SCOTUS: oral arguments for Dobbs v. Jackson (MS abortion case)

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HRC knew what was up. She’s a smart woman but we know what this country does with smart women. 😒

Yup. Here we are.

Yep, here we are. We got gaslighted by “liberal” men and Bernie supporters and here we are. Because “Hillary is the same as Trump only worse.” Screw all you third party voters. You didn’t get the message in 2000, you failed to get it in 2016 and you just barely got it in 2020. So here we sit with women poised to become second class citizens.

Or Supreme Court judges who just had to hold on to that position until the "right" person was in office.

[Anonymous]

Roe is dead and women will die and maybe just maybe if enough white working class/middle class women die it will be again legal. Terrible to say, but the best chance of abortion staying legal would be wealthy Republican women dying - like the facts of the Women in Ireland above. Getting too sick to flee to a jurisdiction where they could get an abortion. It feels terrible, but that is the truth.

Only when the lack of abortion access kills sufficient numbers of white middle class/upper class women will things change. And part of me hopes it will be the daughters and granddaughters of the people in power who vote for these laws and/or uphold them in court. If they had to be only ones to pay the price of our theocracy in waiting, they would change their tune.

And can someone please start outing Republican families who have had abortions abs at how many weeks - including mistresses. Course the public has a right to know about these criminals. Let them please reap some of what they sow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Roe is dead and women will die and maybe just maybe if enough white working class/middle class women die it will be again legal. Terrible to say, but the best chance of abortion staying legal would be wealthy Republican women dying - like the facts of the Women in Ireland above. Getting too sick to flee to a jurisdiction where they could get an abortion. It feels terrible, but that is the truth.

Only when the lack of abortion access kills sufficient numbers of white middle class/upper class women will things change. And part of me hopes it will be the daughters and granddaughters of the people in power who vote for these laws and/or uphold them in court. If they had to be only ones to pay the price of our theocracy in waiting, they would change their tune.

And can someone please start outing Republican families who have had abortions abs at how many weeks - including mistresses. Course the public has a right to know about these criminals. Let them please reap some of what they sow.

By the time people with means and power suffer any consequences for their hypocrisy it will be far too late. We need to pack the court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Roe is dead and women will die and maybe just maybe if enough white working class/middle class women die it will be again legal. Terrible to say, but the best chance of abortion staying legal would be wealthy Republican women dying - like the facts of the Women in Ireland above. Getting too sick to flee to a jurisdiction where they could get an abortion. It feels terrible, but that is the truth.

Only when the lack of abortion access kills sufficient numbers of white middle class/upper class women will things change. And part of me hopes it will be the daughters and granddaughters of the people in power who vote for these laws and/or uphold them in court. If they had to be only ones to pay the price of our theocracy in waiting, they would change their tune.

And can someone please start outing Republican families who have had abortions abs at how many weeks - including mistresses. Course the public has a right to know about these criminals. Let them please reap some of what they sow.

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It’s horrible, but it’s the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Roe is dead and women will die and maybe just maybe if enough white working class/middle class women die it will be again legal. Terrible to say, but the best chance of abortion staying legal would be wealthy Republican women dying - like the facts of the Women in Ireland above. Getting too sick to flee to a jurisdiction where they could get an abortion. It feels terrible, but that is the truth.

Only when the lack of abortion access kills sufficient numbers of white middle class/upper class women will things change. And part of me hopes it will be the daughters and granddaughters of the people in power who vote for these laws and/or uphold them in court. If they had to be only ones to pay the price of our theocracy in waiting, they would change their tune.

And can someone please start outing Republican families who have had abortions abs at how many weeks - including mistresses. Course the public has a right to know about these criminals. Let them please reap some of what they sow.

My very catholic, ultra right wing mother in law forced her daughter to have a late abortion and forever hated her daughter for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will never forget the case that changed Ireland's views on abortion and it was less than 10 years ago. I just remember it was a woman who was 17 weeks pregnant. Something came up later in the pregnancy and the only way she was going to survive was to have an abortion. Being Ireland, she couldn't get it. She did die week later, and of course the fetus died too. How many times will the US go through things like that to decide "yeah, perhaps an abortion is needed more in the medical sense than we thought".

Yup and it just happened in Poland too. There were huge protests and the government basically said, whoops, we didn’t mean it to turn out that way. Oh well. We’ll pray about it. Sorry she’s dead.

