agree that her statement was not a good look. My guess is Kate used her to help dole out punishment and she is trying to rationalize. Kate is the true monster who literally had her kid sent away and didn’t even visit. I remember her saying they were not sure of his diagnosis. and my guess is there wasn’t some awful thing so she made stuff up. I feel bad for Colin but he has turned out okay. He is very mature in his interviews. Hannah is so sweet-I imagine it was hard for her to walk away and she is trying to bring everyone together.

That's a lot of guessing and assuming. Her message was clear. She and some of the siblings identify as LGBTQ+ and Collin has made hateful comments and been violent. If there's not a good look its for Collin. Has he denied it yet? Maybe that's who he is. Not a good look for him or his supporters.

Still lots questions, because none of them have seen him since he was 12, and they apparently haven't spoken since he was institutionalized. Is Mady referring to things he said at age 12? That seems a bit extreme. If this is more recent, how was he making the comments and threatening them if they are no contact? And why is Hannah ok with being around Collin if he was so violent to them all? Idk, the timeline is confusing. Also, let's not pretend Mady is perfect. The show is FULL of her beating on her siblings and being mean and hateful to them. Not just when she was little, but also during the later filmings of Kate+8 where she was a pre-teen/teen. She was awful.

Also, Jon's ex-girlfriend's kids are Black and one of them is gay. At some point, all of them were living together. Not sure if Collin still has a relationship with the kids, but he definitely does with Colleen. On his graduation IG post, he shouted Colleen out and she commented a very loving message back. Seems odd, if Collin is so racist and hateful, that Colleen would still want a relationship with him.

Nobody is pretending anyone is perfect. But Mady made some pretty damning allegations. If they aren't true they why isn't Collin speaking out and threatening to sue? And I think it's clear Mady isn't only talking about race so Colleen's support isn't necessarily relevant. People just seem to want to discount any evidence that challenges their preconceived notion of Kate = evil, Collin = sweet angel. There is a lot we probably don't know and the older the kids get the more we'll find out.

They are mother and child - not two equally situated parties. *Many* people on her have acknowledged that Collin likely had challenging behaviors. That doesn’t justify abuse. Unless someone can demonstrate to me that he is seriously dangerous or mentally ill, the facts still show that Kate purposefully got rid of him by sending him to long-term inpatient therapy that was all out of proportion with his condition- and then purposefully isolated him there by refusing to visit and keeping the child’s own father away. We have documented evidence of Kate rejecting and mistreating Collin from a young age. This was the culmination. Whatever supposed insults or fights he engaged in recently with Mady have nothing to do with this history.

You're not going to get someone's medical history as evidence. The family seems pretty tight lipped about what issues Collin has. He has been kicked out of schools, accepted into an institution, and accused of violence and hateful statements, those are also facts. If Kate was protecting the kids from him, it's hard to fault that. How many survivors of abuse wished their parents did that? We don't have the full story, but you're pretending that you somehow have all the facts from a scripted reality show.

You don’t protect your other kids by sending one child inappropriately to an institution, isolating him, and keeping him away from his other parent. Collin may have needed supports but Kate chose a harsh and ostracizing approach.

That it was inappropriate is an opinion, not a fact.

Kids don’t get sent away for 3 years with the kind of minor issues Collin has. The fact that Kate never visited and blocked his dad from taking custody or even knowing where he was strongly reinforces that Kate wanted to get rid of Collin.

Right, they don't. So the obvious conclusion is there's more going on. Not that everyone is joining forces with Kate like family court, schools, CPS, mental health institutions, the other kids, just to be super mean to Collin. I mean, come on. Why would everyone do that?

Collin was never subject to a court order to be institutionalized. When Kate was finally forced to let Jon be a parent, he readily got Collin out and graduated from a mainstream HS. This is not a picture of a kid who needed to be sent away at 12.

Whatever. Kate had full custody of the kids. Jon was an absentee dad. Also he was accused by Collin of beating him. Cops were called, investigation launched, nothing happened. Also like the claims Collin made against Kate. CYS notified, investigation launched, nothing happened. Seems like Collin is a troubled teen who likely tells lies. This isn't just a little ADHD.

