4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FLE instruction is not just body changes. Here are the 5 major lessons in grade 6.

1- Girl’s Body Parts, Puberty, Menstruation
2- Boy’s Body Parts and Puberty
3- Human Reproduction- Stages of Pregnancy and Delivery included!
4- Sexually Transmitted Infections
5- Abstinence and Saying No to Risky Behavior

None of which necessitates they be separate. Girls learn about boy bodies, boys learn about girls bodies. That’s great because pregnancy requires both, so both are involved. STI come from both. Abstinence only works is both agree so both should learn about it together. They should add in consent and withdrawn consent while they’re at it. Either way - none of this demands they learn if separated by sex.

Yup.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read each and every page, but I'm in support of FCPS change...

The concern about where a trans student would go is real. If you send them with their biological sex you out them as trans. If you send them with their gender identity they miss info about what will happen to their body. Don't out kids. Rule number 1.

Second, inclusive sex ed is important as LGBTQ+ youth are more likely to be at risk of teen pregnancy (yes, really) and STIs because they tune out when they think sex ed is just for straight kids.

So FCPS is now making policies for trans kids that hurt 99% of other kids. Nice. Trans kids can opt out of FLE since they are confused about their biology already.

This is not hurting any kids. It’s hurting their incredibly immature and cloistered parents. Some of you need FLE.

Do you have a fifth grade girl? Are they comfortable discussing their body's changes with a room full of boys? It's bad enough when it's just the girls, now you want them to have a bunch of fifth grade boys in the classroom?

I have two girls. Rising 3rd and 7th graders. Number one, they aren’t comfortable in FLE as it is. Kids are always grossed out and embarrassed but it’s necessary they learn it anyway. Second, YES. I want BOYS who will one day want to have sex with my daughters and who they might one day marry and have kids with to have a basic understanding of THEIR bodies too. Way way too many boys grow up never considering or thinking or learning anything about a woman’s body which is why we have old grown men trying to legislate abortion without even understanding how a pregnancy is calculated by last menstrual period. So yeah. Put them all in there to learn this stuff together. They can handle it. You’re the one who can’t, which is embarrassing for you.

Exactly.

Separating out the girls objectifies them. Boys in 6th are already exposed to porn. Let’s not take away opportunities for them to see girls as real, live people with normal bodily functions. Not just in some sexualized portrayal.

[Anonymous]

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No, “the concern” is we don’t want any kids to have toxic relationships. Why do you feel the need to genderize everything?

Are you kidding me? Someone concerned about girls' development and well being is the one genderizing everything? How about the people reducing EVERYONE to their gender identity and pronouns?

Here is the reality. People who are biologically female--call them women or girls, whatever you want--have a different experience of the world for various reasons, whether it be hormones or biology or gender stereotypes or the very real possibility of pregnancy and rape. Societal expectations for female behavior are different. Ask anyone who has lived as a woman, trans women included (I'm thinking of the PhD scientist who has described the difference in how she was treated as male vs. female). Relationships between girls are different as a result of these societal expectations. The trans movement cannot undo the decades of research about relational aggression among girls, or how girls lose confidence between 8 and 13, or how girls and women are treated in the classroom and workplace if they are opinionated and outspoken. But these things don't matter anymore. This is what we mean when we say that concerns about girls' development have been entirely superseded by trans issues. It's actually incredibly misogynistic, because it's largely about the concerns and rights of of MTF individuals who demand to be recognized as female, but it's misogyny in a progressive disguise so I guess it is okay.

Right. Much of it is externally shaped.

Almost everything covered is important to boys and girls - relationships, anatomy, bodily functions, etc. Stop “genderizing” / “othering” women.

As a fiercely independent women, I resent it.

[Anonymous]

We were never separated in Fairfax County, in the late 80s and early 90s.

When did that start??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read each and every page, but I'm in support of FCPS change...

The concern about where a trans student would go is real. If you send them with their biological sex you out them as trans. If you send them with their gender identity they miss info about what will happen to their body. Don't out kids. Rule number 1.

