4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I haven't read each and every page, but I'm in support of FCPS change...

The concern about where a trans student would go is real. If you send them with their biological sex you out them as trans. If you send them with their gender identity they miss info about what will happen to their body. Don't out kids. Rule number 1.

Second, inclusive sex ed is important as LGBTQ+ youth are more likely to be at risk of teen pregnancy (yes, really) and STIs because they tune out when they think sex ed is just for straight kids.

ES FLE is more about puberty that sex ed and puberty is still dependent biology not gender

Yes, but if you put a child who for all intents and purposes identifies as a girl (and is known as a girl) with boys because that is her anatomy, do you not see how you've just outed that child? That's the point. Let everyone get the information they need without putting them in an unsafe environment.

And, frankly, I think it would be helpful if more boys understood mensuration.

Then let kids go where they identify. Why is there a need to destroy anywhere that girls can feel comfortable asking questions without boys present?

+1,000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read each and every page, but I'm in support of FCPS change...

The concern about where a trans student would go is real. If you send them with their biological sex you out them as trans. If you send them with their gender identity they miss info about what will happen to their body. Don't out kids. Rule number 1.

Second, inclusive sex ed is important as LGBTQ+ youth are more likely to be at risk of teen pregnancy (yes, really) and STIs because they tune out when they think sex ed is just for straight kids.

So FCPS is now making policies for trans kids that hurt 99% of other kids. Nice. Trans kids can opt out of FLE since they are confused about their biology already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Y’all have GOT to join 2022. EVERYONE has a gender identity. Even you!! Even your kids! You just act as if they don’t because their gender identity aligns with their sex. But they have peers whose identities do not, and it’s good to learn what that means so they can be aware and respectful. It’s good if kids have language for identity and body parts and functions and it’s good if girls know what goes on in boy bodies and it DAMN sure is about time boys know what goes on in girl bodies. Can’t believe anyone would have an issue with this , grow up.

Yeah, I thought they spent a long time convincing everyone that sex and gender are separate and divisible. Then the moment the general public starts to get onboard with that, they pivot to saying that sex and gender are the same thing and are changeable, as easily changed as changing your pronouns.

We're having trouble keeping up.

[Anonymous]

No, “the concern” is we don’t want any kids to have toxic relationships. Why do you feel the need to genderize everything?

Are you kidding me? Someone concerned about girls' development and well being is the one genderizing everything? How about the people reducing EVERYONE to their gender identity and pronouns?

Here is the reality. People who are biologically female--call them women or girls, whatever you want--have a different experience of the world for various reasons, whether it be hormones or biology or gender stereotypes or the very real possibility of pregnancy and rape. Societal expectations for female behavior are different. Ask anyone who has lived as a woman, trans women included (I'm thinking of the PhD scientist who has described the difference in how she was treated as male vs. female). Relationships between girls are different as a result of these societal expectations. The trans movement cannot undo the decades of research about relational aggression among girls, or how girls lose confidence between 8 and 13, or how girls and women are treated in the classroom and workplace if they are opinionated and outspoken. But these things don't matter anymore. This is what we mean when we say that concerns about girls' development have been entirely superseded by trans issues. It's actually incredibly misogynistic, because it's largely about the concerns and rights of of MTF individuals who demand to be recognized as female, but it's misogyny in a progressive disguise so I guess it is okay.

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Girls don't matter anymore. Who would have thought it would be the left to discount them?

I had the same thought yesterday. My daughters and I watched Mean Girls yesterday afternoon, which was based on the book Queen Bees and Wannabes, and I remembered all of the books that were dedicated to developing girls and making sure they don't form toxic friendships and lose confidence. That concern is gone.

+1 it’s all about trans kids now.

But if it is about trans kids then same sex relationships should also be discussed. I am all for including a kid to wherever they feel more comfortable but changing all of this is wrong. In ES, there are very few trans kids or kids already transitioning. There is no reason to change this and I plan on writing my school board members from the perspective of a teacher who has taught FLE for 12 years.

Why do relationships need to be discussed? I recall talking about procreation between men and women not really relationship talk. Since same sex couples don't procreate, what is there to discuss?

It’s a reasonable question for any curious kid. Why wouldn’t it be discussed?

Because it has nothing to do with bodily changes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Y’all have GOT to join 2022. EVERYONE has a gender identity. Even you!! Even your kids! You just act as if they don’t because their gender identity aligns with their sex. But they have peers whose identities do not, and it’s good to learn what that means so they can be aware and respectful. It’s good if kids have language for identity and body parts and functions and it’s good if girls know what goes on in boy bodies and it DAMN sure is about time boys know what goes on in girl bodies. Can’t believe anyone would have an issue with this , grow up.

