Why is Blake Lively so overrated?

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Anonymous wrote:Blake gets pissy when anyone comments on her baby bump in a completely benign way. She did it to Seth Myers too! I think she’s doing the same thing to JB about a lot of this other stuff, like the weight and the porn addiction.

You guys are correct that he could have a pattern of being gross about it, but given that I’ve heard him talk about it in other contexts, and I’ve seen her be a total diva about stuff like this, I think it’s possible he didn’t do anything inappropriate and she’s just piling on to make him look bad.

I am not talking about the intimacy coordinator stuff, which will be easy enough to prove.

I'm failing to see what's wrong with not wanting people to comment on your body in any way or ignoring your boundaries and talking about their kinks and perversions. What happened to decency?

Decency is subjective, which is why everyone can’t agree here. A lot of the stuff she said he said would not bother me in the least. I would have more issue with any sort of gratuitous personal touching and nudity (also subjective—some people may not), but if you want to share you had a porn (or whatever) addiction and it is part of your journey as a human, have at it. It’s not fair to assume everyone has the same boundaries—and it goes both ways.

I agree with this. Adding there is going to be discussions about sex in the context of planning out sex. That’s part of the job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Blake gets pissy when anyone comments on her baby bump in a completely benign way. She did it to Seth Myers too! I think she’s doing the same thing to JB about a lot of this other stuff, like the weight and the porn addiction.

You guys are correct that he could have a pattern of being gross about it, but given that I’ve heard him talk about it in other contexts, and I’ve seen her be a total diva about stuff like this, I think it’s possible he didn’t do anything inappropriate and she’s just piling on to make him look bad.

I am not talking about the intimacy coordinator stuff, which will be easy enough to prove.

I'm failing to see what's wrong with not wanting people to comment on your body in any way or ignoring your boundaries and talking about their kinks and perversions. What happened to decency?

Decency is subjective, which is why everyone can’t agree here. A lot of the stuff she said he said would not bother me in the least. I would have more issue with any sort of gratuitous personal touching and nudity (also subjective—some people may not), but if you want to share you had a porn (or whatever) addiction and it is part of your journey as a human, have at it. It’s not fair to assume everyone has the same boundaries—and it goes both ways.

People don't have the same boundaries which is why when it comes to sex, sexual conversations, discussions of sexual history, and comments on someone's body, you should get consent before proceeding.

And if someone says "I'm not comfortable talking about this" or otherwise indicates you should stop, you should stop.

So you being comfortable with this stuff is irrelevant. Lively and potentially others on set were not comfortable with it, and she alleges that they asked for it to stop and it persisted and in some cases escalated. That's the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Blake gets pissy when anyone comments on her baby bump in a completely benign way. She did it to Seth Myers too! I think she’s doing the same thing to JB about a lot of this other stuff, like the weight and the porn addiction.

You guys are correct that he could have a pattern of being gross about it, but given that I’ve heard him talk about it in other contexts, and I’ve seen her be a total diva about stuff like this, I think it’s possible he didn’t do anything inappropriate and she’s just piling on to make him look bad.

I am not talking about the intimacy coordinator stuff, which will be easy enough to prove.

I'm failing to see what's wrong with not wanting people to comment on your body in any way or ignoring your boundaries and talking about their kinks and perversions. What happened to decency?

Decency is subjective, which is why everyone can’t agree here. A lot of the stuff she said he said would not bother me in the least. I would have more issue with any sort of gratuitous personal touching and nudity (also subjective—some people may not), but if you want to share you had a porn (or whatever) addiction and it is part of your journey as a human, have at it. It’s not fair to assume everyone has the same boundaries—and it goes both ways.

I agree with this. Adding there is going to be discussions about sex in the context of planning out sex. That’s part of the job.

Yes but if the job is to plan out sex scenes, it should be handled professionally. As someone pointed out upthread, you can experience sexual harassment on the set of a porno. It's about consent and respect.

Just because they were filming sex scenes and the movie had sexual content doesn't mean that anyone can say anything about sex, can be asked anything about sex, and you just have to be okay with it. In many cases, the fact that a job involves depictions of sex actually makes it *more* important to be thoughtful about how you have those conversations and make sure that you are getting consent and not being too casual or flippant about it. I think about how in medical settings, people are advised to always use technical terms to describe body parts or discuss things like sexual history because it helps keep those interactions professional even when discussing something intimate or sexual.

