4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more

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Anonymous wrote:Following the FCPS School Board meeting last week, and based on the personal testimony of some of its members, it’s clear that they are personally invested in gender indoctrination. For this reason, it is comforting to see teachers posting here that, unlike their activist colleagues, they are not comfortable with the proposed changes affecting our kids. Thank you for speaking up!

FCPS needs to fully disclose to its constituents what consulting businesses or any other third parties are involved in this new approach to teaching sex education through the FLE lessons seeking to involve younger students and contemplating no longer separating them by sex when covering explicit contents.

And, are these third parties profiting in any way from indoctrinating our kids on gender confusion? Also, why is it that FCPS, no longer content with having already fully integrated their radical agenda in all areas of learning, now aims to have the FLE lessons/ Sex Ed to be taught to much younger students without separating them in two groups to address developmental changes according to their respective sex? Last, are these new lessons expected to be taught by teachers or by third parties?

For full transparency, this disclosure needs to be sent to each FCPS family via email and by regular mail, translated in all languages represented in the schools, and with a detailed lesson contents per grade for parents to decide if they want their kids to participate. If they do, then they should be asked to fill out forms to Opt-In, exactly the same way we do for field trips because school staff ensures students have signed consent from a parent or guardian before participating. Unfortunately, Opt-out forms are not collected nor followed through with the same level of efficiency. It is for this reason that Opt-Out forms for FLE lessons and Sex Ed are not the best way to go about it since they are not inclusive of those families where English is not fully understood by the parents who need to consent their kids’ participation, or are rather deceiving in that they don’t represent those families that have no access to the internet. Unfortunately, kids from these families are the most affected by the gender activism at schools without the knowledge or consent of their parents or guardians.

Proactive steps to ensure parental knowledge and consent will save taxpayers a fortune, which otherwise will go to continue enriching law firms hired to defend the activists at the school board from being rightly sued. Most importantly, they will protect students by treating them with the dignity and respect they - and their families - deserve.


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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?


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We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.


But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.


Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.


No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.


They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.


Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”


I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.


Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.


What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.


Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.


No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.


All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.



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I’ve posted a few times earlier in this thread. This doesn’t need to be an embarrassing topic.

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Nope. My kids grew up in an household where we openly discussed. Fast forward towards the tween years and it didn’t matter. They were embarrassed and reading about puberty in a book or talking about and it suddenly happening to you is a whole different thing. They suddenly became more private and embarrassed and yes around their friends and at school they were more embarrassed and didn’t talk openly. It’s actually developmental and not something you can “parent” out of a child.



This. I grew up in a very open household. I knew all of this stuff. But, most of these kids don’t come from households that talk openly. You can tell with the types of questions they ask. I have a lot of gripes about FLE. It takes away from instructional time for a full week. There are so many things we cannot answer, which is dumb if the county wants to do this for equity purposes. If they truly want to do this, then we should be able to talk about same sex relationships, other ways to have babies(ivf,surrogacy), etc. I get more questions about these things and we cannot answer them. I personally think it is a huge mistake combining ES grades. Most adults are not embarrassed but the kids are. If a book has any romance in it, some kids get embarrassed. It is part of life. The majority of northern VA does not do mixed for ES grades. What will end up happening is there will be a large influx of parents opting out and the schools won’t have anyone to watch them when 10 kids from each class stay to be educated on this stuff. It will be a waste of instructional time.


Hell no.


In my 15 years of teaching ES FLE, the question(s) I get most often are: how do I insert a tampon? how do I prevent pregnancy? does it hurt to have sex? does it hurt to have a baby? and do I have to have a baby? These are the things girls care about. I can’t say a lot in regards to this, so I doubt IVF and surrogacy will be covered soon.



Every year we get questions about same sex relationships and how they have babies.


They don’t together in a biological way. Hopefully that’s a pretty clear teaching point.


In many ES grades, we aren’t even allowed to answer this question.



That is the point. If we cannot be open about this topic and answer, then why do people think it is ok to combine children and teach them explicit content that is sensitive. Looking at a diagram of a penis is uncomfortable for 10 and 11 year olds.


Nope. We shouldn’t cater to the religious nutters. Let them opt-out. Or homeschool/brainwash their kids at home.


We should not cater to the chdless leftist activists that don't seem to know anything about child development and do not have the children's best interests in mind.

If you are a political activist trying to indoctrinate children, get the heck out of the schools.


I have kids in elementary and middle. You can keep your religious nuttery to yourself, thanks.


