2022 US News Best National Universities

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Anonymous wrote:People who defend the HYPSM acronym with yield rates, “daring” Columbia to change to SCEA and have a 70% yield rate is beyond insufferable. This is a typical chicken-or-egg fallacy that they use so it’s impossible for any school to join the acronym.

They believe that what separates HYPSM from the rest is their SCEA program and 70% yield rate. In other words, they believe that popular schools among laymen should be considered the best schools.

If you’re a high school student and you got into both Princeton and Columbia, chances are you are going to choose Princeton because it’s a “HYPSM school.” But since HYPSM is a term that is based on popularity, it creates a never ending cycle of reinforcing the HYPSM distinction.

The problem lies in that HYPSM was constructed out of measuring popularity through yield rates and early action programs. As long as those insufferable people don’t consider the academics of the schools, there would be no way for any school to join the HYPSM acronym.

So, please disregard any argument that uses yield rates to distinguish which school is better over another.

Princeton vs. Columbia is a tough choice. NYC is amazing especially for young people.

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Isn’t it like 80-20% Princeton for cross-admits?

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Anonymous wrote:People who defend the HYPSM acronym with yield rates, “daring” Columbia to change to SCEA and have a 70% yield rate is beyond insufferable. This is a typical chicken-or-egg fallacy that they use so it’s impossible for any school to join the acronym.

They believe that what separates HYPSM from the rest is their SCEA program and 70% yield rate. In other words, they believe that popular schools among laymen should be considered the best schools.

If you’re a high school student and you got into both Princeton and Columbia, chances are you are going to choose Princeton because it’s a “HYPSM school.” But since HYPSM is a term that is based on popularity, it creates a never ending cycle of reinforcing the HYPSM distinction.

The problem lies in that HYPSM was constructed out of measuring popularity through yield rates and early action programs. As long as those insufferable people don’t consider the academics of the schools, there would be no way for any school to join the HYPSM acronym.

So, please disregard any argument that uses yield rates to distinguish which school is better over another.

Princeton vs. Columbia is a tough choice. NYC is amazing especially for young people.

Also the core curriculum, though some resent it, provides a comprehensive knowledge in the western literature, philosophy, and art that cannot be replicated at other schools. The top level graduate schools, which Princeton lacks, are resources that undergraduates at Columbia can utilize as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it like 80-20% Princeton for cross-admits?

Students who had Columbia as their first choice would have applied ED, so it’s hard to make much out of the cross-admit data.

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Everyone and their mother on DCUM appears to have gone to HYP. They all seem outraged that the top tier is not sacrosanct

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Anonymous wrote:So do you all seriously think that Columbia is now a "better" school than it was last year just because of the ranking shuffle?



All of these schools that go up or down a few spots are essentially the same schools that they were a year ago.

It was 3 last year tied with Yale, it's 2 now tied with Harvard.

It ranked higher than Yale last year, where Columbia was 3rd without any ties. Yale and MIT were tied for 4th.

I’m not sure why people are freaking out about Columbia’s ranking. It has always been considered a top Ivy except on DCUM for some reason. I work in finance and when we recruit we consider Columbia on par with Harvard, Princeton, Yale.

I agree 100%. Columbia is one of the very few schools, besides Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, and Penn/Wharton, where the elite hedge funds and private equity firms recruit kids straight out of undergrad without the need of doing a MBA or spending 2 years grinding in IB. Top notch school for finance.

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None of this matters.

I went to a no name school for undergrad and did my PhD at MIT.

It really didn't matter all that much where I went to undergrad. Successful people will be successful no matter what. It really wasn't such a big deal to go to an ivy where I grew up, and the period of time when I went to college. The hyper focus on some of these schools, which is a byproduct of these college rankings, is stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:Going forward, HYPSM is now CHYPSM.

CHYMPS

Lol. To really have a head-on competition with HYMPS for students, Columbia needs to have the balls to drop that ED protection and switch to SCEA admission like a real HYMPS caliber does. Then we will see

I very much doubt that Columbia cares what you think about their ED. It is clearly working for them.

Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia all have early decision/early action programs. I think Stanford and MIT do as well.

Don't believe what you read on DCUM. A lot of messed-up people with inferiority complexes.

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Anonymous wrote:Going forward, HYPSM is now CHYPSM.

CHYMPS

Lol. To really have a head-on competition with HYMPS for students, Columbia needs to have the balls to drop that ED protection and switch to SCEA admission like a real HYMPS caliber does. Then we will see

I very much doubt that Columbia cares what you think about their ED. It is clearly working for them.

Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia all have early decision/early action programs. I think Stanford and MIT do as well.

Don't believe what you read on DCUM. A lot of messed-up people with inferiority complexes.