Nobody ever said he didn’t have ADHD. Normal moms don’t send kids away for ADHD or some lies. Jon went and got him so at the end of the day, he’s the better parent. As soon as he was able to get custody he did.

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Anonymous wrote:He was probably just ADHD and defiant, but Kate being a controlling narcissist she needed a scapegoat for her family system to work and she couldn’t send him to Jon because that would blow her image. I suspect she calculated that in her fan base there would be sympathy for her and support for her taking the difficult step to send her special needs child to a residential facility so she could focus, poor single mom that she was, on the rest of the kids. And of course she didn’t advertise that she wasn’t visiting him or calling him or facilitating an ongoing relationship between him and his siblings - when all of those facts came out is when her fan base went *poof* and why she couldn’t shop another show concept to anyone. She is a vile person, truly.

I am not team Jon either, please don’t get me wrong. I think they are both shallow minded people to bring a litter of babies into the world in the first place, and it was despicable to make them commodities from birth and to violate their privacy their entire childhoods.

I expect we haven’t heard the end of Gosselin family dysfunction. Poor kids.

I suspect the show paid for the institution to keep the family image perfect.

And to avoid having to film Collin not participating. He said in the Vice interview that he no longer wanted to be filmed and then showed clips of him sitting sullenly and silently next to his brothers on a couch when being filmed by the crew. TLC I think are the absolute real villains in all this. The made easily over a hundred million dollars off this family. When you look at all the money the network made, the family got peanuts. Paying for residential treatment-around 80 to 100k a year would be worth it for the network to earn millions.

Try 200-300k.

Yep. And no insurance company would cover three years of that.

The school system would. Special education kids are placed at residential facilities due to behavior issues and it's paid for by the school district. I suspect that's what happened to Collin, because otherwise I don't know how Kate could have afforded it. Obviously the issues have to be pretty bad to qualify for residential.

You would need a diagnosis to get the services. ADHD alone would never cut it.

Yeah. Behavior has to be really extreme and the first step would not be residential.

No. If the parent wants residential, the parent can get residential and behavior does NOT have to be "really extreme." The "troubled teen industry" is a multibillion dollar one, and in many of these centers... if you pay - they will take your kid regardless of issues (or lack thereof). This article does a great job explaining: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/10/11/opinion/teen-mental-health-care.html

Yes I agree - if the parent can pay for it there are always “trouble teen” facilities available. I was talking about a residential placement paid for by the public school/state after its clear the child cannot be educated in a less restrictive setting.

Gotcha. The names of the facilities that Collin was in have been published, and they were not that.

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Anonymous wrote:Mady was my favorite kid when I watched the show. At this point, she’s a mini Kate and her statement shows that she will not stand for hate of any kind, except the kind she herself dishes out.

She really is Kate 2.0 which is not good for her at all.

Agree that her statement was not a good look. My guess is Kate used her to help dole out punishment and she is trying to rationalize. Kate is the true monster who literally had her kid sent away and didn’t even visit. I remember her saying they were not sure of his diagnosis. and my guess is there wasn’t some awful thing so she made stuff up. I feel bad for Colin but he has turned out okay. He is very mature in his interviews. Hannah is so sweet-I imagine it was hard for her to walk away and she is trying to bring everyone together.

That's a lot of guessing and assuming. Her message was clear. She and some of the siblings identify as LGBTQ+ and Collin has made hateful comments and been violent. If there's not a good look its for Collin. Has he denied it yet? Maybe that's who he is. Not a good look for him or his supporters.

Still lots questions, because none of them have seen him since he was 12, and they apparently haven't spoken since he was institutionalized. Is Mady referring to things he said at age 12? That seems a bit extreme. If this is more recent, how was he making the comments and threatening them if they are no contact? And why is Hannah ok with being around Collin if he was so violent to them all? Idk, the timeline is confusing. Also, let's not pretend Mady is perfect. The show is FULL of her beating on her siblings and being mean and hateful to them. Not just when she was little, but also during the later filmings of Kate+8 where she was a pre-teen/teen. She was awful.

