UVA admission stats across NOVA

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

But did he apply ED? Probably not. He should have.

He applied early action. He wasn't sure where he wanted to go. Lesson learned. There were kids at his high school what got in early action that had a less stellar record. Very good and they should have gotten in, but not as good as him. My next kid will be applying early action. Or maybe she will want to go to VCCS.

Look, the fact is, if he had applied ED he would have been accepted as the schools would have known he was serious and committed to attending, and not just using them as fallbacks. That's really all that needs to be said. Stop repeating exactly the same things in your posts.

If this is true, I feel really bad for a kid being advised on the admissions process by OP. The kid applied to MIT but not CMU or Hopkins or any other similar school. They applied to UVA which is nothing like MIT, but UT or Michigan or any other flagships. They applied to Vt, but not GT or Purdue, or Washington or UIUC. It's like they had no advising at all because no one in their right mind applies to a school that's a totally crapshoot, another school that is just as much a crapshoot outside of ED, and a school that heavily yield protects and then shrugs and goes to community college. Not only did they have no safeties, that had almost no applications at all

So you are saying that poor people that are smart need to spend thousands of dollars to apply and then be prepared to spend $250,000 on a private or out of state school? Applying to an in state school with a 4.7 GPA is hardly a crapshoot unless the admissions office is broken. We are only able to pay for an in state school. He decided he wanted to go to VT after he didn't get into MIT. Now is is doing GAA.

If you want to go to a school like MIT, you also apply to peer schools because almost no one gets into MIT. The same applies to UVA. Look around at your kids school and you'll find more than a few 4.7s. Multiple that by every high school in that state and you'll have more kids than UVA has seats. On top of that, UVA wants a rounded class which means kids applying to different schools within UVA and kids from across the state. A kid from Northern Virginia applying to UVA engineering should realize how long the odds are especially if they don't apply ED

I agree with most of this except you couldn't possibly be equating UVA to... MIT?
DP

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

But did he apply ED? Probably not. He should have.

He applied early action. He wasn't sure where he wanted to go. Lesson learned. There were kids at his high school what got in early action that had a less stellar record. Very good and they should have gotten in, but not as good as him. My next kid will be applying early action. Or maybe she will want to go to VCCS.

Look, the fact is, if he had applied ED he would have been accepted as the schools would have known he was serious and committed to attending, and not just using them as fallbacks. That's really all that needs to be said. Stop repeating exactly the same things in your posts.

If this is true, I feel really bad for a kid being advised on the admissions process by OP. The kid applied to MIT but not CMU or Hopkins or any other similar school. They applied to UVA which is nothing like MIT, but UT or Michigan or any other flagships. They applied to Vt, but not GT or Purdue, or Washington or UIUC. It's like they had no advising at all because no one in their right mind applies to a school that's a totally crapshoot, another school that is just as much a crapshoot outside of ED, and a school that heavily yield protects and then shrugs and goes to community college. Not only did they have no safeties, that had almost no applications at all

So you are saying that poor people that are smart need to spend thousands of dollars to apply and then be prepared to spend $250,000 on a private or out of state school? Applying to an in state school with a 4.7 GPA is hardly a crapshoot unless the admissions office is broken. We are only able to pay for an in state school. He decided he wanted to go to VT after he didn't get into MIT. Now is is doing GAA.

If you want to go to a school like MIT, you also apply to peer schools because almost no one gets into MIT. The same applies to UVA. Look around at your kids school and you'll find more than a few 4.7s. Multiple that by every high school in that state and you'll have more kids than UVA has seats. On top of that, UVA wants a rounded class which means kids applying to different schools within UVA and kids from across the state. A kid from Northern Virginia applying to UVA engineering should realize how long the odds are especially if they don't apply ED

I agree with most of this except you couldn't possibly be equating UVA to... MIT?
DP

They are both crapshoots. MIT is much more of a crapshoot, but UVA engineering isn’t exactly a safety

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

But did he apply ED? Probably not. He should have.

He applied early action. He wasn't sure where he wanted to go. Lesson learned. There were kids at his high school what got in early action that had a less stellar record. Very good and they should have gotten in, but not as good as him. My next kid will be applying early action. Or maybe she will want to go to VCCS.

Look, the fact is, if he had applied ED he would have been accepted as the schools would have known he was serious and committed to attending, and not just using them as fallbacks. That's really all that needs to be said. Stop repeating exactly the same things in your posts.

If this is true, I feel really bad for a kid being advised on the admissions process by OP. The kid applied to MIT but not CMU or Hopkins or any other similar school. They applied to UVA which is nothing like MIT, but UT or Michigan or any other flagships. They applied to Vt, but not GT or Purdue, or Washington or UIUC. It's like they had no advising at all because no one in their right mind applies to a school that's a totally crapshoot, another school that is just as much a crapshoot outside of ED, and a school that heavily yield protects and then shrugs and goes to community college. Not only did they have no safeties, that had almost no applications at all

So you are saying that poor people that are smart need to spend thousands of dollars to apply and then be prepared to spend $250,000 on a private or out of state school? Applying to an in state school with a 4.7 GPA is hardly a crapshoot unless the admissions office is broken. We are only able to pay for an in state school. He decided he wanted to go to VT after he didn't get into MIT. Now is is doing GAA.