I agree. There are a lot of Bozos who write on this forum, who have no idea what they are talking about and just mouth off with fake information to make themselves feel better.

here are the statistics of a number of these colleges, Randall have early admit programs. So, ignore the stupid idiot who says Columbia should scarp the ED program. The person is a loser who has knowledge of anything in education, let alone a sense of integrity. Columbia and the others are all doing fine.

Overall Acceptance Early Round Acceptance Regular Decision Acceptance
Class of 2025 Admit Applied % Admit Applied % Admit Applied %
Dartmouth 1,749 28,357 6.17 566 2,664 21.25 1,183 25,693 4.60
Princeton 1,498 37,601 3.98 NA NA NA NA NA NA
Brown 2,537 46,568 5.45 885 5,540 15.97 1,652 41,028 4.03
Yale 2,169 46,905 4.62 837 7,939 10.54 1,332 38,966 3.42
Penn 3,202 56,333 5.68 1,194 7,962 15.00 2,008 48,371 4.15
Harvard 1,968 57,435 3.43 747 10,086 7.41 1,221 47,349 2.58
Columbia 2,218 60,551 3.66 650 6,435 10.10 1,568 54,116 2.90
Cornell 5,836 67,000 8.71 NA NA NA

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Anonymous wrote:I think the really 'top of top' colleges are Harvard, Stanford and MIT.

Then some gap, then Princeton, Yale, Caltech.

Then some more gap

then Columbia, Chicago, etc.

Move Caltech a notch below. Not really above Columbia or Chicago. It’s not a comprehensive university and in the public eye, generally not as well known.

CalTech is a niche school, don’t belong with ivy schools. It’s like Olympics athletes who are born with skills that the average people can’t compete with. I actually give them less credit than DCUM. It’s like mike Tyson and his destructive punches. I don’t doubt he worked hard, but the gift from God made it that much easier. Likewise, science and math geeks will have an easier time getting into CalTech. USNews for it right to place it below most ivies next to WashU, Vandy, Emory, NU...

Northwestern is an ivy level school. It's better than Cornell Brown, and Dartmouth.

For undergraduate education I'd say Brown and Dartmouth are both better than Northwestern. As a university it's probably a peer of Cornell's.

No, I don't think so. I'd easily put Northwestern up against all three of these schools. Especially Dartmouth and Cornell.

Another one with hang ups : 'easily ' ? 'especially' ? How about notoriously ? hopefully ? insecurely ? woefully ? Northwestern is very good, but please don't overegg the batter !

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Anonymous wrote:I think the really 'top of top' colleges are Harvard, Stanford and MIT.

Then some gap, then Princeton, Yale, Caltech.

Then some more gap

then Columbia, Chicago, etc.

Move Caltech a notch below. Not really above Columbia or Chicago. It’s not a comprehensive university and in the public eye, generally not as well known.

CalTech is a niche school, don’t belong with ivy schools. It’s like Olympics athletes who are born with skills that the average people can’t compete with. I actually give them less credit than DCUM. It’s like mike Tyson and his destructive punches. I don’t doubt he worked hard, but the gift from God made it that much easier. Likewise, science and math geeks will have an easier time getting into CalTech. USNews for it right to place it below most ivies next to WashU, Vandy, Emory, NU...

Northwestern is an ivy level school. It's better than Cornell Brown, and Dartmouth.

How about the adverb : abysmally

Some people who enter here are abysmally insecure and have little going on in terms of their self-esteeem. They need to measure self-worth on the basis of some illusory chart which changes year-t0-year. and is highly limited in number of important features.
For undergraduate education I'd say Brown and Dartmouth are both better than Northwestern. As a university it's probably a peer of Cornell's.

No, I don't think so. I'd easily put Northwestern up against all three of these schools. Especially Dartmouth and Cornell.

Another one with hang ups : 'easily ' ? 'especially' ? How about notoriously ? hopefully ? insecurely ? woefully ? Northwestern is very good, but please don't overegg the batter !

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I expect that people who have graduated from the Best National Universities are healthy, beautiful and successful in their relationships. In fact, if you are divorced after going to one of these prestegious universities then you are a failure.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it like 80-20% Princeton for cross-admits?

The last time i heard of Princeton in the news was when brook shield published her Princeton transcript. That incident caused a scandal because people realized Princeton is a micky mouse University with basket weaving courses. It’s easy to graduate from P with a high GPA. This goes a long way in explaining its popularity.

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Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

We are tiers or whatever but Berkeley and Cornell for undergrad (or otherwise) are not and never been on JHU's level.

Maybe in your mind maybe

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I toured Princeton with my son hoping he would fall in love with it but he hated it. He disliked the suburban feel of it and found it boring. I kept telling him it is rated #1 for undergrad education but he said he didn’t care. He would rather go to a #2, 3,4 or 5 rated school that is more exciting. He is planning to apply ED to Columbia this November. It’s fine if he doesn’t get in as he is excited about some other schools as well. But Princeton has been crossed off his list.