Also, Jon's ex-girlfriend's kids are Black and one of them is gay. At some point, all of them were living together. Not sure if Collin still has a relationship with the kids, but he definitely does with Colleen. On his graduation IG post, he shouted Colleen out and she commented a very loving message back. Seems odd, if Collin is so racist and hateful, that Colleen would still want a relationship with him.

Nobody is pretending anyone is perfect. But Mady made some pretty damning allegations. If they aren't true they why isn't Collin speaking out and threatening to sue? And I think it's clear Mady isn't only talking about race so Colleen's support isn't necessarily relevant. People just seem to want to discount any evidence that challenges their preconceived notion of Kate = evil, Collin = sweet angel. There is a lot we probably don't know and the older the kids get the more we'll find out.

They are mother and child - not two equally situated parties. *Many* people on her have acknowledged that Collin likely had challenging behaviors. That doesn’t justify abuse. Unless someone can demonstrate to me that he is seriously dangerous or mentally ill, the facts still show that Kate purposefully got rid of him by sending him to long-term inpatient therapy that was all out of proportion with his condition- and then purposefully isolated him there by refusing to visit and keeping the child’s own father away. We have documented evidence of Kate rejecting and mistreating Collin from a young age. This was the culmination. Whatever supposed insults or fights he engaged in recently with Mady have nothing to do with this history.

You're not going to get someone's medical history as evidence. The family seems pretty tight lipped about what issues Collin has. He has been kicked out of schools, accepted into an institution, and accused of violence and hateful statements, those are also facts. If Kate was protecting the kids from him, it's hard to fault that. How many survivors of abuse wished their parents did that? We don't have the full story, but you're pretending that you somehow have all the facts from a scripted reality show.

You don’t protect your other kids by sending one child inappropriately to an institution, isolating him, and keeping him away from his other parent. Collin may have needed supports but Kate chose a harsh and ostracizing approach.

Actually, sometimes you do have to do that. None of us will ever know if that was the case here.

No, no good parent sends their 11-12 year away and never visits, and hides them from their other parent, then drops the custody battle when the truth is going to come out.

+1 My daughter attended residential at 13. It was heartbreaking and difficult and I won't judge. But to do it for YEARS, and not visit, is never ever acceptable. It makes treatment futile, for one, because a (the?) key component of any halfway decent residential program is family involvement and addressing the home systems.

Exactly. Even my super sh*tty parents visited my 13 year old brother in residential. And only kept him there for a short time and then sent him to relatives. Years in residential is just…

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Anonymous wrote:He was probably just ADHD and defiant, but Kate being a controlling narcissist she needed a scapegoat for her family system to work and she couldn’t send him to Jon because that would blow her image. I suspect she calculated that in her fan base there would be sympathy for her and support for her taking the difficult step to send her special needs child to a residential facility so she could focus, poor single mom that she was, on the rest of the kids. And of course she didn’t advertise that she wasn’t visiting him or calling him or facilitating an ongoing relationship between him and his siblings - when all of those facts came out is when her fan base went *poof* and why she couldn’t shop another show concept to anyone. She is a vile person, truly.

I am not team Jon either, please don’t get me wrong. I think they are both shallow minded people to bring a litter of babies into the world in the first place, and it was despicable to make them commodities from birth and to violate their privacy their entire childhoods.

I expect we haven’t heard the end of Gosselin family dysfunction. Poor kids.

I suspect the show paid for the institution to keep the family image perfect.

And to avoid having to film Collin not participating. He said in the Vice interview that he no longer wanted to be filmed and then showed clips of him sitting sullenly and silently next to his brothers on a couch when being filmed by the crew. TLC I think are the absolute real villains in all this. The made easily over a hundred million dollars off this family. When you look at all the money the network made, the family got peanuts. Paying for residential treatment-around 80 to 100k a year would be worth it for the network to earn millions.

Try 200-300k.

