2022 US News Best National Universities

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Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

We are tiers or whatever but Berkeley and Cornell for undergrad (or otherwise) are not and never been on JHU's level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

This announcement was brought to you by the Consumers for College Brand Name Monopoly organization … we don’t care about quality of individual programs, or anything substantive at all, just that the leading college brand names are perpetuated into eternity …

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Anonymous wrote:I think the really 'top of top' colleges are Harvard, Stanford and MIT.

Then some gap, then Princeton, Yale, Caltech.

Then some more gap

then Columbia, Chicago, etc.

Move Caltech a notch below. Not really above Columbia or Chicago. It’s not a comprehensive university and in the public eye, generally not as well known.

CalTech is a niche school, don’t belong with ivy schools. It’s like Olympics athletes who are born with skills that the average people can’t compete with. I actually give them less credit than DCUM. It’s like mike Tyson and his destructive punches. I don’t doubt he worked hard, but the gift from God made it that much easier. Likewise, science and math geeks will have an easier time getting into CalTech. USNews for it right to place it below most ivies next to WashU, Vandy, Emory, NU...

Northwestern is an ivy level school. It's better than Cornell Brown, and Dartmouth.

For undergraduate education I'd say Brown and Dartmouth are both better than Northwestern. As a university it's probably a peer of Cornell's.

I would agree with this.

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Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

This announcement was brought to you by the Consumers for College Brand Name Monopoly organization … we don’t care about quality of individual programs, or anything substantive at all, just that the leading college brand names are perpetuated into eternity …

Good one. And all of this has nothing to do with what students actually learn and mature nor anything to do with whether the universities are wasteful or efficient.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the really 'top of top' colleges are Harvard, Stanford and MIT.

Then some gap, then Princeton, Yale, Caltech.

Then some more gap

then Columbia, Chicago, etc.

Move Caltech a notch below. Not really above Columbia or Chicago. It’s not a comprehensive university and in the public eye, generally not as well known.

CalTech is a niche school, don’t belong with ivy schools. It’s like Olympics athletes who are born with skills that the average people can’t compete with. I actually give them less credit than DCUM. It’s like mike Tyson and his destructive punches. I don’t doubt he worked hard, but the gift from God made it that much easier. Likewise, science and math geeks will have an easier time getting into CalTech. USNews for it right to place it below most ivies next to WashU, Vandy, Emory, NU...

Northwestern is an ivy level school. It's better than Cornell Brown, and Dartmouth.

For undergraduate education I'd say Brown and Dartmouth are both better than Northwestern. As a university it's probably a peer of Cornell's.

No, I don't think so. I'd easily put Northwestern up against all three of these schools. Especially Dartmouth and Cornell.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the really 'top of top' colleges are Harvard, Stanford and MIT.

Then some gap, then Princeton, Yale, Caltech.

Then some more gap

then Columbia, Chicago, etc.

Move Caltech a notch below. Not really above Columbia or Chicago. It’s not a comprehensive university and in the public eye, generally not as well known.

CalTech is a niche school, don’t belong with ivy schools. It’s like Olympics athletes who are born with skills that the average people can’t compete with. I actually give them less credit than DCUM. It’s like mike Tyson and his destructive punches. I don’t doubt he worked hard, but the gift from God made it that much easier. Likewise, science and math geeks will have an easier time getting into CalTech. USNews for it right to place it below most ivies next to WashU, Vandy, Emory, NU...

Northwestern is an ivy level school. It's better than Cornell Brown, and Dartmouth.

For undergraduate education I'd say Brown and Dartmouth are both better than Northwestern. As a university it's probably a peer of Cornell's.

No, I don't think so. I'd easily put Northwestern up against all three of these schools. Especially Dartmouth and Cornell.

OK - if it means a lot to you (my degrees are all from higher ranked schools).

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Anonymous wrote:I think the really 'top of top' colleges are Harvard, Stanford and MIT.

Then some gap, then Princeton, Yale, Caltech.

Then some more gap

then Columbia, Chicago, etc.

Move Caltech a notch below. Not really above Columbia or Chicago. It’s not a comprehensive university and in the public eye, generally not as well known.

CalTech is a niche school, don’t belong with ivy schools. It’s like Olympics athletes who are born with skills that the average people can’t compete with. I actually give them less credit than DCUM. It’s like mike Tyson and his destructive punches. I don’t doubt he worked hard, but the gift from God made it that much easier. Likewise, science and math geeks will have an easier time getting into CalTech. USNews for it right to place it below most ivies next to WashU, Vandy, Emory, NU...

Northwestern is an ivy level school. It's better than Cornell Brown, and Dartmouth.