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Anonymous wrote: Nah, she complained that he inappropriately called her sexy and he produced a text she sent him in which she made wardrobe choices based on what she said made her look sexier. Her side edited texts or placed them out of context to deliberately change their meaning. She complained that the intimacy coordinator wasn’t involved enough and he produced a text where she refused to meet with the intimacy coordinator at all pre production.

This doesn't make sense to me.

She didn't allege "the intimacy coordinator isn't involved enough." She had specific complaints about the IC not being consulted or present on set for specific scenes that were not written to have nudity or intimacy in them but that Baldoni changed to be nude or more intimate the day of filming. That has nothing to do with whether she met with the IC before filming even started. I also dont' really know how common it is for actors to meet with the IC in pre-production. Is that typical? Typical for a movie like this? For all I know Lively was reasonably annoyed to be asked to participate in pre-production meetings like that. I don't have enough context.

Also the allegations about when he called her sex seem to be talking about different things. In her complaint she alleges that he made comment about her off-set attire and specifically asked her to either take off or open up a coat she was wearing so that he could see her top underneath, and declared it "hot." She says that she told him that this was inappropriate and he said, "sorry, it's sexy -- is that better?" The texts he's produced relate to a discussion of her character's wardrobe. Totally different context.

Not saying her version of events is correct, but nothing he has produced actually refutes the allegations in her complaint. It's more like he's trying to muddy the waters by saying "well see she didn't want to meet with the IC in this other situations so she can't complain about the IC not being on set for a nude scene months later" or "see she used the word sexy in a text conversation with me about clothes so she can't complain about me using that word to refer to her clothes in a totally different situation." It's not persuasive. It would be like if I said my coworker punched me in the head in the conference room and then my coworker produced a video of us two years prior in a bar joking about violence in a movie. Like.... so?

I don’t agree with your reasoning. You cant say you find the word sexy objectionable and then use it freely. That’s evidence you don’t actually find it objectionable. You can’t claim to have deep concerns about the involvement of the intimacy coordinator and planning of intimacy scenes while passing on all preproduction meetings. Actions actually have meaning.

In another note, Jair watched a televised interview clip where Blake talked about giving her one year old a birthday cake shaped like breasts.

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Anonymous wrote: Nah, she complained that he inappropriately called her sexy and he produced a text she sent him in which she made wardrobe choices based on what she said made her look sexier. Her side edited texts or placed them out of context to deliberately change their meaning. She complained that the intimacy coordinator wasn’t involved enough and he produced a text where she refused to meet with the intimacy coordinator at all pre production.

This doesn't make sense to me.

She didn't allege "the intimacy coordinator isn't involved enough." She had specific complaints about the IC not being consulted or present on set for specific scenes that were not written to have nudity or intimacy in them but that Baldoni changed to be nude or more intimate the day of filming. That has nothing to do with whether she met with the IC before filming even started. I also dont' really know how common it is for actors to meet with the IC in pre-production. Is that typical? Typical for a movie like this? For all I know Lively was reasonably annoyed to be asked to participate in pre-production meetings like that. I don't have enough context.

Also the allegations about when he called her sex seem to be talking about different things. In her complaint she alleges that he made comment about her off-set attire and specifically asked her to either take off or open up a coat she was wearing so that he could see her top underneath, and declared it "hot." She says that she told him that this was inappropriate and he said, "sorry, it's sexy -- is that better?" The texts he's produced relate to a discussion of her character's wardrobe. Totally different context.

Not saying her version of events is correct, but nothing he has produced actually refutes the allegations in her complaint. It's more like he's trying to muddy the waters by saying "well see she didn't want to meet with the IC in this other situations so she can't complain about the IC not being on set for a nude scene months later" or "see she used the word sexy in a text conversation with me about clothes so she can't complain about me using that word to refer to her clothes in a totally different situation." It's not persuasive. It would be like if I said my coworker punched me in the head in the conference room and then my coworker produced a video of us two years prior in a bar joking about violence in a movie. Like.... so?

I don’t agree with your reasoning. You cant say you find the word sexy objectionable and then use it freely. That’s evidence you don’t actually find it objectionable. You can’t claim to have deep concerns about the involvement of the intimacy coordinator and planning of intimacy scenes while passing on all preproduction meetings. Actions actually have meaning.

In another note, Jair watched a televised interview clip where Blake talked about giving her one year old a birthday cake shaped like breasts.

I watched a televised interview clip, not sure what autocorrect did there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: Nah, she complained that he inappropriately called her sexy and he produced a text she sent him in which she made wardrobe choices based on what she said made her look sexier. Her side edited texts or placed them out of context to deliberately change their meaning. She complained that the intimacy coordinator wasn’t involved enough and he produced a text where she refused to meet with the intimacy coordinator at all pre production.

