UVA admission stats across NOVA

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Anonymous wrote:I see the appeal of the vccs route for kids who just want the degree from the top university. But many kids want a traditional college experience and are social - ie wanting to join a sorority/fraternity, value social connection and on campus experience.

I agree with that, but when a white, in-state kid with a 4.7 GPA (I incorrectly wrote 4.4 in my original post) doesn't get into the school he wants to go to, it is a great option. Same for people with economic factors. My son has been awarded scholarships and grants for his entire 3 semesters (summer 2022, fall 2022, spring 2023) and will show up to VT without having spent a dime on tuition. He also has been working part time. There is a good chance will spend 3 years there as he is planning on double majoring. 3 years of college is pretty good.

VCCS will bypass the broken college admissions office. That is the best part.

Why should a top student be relegated to a school they have no interest in? Because they are white?

Why would a top student not find good safety and match schools so they are not "relegated to a school they have no interest in"? There are thousands of Top Students and not enough spaces at the "top/elite/instate" schools. So this parent has smartly figured out that VCCS is an affordable way to stay instate and get into the great affordable option if that's where you want to attend. More kids should do this.

It's not about being White or any other background. It's about there are more qualified students than spaces. And colleges want diversity on all levels---that may mean someone only has a 1450 and 3.7 and gets in over your 4.7/1550 student. It's not like VATech is admitting kids with 1000/3.0 into engineering over your kid. The differences between 1450/1550 is minimal.

It has a great deal with being white, and being an in state applicant and being a student from a large and competitive school. There is a huge difference when there is a 4.7 student not getting accepted and a 3.7 that is struggling. A 4.7 and 3.7 aren't even close.

VCCS is great because the 4.7 student can get in despite an admissions system that had been corrupted to the elite left.

Safety school are usually where people don't want to go.

How can you expect everyone to adopt your vile, racist point of view if you don't provide the unweighted GPA and the list of courses and the "core coverage" evidence? And is this a magnet school? There's nothing in what you've said so far, even with that convenient jump in reported WGPA, that would make this candidate a sure bet for UVA engineering, especially if the student is from a STEM magnet school. Angry parents constantly use boards like this to chest-thump and hair-tear in performative white fragility meltdowns, but we need more stats and info to join you in really feeling the full arc of your twenty-comment hatefest.

THIS. The PP has posted this sob story many times before - apparently, s/he simply can't get over the fact that her son didn't get into the schools she thought he was entitled to. It's really quite astounding. And you can bet that her son didn't apply ED - yet she refuses to admit this.

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Anonymous wrote:I see the appeal of the vccs route for kids who just want the degree from the top university. But many kids want a traditional college experience and are social - ie wanting to join a sorority/fraternity, value social connection and on campus experience.

I agree with that, but when a white, in-state kid with a 4.7 GPA (I incorrectly wrote 4.4 in my original post) doesn't get into the school he wants to go to, it is a great option. Same for people with economic factors. My son has been awarded scholarships and grants for his entire 3 semesters (summer 2022, fall 2022, spring 2023) and will show up to VT without having spent a dime on tuition. He also has been working part time. There is a good chance will spend 3 years there as he is planning on double majoring. 3 years of college is pretty good.

VCCS will bypass the broken college admissions office. That is the best part.

Why should a top student be relegated to a school they have no interest in? Because they are white?

Why would a top student not find good safety and match schools so they are not "relegated to a school they have no interest in"? There are thousands of Top Students and not enough spaces at the "top/elite/instate" schools. So this parent has smartly figured out that VCCS is an affordable way to stay instate and get into the great affordable option if that's where you want to attend. More kids should do this.

It's not about being White or any other background. It's about there are more qualified students than spaces. And colleges want diversity on all levels---that may mean someone only has a 1450 and 3.7 and gets in over your 4.7/1550 student. It's not like VATech is admitting kids with 1000/3.0 into engineering over your kid. The differences between 1450/1550 is minimal.

It has a great deal with being white, and being an in state applicant and being a student from a large and competitive school. There is a huge difference when there is a 4.7 student not getting accepted and a 3.7 that is struggling. A 4.7 and 3.7 aren't even close.

VCCS is great because the 4.7 student can get in despite an admissions system that had been corrupted to the elite left.

Safety school are usually where people don't want to go.