Yep. And no insurance company would cover three years of that.

The school system would. Special education kids are placed at residential facilities due to behavior issues and it's paid for by the school district. I suspect that's what happened to Collin, because otherwise I don't know how Kate could have afforded it. Obviously the issues have to be pretty bad to qualify for residential.

You would need a diagnosis to get the services. ADHD alone would never cut it.

Yeah. Behavior has to be really extreme and the first step would not be residential.

No. If the parent wants residential, the parent can get residential and behavior does NOT have to be "really extreme." The "troubled teen industry" is a multibillion dollar one, and in many of these centers... if you pay - they will take your kid regardless of issues (or lack thereof). This article does a great job explaining: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/10/11/opinion/teen-mental-health-care.html

Yes I agree - if the parent can pay for it there are always “trouble teen” facilities available. I was talking about a residential placement paid for by the public school/state after its clear the child cannot be educated in a less restrictive setting.

Gotcha. The names of the facilities that Collin was in have been published, and they were not that.

What was the second one he was in?

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Anonymous wrote:Mady was my favorite kid when I watched the show. At this point, she’s a mini Kate and her statement shows that she will not stand for hate of any kind, except the kind she herself dishes out.

She really is Kate 2.0 which is not good for her at all.

Agree that her statement was not a good look. My guess is Kate used her to help dole out punishment and she is trying to rationalize. Kate is the true monster who literally had her kid sent away and didn’t even visit. I remember her saying they were not sure of his diagnosis. and my guess is there wasn’t some awful thing so she made stuff up. I feel bad for Colin but he has turned out okay. He is very mature in his interviews. Hannah is so sweet-I imagine it was hard for her to walk away and she is trying to bring everyone together.

That's a lot of guessing and assuming. Her message was clear. She and some of the siblings identify as LGBTQ+ and Collin has made hateful comments and been violent. If there's not a good look its for Collin. Has he denied it yet? Maybe that's who he is. Not a good look for him or his supporters.

Still lots questions, because none of them have seen him since he was 12, and they apparently haven't spoken since he was institutionalized. Is Mady referring to things he said at age 12? That seems a bit extreme. If this is more recent, how was he making the comments and threatening them if they are no contact? And why is Hannah ok with being around Collin if he was so violent to them all? Idk, the timeline is confusing. Also, let's not pretend Mady is perfect. The show is FULL of her beating on her siblings and being mean and hateful to them. Not just when she was little, but also during the later filmings of Kate+8 where she was a pre-teen/teen. She was awful.

Also, Jon's ex-girlfriend's kids are Black and one of them is gay. At some point, all of them were living together. Not sure if Collin still has a relationship with the kids, but he definitely does with Colleen. On his graduation IG post, he shouted Colleen out and she commented a very loving message back. Seems odd, if Collin is so racist and hateful, that Colleen would still want a relationship with him.

Nobody is pretending anyone is perfect. But Mady made some pretty damning allegations. If they aren't true they why isn't Collin speaking out and threatening to sue? And I think it's clear Mady isn't only talking about race so Colleen's support isn't necessarily relevant. People just seem to want to discount any evidence that challenges their preconceived notion of Kate = evil, Collin = sweet angel. There is a lot we probably don't know and the older the kids get the more we'll find out.

They are mother and child - not two equally situated parties. *Many* people on her have acknowledged that Collin likely had challenging behaviors. That doesn’t justify abuse. Unless someone can demonstrate to me that he is seriously dangerous or mentally ill, the facts still show that Kate purposefully got rid of him by sending him to long-term inpatient therapy that was all out of proportion with his condition- and then purposefully isolated him there by refusing to visit and keeping the child’s own father away. We have documented evidence of Kate rejecting and mistreating Collin from a young age. This was the culmination. Whatever supposed insults or fights he engaged in recently with Mady have nothing to do with this history.

You're not going to get someone's medical history as evidence. The family seems pretty tight lipped about what issues Collin has. He has been kicked out of schools, accepted into an institution, and accused of violence and hateful statements, those are also facts. If Kate was protecting the kids from him, it's hard to fault that. How many survivors of abuse wished their parents did that? We don't have the full story, but you're pretending that you somehow have all the facts from a scripted reality show.