Those aren't smoking guns. At all.

Nor did I say they were. But you definitely said “no evidence.”

No evidence that directly refutes her claims.

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Anonymous wrote: Nah, she complained that he inappropriately called her sexy and he produced a text she sent him in which she made wardrobe choices based on what she said made her look sexier. Her side edited texts or placed them out of context to deliberately change their meaning. She complained that the intimacy coordinator wasn’t involved enough and he produced a text where she refused to meet with the intimacy coordinator at all pre production.

This doesn't make sense to me.

She didn't allege "the intimacy coordinator isn't involved enough." She had specific complaints about the IC not being consulted or present on set for specific scenes that were not written to have nudity or intimacy in them but that Baldoni changed to be nude or more intimate the day of filming. That has nothing to do with whether she met with the IC before filming even started. I also dont' really know how common it is for actors to meet with the IC in pre-production. Is that typical? Typical for a movie like this? For all I know Lively was reasonably annoyed to be asked to participate in pre-production meetings like that. I don't have enough context.

Also the allegations about when he called her sex seem to be talking about different things. In her complaint she alleges that he made comment about her off-set attire and specifically asked her to either take off or open up a coat she was wearing so that he could see her top underneath, and declared it "hot." She says that she told him that this was inappropriate and he said, "sorry, it's sexy -- is that better?" The texts he's produced relate to a discussion of her character's wardrobe. Totally different context.

Not saying her version of events is correct, but nothing he has produced actually refutes the allegations in her complaint. It's more like he's trying to muddy the waters by saying "well see she didn't want to meet with the IC in this other situations so she can't complain about the IC not being on set for a nude scene months later" or "see she used the word sexy in a text conversation with me about clothes so she can't complain about me using that word to refer to her clothes in a totally different situation." It's not persuasive. It would be like if I said my coworker punched me in the head in the conference room and then my coworker produced a video of us two years prior in a bar joking about violence in a movie. Like.... so?

I don’t agree with your reasoning. You cant say you find the word sexy objectionable and then use it freely. That’s evidence you don’t actually find it objectionable. You can’t claim to have deep concerns about the involvement of the intimacy coordinator and planning of intimacy scenes while passing on all preproduction meetings. Actions actually have meaning.

In another note, Jair watched a televised interview clip where Blake talked about giving her one year old a birthday cake shaped like breasts.

Your logic makes no sense.

My husband often pats my butt playfully at home. But if I worked with him and he did it at the office, I'd be unhappy about it.

At work, I might say "this project is really beautiful, I love it." But that doesn't mean that if I go to the bar with my colleagues later, it's okay for one of them to come up to me and say "you are really beautiful, I love you" even though we are using many of he same words.

I might joke about how my infant is obsessed with my boobs in a conversation about breastfeeding, but that doesn't mean that anyone who ever wants to come up and discuss my boobs with me can do so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: Nah, she complained that he inappropriately called her sexy and he produced a text she sent him in which she made wardrobe choices based on what she said made her look sexier. Her side edited texts or placed them out of context to deliberately change their meaning. She complained that the intimacy coordinator wasn’t involved enough and he produced a text where she refused to meet with the intimacy coordinator at all pre production.

This doesn't make sense to me.

She didn't allege "the intimacy coordinator isn't involved enough." She had specific complaints about the IC not being consulted or present on set for specific scenes that were not written to have nudity or intimacy in them but that Baldoni changed to be nude or more intimate the day of filming. That has nothing to do with whether she met with the IC before filming even started. I also dont' really know how common it is for actors to meet with the IC in pre-production. Is that typical? Typical for a movie like this? For all I know Lively was reasonably annoyed to be asked to participate in pre-production meetings like that. I don't have enough context.

Also the allegations about when he called her sex seem to be talking about different things. In her complaint she alleges that he made comment about her off-set attire and specifically asked her to either take off or open up a coat she was wearing so that he could see her top underneath, and declared it "hot." She says that she told him that this was inappropriate and he said, "sorry, it's sexy -- is that better?" The texts he's produced relate to a discussion of her character's wardrobe. Totally different context.

Not saying her version of events is correct, but nothing he has produced actually refutes the allegations in her complaint. It's more like he's trying to muddy the waters by saying "well see she didn't want to meet with the IC in this other situations so she can't complain about the IC not being on set for a nude scene months later" or "see she used the word sexy in a text conversation with me about clothes so she can't complain about me using that word to refer to her clothes in a totally different situation." It's not persuasive. It would be like if I said my coworker punched me in the head in the conference room and then my coworker produced a video of us two years prior in a bar joking about violence in a movie. Like.... so?