And too many women just don’t care, because they’re worried about CRT or some other made up bull to protect the rights of poor women and girls. Maybe when NoVa white women finally find their healthcare impacted in our newly red state, they will wake the hell up.

I’ll say it again: women need to vote 100% pro choice, i.e., in recognition that we are people. There is no “pro-life” vote, there is only a forced-birth, anti-woman vote.

And yet we’ve got a lot of Aunt Lydia’s out there who don’t care, and see it’s to their benefit to subjugate the rest of us.

Even Aunt Lydia got wise in the second book. We need to vote as one: a group that understands that our rights are under attack. The GOP zombie only exists because women still vote for them, for the slimmest of reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will never forget the case that changed Ireland's views on abortion and it was less than 10 years ago. I just remember it was a woman who was 17 weeks pregnant. Something came up later in the pregnancy and the only way she was going to survive was to have an abortion. Being Ireland, she couldn't get it. She did die week later, and of course the fetus died too. How many times will the US go through things like that to decide "yeah, perhaps an abortion is needed more in the medical sense than we thought".

Yup and it just happened in Poland too. There were huge protests and the government basically said, whoops, we didn’t mean it to turn out that way. Oh well. We’ll pray about it. Sorry she’s dead.

And too many women just don’t care, because they’re worried about CRT or some other made up bull to protect the rights of poor women and girls. Maybe when NoVa white women finally find their healthcare impacted in our newly red state, they will wake the hell up.

I’ll say it again: women need to vote 100% pro choice, i.e., in recognition that we are people. There is no “pro-life” vote, there is only a forced-birth, anti-woman vote.

And yet we’ve got a lot of Aunt Lydia’s out there who don’t care, and see it’s to their benefit to subjugate the rest of us.

Even Aunt Lydia got wise in the second book. We need to vote as one: a group that understands that our rights are under attack. The GOP zombie only exists because women still vote for them, for the slimmest of reasons.

It was just a book. Real life Lydia’s don’t change, there is no happy ending. We need allies, women and men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

HRC knew what was up. She’s a smart woman but we know what this country does with smart women. 😒

Yup. Here we are.

Yep, here we are. We got gaslighted by “liberal” men and Bernie supporters and here we are. Because “Hillary is the same as Trump only worse.” Screw all you third party voters. You didn’t get the message in 2000, you failed to get it in 2016 and you just barely got it in 2020. So here we sit with women poised to become second class citizens.

+1 Here’s another prominent Bernie supporter who voted for Jill Stein.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

HRC knew what was up. She’s a smart woman but we know what this country does with smart women. 😒

Yup. Here we are.

Yep, here we are. We got gaslighted by “liberal” men and Bernie supporters and here we are. Because “Hillary is the same as Trump only worse.” Screw all you third party voters. You didn’t get the message in 2000, you failed to get it in 2016 and you just barely got it in 2020. So here we sit with women poised to become second class citizens.

+1 Here’s another prominent Bernie supporter who voted for Jill Stein.

I swear she is one of the people who made me so despise Bernie and his supporters. And I should LOVE Bernie! I really am exactly who should love him. I've come to like him a lot more since people like Briana Joy Joy aren't in the public eye anymore telling us why we're awful people for wanting normie electable non-socialists to run for office. Ya know, for things like protecting the Sup Ct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Roe is dead and women will die and maybe just maybe if enough white working class/middle class women die it will be again legal. Terrible to say, but the best chance of abortion staying legal would be wealthy Republican women dying - like the facts of the Women in Ireland above. Getting too sick to flee to a jurisdiction where they could get an abortion. It feels terrible, but that is the truth.

Only when the lack of abortion access kills sufficient numbers of white middle class/upper class women will things change. And part of me hopes it will be the daughters and granddaughters of the people in power who vote for these laws and/or uphold them in court. If they had to be only ones to pay the price of our theocracy in waiting, they would change their tune.

And can someone please start outing Republican families who have had abortions abs at how many weeks - including mistresses. Course the public has a right to know about these criminals. Let them please reap some of what they sow.

People with money will travel to other states for an abortion. GOP leadership will only support change if one-issue pro-life voters start voting dem or stop voting altogether.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Roe is dead and women will die and maybe just maybe if enough white working class/middle class women die it will be again legal. Terrible to say, but the best chance of abortion staying legal would be wealthy Republican women dying - like the facts of the Women in Ireland above. Getting too sick to flee to a jurisdiction where they could get an abortion. It feels terrible, but that is the truth.