You don’t protect your other kids by sending one child inappropriately to an institution, isolating him, and keeping him away from his other parent. Collin may have needed supports but Kate chose a harsh and ostracizing approach.

That it was inappropriate is an opinion, not a fact.

Kids don’t get sent away for 3 years with the kind of minor issues Collin has. The fact that Kate never visited and blocked his dad from taking custody or even knowing where he was strongly reinforces that Kate wanted to get rid of Collin.

Right, they don't. So the obvious conclusion is there's more going on. Not that everyone is joining forces with Kate like family court, schools, CPS, mental health institutions, the other kids, just to be super mean to Collin. I mean, come on. Why would everyone do that?

Collin was never subject to a court order to be institutionalized. When Kate was finally forced to let Jon be a parent, he readily got Collin out and graduated from a mainstream HS. This is not a picture of a kid who needed to be sent away at 12.

Whatever. Kate had full custody of the kids. Jon was an absentee dad. Also he was accused by Collin of beating him. Cops were called, investigation launched, nothing happened. Also like the claims Collin made against Kate. CYS notified, investigation launched, nothing happened. Seems like Collin is a troubled teen who likely tells lies. This isn't just a little ADHD.

Is Hannah a liar too? When Kate tried to pull her out of Jon's car so hard an ambulance was called- what's up with that?

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/kate-gosselin-jon-gosselin-custody-police-daughter-140042/

Do you know people who have abused their kids? I do. When the cops are called and abuse is found the parents are arrested, there are restraining orders, criminal charges filed, and the kids go into foster care. Somehow that never seems to be happening. The police are involved in these cases yet never arrest Jon and Kate. What does that tell you?

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Anonymous wrote:Mady was my favorite kid when I watched the show. At this point, she’s a mini Kate and her statement shows that she will not stand for hate of any kind, except the kind she herself dishes out.

She really is Kate 2.0 which is not good for her at all.

Agree that her statement was not a good look. My guess is Kate used her to help dole out punishment and she is trying to rationalize. Kate is the true monster who literally had her kid sent away and didn’t even visit. I remember her saying they were not sure of his diagnosis. and my guess is there wasn’t some awful thing so she made stuff up. I feel bad for Colin but he has turned out okay. He is very mature in his interviews. Hannah is so sweet-I imagine it was hard for her to walk away and she is trying to bring everyone together.

That's a lot of guessing and assuming. Her message was clear. She and some of the siblings identify as LGBTQ+ and Collin has made hateful comments and been violent. If there's not a good look its for Collin. Has he denied it yet? Maybe that's who he is. Not a good look for him or his supporters.

Still lots questions, because none of them have seen him since he was 12, and they apparently haven't spoken since he was institutionalized. Is Mady referring to things he said at age 12? That seems a bit extreme. If this is more recent, how was he making the comments and threatening them if they are no contact? And why is Hannah ok with being around Collin if he was so violent to them all? Idk, the timeline is confusing. Also, let's not pretend Mady is perfect. The show is FULL of her beating on her siblings and being mean and hateful to them. Not just when she was little, but also during the later filmings of Kate+8 where she was a pre-teen/teen. She was awful.

Also, Jon's ex-girlfriend's kids are Black and one of them is gay. At some point, all of them were living together. Not sure if Collin still has a relationship with the kids, but he definitely does with Colleen. On his graduation IG post, he shouted Colleen out and she commented a very loving message back. Seems odd, if Collin is so racist and hateful, that Colleen would still want a relationship with him.

Nobody is pretending anyone is perfect. But Mady made some pretty damning allegations. If they aren't true they why isn't Collin speaking out and threatening to sue? And I think it's clear Mady isn't only talking about race so Colleen's support isn't necessarily relevant. People just seem to want to discount any evidence that challenges their preconceived notion of Kate = evil, Collin = sweet angel. There is a lot we probably don't know and the older the kids get the more we'll find out.