I don’t agree with your reasoning. You cant say you find the word sexy objectionable and then use it freely. That’s evidence you don’t actually find it objectionable. You can’t claim to have deep concerns about the involvement of the intimacy coordinator and planning of intimacy scenes while passing on all preproduction meetings. Actions actually have meaning.

In another note, Jair watched a televised interview clip where Blake talked about giving her one year old a birthday cake shaped like breasts.

Your logic makes no sense.

My husband often pats my butt playfully at home. But if I worked with him and he did it at the office, I'd be unhappy about it.

At work, I might say "this project is really beautiful, I love it." But that doesn't mean that if I go to the bar with my colleagues later, it's okay for one of them to come up to me and say "you are really beautiful, I love you" even though we are using many of he same words.

I might joke about how my infant is obsessed with my boobs in a conversation about breastfeeding, but that doesn't mean that anyone who ever wants to come up and discuss my boobs with me can do so.

+1 A baby views breasts as a source of food ie non sexual, my male coworker does not and if he's walking in on me breastfeeding I am allowed to be uncomfortable since it's not a picnic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote: Nah, she complained that he inappropriately called her sexy and he produced a text she sent him in which she made wardrobe choices based on what she said made her look sexier. Her side edited texts or placed them out of context to deliberately change their meaning. She complained that the intimacy coordinator wasn’t involved enough and he produced a text where she refused to meet with the intimacy coordinator at all pre production.

This doesn't make sense to me.

She didn't allege "the intimacy coordinator isn't involved enough." She had specific complaints about the IC not being consulted or present on set for specific scenes that were not written to have nudity or intimacy in them but that Baldoni changed to be nude or more intimate the day of filming. That has nothing to do with whether she met with the IC before filming even started. I also dont' really know how common it is for actors to meet with the IC in pre-production. Is that typical? Typical for a movie like this? For all I know Lively was reasonably annoyed to be asked to participate in pre-production meetings like that. I don't have enough context.

Also the allegations about when he called her sex seem to be talking about different things. In her complaint she alleges that he made comment about her off-set attire and specifically asked her to either take off or open up a coat she was wearing so that he could see her top underneath, and declared it "hot." She says that she told him that this was inappropriate and he said, "sorry, it's sexy -- is that better?" The texts he's produced relate to a discussion of her character's wardrobe. Totally different context.

Not saying her version of events is correct, but nothing he has produced actually refutes the allegations in her complaint. It's more like he's trying to muddy the waters by saying "well see she didn't want to meet with the IC in this other situations so she can't complain about the IC not being on set for a nude scene months later" or "see she used the word sexy in a text conversation with me about clothes so she can't complain about me using that word to refer to her clothes in a totally different situation." It's not persuasive. It would be like if I said my coworker punched me in the head in the conference room and then my coworker produced a video of us two years prior in a bar joking about violence in a movie. Like.... so?

I don’t agree with your reasoning. You cant say you find the word sexy objectionable and then use it freely. That’s evidence you don’t actually find it objectionable. You can’t claim to have deep concerns about the involvement of the intimacy coordinator and planning of intimacy scenes while passing on all preproduction meetings. Actions actually have meaning.

In another note, Jair watched a televised interview clip where Blake talked about giving her one year old a birthday cake shaped like breasts.

Your logic makes no sense.

My husband often pats my butt playfully at home. But if I worked with him and he did it at the office, I'd be unhappy about it.

At work, I might say "this project is really beautiful, I love it." But that doesn't mean that if I go to the bar with my colleagues later, it's okay for one of them to come up to me and say "you are really beautiful, I love you" even though we are using many of he same words.

I might joke about how my infant is obsessed with my boobs in a conversation about breastfeeding, but that doesn't mean that anyone who ever wants to come up and discuss my boobs with me can do so.

Your logic is off

If you went on national television and spontaneously offered up to the host that you were making a breast shaped cake for your child, I think it's fair to assume you are comfortable talking about breasts.

If you sent a text to your co worker and said, I am going to wear this suit to the presentation because I look beautiful in it," it would not be inappropriate for the coworker you texted to tell you later that you looked beautiful in the suit.