DP. Where are you getting this fantasy that a 3.7 student is "struggling"? You have repeated your story over and over on this thread. We get it. You are bitter and angry and want everyone to know it - ad nauseum. The students who were accepted to VT over your kid are not struggling, they are thriving. Sounds like you could use some therapy.

A kid with a 3.7 GPA will likely be struggling while majoring in college engineering. I literally knew people struggling in an engineering college that had a 3.7 in high school. There are plenty of these kids that won't get through. The graduation rate isn't 100%.

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Anonymous wrote:I see the appeal of the vccs route for kids who just want the degree from the top university. But many kids want a traditional college experience and are social - ie wanting to join a sorority/fraternity, value social connection and on campus experience.

I agree with that, but when a white, in-state kid with a 4.7 GPA (I incorrectly wrote 4.4 in my original post) doesn't get into the school he wants to go to, it is a great option. Same for people with economic factors. My son has been awarded scholarships and grants for his entire 3 semesters (summer 2022, fall 2022, spring 2023) and will show up to VT without having spent a dime on tuition. He also has been working part time. There is a good chance will spend 3 years there as he is planning on double majoring. 3 years of college is pretty good.

VCCS will bypass the broken college admissions office. That is the best part.

Why should a top student be relegated to a school they have no interest in? Because they are white?

Why would a top student not find good safety and match schools so they are not "relegated to a school they have no interest in"? There are thousands of Top Students and not enough spaces at the "top/elite/instate" schools. So this parent has smartly figured out that VCCS is an affordable way to stay instate and get into the great affordable option if that's where you want to attend. More kids should do this.

It's not about being White or any other background. It's about there are more qualified students than spaces. And colleges want diversity on all levels---that may mean someone only has a 1450 and 3.7 and gets in over your 4.7/1550 student. It's not like VATech is admitting kids with 1000/3.0 into engineering over your kid. The differences between 1450/1550 is minimal.

It has a great deal with being white, and being an in state applicant and being a student from a large and competitive school. There is a huge difference when there is a 4.7 student not getting accepted and a 3.7 that is struggling. A 4.7 and 3.7 aren't even close.

VCCS is great because the 4.7 student can get in despite an admissions system that had been corrupted to the elite left.

Safety school are usually where people don't want to go.

How can you expect everyone to adopt your vile, racist point of view if you don't provide the unweighted GPA and the list of courses and the "core coverage" evidence? And is this a magnet school? There's nothing in what you've said so far, even with that convenient jump in reported WGPA, that would make this candidate a sure bet for UVA engineering, especially if the student is from a STEM magnet school. Angry parents constantly use boards like this to chest-thump and hair-tear in performative white fragility meltdowns, but we need more stats and info to join you in really feeling the full arc of your twenty-comment hatefest.

THIS. The PP has posted this sob story many times before - apparently, s/he simply can't get over the fact that her son didn't get into the schools she thought he was entitled to. It's really quite astounding. And you can bet that her son didn't apply ED - yet she refuses to admit this.

He did not apply early decision. I posted last spring once.

It's not a sob story, but a criticism of the admissions process and a sales pitch for GAA. None of this will affect his life at all. He has a great story about resilience, perseverance and that the world isn't fair. He's going to be in a Hallmark movie or something.

GAA is great. It is inexpensive and gets us another year of him living at home with us, as well as work experience that he is getting now for an engineering company. He just got a raise too.

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Anonymous wrote:I see the appeal of the vccs route for kids who just want the degree from the top university. But many kids want a traditional college experience and are social - ie wanting to join a sorority/fraternity, value social connection and on campus experience.

I agree with that, but when a white, in-state kid with a 4.7 GPA (I incorrectly wrote 4.4 in my original post) doesn't get into the school he wants to go to, it is a great option. Same for people with economic factors. My son has been awarded scholarships and grants for his entire 3 semesters (summer 2022, fall 2022, spring 2023) and will show up to VT without having spent a dime on tuition. He also has been working part time. There is a good chance will spend 3 years there as he is planning on double majoring. 3 years of college is pretty good.

VCCS will bypass the broken college admissions office. That is the best part.

Why should a top student be relegated to a school they have no interest in? Because they are white?

Why would a top student not find good safety and match schools so they are not "relegated to a school they have no interest in"? There are thousands of Top Students and not enough spaces at the "top/elite/instate" schools. So this parent has smartly figured out that VCCS is an affordable way to stay instate and get into the great affordable option if that's where you want to attend. More kids should do this.