Only when the lack of abortion access kills sufficient numbers of white middle class/upper class women will things change. And part of me hopes it will be the daughters and granddaughters of the people in power who vote for these laws and/or uphold them in court. If they had to be only ones to pay the price of our theocracy in waiting, they would change their tune.

And can someone please start outing Republican families who have had abortions abs at how many weeks - including mistresses. Course the public has a right to know about these criminals. Let them please reap some of what they sow.

People with money will travel to other states for an abortion. GOP leadership will only support change if one-issue pro-life voters start voting dem or stop voting altogether.

No, she's right though. Of course women with money can go travel to get abortions and will. But what happened in Ireland was a pretty white woman who was married and wanted her baby had complications and the hospital couldn't help her. PR nightmare, law changed. That is what will happen at some point.

Give it a few years...some white married named Maddie will be in a red state excited about baby #3 and something will go wrong....BOOM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Roe is dead and women will die and maybe just maybe if enough white working class/middle class women die it will be again legal. Terrible to say, but the best chance of abortion staying legal would be wealthy Republican women dying - like the facts of the Women in Ireland above. Getting too sick to flee to a jurisdiction where they could get an abortion. It feels terrible, but that is the truth.

Only when the lack of abortion access kills sufficient numbers of white middle class/upper class women will things change. And part of me hopes it will be the daughters and granddaughters of the people in power who vote for these laws and/or uphold them in court. If they had to be only ones to pay the price of our theocracy in waiting, they would change their tune.

And can someone please start outing Republican families who have had abortions abs at how many weeks - including mistresses. Course the public has a right to know about these criminals. Let them please reap some of what they sow.

People with money will travel to other states for an abortion. GOP leadership will only support change if one-issue pro-life voters start voting dem or stop voting altogether.

No, she's right though. Of course women with money can go travel to get abortions and will. But what happened in Ireland was a pretty white woman who was married and wanted her baby had complications and the hospital couldn't help her. PR nightmare, law changed. That is what will happen at some point.

Give it a few years...some white married named Maddie will be in a red state excited about baby #3 and something will go wrong....BOOM.

Oh sorry - I just realized Savita wasn't white. But she was an attractive and educated woman who wasn't seeking an abortion, but experiencing a miscarriage at 17 weeks and was denied help.

[Anonymous]

Characterizing women who are anti-abortion as "Aunt Lydias" is not exactly going to win hearts and minds. My mother is anti-abortion and her beliefs are sincere. A lot of it is ignorance about what it actually means in practice to make abortion illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Characterizing women who are anti-abortion as "Aunt Lydias" is not exactly going to win hearts and minds. My mother is anti-abortion and her beliefs are sincere. A lot of it is ignorance about what it actually means in practice to make abortion illegal.

With due respect to your mother, participating in the reproductive oppression of other women is very correctly characterized as Aunt Lydia. If that upsets her she needs to consider whether the shoe might fit, not wring her hands about how her feelings are hurt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will never forget the case that changed Ireland's views on abortion and it was less than 10 years ago. I just remember it was a woman who was 17 weeks pregnant. Something came up later in the pregnancy and the only way she was going to survive was to have an abortion. Being Ireland, she couldn't get it. She did die week later, and of course the fetus died too. How many times will the US go through things like that to decide "yeah, perhaps an abortion is needed more in the medical sense than we thought".

Yup and it just happened in Poland too. There were huge protests and the government basically said, whoops, we didn’t mean it to turn out that way. Oh well. We’ll pray about it. Sorry she’s dead.

And too many women just don’t care, because they’re worried about CRT or some other made up bull to protect the rights of poor women and girls. Maybe when NoVa white women finally find their healthcare impacted in our newly red state, they will wake the hell up.

I’ll say it again: women need to vote 100% pro choice, i.e., in recognition that we are people. There is no “pro-life” vote, there is only a forced-birth, anti-woman vote.

And yet we’ve got a lot of Aunt Lydia’s out there who don’t care, and see it’s to their benefit to subjugate the rest of us.

Even Aunt Lydia got wise in the second book. We need to vote as one: a group that understands that our rights are under attack. The GOP zombie only exists because women still vote for them, for the slimmest of reasons.

It was just a book. Real life Lydia’s don’t change, there is no happy ending. We need allies, women and men.

They do change but only when their daughter tells them their desperately wished for grandson has genetic abnormalities inconsistent with life.

Ask me how I know