What your husband playing with your butt at home or at the office has to do with any of this is beyond me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Nah, she complained that he inappropriately called her sexy and he produced a text she sent him in which she made wardrobe choices based on what she said made her look sexier. Her side edited texts or placed them out of context to deliberately change their meaning. She complained that the intimacy coordinator wasn’t involved enough and he produced a text where she refused to meet with the intimacy coordinator at all pre production.

This doesn't make sense to me.

She didn't allege "the intimacy coordinator isn't involved enough." She had specific complaints about the IC not being consulted or present on set for specific scenes that were not written to have nudity or intimacy in them but that Baldoni changed to be nude or more intimate the day of filming. That has nothing to do with whether she met with the IC before filming even started. I also dont' really know how common it is for actors to meet with the IC in pre-production. Is that typical? Typical for a movie like this? For all I know Lively was reasonably annoyed to be asked to participate in pre-production meetings like that. I don't have enough context.

Also the allegations about when he called her sex seem to be talking about different things. In her complaint she alleges that he made comment about her off-set attire and specifically asked her to either take off or open up a coat she was wearing so that he could see her top underneath, and declared it "hot." She says that she told him that this was inappropriate and he said, "sorry, it's sexy -- is that better?" The texts he's produced relate to a discussion of her character's wardrobe. Totally different context.

Not saying her version of events is correct, but nothing he has produced actually refutes the allegations in her complaint. It's more like he's trying to muddy the waters by saying "well see she didn't want to meet with the IC in this other situations so she can't complain about the IC not being on set for a nude scene months later" or "see she used the word sexy in a text conversation with me about clothes so she can't complain about me using that word to refer to her clothes in a totally different situation." It's not persuasive. It would be like if I said my coworker punched me in the head in the conference room and then my coworker produced a video of us two years prior in a bar joking about violence in a movie. Like.... so?

I don’t agree with your reasoning. You cant say you find the word sexy objectionable and then use it freely. That’s evidence you don’t actually find it objectionable. You can’t claim to have deep concerns about the involvement of the intimacy coordinator and planning of intimacy scenes while passing on all preproduction meetings. Actions actually have meaning.

In another note, Jair watched a televised interview clip where Blake talked about giving her one year old a birthday cake shaped like breasts.

Your logic makes no sense.

My husband often pats my butt playfully at home. But if I worked with him and he did it at the office, I'd be unhappy about it.

At work, I might say "this project is really beautiful, I love it." But that doesn't mean that if I go to the bar with my colleagues later, it's okay for one of them to come up to me and say "you are really beautiful, I love you" even though we are using many of he same words.

I might joke about how my infant is obsessed with my boobs in a conversation about breastfeeding, but that doesn't mean that anyone who ever wants to come up and discuss my boobs with me can do so.

+1 A baby views breasts as a source of food ie non sexual, my male coworker does not and if he's walking in on me breastfeeding I am allowed to be uncomfortable since it's not a picnic.

No, but if you brought your baby to work meetings and breastfed him on a regular basis, people might conclude you were comfortable breastfeeding in public. And I say that as someone who was comfortable breastfeeding in public.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote: Nah, she complained that he inappropriately called her sexy and he produced a text she sent him in which she made wardrobe choices based on what she said made her look sexier. Her side edited texts or placed them out of context to deliberately change their meaning. She complained that the intimacy coordinator wasn’t involved enough and he produced a text where she refused to meet with the intimacy coordinator at all pre production.

This doesn't make sense to me.

She didn't allege "the intimacy coordinator isn't involved enough." She had specific complaints about the IC not being consulted or present on set for specific scenes that were not written to have nudity or intimacy in them but that Baldoni changed to be nude or more intimate the day of filming. That has nothing to do with whether she met with the IC before filming even started. I also dont' really know how common it is for actors to meet with the IC in pre-production. Is that typical? Typical for a movie like this? For all I know Lively was reasonably annoyed to be asked to participate in pre-production meetings like that. I don't have enough context.

Also the allegations about when he called her sex seem to be talking about different things. In her complaint she alleges that he made comment about her off-set attire and specifically asked her to either take off or open up a coat she was wearing so that he could see her top underneath, and declared it "hot." She says that she told him that this was inappropriate and he said, "sorry, it's sexy -- is that better?" The texts he's produced relate to a discussion of her character's wardrobe. Totally different context.

Not saying her version of events is correct, but nothing he has produced actually refutes the allegations in her complaint. It's more like he's trying to muddy the waters by saying "well see she didn't want to meet with the IC in this other situations so she can't complain about the IC not being on set for a nude scene months later" or "see she used the word sexy in a text conversation with me about clothes so she can't complain about me using that word to refer to her clothes in a totally different situation." It's not persuasive. It would be like if I said my coworker punched me in the head in the conference room and then my coworker produced a video of us two years prior in a bar joking about violence in a movie. Like.... so?