If you want to go to a school like MIT, you also apply to peer schools because almost no one gets into MIT. The same applies to UVA. Look around at your kids school and you'll find more than a few 4.7s. Multiple that by every high school in that state and you'll have more kids than UVA has seats. On top of that, UVA wants a rounded class which means kids applying to different schools within UVA and kids from across the state. A kid from Northern Virginia applying to UVA engineering should realize how long the odds are especially if they don't apply ED

So, to summarize...a kid had to decide when he is 17 what school he will apply to Early Decision in the fall of his senior year. He also needs to apply to dozens of other private and out of state schools, because he probably won't get in to the Early Decision school, and if he doesn't, he is screwed. If he doesn't get into the school he wants to go to and says the admissions process is messed up, wealthy white women from DC will say that he is entitled and racist. If he does get into a second choice, it will probably cost upwards of $300,000. If his parents can't afford that, the white DCUMs will look down their noses at him and his poor parents. The same DCUMs will say that nothing is wrong with the system. Their kids went to mediocre private colleges that were expensive and think that the gender studies degree they got was well worth the cost.

Amazing. My son wanted to go to an in-state school and was well qualified to do so. When faced with adversity, he found a way to get into the state school that his parents could afford. Some would be impressed with this (his current employer is), but toxic DCUMs are appalled that the poor peasant with white privilege doesn't suck it up and get in his place.

This is the most toxic bunch of people I have ever seen. Nobody cares about grit, determination or hard work. If anybody has the nerve to complain about a system that needs to be fixed, the woke social justice warriors attack. The system is broken and there are a lot of factors involved. The administrators desire to have out of state student pay their salaries, affirmative action, yield protection, early decision, etc. DCUMs dont want to hear it because in their fantasy world, poor white people don't deserve anything.

Seriously, parents (even the rich ones) look at GAA and VCCS. A lot of 17 year-olds don’t know what they want to do when they are adults and GAA gives them time to mature and figure out what they want to do. And it is inexpensive. For those of us that can’t afford a $300,000 private or out of state school, it is a great option. By the way, I just saw that GAA also has programs to private schools.

My son will receive an Associate of Arts engineering degree in May and will be in Blacksburg in August. He was awarded scholarships and grants for all of his academic work at VCCS and has also been working. If I know how great it would be 2 years ago and how much money it was going to save me, I would have recommended it to him as a first choice. NOVA has been great. Classes are the same as VT and UVa, but with poor people, many of whom are older and working. Still all dudes. Engineers are dudes.

How was he supposed to know that the only way he was going to get into a state school was by applying early decision? Were we supposed to pay $20000 for an elite college consultant? www.ivyscholars.com is $400/hour, billed at 10 hour retainers. The average total cost for College Applications ranges from $16,000-$24,000. Certainly not an issue for DCUMs, but definitely a problem for SWMV (Single Working Moms in Virginia). I sincerely apologize for being poor and for my son to have to the nerve to want to a state school in Virginia.

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

But did he apply ED? Probably not. He should have.

He applied early action. He wasn't sure where he wanted to go. Lesson learned. There were kids at his high school what got in early action that had a less stellar record. Very good and they should have gotten in, but not as good as him. My next kid will be applying early action. Or maybe she will want to go to VCCS.

Look, the fact is, if he had applied ED he would have been accepted as the schools would have known he was serious and committed to attending, and not just using them as fallbacks. That's really all that needs to be said. Stop repeating exactly the same things in your posts.

If this is true, I feel really bad for a kid being advised on the admissions process by OP. The kid applied to MIT but not CMU or Hopkins or any other similar school. They applied to UVA which is nothing like MIT, but UT or Michigan or any other flagships. They applied to Vt, but not GT or Purdue, or Washington or UIUC. It's like they had no advising at all because no one in their right mind applies to a school that's a totally crapshoot, another school that is just as much a crapshoot outside of ED, and a school that heavily yield protects and then shrugs and goes to community college. Not only did they have no safeties, that had almost no applications at all

So you are saying that poor people that are smart need to spend thousands of dollars to apply and then be prepared to spend $250,000 on a private or out of state school? Applying to an in state school with a 4.7 GPA is hardly a crapshoot unless the admissions office is broken. We are only able to pay for an in state school. He decided he wanted to go to VT after he didn't get into MIT. Now is is doing GAA.

If you want to go to a school like MIT, you also apply to peer schools because almost no one gets into MIT. The same applies to UVA. Look around at your kids school and you'll find more than a few 4.7s. Multiple that by every high school in that state and you'll have more kids than UVA has seats. On top of that, UVA wants a rounded class which means kids applying to different schools within UVA and kids from across the state. A kid from Northern Virginia applying to UVA engineering should realize how long the odds are especially if they don't apply ED

I agree with most of this except you couldn't possibly be equating UVA to... MIT?
DP

They are both crapshoots. MIT is much more of a crapshoot, but UVA engineering isn’t exactly a safety

Apples and oranges, for certain.

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

But did he apply ED? Probably not. He should have.

He applied early action. He wasn't sure where he wanted to go. Lesson learned. There were kids at his high school what got in early action that had a less stellar record. Very good and they should have gotten in, but not as good as him. My next kid will be applying early action. Or maybe she will want to go to VCCS.

Look, the fact is, if he had applied ED he would have been accepted as the schools would have known he was serious and committed to attending, and not just using them as fallbacks. That's really all that needs to be said. Stop repeating exactly the same things in your posts.