They are mother and child - not two equally situated parties. *Many* people on her have acknowledged that Collin likely had challenging behaviors. That doesn’t justify abuse. Unless someone can demonstrate to me that he is seriously dangerous or mentally ill, the facts still show that Kate purposefully got rid of him by sending him to long-term inpatient therapy that was all out of proportion with his condition- and then purposefully isolated him there by refusing to visit and keeping the child’s own father away. We have documented evidence of Kate rejecting and mistreating Collin from a young age. This was the culmination. Whatever supposed insults or fights he engaged in recently with Mady have nothing to do with this history.

You're not going to get someone's medical history as evidence. The family seems pretty tight lipped about what issues Collin has. He has been kicked out of schools, accepted into an institution, and accused of violence and hateful statements, those are also facts. If Kate was protecting the kids from him, it's hard to fault that. How many survivors of abuse wished their parents did that? We don't have the full story, but you're pretending that you somehow have all the facts from a scripted reality show.

You don’t protect your other kids by sending one child inappropriately to an institution, isolating him, and keeping him away from his other parent. Collin may have needed supports but Kate chose a harsh and ostracizing approach.

That it was inappropriate is an opinion, not a fact.

Kids don’t get sent away for 3 years with the kind of minor issues Collin has. The fact that Kate never visited and blocked his dad from taking custody or even knowing where he was strongly reinforces that Kate wanted to get rid of Collin.

Right, they don't. So the obvious conclusion is there's more going on. Not that everyone is joining forces with Kate like family court, schools, CPS, mental health institutions, the other kids, just to be super mean to Collin. I mean, come on. Why would everyone do that?

Collin was never subject to a court order to be institutionalized. When Kate was finally forced to let Jon be a parent, he readily got Collin out and graduated from a mainstream HS. This is not a picture of a kid who needed to be sent away at 12.

Whatever. Kate had full custody of the kids. Jon was an absentee dad. Also he was accused by Collin of beating him. Cops were called, investigation launched, nothing happened. Also like the claims Collin made against Kate. CYS notified, investigation launched, nothing happened. Seems like Collin is a troubled teen who likely tells lies. This isn't just a little ADHD.

Nobody ever said he didn’t have ADHD. Normal moms don’t send kids away for ADHD or some lies. Jon went and got him so at the end of the day, he’s the better parent. As soon as he was able to get custody he did.

Do better parents punch their kids and repeatedly kick them in the ribs? Collin said Jon did.

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I don't think the situation is completely cut-and-dry, but there are holes in everyone's story. Why did she never visit him? Why did she hide putting him in a facility from his other parent? How has he been admitted to the military if he remains violently disturbed to this day?

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Who gets on national tv and discusses problems and labels her kid violent? The staggering level of unawareness is shocking. Her kids have problems because she thrusted them into the media. She is a terrible parent.

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Collin said he was admitted but really, it's pics or it didn't happen. I'll believe it when I see it. These people are messy, that's all we know for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think the situation is completely cut-and-dry, but there are holes in everyone's story. Why did she never visit him? Why did she hide putting him in a facility from his other parent? How has he been admitted to the military if he remains violently disturbed to this day?

Collin said he was admitted but really, it's pics or it didn't happen. I'll believe it when I see it. These people are messy, that's all we know for sure.

He was pretty specific about going to Parris Island. He probably scored high on his ASVAB and hasn’t been medicated in several years plus did ROT. The military doesn’t bar all kids with any behavior history.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think the situation is completely cut-and-dry, but there are holes in everyone's story. Why did she never visit him? Why did she hide putting him in a facility from his other parent? How has he been admitted to the military if he remains violently disturbed to this day?

Collin said he was admitted but really, it's pics or it didn't happen. I'll believe it when I see it. These people are messy, that's all we know for sure.

He was pretty specific about going to Parris Island. He probably scored high on his ASVAB and hasn’t been medicated in several years plus did ROT. The military doesn’t bar all kids with any behavior history.

Cool. Looking forward to seeing him in uniform.