It's not about being White or any other background. It's about there are more qualified students than spaces. And colleges want diversity on all levels---that may mean someone only has a 1450 and 3.7 and gets in over your 4.7/1550 student. It's not like VATech is admitting kids with 1000/3.0 into engineering over your kid. The differences between 1450/1550 is minimal.

It has a great deal with being white, and being an in state applicant and being a student from a large and competitive school. There is a huge difference when there is a 4.7 student not getting accepted and a 3.7 that is struggling. A 4.7 and 3.7 aren't even close.

VCCS is great because the 4.7 student can get in despite an admissions system that had been corrupted to the elite left.

Safety school are usually where people don't want to go.

How can you expect everyone to adopt your vile, racist point of view if you don't provide the unweighted GPA and the list of courses and the "core coverage" evidence? And is this a magnet school? There's nothing in what you've said so far, even with that convenient jump in reported WGPA, that would make this candidate a sure bet for UVA engineering, especially if the student is from a STEM magnet school. Angry parents constantly use boards like this to chest-thump and hair-tear in performative white fragility meltdowns, but we need more stats and info to join you in really feeling the full arc of your twenty-comment hatefest.

THIS. The PP has posted this sob story many times before - apparently, s/he simply can't get over the fact that her son didn't get into the schools she thought he was entitled to. It's really quite astounding. And you can bet that her son didn't apply ED - yet she refuses to admit this.

He did not apply early decision. I posted last spring once.

It's not a sob story, but a criticism of the admissions process and a sales pitch for GAA. None of this will affect his life at all. He has a great story about resilience, perseverance and that the world isn't fair. He's going to be in a Hallmark movie or something.

GAA is great. It is inexpensive and gets us another year of him living at home with us, as well as work experience that he is getting now for an engineering company. He just got a raise too.

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There is actually more than one applicant parent chiming in here - other PP/OP needs to realize that. I am thrilled for PP with the GAA - I think it is a great idea!

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Yes, it is statistically more difficult to get into UVAz the 75th percentile of enrolled students last year had a 4.53 gpa, ACT of 34 and sat of 1520. That’s the stats for enrolled, not admitted students (stats of admitted are higher -some students pick Ivies or SLACs over UVA). W&Ms stats are slightly lower across the board

Where are you getting those stats?

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Other PP here - yup, they do not want higher stats than about what you listed, likely due to yield protection (UVA knows those applicants will choose a different school, ultimately - not UVA).

To the best of my knowledge, UVA does not engage in yield protection (like Virginia Tech does). Please cite something to show me wrong.

DP. You must be joking. Of *course* they do. Most schools nowadays do exactly that. If you don't apply ED, it's clear you're weighing your options elsewhere, and you run the risk of being rejected to preserve that yield. All you have to do is talk to students at school and look at Naviance.

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You have to be terribly naive and very foolish to think that UVA, and most other schools who play the ED game, are not yield protecting.

I'm not foolish. Please cite something to show me that UVA engages in yield protection because I have never seen it admitted or even discussed anywhere, whereas it is discussed a lot about Virginia Tech and W&M

They were saying ED is de facto a form of yield protection.

Then how is their acceptance rate not sky high for ED?

UVA has said that they accept a tiny number of students in ED and that their best applicant pool is EA. They seem to discourage ED (unlike other schools). It’s hard to figure out whether ED is even an advantage (bump) at UVA.

Maybe they do ED not to increase the yield but just let the applicant know early if they get in. If not, they still have time to ed2 and etc to other schools.

It seems unlikely that they reinstated ED for the benefit of applicants. It’s typically used to benefit universities and they know that they are in the minority since it’s very rare for a state school to offer ED.

No it isnt

It is rare for state universities.

Not in Virginia.
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It is rare nationally.

459 colleges and universities use ED

How many are public?

Exactly.

According to this list there are about a dozen public schools offering ED and half are in Virginia.

https://blog.prepscholar.com/early-decision-schools-and-colleges-complete-list

None are the same caliber as UVA. VT and W&M are the most competitive schools to get into on the list after UVA.