If this is true, I feel really bad for a kid being advised on the admissions process by OP. The kid applied to MIT but not CMU or Hopkins or any other similar school. They applied to UVA which is nothing like MIT, but UT or Michigan or any other flagships. They applied to Vt, but not GT or Purdue, or Washington or UIUC. It's like they had no advising at all because no one in their right mind applies to a school that's a totally crapshoot, another school that is just as much a crapshoot outside of ED, and a school that heavily yield protects and then shrugs and goes to community college. Not only did they have no safeties, that had almost no applications at all

So you are saying that poor people that are smart need to spend thousands of dollars to apply and then be prepared to spend $250,000 on a private or out of state school? Applying to an in state school with a 4.7 GPA is hardly a crapshoot unless the admissions office is broken. We are only able to pay for an in state school. He decided he wanted to go to VT after he didn't get into MIT. Now is is doing GAA.

If you want to go to a school like MIT, you also apply to peer schools because almost no one gets into MIT. The same applies to UVA. Look around at your kids school and you'll find more than a few 4.7s. Multiple that by every high school in that state and you'll have more kids than UVA has seats. On top of that, UVA wants a rounded class which means kids applying to different schools within UVA and kids from across the state. A kid from Northern Virginia applying to UVA engineering should realize how long the odds are especially if they don't apply ED

So, to summarize...a kid had to decide when he is 17 what school he will apply to Early Decision in the fall of his senior year. He also needs to apply to dozens of other private and out of state schools, because he probably won't get in to the Early Decision school, and if he doesn't, he is screwed. If he doesn't get into the school he wants to go to and says the admissions process is messed up, wealthy white women from DC will say that he is entitled and racist. If he does get into a second choice, it will probably cost upwards of $300,000. If his parents can't afford that, the white DCUMs will look down their noses at him and his poor parents. The same DCUMs will say that nothing is wrong with the system. Their kids went to mediocre private colleges that were expensive and think that the gender studies degree they got was well worth the cost.

Amazing. My son wanted to go to an in-state school and was well qualified to do so. When faced with adversity, he found a way to get into the state school that his parents could afford. Some would be impressed with this (his current employer is), but toxic DCUMs are appalled that the poor peasant with white privilege doesn't suck it up and get in his place.

This is the most toxic bunch of people I have ever seen. Nobody cares about grit, determination or hard work. If anybody has the nerve to complain about a system that needs to be fixed, the woke social justice warriors attack. The system is broken and there are a lot of factors involved. The administrators desire to have out of state student pay their salaries, affirmative action, yield protection, early decision, etc. DCUMs dont want to hear it because in their fantasy world, poor white people don't deserve anything.

Seriously, parents (even the rich ones) look at GAA and VCCS. A lot of 17 year-olds don’t know what they want to do when they are adults and GAA gives them time to mature and figure out what they want to do. And it is inexpensive. For those of us that can’t afford a $300,000 private or out of state school, it is a great option. By the way, I just saw that GAA also has programs to private schools.

My son will receive an Associate of Arts engineering degree in May and will be in Blacksburg in August. He was awarded scholarships and grants for all of his academic work at VCCS and has also been working. If I know how great it would be 2 years ago and how much money it was going to save me, I would have recommended it to him as a first choice. NOVA has been great. Classes are the same as VT and UVa, but with poor people, many of whom are older and working. Still all dudes. Engineers are dudes.

How was he supposed to know that the only way he was going to get into a state school was by applying early decision? Were we supposed to pay $20000 for an elite college consultant? www.ivyscholars.com is $400/hour, billed at 10 hour retainers. The average total cost for College Applications ranges from $16,000-$24,000. Certainly not an issue for DCUMs, but definitely a problem for SWMV (Single Working Moms in Virginia). I sincerely apologize for being poor and for my son to have to the nerve to want to a state school in Virginia.

I applaud you and your son, and I know that he will do very well, if he is anything like his mother came across in this post.

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

But did he apply ED? Probably not. He should have.

He applied early action. He wasn't sure where he wanted to go. Lesson learned. There were kids at his high school what got in early action that had a less stellar record. Very good and they should have gotten in, but not as good as him. My next kid will be applying early action. Or maybe she will want to go to VCCS.

Look, the fact is, if he had applied ED he would have been accepted as the schools would have known he was serious and committed to attending, and not just using them as fallbacks. That's really all that needs to be said. Stop repeating exactly the same things in your posts.

If this is true, I feel really bad for a kid being advised on the admissions process by OP. The kid applied to MIT but not CMU or Hopkins or any other similar school. They applied to UVA which is nothing like MIT, but UT or Michigan or any other flagships. They applied to Vt, but not GT or Purdue, or Washington or UIUC. It's like they had no advising at all because no one in their right mind applies to a school that's a totally crapshoot, another school that is just as much a crapshoot outside of ED, and a school that heavily yield protects and then shrugs and goes to community college. Not only did they have no safeties, that had almost no applications at all

So you are saying that poor people that are smart need to spend thousands of dollars to apply and then be prepared to spend $250,000 on a private or out of state school? Applying to an in state school with a 4.7 GPA is hardly a crapshoot unless the admissions office is broken. We are only able to pay for an in state school. He decided he wanted to go to VT after he didn't get into MIT. Now is is doing GAA.