Sure you do.

No one is buying that.


I do. The big difference here is that I’m not a religious nutter who wants to push backwards ideas on my kids.

Menstruation happens.
Erections happen.

It’s ok to talk about them with anyone, regardless of gender.



No it’s not. Each child can decide who he/she is comfortable with and not be forced to talk about it with the opposite sex. Do you think it’s a good idea for boys to go up to girls and say I’m getting erections? This could be considered sexual harassment.


These crazy advocates for coed sex ed would NEVER tolerate this in their own work spaces.
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Anonymous wrote:Boys and girls are in class together all day and *still* are embarrassed to talk to or about the opposite sex. Its a part of growing up. The insistence that throwing kids together for FLE will magically make them not embarrassed is silly.



Separating them will only reinforce that they should be embarrassed.


Or maybe it promotes a safe space to ask questions.


Why are you teaching your kids that they are only “safe” with same-gender friends?


Why are you trying to break down natural childhood inhibitions about sexuality and bodily privacy? Only perverts and predators want to do that.


Why are you sexualizing normal human functions?

It shouldn’t be weird for anyone to say they have their period.


For you to argue for this stupid coed fle tells everyone you have no idea what is in the fcps sex ed program.

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Anonymous wrote:If this change is truly about trans kids, why not keep the groups separate but let them do the lesson with the gender they identify with? If both groups are given the same information they can still ask about periods or whatever else if needed.


Because this would be easy and respectful of all kids.

The fcps is not child focused, does not care about boundaries has an extreme political agenda that ignores child development, and is fairly anti girl
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Girls don't matter anymore. Who would have thought it would be the left to discount them?


I had the same thought yesterday. My daughters and I watched Mean Girls yesterday afternoon, which was based on the book Queen Bees and Wannabes, and I remembered all of the books that were dedicated to developing girls and making sure they don't form toxic friendships and lose confidence. That concern is gone.


+1 it’s all about trans kids now.



But if it is about trans kids then same sex relationships should also be discussed. I am all for including a kid to wherever they feel more comfortable but changing all of this is wrong. In ES, there are very few trans kids or kids already transitioning. There is no reason to change this and I plan on writing my school board members from the perspective of a teacher who has taught FLE for 12 years.


Why do relationships need to be discussed? I recall talking about procreation between men and women not really relationship talk. Since same sex couples don't procreate, what is there to discuss?


In elementary school the lessons should focus on hygiene and clini al body changes associated with men and women during puberty.

It needs to be science based, not feelings/trendiness based.
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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?


+1

We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.


But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.


Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.


No questions are asked spontaneously. All questions are written down and vetted first by the teacher. You won’t have a girl embarrassed to ask a question in front of classmates about her period because won’t happen. There’s no reason to separate by gender. As another PP noted, you don’t separate for any other subjects.


They have the option to write them down, plenty ask in front of their peers by raising their hand.


Not in the FCPS elementary school where I teach. I’ve been teaching FLE for over 10 years at 5th and 6th grade. We teach the kids to write down their questions. It’s not that difficult. If a kid raises their hand, I simply don’t answer. I say, “I see your hand is up. You can write down your question and we’ll review them.”


I also have been teaching FLE for over 10 years, some write down their questions and some ask. Either way is accepted. It’s not that difficult.


Correct. And if boys and girls are combined, no one will raise their hand anymore or feel safe. This is outrageous.


What’s outrageous is your faux outrage and lack of basic comprehension skills. ALL STUDENTS CAN WRITE THEIR QUESTIONS ANONYMOUSLY. No one is stopping anyone from asking anything. All the kids are given blank notecards. They write questions. The cards are collected. Questions get answered. No one knows whether a boy or girl asked it.


Faux outrage is correct.

I thought FCPS was an educated area. What is with all of these ass-backwards parents and teachers? Are they even from FCPS? Might be outside agitators trying to stir up trouble.


No, not everyone is post-gender like you. Most of us are modest and are embarrassed by embarrassing things.


All learned behaviors. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed.



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I’ve posted a few times earlier in this thread. This doesn’t need to be an embarrassing topic.

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Nope. My kids grew up in an household where we openly discussed. Fast forward towards the tween years and it didn’t matter. They were embarrassed and reading about puberty in a book or talking about and it suddenly happening to you is a whole different thing. They suddenly became more private and embarrassed and yes around their friends and at school they were more embarrassed and didn’t talk openly. It’s actually developmental and not something you can “parent” out of a child.