For undergraduate education I'd say Brown and Dartmouth are both better than Northwestern. As a university it's probably a peer of Cornell's.

No, I don't think so. I'd easily put Northwestern up against all three of these schools. Especially Dartmouth and Cornell.

OK - if it means a lot to you (my degrees are all from higher ranked schools).

Lol. OK? I also have degrees from "higher ranked schools," whatever TF that's supposed to signal. What a weird thing to say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Undergraduate:
Harvard Stanford MIT
Yale Princeton Columbia Caltech
Penn Chicago
Dartmouth Brown Duke Northwestern
Cornell JHU Berkeley

Overall:
Harvard Stanford
MIT Columbia Berkeley
Yale Princeton Caltech
Penn Chicago
Duke Northwestern JHU Cornell

This announcement was brought to you by the Consumers for College Brand Name Monopoly organization … we don’t care about quality of individual programs, or anything substantive at all, just that the leading college brand names are perpetuated into eternity …

Good one. And all of this has nothing to do with what students actually learn and mature nor anything to do with whether the universities are wasteful or efficient.

Agreed … not sure how efficiency could be measured …

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Anonymous wrote:I think the really 'top of top' colleges are Harvard, Stanford and MIT.

Then some gap, then Princeton, Yale, Caltech.

Then some more gap

then Columbia, Chicago, etc.

Move Caltech a notch below. Not really above Columbia or Chicago. It’s not a comprehensive university and in the public eye, generally not as well known.

At what it does it is as good as any school in the world.

The Caltech grads i've met were all superior to those from Columbia or Chicago intellectually

The Caltech grads I've met all transferred to Columbia because they wanted a more lucrative career in finance that Caltech's network is unable to offer.

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Anonymous wrote:So do you all seriously think that Columbia is now a "better" school than it was last year just because of the ranking shuffle?



All of these schools that go up or down a few spots are essentially the same schools that they were a year ago.

It was 3 last year tied with Yale, it's 2 now tied with Harvard.

It ranked higher than Yale last year, where Columbia was 3rd without any ties. Yale and MIT were tied for 4th.

I’m not sure why people are freaking out about Columbia’s ranking. It has always been considered a top Ivy except on DCUM for some reason. I work in finance and when we recruit we consider Columbia on par with Harvard, Princeton, Yale.

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I work in management consulting and when we recruit, we abide by pretty clear-cut tiers.

Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
MIT, Columbia
Chicago, Northwestern, Penn, Dartmouth
Cornell, Hopkins, Duke, Brown
et al

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Anonymous wrote:Just look at yield rates for Columbia, even below Penn and Chicago

This list gives you a general ballpark idea of how schools are ranked. But it doesn't change people's mind much. I guess the Princeton alumni still work at US News. But very few believes Princeton being #1. Its yield rate in the 60% range is the lowest out of HYPSM. No one believes Chicago is tied with Stanford. Duke's yield rate is less than 50%. Few believes Columbia being #2 either. If you want to be in the top 5, you need to get rid of ED and see what your yield rate is with only EA as HYPSM do.

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Almost no one chooses to go to Chicago or Columbia if they think they can be accepted at HYPSM.

We thank you for your expert opinion!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work in management consulting and when we recruit, we abide by pretty clear-cut tiers.

Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford
MIT, Columbia
Chicago, Northwestern, Penn, Dartmouth
Cornell, Hopkins, Duke, Brown
et al

Sounds about right. Columbia is big at McKinsey but less so at Bain or BCG. Very well represented across Tier-2 consulting firms nonetheless.

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Anonymous wrote:So do you all seriously think that Columbia is now a "better" school than it was last year just because of the ranking shuffle?



All of these schools that go up or down a few spots are essentially the same schools that they were a year ago.

It was 3 last year tied with Yale, it's 2 now tied with Harvard.

It ranked higher than Yale last year, where Columbia was 3rd without any ties. Yale and MIT were tied for 4th.

I’m not sure why people are freaking out about Columbia’s ranking. It has always been considered a top Ivy except on DCUM for some reason. I work in finance and when we recruit we consider Columbia on par with Harvard, Princeton, Yale.

Not the big three, but still a top Ivy since the 1900s. Yes, it really shows how narcissist and short-sighted people on this forum can be. I bet most of the bashers don't even have the means to send their kids to Cornell.

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Anonymous wrote:Going forward, HYPSM is now CHYPSM.

CHYMPS

Lol. To really have a head-on competition with HYMPS for students, Columbia needs to have the balls to drop that ED protection and switch to SCEA admission like a real HYMPS caliber does. Then we will see

I very much doubt that Columbia cares what you think about their ED. It is clearly working for them.