If you want to go to a school like MIT, you also apply to peer schools because almost no one gets into MIT. The same applies to UVA. Look around at your kids school and you'll find more than a few 4.7s. Multiple that by every high school in that state and you'll have more kids than UVA has seats. On top of that, UVA wants a rounded class which means kids applying to different schools within UVA and kids from across the state. A kid from Northern Virginia applying to UVA engineering should realize how long the odds are especially if they don't apply ED

So, to summarize...a kid had to decide when he is 17 what school he will apply to Early Decision in the fall of his senior year. He also needs to apply to dozens of other private and out of state schools, because he probably won't get in to the Early Decision school, and if he doesn't, he is screwed. If he doesn't get into the school he wants to go to and says the admissions process is messed up, wealthy white women from DC will say that he is entitled and racist. If he does get into a second choice, it will probably cost upwards of $300,000. If his parents can't afford that, the white DCUMs will look down their noses at him and his poor parents. The same DCUMs will say that nothing is wrong with the system. Their kids went to mediocre private colleges that were expensive and think that the gender studies degree they got was well worth the cost.

Amazing. My son wanted to go to an in-state school and was well qualified to do so. When faced with adversity, he found a way to get into the state school that his parents could afford. Some would be impressed with this (his current employer is), but toxic DCUMs are appalled that the poor peasant with white privilege doesn't suck it up and get in his place.

This is the most toxic bunch of people I have ever seen. Nobody cares about grit, determination or hard work. If anybody has the nerve to complain about a system that needs to be fixed, the woke social justice warriors attack. The system is broken and there are a lot of factors involved. The administrators desire to have out of state student pay their salaries, affirmative action, yield protection, early decision, etc. DCUMs dont want to hear it because in their fantasy world, poor white people don't deserve anything.

Seriously, parents (even the rich ones) look at GAA and VCCS. A lot of 17 year-olds don’t know what they want to do when they are adults and GAA gives them time to mature and figure out what they want to do. And it is inexpensive. For those of us that can’t afford a $300,000 private or out of state school, it is a great option. By the way, I just saw that GAA also has programs to private schools.

My son will receive an Associate of Arts engineering degree in May and will be in Blacksburg in August. He was awarded scholarships and grants for all of his academic work at VCCS and has also been working. If I know how great it would be 2 years ago and how much money it was going to save me, I would have recommended it to him as a first choice. NOVA has been great. Classes are the same as VT and UVa, but with poor people, many of whom are older and working. Still all dudes. Engineers are dudes.

How was he supposed to know that the only way he was going to get into a state school was by applying early decision? Were we supposed to pay $20000 for an elite college consultant? www.ivyscholars.com is $400/hour, billed at 10 hour retainers. The average total cost for College Applications ranges from $16,000-$24,000. Certainly not an issue for DCUMs, but definitely a problem for SWMV (Single Working Moms in Virginia). I sincerely apologize for being poor and for my son to have to the nerve to want to a state school in Virginia.

So you’re poor, but your kid didn’t apply to any of the great private college that will meet full need. If you had picked up a guide book at the library, you kid might be at a great engineering school with a huge aid package

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

But did he apply ED? Probably not. He should have.

He applied early action. He wasn't sure where he wanted to go. Lesson learned. There were kids at his high school what got in early action that had a less stellar record. Very good and they should have gotten in, but not as good as him. My next kid will be applying early action. Or maybe she will want to go to VCCS.

Look, the fact is, if he had applied ED he would have been accepted as the schools would have known he was serious and committed to attending, and not just using them as fallbacks. That's really all that needs to be said. Stop repeating exactly the same things in your posts.

If this is true, I feel really bad for a kid being advised on the admissions process by OP. The kid applied to MIT but not CMU or Hopkins or any other similar school. They applied to UVA which is nothing like MIT, but UT or Michigan or any other flagships. They applied to Vt, but not GT or Purdue, or Washington or UIUC. It's like they had no advising at all because no one in their right mind applies to a school that's a totally crapshoot, another school that is just as much a crapshoot outside of ED, and a school that heavily yield protects and then shrugs and goes to community college. Not only did they have no safeties, that had almost no applications at all

So you are saying that poor people that are smart need to spend thousands of dollars to apply and then be prepared to spend $250,000 on a private or out of state school? Applying to an in state school with a 4.7 GPA is hardly a crapshoot unless the admissions office is broken. We are only able to pay for an in state school. He decided he wanted to go to VT after he didn't get into MIT. Now is is doing GAA.

If you want to go to a school like MIT, you also apply to peer schools because almost no one gets into MIT. The same applies to UVA. Look around at your kids school and you'll find more than a few 4.7s. Multiple that by every high school in that state and you'll have more kids than UVA has seats. On top of that, UVA wants a rounded class which means kids applying to different schools within UVA and kids from across the state. A kid from Northern Virginia applying to UVA engineering should realize how long the odds are especially if they don't apply ED

So, to summarize...a kid had to decide when he is 17 what school he will apply to Early Decision in the fall of his senior year. He also needs to apply to dozens of other private and out of state schools, because he probably won't get in to the Early Decision school, and if he doesn't, he is screwed. If he doesn't get into the school he wants to go to and says the admissions process is messed up, wealthy white women from DC will say that he is entitled and racist. If he does get into a second choice, it will probably cost upwards of $300,000. If his parents can't afford that, the white DCUMs will look down their noses at him and his poor parents. The same DCUMs will say that nothing is wrong with the system. Their kids went to mediocre private colleges that were expensive and think that the gender studies degree they got was well worth the cost.

