The Queen Consort

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I'm talking about Charles arranging for Camilla and Diana to get together to meet and try to be friends or something. wtf?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't get over how Charles arranged for them to get together, without telling Diana anything about his history with Camilla. Holding Camilla out as some kind of example to Diana. And later, Charles and Camilla must have talked about Diana behind her back.

That's just so hurtful. Almost inhuman. I don't understand how a person could do that to someone they're married to. It's such a betrayal.

Are you really obsessing over this decades later? Let it go. The obsession is bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm talking about Charles arranging for Camilla and Diana to get together to meet and try to be friends or something. wtf?

These arrangements were commonplace in British high society at the time. Diana of all people should have known.

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Anonymous wrote:Diana was duped from the beginning. If I remember correctly, she was still a teenager when she was picked by the Queen Mother to be Charles’ wife. Camilla was also in on the choice.

Diana was gullible and in love but Camilla was very much still in the picture. Everyone thought Diana would be quiet and turn a blind eye to Charles’ mistress, but they were wrong.

If “The Crown” is to be believed (I know, I know…), Diana’s grandmother who was Queen Mother’s lady in waiting, really pushed the match and even tutored Diana in the court etiquette. Did she really hate her granddaughter that much? That episode made me sad. You would think someone like that would know what that would entail and at minimum warn her. Or were they all just blinded by the fact that it was such an honor etc.?

I think you're overlooking the fact that Diana has been aiming to marry well her entire young life. She may have been in love with Charles, yes, but she was very much in love with the idea of being a princess and then a queen. Why do you think they nicknamed her Duch?

This, above. People want to forget, or never to know in the first place, that Diana was not the perfect innocent she presented herself as being (and which the media not only bought into but then elevated into myth). She may not have been a Machiavellian schemer but she certainly had some natural savvy about how to get and hold attention, and she was known to enjoy much of the attention she seemed to reject. But that doesn't fit with the saintly sweetheart image. She would be more of a real, relatable figure were people to see how she, too, played a game with the royals and wasn't a helpless victim.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't get over how Charles arranged for them to get together, without telling Diana anything about his history with Camilla. Holding Camilla out as some kind of example to Diana. And later, Charles and Camilla must have talked about Diana behind her back.

That's just so hurtful. Almost inhuman. I don't understand how a person could do that to someone they're married to. It's such a betrayal.

Seeing as Charles' dalliances have all been catalogued by the press, Diana has undoubtedly known the name of every girl he has dated for the last ten years. His history with Camilla would not have been a surprise to Diana or to any member of the royal-adjacent circles.

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Anonymous wrote:Well Diana’s mother left her kids when she left her husband rather than stay in an unhappy marriage, so she wasn’t exactly mother of the year either.

+1 terrible the way she ran off and left her kids

I don't think you understand that in that time, a woman who left her husband would have never been given custody. She tried to see her children afterwards but wasn't allowed. I'm not saying she was a mother of the year or anything, but I don't think you have a full appreciation of her circumstances. It's not like an automatic 50/50.

+1 also IIRC she was a commoner and he was aristocracy.

But she could have just stayed married.

Sure, if she wanted to keep being abused.

Did you just make that up? They were both unhappy and both cheated, but that is quite and unproven accusation you are tossing around.

Diana's father abused her mother. I don't know how one would prove it at this point (it's not as though the remaining children would talk, plus her brother appears to be quite a douche in his own right), but it's been covered.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't get over how Charles arranged for them to get together, without telling Diana anything about his history with Camilla. Holding Camilla out as some kind of example to Diana. And later, Charles and Camilla must have talked about Diana behind her back.

That's just so hurtful. Almost inhuman. I don't understand how a person could do that to someone they're married to. It's such a betrayal.

Are you really obsessing over this decades later? Let it go. The obsession is bizarre.

Eh. I'm PP and I rarely think about these people, but came across this while scrolling dcum and saw all these PPs talking about how in love Charles and Camilla were/are. Their behavior was legit terrible. Good luck to them an everything, they seem to have moved beyond it, but I don't have to like them. When I think about them, which is rarely, I think they're both gross.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm talking about Charles arranging for Camilla and Diana to get together to meet and try to be friends or something. wtf?

These arrangements were commonplace in British high society at the time. Diana of all people should have known.

Diana was well steeped in British high society and the measures Brits would take to marry money. Her own father had to marry Barbara Cartland's daughter to get the money to run Althorp and pay inheritance taxes. John Spencer's first marriage was to a wealthy 17 year old woman who could support him as he was still under the thumb of his tightwad father and had no money of his own.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't get over how Charles arranged for them to get together, without telling Diana anything about his history with Camilla. Holding Camilla out as some kind of example to Diana. And later, Charles and Camilla must have talked about Diana behind her back.

