Does University of Michigan live up to the hype?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How is Umich vs Penn for engineering?

No difference unless you want to work in finance/consulting…what Penn engineering gives you is more optionality at lower gpa levels

If you want to work in engineering / tech, a 3.5+ grad from Michigan will be the same as Penn

That’s Nonsense. That’s like saying there’s no difference between Harvard and Michigan in engineering. You’d probably say Harvard is better than Penn too, since it’s ranked higher by USNWR as a university. Any grad from Michigan with an equal GPA to a Penn grad in tech/engineering will be looked on similarly. Michigan is known as an engineering powerhouse; Penn, not so much.

Employers do treat kids from the ivys preferentially. I have a kid at Michigan who went through 100+ interviews to get a CS internship last summer (4.0 GPA, Dean's list, etc.). His friends from Penn had no issues walking into Amazon for a CS internship. Another got into GS for a finance internship. The interview process as described by those kids was 'light' and they didn't seem to have applied to a lot of places. I suspect employment will also be treated the same way.

[Anonymous]

Yes it has been above expectations for our highly gifted DC. Many doors have opened up in many different regards and they love Ann Arbor.

However, it will depend on what type of college experience your DD is looking for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is it a good place for someone who doesn’t care at all about sports? Will they feel like an outsider?

My brother went there and never went to a sports game. He was active in some other clubs and lived in a coop. He isn't someone you would think of as a stereotypical Michigan person but he loved it. Only downside (compared to my private university experience) was that a lot of his friends were from Michigan and stayed there after graduation.

Hi elitist asshat - what's wrong with being from Michigan or living there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is Umich vs Penn for engineering?

No difference unless you want to work in finance/consulting…what Penn engineering gives you is more optionality at lower gpa levels

If you want to work in engineering / tech, a 3.5+ grad from Michigan will be the same as Penn

That’s Nonsense. That’s like saying there’s no difference between Harvard and Michigan in engineering. You’d probably say Harvard is better than Penn too, since it’s ranked higher by USNWR as a university. Any grad from Michigan with an equal GPA to a Penn grad in tech/engineering will be looked on similarly. Michigan is known as an engineering powerhouse; Penn, not so much.

Employers do treat kids from the ivys preferentially. I have a kid at Michigan who went through 100+ interviews to get a CS internship last summer (4.0 GPA, Dean's list, etc.). His friends from Penn had no issues walking into Amazon for a CS internship. Another got into GS for a finance internship. The interview process as described by those kids was 'light' and they didn't seem to have applied to a lot of places. I suspect employment will also be treated the same way.

You're speaking out of your ass, and it's comically obvious. Nobody is getting "100+ interviews" for "CS internships" (most of the time, kids have roughly a 5% response rate for interviews) and those at Penn, etc. are struggling just as much as kids at other schools to land interviews. The only schools that get preference are the "big 4" CS schools (Stanford, Berkeley, CM, MIT) and a few extreme-name-brand schools (not Penn, but Harvard/Princeton) for Bay Area unicorn startups that don't recruit elsewhere, as well as a select number of schools with notable CS/math programs for trading firms ("CalTech, Carnegie-Mellon, Columbia, Cornell, Harvard, MIT, NYU, Princeton, Stanford, University of California (Berkeley), U Chicago, U Illinois, Yale": https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1098719.page#23909788). Note that Penn isn't on that list! Also, regarding this -- "His friends from Penn had no issues walking into Amazon for a CS internship. Another got into GS for a finance internship" -- sorry to tell you, but the I know a guy doesn't beat out traditional and long-tested methods of sampling. And Amazon isn't particularly impressive: they're known for giving pre-interview coding assessments to a majority of the people who apply. If the Michigan kid failed the coding assessment, that's on him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is Umich vs Penn for engineering?

No difference unless you want to work in finance/consulting…what Penn engineering gives you is more optionality at lower gpa levels

If you want to work in engineering / tech, a 3.5+ grad from Michigan will be the same as Penn

That’s Nonsense. That’s like saying there’s no difference between Harvard and Michigan in engineering. You’d probably say Harvard is better than Penn too, since it’s ranked higher by USNWR as a university. Any grad from Michigan with an equal GPA to a Penn grad in tech/engineering will be looked on similarly. Michigan is known as an engineering powerhouse; Penn, not so much.

False - not for non-engineering jobs, which Is what I was talking about.

You didn’t read my post clearly - must be a state school graduate.

Penn engineering gives way more optionality than Michigan engineering.

Suppose junior/senior year you decide to want to do finance or consulting…penn sets you up for that way more than Michigan just due to sheer volume of firms that recruit oci even outside of Wharton.

So that’s my point - Penn gives you access to all opportunities Michigan does, and then some more.

That’s just the way it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it a good place for someone who doesn’t care at all about sports? Will they feel like an outsider?

My brother went there and never went to a sports game. He was active in some other clubs and lived in a coop. He isn't someone you would think of as a stereotypical Michigan person but he loved it. Only downside (compared to my private university experience) was that a lot of his friends were from Michigan and stayed there after graduation.

Hi elitist asshat - what's wrong with being from Michigan or living there?

You end up with more weight on your body and lower life expectancy

[Anonymous]

It's hilarious how ignorant striver DC parents are to how elite NYC and Bay Area employers think. There is no difference in how non-HYP Ivies and Michigan are viewed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is Umich vs Penn for engineering?