Amazing. My son wanted to go to an in-state school and was well qualified to do so. When faced with adversity, he found a way to get into the state school that his parents could afford. Some would be impressed with this (his current employer is), but toxic DCUMs are appalled that the poor peasant with white privilege doesn't suck it up and get in his place.

This is the most toxic bunch of people I have ever seen. Nobody cares about grit, determination or hard work. If anybody has the nerve to complain about a system that needs to be fixed, the woke social justice warriors attack. The system is broken and there are a lot of factors involved. The administrators desire to have out of state student pay their salaries, affirmative action, yield protection, early decision, etc. DCUMs dont want to hear it because in their fantasy world, poor white people don't deserve anything.

Seriously, parents (even the rich ones) look at GAA and VCCS. A lot of 17 year-olds don’t know what they want to do when they are adults and GAA gives them time to mature and figure out what they want to do. And it is inexpensive. For those of us that can’t afford a $300,000 private or out of state school, it is a great option. By the way, I just saw that GAA also has programs to private schools.

My son will receive an Associate of Arts engineering degree in May and will be in Blacksburg in August. He was awarded scholarships and grants for all of his academic work at VCCS and has also been working. If I know how great it would be 2 years ago and how much money it was going to save me, I would have recommended it to him as a first choice. NOVA has been great. Classes are the same as VT and UVa, but with poor people, many of whom are older and working. Still all dudes. Engineers are dudes.

How was he supposed to know that the only way he was going to get into a state school was by applying early decision? Were we supposed to pay $20000 for an elite college consultant? www.ivyscholars.com is $400/hour, billed at 10 hour retainers. The average total cost for College Applications ranges from $16,000-$24,000. Certainly not an issue for DCUMs, but definitely a problem for SWMV (Single Working Moms in Virginia). I sincerely apologize for being poor and for my son to have to the nerve to want to a state school in Virginia.

So you’re poor, but your kid didn’t apply to any of the great private college that will meet full need. If you had picked up a guide book at the library, you kid might be at a great engineering school with a huge aid package

Wow, you are very smart I should have thought of that. Sort of sounds like "let them eat cake". If you were literate, you could read that my son is very happily going to be going to the school that he wanted to, a state school that we can afford. GAA is a great program and admissions is woke evil. Admissions needes to be fixed.

It is the endgame that matters.

I really don't think that you read anything.

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

But did he apply ED? Probably not. He should have.

He applied early action. He wasn't sure where he wanted to go. Lesson learned. There were kids at his high school what got in early action that had a less stellar record. Very good and they should have gotten in, but not as good as him. My next kid will be applying early action. Or maybe she will want to go to VCCS.

Look, the fact is, if he had applied ED he would have been accepted as the schools would have known he was serious and committed to attending, and not just using them as fallbacks. That's really all that needs to be said. Stop repeating exactly the same things in your posts.

If this is true, I feel really bad for a kid being advised on the admissions process by OP. The kid applied to MIT but not CMU or Hopkins or any other similar school. They applied to UVA which is nothing like MIT, but UT or Michigan or any other flagships. They applied to Vt, but not GT or Purdue, or Washington or UIUC. It's like they had no advising at all because no one in their right mind applies to a school that's a totally crapshoot, another school that is just as much a crapshoot outside of ED, and a school that heavily yield protects and then shrugs and goes to community college. Not only did they have no safeties, that had almost no applications at all

So you are saying that poor people that are smart need to spend thousands of dollars to apply and then be prepared to spend $250,000 on a private or out of state school? Applying to an in state school with a 4.7 GPA is hardly a crapshoot unless the admissions office is broken. We are only able to pay for an in state school. He decided he wanted to go to VT after he didn't get into MIT. Now is is doing GAA.

If you want to go to a school like MIT, you also apply to peer schools because almost no one gets into MIT. The same applies to UVA. Look around at your kids school and you'll find more than a few 4.7s. Multiple that by every high school in that state and you'll have more kids than UVA has seats. On top of that, UVA wants a rounded class which means kids applying to different schools within UVA and kids from across the state. A kid from Northern Virginia applying to UVA engineering should realize how long the odds are especially if they don't apply ED

I agree with most of this except you couldn't possibly be equating UVA to... MIT?
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They are both crapshoots. MIT is much more of a crapshoot, but UVA engineering isn’t exactly a safety

Apples and oranges, for certain.

Most definitely.
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Did the repetitive PP actually say "Engineers are dudes"? That will come as a surprise to all the female engineering students I know.

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Yes, fellow social justice warrior. Every single engineer he works with and has class with is a dude. I know that this triggers you.

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

But did he apply ED? Probably not. He should have.

He applied early action. He wasn't sure where he wanted to go. Lesson learned. There were kids at his high school what got in early action that had a less stellar record. Very good and they should have gotten in, but not as good as him. My next kid will be applying early action. Or maybe she will want to go to VCCS.

Look, the fact is, if he had applied ED he would have been accepted as the schools would have known he was serious and committed to attending, and not just using them as fallbacks. That's really all that needs to be said. Stop repeating exactly the same things in your posts.