Dude VT is like GMU level for anything but engineering. Silly to compare a 70 percent acceptance rate school to UVA/WM

DP. Uh, no - it's not. Nice try, though. VT acceptance rate is 56%.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/virginia-tech-3754#aftercollege

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Reality is: this is exactly what every top university does right now. It is called "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion."

And yet the actual reality is the number of diverse students remains below 10%.

Evidence to back that up? Cite please.

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Anonymous wrote:It was fascinating to see in a neighboring DCUM thread that an average UVA admit from Langley HS took 10-12 AP classes, did very well with that class load, and scored 1513 on the SAT.

What about other NOVA public High Schools? Would you mind sharing your experience or, better, the Naviance data for your high school? Since this is a post on an anonymous board about de-identified de-personalized data, pretty please specify the school.

We are new to the state, and this insight would be helpful. Thank you in advance.

The short answer is, OP - your competition is/are those applicants from your particular high school. If those applicants check certain boxes, that almost inevitably knocks you out of the running (if you are either white or from the most populous country in Eastern Asia). There are increasingly more situations that if you do not fit the right profile, you are simply not accepted by admissions. At UVA, this is increasingly more true in the past few years.

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Everyone we know who got into UVA from our school had over a 4.3 weighted GPA. They all had 4+ years language. My son had 11 APs, a 4.4, 1580 SAT (taken once) and huge ECs and did not get in. So, who knows. Though he only did 3 years language. According to our schools naviance no one with his stats had ever been rejected - thus I dont trust naviance. I think lots of high stat kids get rejected for who knows what reason. VA schools in particular has a major focus on diversity and he is a white male. Happy ending though, he ended up at a safety is having the time of his life and already as an internship lined up that pays 50/hr. Not getting into UVA is not the end of the world.

So true.

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Anonymous wrote:10-12 APs?! Jeez. Sounds impossible to get in.

Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

The fact that WM is selective does not mean it is as selective as UVA.

Okay. UVA wins. Grand Pooh nah school of the World. But if it takes 11 APs to get into WM, seems like 10-12 is low for UVA. Probably more like 14. And if 4.3/1500s are bEIng rejected, from WM, you woUld need 4.4-4.5 for UVA. Yes?

Everyone we know who got into UVA from our school had over a 4.3 weighted GPA. They all had 4+ years language. My son had 11 APs, a 4.4, 1580 SAT (taken once) and huge ECs and did not get in. So, who knows. Though he only did 3 years language. According to our schools naviance no one with his stats had ever been rejected - thus I dont trust naviance. I think lots of high stat kids get rejected for who knows what reason. VA schools in particular has a major focus on diversity and he is a white male. Happy ending though, he ended up at a safety is having the time of his life and already as an internship lined up that pays 50/hr. Not getting into UVA is not the end of the world.

So true.

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People just like the price tag.

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Reality is: this is exactly what every top university does right now. It is called "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion."

And yet the actual reality is the number of diverse students remains below 10%.

Evidence to back that up? Cite please.

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Categorically NOT TRUE.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's important for anyone who ever runs across this thread to understand that the admissions story being shared here is something that never happened.

DP.

It happens all the time. I believe her.

Ultimately the Supreme Court will review evidence provided to them, and most importantly:

- find the facts.

From there, they will make a determination with the power of law.

If the evidence of racism against Asians (and whites) does not exist, as so many responses in this thread claim, then you have nothing at all to worry about, right?

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Top PP sounds either very naive, or to be be relishing status quo.

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It took me 2 seconds on Google to find the answer to OP’s question: you only need a 2.0 to get into UVA. It says so right on their website:



“What GPA do you need to get into UVA?
Educational Requirements

Applicants must meet one of the following and have a minimum 2.0 Cumulative High School GPA: High School Class Rank - Top 50% 3.0 Cumulative High School GPA (4.0 Scale) 17 ACT Composite Score or 900 SAT Composite Score (test optional)
https://www.uvawise.edu › admissions”


So why would any student with a 4.7 GPA not be admitted?

What could be the deciding factor???

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Anonymous wrote:It took me 2 seconds on Google to find the answer to OP’s question: you only need a 2.0 to get into UVA. It says so right on their website:



“What GPA do you need to get into UVA?
Educational Requirements

Applicants must meet one of the following and have a minimum 2.0 Cumulative High School GPA: High School Class Rank - Top 50% 3.0 Cumulative High School GPA (4.0 Scale) 17 ACT Composite Score or 900 SAT Composite Score (test optional)
https://www.uvawise.edu › admissions”


So why would any student with a 4.7 GPA not be admitted?