No I don’t identify as a woman, I am a woman.

It’s both. You say “I am a woman” and that’s important to you because it is PART OF YOUR IDENTITY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read each and every page, but I'm in support of FCPS change...

The concern about where a trans student would go is real. If you send them with their biological sex you out them as trans. If you send them with their gender identity they miss info about what will happen to their body. Don't out kids. Rule number 1.

Second, inclusive sex ed is important as LGBTQ+ youth are more likely to be at risk of teen pregnancy (yes, really) and STIs because they tune out when they think sex ed is just for straight kids.

So FCPS is now making policies for trans kids that hurt 99% of other kids. Nice. Trans kids can opt out of FLE since they are confused about their biology already.

This is not hurting any kids. It’s hurting their incredibly immature and cloistered parents. Some of you need FLE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read each and every page, but I'm in support of FCPS change...

The concern about where a trans student would go is real. If you send them with their biological sex you out them as trans. If you send them with their gender identity they miss info about what will happen to their body. Don't out kids. Rule number 1.

Second, inclusive sex ed is important as LGBTQ+ youth are more likely to be at risk of teen pregnancy (yes, really) and STIs because they tune out when they think sex ed is just for straight kids.

So FCPS is now making policies for trans kids that hurt 99% of other kids. Nice. Trans kids can opt out of FLE since they are confused about their biology already.

This is not hurting any kids. It’s hurting their incredibly immature and cloistered parents. Some of you need FLE.

Do you have a fifth grade girl? Are they comfortable discussing their body's changes with a room full of boys? It's bad enough when it's just the girls, now you want them to have a bunch of fifth grade boys in the classroom?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't read each and every page, but I'm in support of FCPS change...

The concern about where a trans student would go is real. If you send them with their biological sex you out them as trans. If you send them with their gender identity they miss info about what will happen to their body. Don't out kids. Rule number 1.

Second, inclusive sex ed is important as LGBTQ+ youth are more likely to be at risk of teen pregnancy (yes, really) and STIs because they tune out when they think sex ed is just for straight kids.

So FCPS is now making policies for trans kids that hurt 99% of other kids. Nice. Trans kids can opt out of FLE since they are confused about their biology already.

This is not hurting any kids. It’s hurting their incredibly immature and cloistered parents. Some of you need FLE.

Do you have a fifth grade girl? Are they comfortable discussing their body's changes with a room full of boys? It's bad enough when it's just the girls, now you want them to have a bunch of fifth grade boys in the classroom?

I have two girls. Rising 3rd and 7th graders. Number one, they aren’t comfortable in FLE as it is. Kids are always grossed out and embarrassed but it’s necessary they learn it anyway. Second, YES. I want BOYS who will one day want to have sex with my daughters and who they might one day marry and have kids with to have a basic understanding of THEIR bodies too. Way way too many boys grow up never considering or thinking or learning anything about a woman’s body which is why we have old grown men trying to legislate abortion without even understanding how a pregnancy is calculated by last menstrual period. So yeah. Put them all in there to learn this stuff together. They can handle it. You’re the one who can’t, which is embarrassing for you.

[Anonymous]

FLE instruction is not just body changes. Here are the 5 major lessons in grade 6.

1- Girl’s Body Parts, Puberty, Menstruation
2- Boy’s Body Parts and Puberty
3- Human Reproduction- Stages of Pregnancy and Delivery included!
4- Sexually Transmitted Infections
5- Abstinence and Saying No to Risky Behavior

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FLE instruction is not just body changes. Here are the 5 major lessons in grade 6.

1- Girl’s Body Parts, Puberty, Menstruation
2- Boy’s Body Parts and Puberty
3- Human Reproduction- Stages of Pregnancy and Delivery included!
4- Sexually Transmitted Infections
5- Abstinence and Saying No to Risky Behavior

None of which necessitates they be separate. Girls learn about boy bodies, boys learn about girls bodies. That’s great because pregnancy requires both, so both are involved. STI come from both. Abstinence only works is both agree so both should learn about it together. They should add in consent and withdrawn consent while they’re at it. Either way - none of this demands they learn if separated by sex.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FLE instruction is not just body changes. Here are the 5 major lessons in grade 6.

1- Girl’s Body Parts, Puberty, Menstruation
2- Boy’s Body Parts and Puberty
3- Human Reproduction- Stages of Pregnancy and Delivery included!
4- Sexually Transmitted Infections
5- Abstinence and Saying No to Risky Behavior

None of which necessitates they be separate. Girls learn about boy bodies, boys learn about girls bodies. That’s great because pregnancy requires both, so both are involved. STI come from both. Abstinence only works is both agree so both should learn about it together. They should add in consent and withdrawn consent while they’re at it. Either way - none of this demands they learn if separated by sex.