That's just so hurtful. Almost inhuman. I don't understand how a person could do that to someone they're married to. It's such a betrayal.

Are you really obsessing over this decades later? Let it go. The obsession is bizarre.

Eh. I'm PP and I rarely think about these people, but came across this while scrolling dcum and saw all these PPs talking about how in love Charles and Camilla were/are. Their behavior was legit terrible. Good luck to them an everything, they seem to have moved beyond it, but I don't have to like them. When I think about them, which is rarely, I think they're both gross.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:I'm talking about Charles arranging for Camilla and Diana to get together to meet and try to be friends or something. wtf?

These arrangements were commonplace in British high society at the time. Diana of all people should have known.

Diana was well steeped in British high society and the measures Brits would take to marry money. Her own father had to marry Barbara Cartland's daughter to get the money to run Althorp and pay inheritance taxes. John Spencer's first marriage was to a wealthy 17 year old woman who could support him as he was still under the thumb of his tightwad father and had no money of his own.

mr darcy!

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Anonymous wrote:I can't get over how Charles arranged for them to get together, without telling Diana anything about his history with Camilla. Holding Camilla out as some kind of example to Diana. And later, Charles and Camilla must have talked about Diana behind her back.

That's just so hurtful. Almost inhuman. I don't understand how a person could do that to someone they're married to. It's such a betrayal.

Are you really obsessing over this decades later? Let it go. The obsession is bizarre.

Eh. I'm PP and I rarely think about these people, but came across this while scrolling dcum and saw all these PPs talking about how in love Charles and Camilla were/are. Their behavior was legit terrible. Good luck to them an everything, they seem to have moved beyond it, but I don't have to like them. When I think about them, which is rarely, I think they're both gross.

+1

Ok this gave me a chuckle.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't get over how Charles arranged for them to get together, without telling Diana anything about his history with Camilla. Holding Camilla out as some kind of example to Diana. And later, Charles and Camilla must have talked about Diana behind her back.

That's just so hurtful. Almost inhuman. I don't understand how a person could do that to someone they're married to. It's such a betrayal.

Are you really obsessing over this decades later? Let it go. The obsession is bizarre.

Eh. I'm PP and I rarely think about these people, but came across this while scrolling dcum and saw all these PPs talking about how in love Charles and Camilla were/are. Their behavior was legit terrible. Good luck to them an everything, they seem to have moved beyond it, but I don't have to like them. When I think about them, which is rarely, I think they're both gross.

+1

Ok this gave me a chuckle.

This reminds me of my next door neighbor. He and his wife had been married for over 50 years when his wife died. Three months later he invited me to a tea to meet his fiancee. He dated her in high school and they wanted to marry, but he was going to one of the military academies and could not marry. After that he was posted overseas where he met an American who was teaching in an American school. I guess out of convenience or horniness they got married. The new wife became friendly with me and told me that they had been "in touch" throughout both of their long marriages. I don't know if it was an affair or just being "in touch." They were married three months after I met the fiancee, and they seem to have a wonderful marriage. His first wife always seemed to be angry and he was always tinkering in the garage. Now the two are always together. Love triumphs?

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Anonymous wrote:Love her. Always disliked Diana, sorry. They will be a good bridge King and Queen between the grandeur of the Elizabethan years and the modernity of Prince William and his family.

Also, I am watching the BBC and the crowd was amazing. Quiet and respectful with shouts of God Save the King. It’s something Americans don’t understand and that fine and preferred. We live in a Republic. We should find the whole thing weird. That’s why we live here and not there. But no major party in the UK has ever run on a platform that includes ending the monarchy and they won’t. They’d have to change the entire makeup of the country and government. It would be expensive and time consuming. It’s too embedded in the culture. It would be like starting a whole new country. Won’t happen in our lifetimes, sorry.

The culture is changing. This is the Prime Minister of the UK who took office 3 days ago.

Lol. Yea, and? Do you see her saying that now? Do you see the TORIES of all people saying this? She might still personally believe that but it won't be part of her party's platform.

The point is those are the words of the sitting Prime Minister. Which is pretty undeniable.

Sure. She undeniably said those words. I'm just saying that the British monarchy is different than any other monarchy in the world. And if the Spanish monarchy is still standing... the BRF isn't going anywhere any time soon. You're free to believe me or not. I'm just some anonymous internet person.

The Spanish King was forced to abdicate 7 years ago because of all the scandals. Weird choice to put them as some sort of example.