If this is true, I feel really bad for a kid being advised on the admissions process by OP. The kid applied to MIT but not CMU or Hopkins or any other similar school. They applied to UVA which is nothing like MIT, but UT or Michigan or any other flagships. They applied to Vt, but not GT or Purdue, or Washington or UIUC. It's like they had no advising at all because no one in their right mind applies to a school that's a totally crapshoot, another school that is just as much a crapshoot outside of ED, and a school that heavily yield protects and then shrugs and goes to community college. Not only did they have no safeties, that had almost no applications at all

So you are saying that poor people that are smart need to spend thousands of dollars to apply and then be prepared to spend $250,000 on a private or out of state school? Applying to an in state school with a 4.7 GPA is hardly a crapshoot unless the admissions office is broken. We are only able to pay for an in state school. He decided he wanted to go to VT after he didn't get into MIT. Now is is doing GAA.

If you want to go to a school like MIT, you also apply to peer schools because almost no one gets into MIT. The same applies to UVA. Look around at your kids school and you'll find more than a few 4.7s. Multiple that by every high school in that state and you'll have more kids than UVA has seats. On top of that, UVA wants a rounded class which means kids applying to different schools within UVA and kids from across the state. A kid from Northern Virginia applying to UVA engineering should realize how long the odds are especially if they don't apply ED

So, to summarize...a kid had to decide when he is 17 what school he will apply to Early Decision in the fall of his senior year. He also needs to apply to dozens of other private and out of state schools, because he probably won't get in to the Early Decision school, and if he doesn't, he is screwed. If he doesn't get into the school he wants to go to and says the admissions process is messed up, wealthy white women from DC will say that he is entitled and racist. If he does get into a second choice, it will probably cost upwards of $300,000. If his parents can't afford that, the white DCUMs will look down their noses at him and his poor parents. The same DCUMs will say that nothing is wrong with the system. Their kids went to mediocre private colleges that were expensive and think that the gender studies degree they got was well worth the cost.

Amazing. My son wanted to go to an in-state school and was well qualified to do so. When faced with adversity, he found a way to get into the state school that his parents could afford. Some would be impressed with this (his current employer is), but toxic DCUMs are appalled that the poor peasant with white privilege doesn't suck it up and get in his place.

This is the most toxic bunch of people I have ever seen. Nobody cares about grit, determination or hard work. If anybody has the nerve to complain about a system that needs to be fixed, the woke social justice warriors attack. The system is broken and there are a lot of factors involved. The administrators desire to have out of state student pay their salaries, affirmative action, yield protection, early decision, etc. DCUMs dont want to hear it because in their fantasy world, poor white people don't deserve anything.

Seriously, parents (even the rich ones) look at GAA and VCCS. A lot of 17 year-olds don’t know what they want to do when they are adults and GAA gives them time to mature and figure out what they want to do. And it is inexpensive. For those of us that can’t afford a $300,000 private or out of state school, it is a great option. By the way, I just saw that GAA also has programs to private schools.

My son will receive an Associate of Arts engineering degree in May and will be in Blacksburg in August. He was awarded scholarships and grants for all of his academic work at VCCS and has also been working. If I know how great it would be 2 years ago and how much money it was going to save me, I would have recommended it to him as a first choice. NOVA has been great. Classes are the same as VT and UVa, but with poor people, many of whom are older and working. Still all dudes. Engineers are dudes.

How was he supposed to know that the only way he was going to get into a state school was by applying early decision? Were we supposed to pay $20000 for an elite college consultant? www.ivyscholars.com is $400/hour, billed at 10 hour retainers. The average total cost for College Applications ranges from $16,000-$24,000. Certainly not an issue for DCUMs, but definitely a problem for SWMV (Single Working Moms in Virginia). I sincerely apologize for being poor and for my son to have to the nerve to want to a state school in Virginia.

So you’re poor, but your kid didn’t apply to any of the great private college that will meet full need. If you had picked up a guide book at the library, you kid might be at a great engineering school with a huge aid package

Wow, you are very smart I should have thought of that. Sort of sounds like "let them eat cake". If you were literate, you could read that my son is very happily going to be going to the school that he wanted to, a state school that we can afford. GAA is a great program and admissions is woke evil. Admissions needes to be fixed.

It is the endgame that matters.

I really don't think that you read anything.

Your kid (assuming you aren’t a troll) followed the dumbest admissions strategy imaginable and it didn’t work. Obviously it’s the fault of evil admissions officers.

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

But did he apply ED? Probably not. He should have.

He applied early action. He wasn't sure where he wanted to go. Lesson learned. There were kids at his high school what got in early action that had a less stellar record. Very good and they should have gotten in, but not as good as him. My next kid will be applying early action. Or maybe she will want to go to VCCS.

Look, the fact is, if he had applied ED he would have been accepted as the schools would have known he was serious and committed to attending, and not just using them as fallbacks. That's really all that needs to be said. Stop repeating exactly the same things in your posts.

If this is true, I feel really bad for a kid being advised on the admissions process by OP. The kid applied to MIT but not CMU or Hopkins or any other similar school. They applied to UVA which is nothing like MIT, but UT or Michigan or any other flagships. They applied to Vt, but not GT or Purdue, or Washington or UIUC. It's like they had no advising at all because no one in their right mind applies to a school that's a totally crapshoot, another school that is just as much a crapshoot outside of ED, and a school that heavily yield protects and then shrugs and goes to community college. Not only did they have no safeties, that had almost no applications at all

So you are saying that poor people that are smart need to spend thousands of dollars to apply and then be prepared to spend $250,000 on a private or out of state school? Applying to an in state school with a 4.7 GPA is hardly a crapshoot unless the admissions office is broken. We are only able to pay for an in state school. He decided he wanted to go to VT after he didn't get into MIT. Now is is doing GAA.