I don’t agree with your reasoning. You cant say you find the word sexy objectionable and then use it freely. That’s evidence you don’t actually find it objectionable. You can’t claim to have deep concerns about the involvement of the intimacy coordinator and planning of intimacy scenes while passing on all preproduction meetings. Actions actually have meaning.

In another note, Jair watched a televised interview clip where Blake talked about giving her one year old a birthday cake shaped like breasts.

Your logic makes no sense.

My husband often pats my butt playfully at home. But if I worked with him and he did it at the office, I'd be unhappy about it.

At work, I might say "this project is really beautiful, I love it." But that doesn't mean that if I go to the bar with my colleagues later, it's okay for one of them to come up to me and say "you are really beautiful, I love you" even though we are using many of he same words.

I might joke about how my infant is obsessed with my boobs in a conversation about breastfeeding, but that doesn't mean that anyone who ever wants to come up and discuss my boobs with me can do so.

+1 A baby views breasts as a source of food ie non sexual, my male coworker does not and if he's walking in on me breastfeeding I am allowed to be uncomfortable since it's not a picnic.

No, but if you brought your baby to work meetings and breastfed him on a regular basis, people might conclude you were comfortable breastfeeding in public. And I say that as someone who was comfortable breastfeeding in public.

I decide when and where to breastfeed. Thats it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: Nah, she complained that he inappropriately called her sexy and he produced a text she sent him in which she made wardrobe choices based on what she said made her look sexier. Her side edited texts or placed them out of context to deliberately change their meaning. She complained that the intimacy coordinator wasn’t involved enough and he produced a text where she refused to meet with the intimacy coordinator at all pre production.

This doesn't make sense to me.

She didn't allege "the intimacy coordinator isn't involved enough." She had specific complaints about the IC not being consulted or present on set for specific scenes that were not written to have nudity or intimacy in them but that Baldoni changed to be nude or more intimate the day of filming. That has nothing to do with whether she met with the IC before filming even started. I also dont' really know how common it is for actors to meet with the IC in pre-production. Is that typical? Typical for a movie like this? For all I know Lively was reasonably annoyed to be asked to participate in pre-production meetings like that. I don't have enough context.

Also the allegations about when he called her sex seem to be talking about different things. In her complaint she alleges that he made comment about her off-set attire and specifically asked her to either take off or open up a coat she was wearing so that he could see her top underneath, and declared it "hot." She says that she told him that this was inappropriate and he said, "sorry, it's sexy -- is that better?" The texts he's produced relate to a discussion of her character's wardrobe. Totally different context.

Not saying her version of events is correct, but nothing he has produced actually refutes the allegations in her complaint. It's more like he's trying to muddy the waters by saying "well see she didn't want to meet with the IC in this other situations so she can't complain about the IC not being on set for a nude scene months later" or "see she used the word sexy in a text conversation with me about clothes so she can't complain about me using that word to refer to her clothes in a totally different situation." It's not persuasive. It would be like if I said my coworker punched me in the head in the conference room and then my coworker produced a video of us two years prior in a bar joking about violence in a movie. Like.... so?

I don’t agree with your reasoning. You cant say you find the word sexy objectionable and then use it freely. That’s evidence you don’t actually find it objectionable. You can’t claim to have deep concerns about the involvement of the intimacy coordinator and planning of intimacy scenes while passing on all preproduction meetings. Actions actually have meaning.

In another note, Jair watched a televised interview clip where Blake talked about giving her one year old a birthday cake shaped like breasts.

Your logic makes no sense.

My husband often pats my butt playfully at home. But if I worked with him and he did it at the office, I'd be unhappy about it.

At work, I might say "this project is really beautiful, I love it." But that doesn't mean that if I go to the bar with my colleagues later, it's okay for one of them to come up to me and say "you are really beautiful, I love you" even though we are using many of he same words.

I might joke about how my infant is obsessed with my boobs in a conversation about breastfeeding, but that doesn't mean that anyone who ever wants to come up and discuss my boobs with me can do so.

+1 A baby views breasts as a source of food ie non sexual, my male coworker does not and if he's walking in on me breastfeeding I am allowed to be uncomfortable since it's not a picnic.

No, but if you brought your baby to work meetings and breastfed him on a regular basis, people might conclude you were comfortable breastfeeding in public. And I say that as someone who was comfortable breastfeeding in public.