What could be the deciding factor???

That is a different university.

UVA’s site says:

What minimum GPA and test scores do I need to be admitted?

We don't have a minimum GPA. We don't have a minimum SAT score.

As strange as these answers sound, they're both true. A cumulative GPA only reveals so much; it says little about the difficulty of a student's course load, or whether a student's grades have improved over time, or the level of grade inflation (or deflation) in a student's school. If we established a firm minimum GPA, a point below which no applicant would have any chance of being admitted, we'd miss a fair number of students who might make UVA a better, stronger place.

The same is true for SAT scores. Most people who work in admission at highly selective universities believe that standardized testing is a useful but imprecise instrument. Setting an absolute minimum would be asking these tests to do something they weren't designed to do.

Of course, our applicant pool is broad and deep, so most admitted students have excelled in school and scored well on the SAT or ACT (see our Profile for more information). But remember that we don't have set minimums for either and we try hard to take into account all of the information we see in each application.

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

But did he apply ED? Probably not. He should have.

He applied early action. He wasn't sure where he wanted to go. Lesson learned. There were kids at his high school what got in early action that had a less stellar record. Very good and they should have gotten in, but not as good as him. My next kid will be applying early action. Or maybe she will want to go to VCCS.

Look, the fact is, if he had applied ED he would have been accepted as the schools would have known he was serious and committed to attending, and not just using them as fallbacks. That's really all that needs to be said. Stop repeating exactly the same things in your posts.

If this is true, I feel really bad for a kid being advised on the admissions process by OP. The kid applied to MIT but not CMU or Hopkins or any other similar school. They applied to UVA which is nothing like MIT, but UT or Michigan or any other flagships. They applied to Vt, but not GT or Purdue, or Washington or UIUC. It's like they had no advising at all because no one in their right mind applies to a school that's a totally crapshoot, another school that is just as much a crapshoot outside of ED, and a school that heavily yield protects and then shrugs and goes to community college. Not only did they have no safeties, that had almost no applications at all

So you are saying that poor people that are smart need to spend thousands of dollars to apply and then be prepared to spend $250,000 on a private or out of state school? Applying to an in state school with a 4.7 GPA is hardly a crapshoot unless the admissions office is broken. We are only able to pay for an in state school. He decided he wanted to go to VT after he didn't get into MIT. Now is is doing GAA.

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

But did he apply ED? Probably not. He should have.

He applied early action. He wasn't sure where he wanted to go. Lesson learned. There were kids at his high school what got in early action that had a less stellar record. Very good and they should have gotten in, but not as good as him. My next kid will be applying early action. Or maybe she will want to go to VCCS.

Look, the fact is, if he had applied ED he would have been accepted as the schools would have known he was serious and committed to attending, and not just using them as fallbacks. That's really all that needs to be said. Stop repeating exactly the same things in your posts.

If this is true, I feel really bad for a kid being advised on the admissions process by OP. The kid applied to MIT but not CMU or Hopkins or any other similar school. They applied to UVA which is nothing like MIT, but UT or Michigan or any other flagships. They applied to Vt, but not GT or Purdue, or Washington or UIUC. It's like they had no advising at all because no one in their right mind applies to a school that's a totally crapshoot, another school that is just as much a crapshoot outside of ED, and a school that heavily yield protects and then shrugs and goes to community college. Not only did they have no safeties, that had almost no applications at all

So you are saying that poor people that are smart need to spend thousands of dollars to apply and then be prepared to spend $250,000 on a private or out of state school? Applying to an in state school with a 4.7 GPA is hardly a crapshoot unless the admissions office is broken. We are only able to pay for an in state school. He decided he wanted to go to VT after he didn't get into MIT. Now is is doing GAA.

If you want to go to a school like MIT, you also apply to peer schools because almost no one gets into MIT. The same applies to UVA. Look around at your kids school and you'll find more than a few 4.7s. Multiple that by every high school in that state and you'll have more kids than UVA has seats. On top of that, UVA wants a rounded class which means kids applying to different schools within UVA and kids from across the state. A kid from Northern Virginia applying to UVA engineering should realize how long the odds are especially if they don't apply ED