This. I grew up in a very open household. I knew all of this stuff. But, most of these kids don’t come from households that talk openly. You can tell with the types of questions they ask. I have a lot of gripes about FLE. It takes away from instructional time for a full week. There are so many things we cannot answer, which is dumb if the county wants to do this for equity purposes. If they truly want to do this, then we should be able to talk about same sex relationships, other ways to have babies(ivf,surrogacy), etc. I get more questions about these things and we cannot answer them. I personally think it is a huge mistake combining ES grades. Most adults are not embarrassed but the kids are. If a book has any romance in it, some kids get embarrassed. It is part of life. The majority of northern VA does not do mixed for ES grades. What will end up happening is there will be a large influx of parents opting out and the schools won’t have anyone to watch them when 10 kids from each class stay to be educated on this stuff. It will be a waste of instructional time.


Hell no.


In my 15 years of teaching ES FLE, the question(s) I get most often are: how do I insert a tampon? how do I prevent pregnancy? does it hurt to have sex? does it hurt to have a baby? and do I have to have a baby? These are the things girls care about. I can’t say a lot in regards to this, so I doubt IVF and surrogacy will be covered soon.



Every year we get questions about same sex relationships and how they have babies.


They don’t together in a biological way. Hopefully that’s a pretty clear teaching point.


In many ES grades, we aren’t even allowed to answer this question.



That is the point. If we cannot be open about this topic and answer, then why do people think it is ok to combine children and teach them explicit content that is sensitive. Looking at a diagram of a penis is uncomfortable for 10 and 11 year olds.


Nope. We shouldn’t cater to the religious nutters. Let them opt-out. Or homeschool/brainwash their kids at home.


We should not cater to the chdless leftist activists that don't seem to know anything about child development and do not have the children's best interests in mind.

If you are a political activist trying to indoctrinate children, get the heck out of the schools.


I have kids in elementary and middle. You can keep your religious nuttery to yourself, thanks.


Sure you do.

No one is buying that.


I do. The big difference here is that I’m not a religious nutter who wants to push backwards ideas on my kids.

Menstruation happens.
Erections happen.

It’s ok to talk about them with anyone, regardless of gender.



No it’s not. Each child can decide who he/she is comfortable with and not be forced to talk about it with the opposite sex. Do you think it’s a good idea for boys to go up to girls and say I’m getting erections? This could be considered sexual harassment.


These crazy advocates for coed sex ed would NEVER tolerate this in their own work spaces.


Sex ed is sexual education. They talk about body parts and bodily functions. That’s the entire point.

If my job was sex ed then I’m sure the topic would come up frequently.
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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read each and every page, but I'm in support of FCPS change...

The concern about where a trans student would go is real. If you send them with their biological sex you out them as trans. If you send them with their gender identity they miss info about what will happen to their body. Don't out kids. Rule number 1.

Second, inclusive sex ed is important as LGBTQ+ youth are more likely to be at risk of teen pregnancy (yes, really) and STIs because they tune out when they think sex ed is just for straight kids.


ES FLE is more about puberty that sex ed and puberty is still dependent biology not gender


Yes, but if you put a child who for all intents and purposes identifies as a girl (and is known as a girl) with boys because that is her anatomy, do you not see how you've just outed that child? That's the point. Let everyone get the information they need without putting them in an unsafe environment.

And, frankly, I think it would be helpful if more boys understood mensuration.


Then your girl goes into the all boy class and learns about erections.

And you and your doctor handle all the medical puberty questions which are going to be quite specific to your child and cannot be covered in a normal sex ed class, since they involve tremendous risks of cancer, lifelong hormone replacement, stunted growth, bone issues, loss of fertility and more.

Your trans kid should be getting their sex ed and puberty information from her doctor and you, not the school.

Leave the rest of the kids to single gender classes.

Why does the school board need to make this so difficult all the time? Do they not have an ounce of sense?
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Anonymous wrote:Boys and girls are in class together all day and *still* are embarrassed to talk to or about the opposite sex. Its a part of growing up. The insistence that throwing kids together for FLE will magically make them not embarrassed is silly.



Separating them will only reinforce that they should be embarrassed.


Or maybe it promotes a safe space to ask questions.


Why are you teaching your kids that they are only “safe” with same-gender friends?


Why are you trying to break down natural childhood inhibitions about sexuality and bodily privacy? Only perverts and predators want to do that.


Why are you sexualizing normal human functions?

It shouldn’t be weird for anyone to say they have their period.