If you want to go to a school like MIT, you also apply to peer schools because almost no one gets into MIT. The same applies to UVA. Look around at your kids school and you'll find more than a few 4.7s. Multiple that by every high school in that state and you'll have more kids than UVA has seats. On top of that, UVA wants a rounded class which means kids applying to different schools within UVA and kids from across the state. A kid from Northern Virginia applying to UVA engineering should realize how long the odds are especially if they don't apply ED

So, to summarize...a kid had to decide when he is 17 what school he will apply to Early Decision in the fall of his senior year. He also needs to apply to dozens of other private and out of state schools, because he probably won't get in to the Early Decision school, and if he doesn't, he is screwed. If he doesn't get into the school he wants to go to and says the admissions process is messed up, wealthy white women from DC will say that he is entitled and racist. If he does get into a second choice, it will probably cost upwards of $300,000. If his parents can't afford that, the white DCUMs will look down their noses at him and his poor parents. The same DCUMs will say that nothing is wrong with the system. Their kids went to mediocre private colleges that were expensive and think that the gender studies degree they got was well worth the cost.

Amazing. My son wanted to go to an in-state school and was well qualified to do so. When faced with adversity, he found a way to get into the state school that his parents could afford. Some would be impressed with this (his current employer is), but toxic DCUMs are appalled that the poor peasant with white privilege doesn't suck it up and get in his place.

This is the most toxic bunch of people I have ever seen. Nobody cares about grit, determination or hard work. If anybody has the nerve to complain about a system that needs to be fixed, the woke social justice warriors attack. The system is broken and there are a lot of factors involved. The administrators desire to have out of state student pay their salaries, affirmative action, yield protection, early decision, etc. DCUMs dont want to hear it because in their fantasy world, poor white people don't deserve anything.

Seriously, parents (even the rich ones) look at GAA and VCCS. A lot of 17 year-olds don’t know what they want to do when they are adults and GAA gives them time to mature and figure out what they want to do. And it is inexpensive. For those of us that can’t afford a $300,000 private or out of state school, it is a great option. By the way, I just saw that GAA also has programs to private schools.

My son will receive an Associate of Arts engineering degree in May and will be in Blacksburg in August. He was awarded scholarships and grants for all of his academic work at VCCS and has also been working. If I know how great it would be 2 years ago and how much money it was going to save me, I would have recommended it to him as a first choice. NOVA has been great. Classes are the same as VT and UVa, but with poor people, many of whom are older and working. Still all dudes. Engineers are dudes.

How was he supposed to know that the only way he was going to get into a state school was by applying early decision? Were we supposed to pay $20000 for an elite college consultant? www.ivyscholars.com is $400/hour, billed at 10 hour retainers. The average total cost for College Applications ranges from $16,000-$24,000. Certainly not an issue for DCUMs, but definitely a problem for SWMV (Single Working Moms in Virginia). I sincerely apologize for being poor and for my son to have to the nerve to want to a state school in Virginia.

So you’re poor, but your kid didn’t apply to any of the great private college that will meet full need. If you had picked up a guide book at the library, you kid might be at a great engineering school with a huge aid package

Wow, you are very smart I should have thought of that. Sort of sounds like "let them eat cake". If you were literate, you could read that my son is very happily going to be going to the school that he wanted to, a state school that we can afford. GAA is a great program and admissions is woke evil. Admissions needes to be fixed.

It is the endgame that matters.

I really don't think that you read anything.

Your kid (assuming you aren’t a troll) followed the dumbest admissions strategy imaginable and it didn’t work. Obviously it’s the fault of evil admissions officers.

His plan has worked out wonderfully. He will be at VT next year because of his hard work and drive.

Not a single person he ever discussed college with didn't think he would not get into the state schools. But it really doesn't matter. Nice work trying to blame a 17 year old with limited resources. Classy and hateful.

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Nah. My kid hit that pretty easily, without being some overstressed, study at midnight, brilliant academic rockstar.

10: World History and Human Geo
11: APUSH, European, English Lang, Latin
12: Macro, Micro, English Lit, US Gov, Comp Gov

That’s 11. Clearly a humanities kid. Not doing anything special at her HS— in fact, stood out in her class for avoiding AP STEM classes (took non-AP Calc) and piling on the humanities. The key for her was going for literally every AP in her area of interest and not struggling for a year (maybe with tutoring) to pull out a kinda okay grade in math or science.

34 ACT, which hits Langley’s media

Attending WM. Did not apply to UVA.

WM is much, much easier to get into.

Not in the last couple of years. Our HS had 4.3+/1500s locked out last year. RD admission was a bloodbath— and that’s looking at the top 10-15% of the class. They will take different kids though. UVA wants the APs across all five core subjects, cares more aBout GPA than test scores and doesn’t cut ED much of a break. WM really likes ED applicants considers test scores more (or did pre-COVID) and likes the the interesting, pointy kids like PP who went very deep In some areas and less so in another. Different schools, different admissions philosophies.

I know ED apps to WM were up 25% this year over last. So it’s going to be another tough year for admissions.

Depends on the gender as well. Much easier to get into W&M as a male than UVA.