I decide when and where to breastfeed. Thats it.

Again, that isn't actually responsive to what I said. I was very comfortable breastfeeding in public. Some people are. And the way that is communicated is by repeatedly breastfeeding in public.

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Anonymous wrote: Nah, she complained that he inappropriately called her sexy and he produced a text she sent him in which she made wardrobe choices based on what she said made her look sexier. Her side edited texts or placed them out of context to deliberately change their meaning. She complained that the intimacy coordinator wasn’t involved enough and he produced a text where she refused to meet with the intimacy coordinator at all pre production.

This doesn't make sense to me.

She didn't allege "the intimacy coordinator isn't involved enough." She had specific complaints about the IC not being consulted or present on set for specific scenes that were not written to have nudity or intimacy in them but that Baldoni changed to be nude or more intimate the day of filming. That has nothing to do with whether she met with the IC before filming even started. I also dont' really know how common it is for actors to meet with the IC in pre-production. Is that typical? Typical for a movie like this? For all I know Lively was reasonably annoyed to be asked to participate in pre-production meetings like that. I don't have enough context.

Also the allegations about when he called her sex seem to be talking about different things. In her complaint she alleges that he made comment about her off-set attire and specifically asked her to either take off or open up a coat she was wearing so that he could see her top underneath, and declared it "hot." She says that she told him that this was inappropriate and he said, "sorry, it's sexy -- is that better?" The texts he's produced relate to a discussion of her character's wardrobe. Totally different context.

Not saying her version of events is correct, but nothing he has produced actually refutes the allegations in her complaint. It's more like he's trying to muddy the waters by saying "well see she didn't want to meet with the IC in this other situations so she can't complain about the IC not being on set for a nude scene months later" or "see she used the word sexy in a text conversation with me about clothes so she can't complain about me using that word to refer to her clothes in a totally different situation." It's not persuasive. It would be like if I said my coworker punched me in the head in the conference room and then my coworker produced a video of us two years prior in a bar joking about violence in a movie. Like.... so?

I don’t agree with your reasoning. You cant say you find the word sexy objectionable and then use it freely. That’s evidence you don’t actually find it objectionable. You can’t claim to have deep concerns about the involvement of the intimacy coordinator and planning of intimacy scenes while passing on all preproduction meetings. Actions actually have meaning.

In another note, Jair watched a televised interview clip where Blake talked about giving her one year old a birthday cake shaped like breasts.

Your logic makes no sense.

My husband often pats my butt playfully at home. But if I worked with him and he did it at the office, I'd be unhappy about it.

At work, I might say "this project is really beautiful, I love it." But that doesn't mean that if I go to the bar with my colleagues later, it's okay for one of them to come up to me and say "you are really beautiful, I love you" even though we are using many of he same words.

I might joke about how my infant is obsessed with my boobs in a conversation about breastfeeding, but that doesn't mean that anyone who ever wants to come up and discuss my boobs with me can do so.

Your logic is off

If you went on national television and spontaneously offered up to the host that you were making a breast shaped cake for your child, I think it's fair to assume you are comfortable talking about breasts.

If you sent a text to your co worker and said, I am going to wear this suit to the presentation because I look beautiful in it," it would not be inappropriate for the coworker you texted to tell you later that you looked beautiful in the suit.

What your husband playing with your butt at home or at the office has to do with any of this is beyond me.

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This is not a good comparison to the Lively/Baldoni situation because when Lively used the word "sexy" she was referring to a costume that her character was going to wear. She wasn't talking about herself. She was saying she thought the character would look or feel sexy in the costume (the fact that she was talking about a beanie is hilarious and weird but the point still stands).

This is VERY different than Baldoni making comments about clothes Lively was wearing, as herself, off the set.

The character's costume is a professional decision and the use of the word "sexy" in that setting is professional -- Lively thought that costume would convey a desired type of style for the character in that particular scene, and contribute to the story they were telling.

Baldoni just wanted to tell Lively that her boobs looked hot in her top. It's completely different.

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Anonymous wrote: Nah, she complained that he inappropriately called her sexy and he produced a text she sent him in which she made wardrobe choices based on what she said made her look sexier. Her side edited texts or placed them out of context to deliberately change their meaning. She complained that the intimacy coordinator wasn’t involved enough and he produced a text where she refused to meet with the intimacy coordinator at all pre production.

This doesn't make sense to me.