For you to argue for this stupid coed fle tells everyone you have no idea what is in the fcps sex ed program.



I know what teachers have shared and my kids told me.

It’s ok for boys and girls to learn about menstruation together. No one will implode.

Are you from a culture that stigmatizes menstruation? Is that why you’re struggling with it?
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Anonymous wrote:Y’all have GOT to join 2022. EVERYONE has a gender identity. Even you!! Even your kids! You just act as if they don’t because their gender identity aligns with their sex. But they have peers whose identities do not, and it’s good to learn what that means so they can be aware and respectful. It’s good if kids have language for identity and body parts and functions and it’s good if girls know what goes on in boy bodies and it DAMN sure is about time boys know what goes on in girl bodies. Can’t believe anyone would have an issue with this , grow up.


Stay away from the schools please.
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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read each and every page, but I'm in support of FCPS change...

The concern about where a trans student would go is real. If you send them with their biological sex you out them as trans. If you send them with their gender identity they miss info about what will happen to their body. Don't out kids. Rule number 1.

Second, inclusive sex ed is important as LGBTQ+ youth are more likely to be at risk of teen pregnancy (yes, really) and STIs because they tune out when they think sex ed is just for straight kids.


ES FLE is more about puberty that sex ed and puberty is still dependent biology not gender


Yes, but if you put a child who for all intents and purposes identifies as a girl (and is known as a girl) with boys because that is her anatomy, do you not see how you've just outed that child? That's the point. Let everyone get the information they need without putting them in an unsafe environment.

And, frankly, I think it would be helpful if more boys understood mensuration.


Then your girl goes into the all boy class and learns about erections.

And you and your doctor handle all the medical puberty questions which are going to be quite specific to your child and cannot be covered in a normal sex ed class, since they involve tremendous risks of cancer, lifelong hormone replacement, stunted growth, bone issues, loss of fertility and more.

Your trans kid should be getting their sex ed and puberty information from her doctor and you, not the school.

Leave the rest of the kids to single gender classes.

Why does the school board need to make this so difficult all the time? Do they not have an ounce of sense?


The school board is just fine.

It’s the religious extremists who struggle with basic stuff like this.
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Anonymous wrote:FLE instruction is not just body changes. Here are the 5 major lessons in grade 6.

1- Girl’s Body Parts, Puberty, Menstruation
2- Boy’s Body Parts and Puberty
3- Human Reproduction- Stages of Pregnancy and Delivery included!
4- Sexually Transmitted Infections
5- Abstinence and Saying No to Risky Behavior



None of which necessitates they be separate. Girls learn about boy bodies, boys learn about girls bodies. That’s great because pregnancy requires both, so both are involved. STI come from both. Abstinence only works is both agree so both should learn about it together. They should add in consent and withdrawn consent while they’re at it. Either way - none of this demands they learn if separated by sex.


Except the concerns and questions are different. Again, unless you gave taught FLE to 6th graders- you have no idea how difficult it can be. I could not get through the lessons without stopping multiple times because the boys could not handle it without laughing. The girls did not have this issue. Maturity levels of boys/girls are different.


Ok. And? It will be helpful for boys to see the girls behaving maturely. They get all lord of the flies if you separate them from civilized people.

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Anonymous wrote:FLE instruction is not just body changes. Here are the 5 major lessons in grade 6.

1- Girl’s Body Parts, Puberty, Menstruation
2- Boy’s Body Parts and Puberty
3- Human Reproduction- Stages of Pregnancy and Delivery included!
4- Sexually Transmitted Infections
5- Abstinence and Saying No to Risky Behavior



None of which necessitates they be separate. Girls learn about boy bodies, boys learn about girls bodies. That’s great because pregnancy requires both, so both are involved. STI come from both. Abstinence only works is both agree so both should learn about it together. They should add in consent and withdrawn consent while they’re at it. Either way - none of this demands they learn if separated by sex.


Except the concerns and questions are different. Again, unless you gave taught FLE to 6th graders- you have no idea how difficult it can be. I could not get through the lessons without stopping multiple times because the boys could not handle it without laughing. The girls did not have this issue. Maturity levels of boys/girls are different.


+1 The idea of joining boys and and girls in FLE in Elem is ludicrous. How do we make our opinion known to this idiotic board?


Tell all the parents who are not paying attention what the school board is proposing.