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But fairly similar academic stats. So more about differences in popularity than about ease of admittance.

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And he is going to succeed despite the broken system. There are a lot of out of state students paying full price that are also unqualified and struggling with the curriculum. My son will be just fine. I know that probably upsets you.

No it doesn't upset me at all and I genuinely wish him all the best. College admissions is complex, which I'm sure you know, so your sour grapes seem misplaced. Do you have data on the to support the statement you made about out of state students?

College admissions isn't that complex. You need to let in the most qualified students in. That's it. Anything else is social justice warriors penalizing groups based on demographics.

Look at his stats. He is outstanding by every measure and well above average at VT and UVa engineering. If you really think that every single admitted student is better than him, you are wrong. He has a 4.0 at VCCS and will be there next fall. I just want to point out VCCS to parents with students that have below a 4.7 GPA. I put down the wrong GPA in my first post. He had a 4.7.

But did he apply ED? Probably not. He should have.

He applied early action. He wasn't sure where he wanted to go. Lesson learned. There were kids at his high school what got in early action that had a less stellar record. Very good and they should have gotten in, but not as good as him. My next kid will be applying early action. Or maybe she will want to go to VCCS.

Look, the fact is, if he had applied ED he would have been accepted as the schools would have known he was serious and committed to attending, and not just using them as fallbacks. That's really all that needs to be said. Stop repeating exactly the same things in your posts.

If this is true, I feel really bad for a kid being advised on the admissions process by OP. The kid applied to MIT but not CMU or Hopkins or any other similar school. They applied to UVA which is nothing like MIT, but UT or Michigan or any other flagships. They applied to Vt, but not GT or Purdue, or Washington or UIUC. It's like they had no advising at all because no one in their right mind applies to a school that's a totally crapshoot, another school that is just as much a crapshoot outside of ED, and a school that heavily yield protects and then shrugs and goes to community college. Not only did they have no safeties, that had almost no applications at all

So you are saying that poor people that are smart need to spend thousands of dollars to apply and then be prepared to spend $250,000 on a private or out of state school? Applying to an in state school with a 4.7 GPA is hardly a crapshoot unless the admissions office is broken. We are only able to pay for an in state school. He decided he wanted to go to VT after he didn't get into MIT. Now is is doing GAA.

If you want to go to a school like MIT, you also apply to peer schools because almost no one gets into MIT. The same applies to UVA. Look around at your kids school and you'll find more than a few 4.7s. Multiple that by every high school in that state and you'll have more kids than UVA has seats. On top of that, UVA wants a rounded class which means kids applying to different schools within UVA and kids from across the state. A kid from Northern Virginia applying to UVA engineering should realize how long the odds are especially if they don't apply ED

So, to summarize...a kid had to decide when he is 17 what school he will apply to Early Decision in the fall of his senior year. He also needs to apply to dozens of other private and out of state schools, because he probably won't get in to the Early Decision school, and if he doesn't, he is screwed. If he doesn't get into the school he wants to go to and says the admissions process is messed up, wealthy white women from DC will say that he is entitled and racist. If he does get into a second choice, it will probably cost upwards of $300,000. If his parents can't afford that, the white DCUMs will look down their noses at him and his poor parents. The same DCUMs will say that nothing is wrong with the system. Their kids went to mediocre private colleges that were expensive and think that the gender studies degree they got was well worth the cost.

Amazing. My son wanted to go to an in-state school and was well qualified to do so. When faced with adversity, he found a way to get into the state school that his parents could afford. Some would be impressed with this (his current employer is), but toxic DCUMs are appalled that the poor peasant with white privilege doesn't suck it up and get in his place.

This is the most toxic bunch of people I have ever seen. Nobody cares about grit, determination or hard work. If anybody has the nerve to complain about a system that needs to be fixed, the woke social justice warriors attack. The system is broken and there are a lot of factors involved. The administrators desire to have out of state student pay their salaries, affirmative action, yield protection, early decision, etc. DCUMs dont want to hear it because in their fantasy world, poor white people don't deserve anything.

Seriously, parents (even the rich ones) look at GAA and VCCS. A lot of 17 year-olds don’t know what they want to do when they are adults and GAA gives them time to mature and figure out what they want to do. And it is inexpensive. For those of us that can’t afford a $300,000 private or out of state school, it is a great option. By the way, I just saw that GAA also has programs to private schools.

My son will receive an Associate of Arts engineering degree in May and will be in Blacksburg in August. He was awarded scholarships and grants for all of his academic work at VCCS and has also been working. If I know how great it would be 2 years ago and how much money it was going to save me, I would have recommended it to him as a first choice. NOVA has been great. Classes are the same as VT and UVa, but with poor people, many of whom are older and working. Still all dudes. Engineers are dudes.

How was he supposed to know that the only way he was going to get into a state school was by applying early decision? Were we supposed to pay $20000 for an elite college consultant? www.ivyscholars.com is $400/hour, billed at 10 hour retainers. The average total cost for College Applications ranges from $16,000-$24,000. Certainly not an issue for DCUMs, but definitely a problem for SWMV (Single Working Moms in Virginia). I sincerely apologize for being poor and for my son to have to the nerve to want to a state school in Virginia.

My high stats kid also wanted to go to UVA and we also didn’t want to pay for private. With reading DCUM and him talking to his FCPS college counselor, we definitely knew to ED to UVA.