Except the concerns and questions are different. Again, unless you gave taught FLE to 6th graders- you have no idea how difficult it can be. I could not get through the lessons without stopping multiple times because the boys could not handle it without laughing. The girls did not have this issue. Maturity levels of boys/girls are different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FLE instruction is not just body changes. Here are the 5 major lessons in grade 6.

1- Girl’s Body Parts, Puberty, Menstruation
2- Boy’s Body Parts and Puberty
3- Human Reproduction- Stages of Pregnancy and Delivery included!
4- Sexually Transmitted Infections
5- Abstinence and Saying No to Risky Behavior

None of which necessitates they be separate. Girls learn about boy bodies, boys learn about girls bodies. That’s great because pregnancy requires both, so both are involved. STI come from both. Abstinence only works is both agree so both should learn about it together. They should add in consent and withdrawn consent while they’re at it. Either way - none of this demands they learn if separated by sex.

Except the concerns and questions are different. Again, unless you gave taught FLE to 6th graders- you have no idea how difficult it can be. I could not get through the lessons without stopping multiple times because the boys could not handle it without laughing. The girls did not have this issue. Maturity levels of boys/girls are different.

+1 The idea of joining boys and and girls in FLE in Elem is ludicrous. How do we make our opinion known to this idiotic board?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No, “the concern” is we don’t want any kids to have toxic relationships. Why do you feel the need to genderize everything?

Are you kidding me? Someone concerned about girls' development and well being is the one genderizing everything? How about the people reducing EVERYONE to their gender identity and pronouns?

Here is the reality. People who are biologically female--call them women or girls, whatever you want--have a different experience of the world for various reasons, whether it be hormones or biology or gender stereotypes or the very real possibility of pregnancy and rape. Societal expectations for female behavior are different. Ask anyone who has lived as a woman, trans women included (I'm thinking of the PhD scientist who has described the difference in how she was treated as male vs. female). Relationships between girls are different as a result of these societal expectations. The trans movement cannot undo the decades of research about relational aggression among girls, or how girls lose confidence between 8 and 13, or how girls and women are treated in the classroom and workplace if they are opinionated and outspoken. But these things don't matter anymore. This is what we mean when we say that concerns about girls' development have been entirely superseded by trans issues. It's actually incredibly misogynistic, because it's largely about the concerns and rights of of MTF individuals who demand to be recognized as female, but it's misogyny in a progressive disguise so I guess it is okay.

+1,000

[Anonymous]

Following the FCPS School Board meeting last week, and based on the personal testimony of some of its members, it’s clear that they are personally invested in gender indoctrination. For this reason, it is comforting to see teachers posting here that, unlike their activist colleagues, they are not comfortable with the proposed changes affecting our kids. Thank you for speaking up!

FCPS needs to fully disclose to its constituents what consulting businesses or any other third parties are involved in this new approach to teaching sex education through the FLE lessons seeking to involve younger students and contemplating no longer separating them by sex when covering explicit contents.

And, are these third parties profiting in any way from indoctrinating our kids on gender confusion? Also, why is it that FCPS, no longer content with having already fully integrated their radical agenda in all areas of learning, now aims to have the FLE lessons/ Sex Ed to be taught to much younger students without separating them in two groups to address developmental changes according to their respective sex? Last, are these new lessons expected to be taught by teachers or by third parties?

For full transparency, this disclosure needs to be sent to each FCPS family via email and by regular mail, translated in all languages represented in the schools, and with a detailed lesson contents per grade for parents to decide if they want their kids to participate. If they do, then they should be asked to fill out forms to Opt-In, exactly the same way we do for field trips because school staff ensures students have signed consent from a parent or guardian before participating. Unfortunately, Opt-out forms are not collected nor followed through with the same level of efficiency. It is for this reason that Opt-Out forms for FLE lessons and Sex Ed are not the best way to go about it since they are not inclusive of those families where English is not fully understood by the parents who need to consent their kids’ participation, or are rather deceiving in that they don’t represent those families that have no access to the internet. Unfortunately, kids from these families are the most affected by the gender activism at schools without the knowledge or consent of their parents or guardians.

Proactive steps to ensure parental knowledge and consent will save taxpayers a fortune, which otherwise will go to continue enriching law firms hired to defend the activists at the school board from being rightly sued. Most importantly, they will protect students by treating them with the dignity and respect they - and their families - deserve.