They are counting on unaware parents being checked out.
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Anonymous wrote:Following the FCPS School Board meeting last week, and based on the personal testimony of some of its members, it’s clear that they are personally invested in gender indoctrination. For this reason, it is comforting to see teachers posting here that, unlike their activist colleagues, they are not comfortable with the proposed changes affecting our kids. Thank you for speaking up!

FCPS needs to fully disclose to its constituents what consulting businesses or any other third parties are involved in this new approach to teaching sex education through the FLE lessons seeking to involve younger students and contemplating no longer separating them by sex when covering explicit contents.

And, are these third parties profiting in any way from indoctrinating our kids on gender confusion? Also, why is it that FCPS, no longer content with having already fully integrated their radical agenda in all areas of learning, now aims to have the FLE lessons/ Sex Ed to be taught to much younger students without separating them in two groups to address developmental changes according to their respective sex? Last, are these new lessons expected to be taught by teachers or by third parties?

For full transparency, this disclosure needs to be sent to each FCPS family via email and by regular mail, translated in all languages represented in the schools, and with a detailed lesson contents per grade for parents to decide if they want their kids to participate. If they do, then they should be asked to fill out forms to Opt-In, exactly the same way we do for field trips because school staff ensures students have signed consent from a parent or guardian before participating. Unfortunately, Opt-out forms are not collected nor followed through with the same level of efficiency. It is for this reason that Opt-Out forms for FLE lessons and Sex Ed are not the best way to go about it since they are not inclusive of those families where English is not fully understood by the parents who need to consent their kids’ participation, or are rather deceiving in that they don’t represent those families that have no access to the internet. Unfortunately, kids from these families are the most affected by the gender activism at schools without the knowledge or consent of their parents or guardians.

Proactive steps to ensure parental knowledge and consent will save taxpayers a fortune, which otherwise will go to continue enriching law firms hired to defend the activists at the school board from being rightly sued. Most importantly, they will protect students by treating them with the dignity and respect they - and their families - deserve.


YES!

If they can hound the military families hourly for their impact aide forms, then they can do all that you listed above.
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+1

We were never separated out back in the 80s.

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Same here...and I was embarrassed to ask a question about period blood in front of other girls, there would be no way I'd have the courage to ask (or even write it down) a TMI question in front of boys.


But they can at least teach basics. Overall this is going to make people a *lot* more knowledgeable.


Can't they teach the "basics" in separated genders? That way, specific questions and details pertaining to gender can be discussed.


Separating genders normalizes the idea that these things are private and shameful. And when we separated genders in school, boys and girls classes taught content mostly geared toward their own gender. This is how you get men not understanding exactly what a tampon does, where the clitoris is, etc. That happens a lot, even if the school supposedly has the dame curriculum.

Why do you want the separated, aside from embarrassment to ask questions?


Wrong.

They are combining the genders to teach that there are no genders and that boys have periods and get pregnant too.

This is not about teaching clinical human growth and developmemt. This is about an agenda. It started with mandating tampons in the boys bathrooms.


This. We are not fcps but in an area private school. My rising 6th grader had this curriculum this year. I thought it was curious not separated by sex or gender, would have expected same info taught to both groups but separately. If they wanted a 3rd group of self identified other or something, that would have been fine. I was expecting the school to give an answer about education philosophy or research into how to beat teach the topics, stigma, etc. Instead, the answer I got was basically what the pp wrote. I was shocked by this.
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Anonymous wrote:FLE instruction is not just body changes. Here are the 5 major lessons in grade 6.

1- Girl’s Body Parts, Puberty, Menstruation
2- Boy’s Body Parts and Puberty
3- Human Reproduction- Stages of Pregnancy and Delivery included!
4- Sexually Transmitted Infections
5- Abstinence and Saying No to Risky Behavior



None of which necessitates they be separate. Girls learn about boy bodies, boys learn about girls bodies. That’s great because pregnancy requires both, so both are involved. STI come from both. Abstinence only works is both agree so both should learn about it together. They should add in consent and withdrawn consent while they’re at it. Either way - none of this demands they learn if separated by sex.


Except the concerns and questions are different. Again, unless you gave taught FLE to 6th graders- you have no idea how difficult it can be. I could not get through the lessons without stopping multiple times because the boys could not handle it without laughing. The girls did not have this issue. Maturity levels of boys/girls are different.


Ok. And? It will be helpful for boys to see the girls behaving maturely. They get all lord of the flies if you separate them from civilized people.




No it won’t. The girls will just sit there in silence and the boys will continue acting like fools. Have you been inside an upper ES class lately?
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