No difference unless you want to work in finance/consulting…what Penn engineering gives you is more optionality at lower gpa levels

If you want to work in engineering / tech, a 3.5+ grad from Michigan will be the same as Penn

That’s Nonsense. That’s like saying there’s no difference between Harvard and Michigan in engineering. You’d probably say Harvard is better than Penn too, since it’s ranked higher by USNWR as a university. Any grad from Michigan with an equal GPA to a Penn grad in tech/engineering will be looked on similarly. Michigan is known as an engineering powerhouse; Penn, not so much.

Employers do treat kids from the ivys preferentially. I have a kid at Michigan who went through 100+ interviews to get a CS internship last summer (4.0 GPA, Dean's list, etc.). His friends from Penn had no issues walking into Amazon for a CS internship. Another got into GS for a finance internship. The interview process as described by those kids was 'light' and they didn't seem to have applied to a lot of places. I suspect employment will also be treated the same way.

You're speaking out of your ass, and it's comically obvious. Nobody is getting "100+ interviews" for "CS internships" (most of the time, kids have roughly a 5% response rate for interviews) and those at Penn, etc. are struggling just as much as kids at other schools to land interviews. The only schools that get preference are the "big 4" CS schools (Stanford, Berkeley, CM, MIT) and a few extreme-name-brand schools (not Penn, but Harvard/Princeton) for Bay Area unicorn startups that don't recruit elsewhere, as well as a select number of schools with notable CS/math programs for trading firms ("CalTech, Carnegie-Mellon, Columbia, Cornell, Harvard, MIT, NYU, Princeton, Stanford, University of California (Berkeley), U Chicago, U Illinois, Yale": https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1098719.page#23909788). Note that Penn isn't on that list! Also, regarding this -- "His friends from Penn had no issues walking into Amazon for a CS internship. Another got into GS for a finance internship" -- sorry to tell you, but the I know a guy doesn't beat out traditional and long-tested methods of sampling. And Amazon isn't particularly impressive: they're known for giving pre-interview coding assessments to a majority of the people who apply. If the Michigan kid failed the coding assessment, that's on him.

Oh piss off! I may have misspoken about the 100+ interviews (it was 132 applications and about 25+ interviews, just checked with my son) but the rest of it stands. Do you have a kid at Michigan? Do you know any kids at Penn who have these internships? Is it anecdotal? Yes. Doesn't make it invalid. FYI, a large number of kids from my son's cohort did not get any internships. We are talking about the summer after freshman year. Take it or leave it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The unhinged UMich basher in this thread is an MSU employee who has a bachelor’s from degree mill Michigan state.

Fixed it for you.

Sweetie, even your unfunny attempts at humor are provincial. You expose yourself as a small-minded terminally online Michigan lifer with every post. You are not helping Michigan, you personify its worst stereotypes to an east coast audience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The unhinged UMich basher in this thread is an MSU employee who has a bachelor’s from degree mill Michigan state.

Fixed it for you.

Sweetie, even your unfunny attempts at humor are provincial. You expose yourself as a small-minded terminally online Michigan lifer with every post. You are not helping Michigan, you personify its worst stereotypes to an east coast audience.

Sweetie, I don't live in Michigan. You are talking out of your ass, just like a Southerner who pretends they're from the northeast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is Umich vs Penn for engineering?

No difference unless you want to work in finance/consulting…what Penn engineering gives you is more optionality at lower gpa levels

If you want to work in engineering / tech, a 3.5+ grad from Michigan will be the same as Penn

That’s Nonsense. That’s like saying there’s no difference between Harvard and Michigan in engineering. You’d probably say Harvard is better than Penn too, since it’s ranked higher by USNWR as a university. Any grad from Michigan with an equal GPA to a Penn grad in tech/engineering will be looked on similarly. Michigan is known as an engineering powerhouse; Penn, not so much.

False - not for non-engineering jobs, which Is what I was talking about.

You didn’t read my post clearly - must be a state school graduate.

Penn engineering gives way more optionality than Michigan engineering.

Suppose junior/senior year you decide to want to do finance or consulting…penn sets you up for that way more than Michigan just due to sheer volume of firms that recruit oci even outside of Wharton.

So that’s my point - Penn gives you access to all opportunities Michigan does, and then some more.

That’s just the way it is.

Penn engineering is ranked # 21.

[Anonymous]

I hire engineers. We find no appreciable difference between Michigan grads and, say, Ohio State, Illinois, or Purdue. We've had a few Penn grads and they were meh. MIT and Cornell grads really stand out in our experince

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hire engineers. We find no appreciable difference between Michigan grads and, say, Ohio State, Illinois, or Purdue. We've had a few Penn grads and they were meh. MIT and Cornell grads really stand out in our experince

MIT and JHU stand out in that I’ve never met a dull alum from either school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hire engineers. We find no appreciable difference between Michigan grads and, say, Ohio State, Illinois, or Purdue. We've had a few Penn grads and they were meh. MIT and Cornell grads really stand out in our experince

MIT and JHU stand out in that I’ve never met a dull alum from either school.

How about VA TECH or PENN STATE? How do those grads stack up?

[Anonymous]

Place is full of OOS - mostly NY, NJ and California. Entitled brats. Very greek and juvenile place.

Horrible weather and a big chink of students have a terrible experience on North Campus. Read about it. If you are assigned there - good luck.

Way way way overrated for undergrad.