Second, inclusive sex ed is important as LGBTQ+ youth are more likely to be at risk of teen pregnancy (yes, really) and STIs because they tune out when they think sex ed is just for straight kids.

So FCPS is now making policies for trans kids that hurt 99% of other kids. Nice. Trans kids can opt out of FLE since they are confused about their biology already.

This is not hurting any kids. It’s hurting their incredibly immature and cloistered parents. Some of you need FLE.

Bingo!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We were never separated in Fairfax County, in the late 80s and early 90s.

When did that start??

Probably when the religious nutters started pushing abstinence education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We were never separated in Fairfax County, in the late 80s and early 90s.

When did that start??

Where I went to school, we were separated.

Coed sex ed? Mortifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Y’all have GOT to join 2022. EVERYONE has a gender identity. Even you!! Even your kids! You just act as if they don’t because their gender identity aligns with their sex. But they have peers whose identities do not, and it’s good to learn what that means so they can be aware and respectful. It’s good if kids have language for identity and body parts and functions and it’s good if girls know what goes on in boy bodies and it DAMN sure is about time boys know what goes on in girl bodies. Can’t believe anyone would have an issue with this , grow up.

Exactly. Separating out kids removed an opportunity for kids to be respectful of others. And humanizing the other sex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were never separated in Fairfax County, in the late 80s and early 90s.

When did that start??

Where I went to school, we were separated.

Coed sex ed? Mortifying.

Not really. I had coed sex ed back in the 80s. It’s no big deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Y’all have GOT to join 2022. EVERYONE has a gender identity. Even you!! Even your kids! You just act as if they don’t because their gender identity aligns with their sex. But they have peers whose identities do not, and it’s good to learn what that means so they can be aware and respectful. It’s good if kids have language for identity and body parts and functions and it’s good if girls know what goes on in boy bodies and it DAMN sure is about time boys know what goes on in girl bodies. Can’t believe anyone would have an issue with this , grow up.

They learn both sexes. So you're objection is moot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We were never separated in Fairfax County, in the late 80s and early 90s.

When did that start??

My husband went to FCPS ES in the 90’s and he said boys/girls were separated. I asked his opinion on this matter and he agreed ES students should not be mixed. Middle/High is different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were never separated in Fairfax County, in the late 80s and early 90s.

When did that start??

Where I went to school, we were separated.

Coed sex ed? Mortifying.

Not really. I had coed sex ed back in the 80s. It’s no big deal.

In ES? Most Sex Ed happens in high schools. I am from the NorthEast and we did not have this type of instruction in 4-6th grade. Started in health class in 8-12.

[Anonymous]

FCPS absolutely separated boys and girls in the 90s even in high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We were never separated in Fairfax County, in the late 80s and early 90s.

When did that start??

We were separated at my FCPS elementary in the late 80s.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FLE instruction is not just body changes. Here are the 5 major lessons in grade 6.

1- Girl’s Body Parts, Puberty, Menstruation
2- Boy’s Body Parts and Puberty
3- Human Reproduction- Stages of Pregnancy and Delivery included!
4- Sexually Transmitted Infections
5- Abstinence and Saying No to Risky Behavior

None of which necessitates they be separate. Girls learn about boy bodies, boys learn about girls bodies. That’s great because pregnancy requires both, so both are involved. STI come from both. Abstinence only works is both agree so both should learn about it together. They should add in consent and withdrawn consent while they’re at it. Either way - none of this demands they learn if separated by sex.

Except the concerns and questions are different. Again, unless you gave taught FLE to 6th graders- you have no idea how difficult it can be. I could not get through the lessons without stopping multiple times because the boys could not handle it without laughing. The girls did not have this issue. Maturity levels of boys/girls are different.

Ok. And? It will be helpful for boys to see the girls behaving maturely. They get all lord of the flies if you separate them from civilized people.

No it won’t. The girls will just sit there in silence and the boys will continue acting like fools. Have you been inside an upper ES class lately?

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