Sometimes I really wonder about people's reading comprehension. That's... exactly what I'm saying.

So basically the only major throne rivaling Britain's is on such shaky ground that a King who was revered after the world wars was forced out and the U.K. just lost the only royal figure which had universal adoration but you'll think they'll just be fine?

Okay.

Oh my god, no. Jesus. They don't rival each other at all. I'm saying they had a ton of scandal and the Spanish monarchy is pretty damn unpopular, probably the most unpopular of all the European monarchies, the Queen herself is a former republican, yet still they stand. The monarchy is way more popular in the UK. So they're not going anywhere.

I thought Monaco Royal Family was the most unpopular among the European monarchies.However, what I like about them is their ocean expeditions for research. They do something useful for all of us.

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I was watching footage of Diana the other day and sort of went down the IG rabbit hole on her. She really was stunning. Just absolutely gorgeous and her warmth shone through in everything she did. I can't for the life of me tell what Charles sees or saw in Camilla in terms of both beauty and personality. It just goes to show what little depth he has to not appreciate someone like Diana. She truly glowed.

You have this backwards - he wouldn't have depth if he stayed with Diana only because of how beautiful she was. He has MORE depth because he chose someone who he has a connection with - despite her not being as beautiful as Di

This. What turned me around on the whole Charles/Camilla pairing was seeing the way they are together. You can clearly tell that they love each other and are completely comfortable together. Was the way it came about ideal, absolutely not, but at the end of the day you want people to be with the person they love unconditionally for who they are, not the glamour or clout they bring to the relationship.

They had total disregard for their spouses, children, queen, country, etc. Two selfish people. Charles should have had to give up the crown like his uncle. If he really loved her, he would have. Instead they changed the constitution so he could be king. Many in England will never give him respect or Camilla. They don’t deserve it.

NP. Definitely not defending the long extramarital affair at all, but you're wrong about how people in Britain view Camilla by this point. Read this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/14/king-charles-wife-camilla-queen-consort/

"Camilla’s 50-year relationship with Charles has been messy, but after years of being vilified as the “other woman,” she appears to be easing into the affection of British public. Many see her as the no-fuss royal, with neither a temper nor elitist airs, the steady calm at Charles’s side.

"A new YouGov poll shows that 53 percent of Britons approve of Camilla and say she will do a good job as queen consort, compared to 33 percent five years ago. Her highest ratings come from women and those over 50.

The article goes on to talk to some young Britons who approve of her as queen consort.

So, the start of their relationship aside, people largely want a drama-free royal in the mix and Camilla is it.

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I was watching footage of Diana the other day and sort of went down the IG rabbit hole on her. She really was stunning. Just absolutely gorgeous and her warmth shone through in everything she did. I can't for the life of me tell what Charles sees or saw in Camilla in terms of both beauty and personality. It just goes to show what little depth he has to not appreciate someone like Diana. She truly glowed.

You have this backwards - he wouldn't have depth if he stayed with Diana only because of how beautiful she was. He has MORE depth because he chose someone who he has a connection with - despite her not being as beautiful as Di

This. What turned me around on the whole Charles/Camilla pairing was seeing the way they are together. You can clearly tell that they love each other and are completely comfortable together. Was the way it came about ideal, absolutely not, but at the end of the day you want people to be with the person they love unconditionally for who they are, not the glamour or clout they bring to the relationship.

They had total disregard for their spouses, children, queen, country, etc. Two selfish people. Charles should have had to give up the crown like his uncle. If he really loved her, he would have. Instead they changed the constitution so he could be king. Many in England will never give him respect or Camilla. They don’t deserve it.

NP. Definitely not defending the long extramarital affair at all, but you're wrong about how people in Britain view Camilla by this point. Read this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/14/king-charles-wife-camilla-queen-consort/

"Camilla’s 50-year relationship with Charles has been messy, but after years of being vilified as the “other woman,” she appears to be easing into the affection of British public. Many see her as the no-fuss royal, with neither a temper nor elitist airs, the steady calm at Charles’s side.

"A new YouGov poll shows that 53 percent of Britons approve of Camilla and say she will do a good job as queen consort, compared to 33 percent five years ago. Her highest ratings come from women and those over 50.

The article goes on to talk to some young Britons who approve of her as queen consort.

So, the start of their relationship aside, people largely want a drama-free royal in the mix and Camilla is it.

According to Tina Brown, Camilla can talk to anyone and has no airs about her. She is witty and knows what is happening in the world. She also chats with Carol Middleton at family functions and they use to sneak off together for cigs
until they both stopped smoking.