She didn't allege "the intimacy coordinator isn't involved enough." She had specific complaints about the IC not being consulted or present on set for specific scenes that were not written to have nudity or intimacy in them but that Baldoni changed to be nude or more intimate the day of filming. That has nothing to do with whether she met with the IC before filming even started. I also dont' really know how common it is for actors to meet with the IC in pre-production. Is that typical? Typical for a movie like this? For all I know Lively was reasonably annoyed to be asked to participate in pre-production meetings like that. I don't have enough context.

Also the allegations about when he called her sex seem to be talking about different things. In her complaint she alleges that he made comment about her off-set attire and specifically asked her to either take off or open up a coat she was wearing so that he could see her top underneath, and declared it "hot." She says that she told him that this was inappropriate and he said, "sorry, it's sexy -- is that better?" The texts he's produced relate to a discussion of her character's wardrobe. Totally different context.

Not saying her version of events is correct, but nothing he has produced actually refutes the allegations in her complaint. It's more like he's trying to muddy the waters by saying "well see she didn't want to meet with the IC in this other situations so she can't complain about the IC not being on set for a nude scene months later" or "see she used the word sexy in a text conversation with me about clothes so she can't complain about me using that word to refer to her clothes in a totally different situation." It's not persuasive. It would be like if I said my coworker punched me in the head in the conference room and then my coworker produced a video of us two years prior in a bar joking about violence in a movie. Like.... so?

I don’t agree with your reasoning. You cant say you find the word sexy objectionable and then use it freely. That’s evidence you don’t actually find it objectionable. You can’t claim to have deep concerns about the involvement of the intimacy coordinator and planning of intimacy scenes while passing on all preproduction meetings. Actions actually have meaning.

In another note, Jair watched a televised interview clip where Blake talked about giving her one year old a birthday cake shaped like breasts.

Your logic makes no sense.

My husband often pats my butt playfully at home. But if I worked with him and he did it at the office, I'd be unhappy about it.

At work, I might say "this project is really beautiful, I love it." But that doesn't mean that if I go to the bar with my colleagues later, it's okay for one of them to come up to me and say "you are really beautiful, I love you" even though we are using many of he same words.

I might joke about how my infant is obsessed with my boobs in a conversation about breastfeeding, but that doesn't mean that anyone who ever wants to come up and discuss my boobs with me can do so.

+1 A baby views breasts as a source of food ie non sexual, my male coworker does not and if he's walking in on me breastfeeding I am allowed to be uncomfortable since it's not a picnic.

No, but if you brought your baby to work meetings and breastfed him on a regular basis, people might conclude you were comfortable breastfeeding in public. And I say that as someone who was comfortable breastfeeding in public.

I decide when and where to breastfeed. Thats it.

Again, that isn't actually responsive to what I said. I was very comfortable breastfeeding in public. Some people are. And the way that is communicated is by repeatedly breastfeeding in public.

It doesn't sound like she was in public though, she was in her trailer. I could be wrong, but I thought the whole point of having a trailer was to gain some privacy so you can change outfits etc.

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Anonymous wrote: Nah, she complained that he inappropriately called her sexy and he produced a text she sent him in which she made wardrobe choices based on what she said made her look sexier. Her side edited texts or placed them out of context to deliberately change their meaning. She complained that the intimacy coordinator wasn’t involved enough and he produced a text where she refused to meet with the intimacy coordinator at all pre production.

This doesn't make sense to me.

She didn't allege "the intimacy coordinator isn't involved enough." She had specific complaints about the IC not being consulted or present on set for specific scenes that were not written to have nudity or intimacy in them but that Baldoni changed to be nude or more intimate the day of filming. That has nothing to do with whether she met with the IC before filming even started. I also dont' really know how common it is for actors to meet with the IC in pre-production. Is that typical? Typical for a movie like this? For all I know Lively was reasonably annoyed to be asked to participate in pre-production meetings like that. I don't have enough context.

Also the allegations about when he called her sex seem to be talking about different things. In her complaint she alleges that he made comment about her off-set attire and specifically asked her to either take off or open up a coat she was wearing so that he could see her top underneath, and declared it "hot." She says that she told him that this was inappropriate and he said, "sorry, it's sexy -- is that better?" The texts he's produced relate to a discussion of her character's wardrobe. Totally different context.

Not saying her version of events is correct, but nothing he has produced actually refutes the allegations in her complaint. It's more like he's trying to muddy the waters by saying "well see she didn't want to meet with the IC in this other situations so she can't complain about the IC not being on set for a nude scene months later" or "see she used the word sexy in a text conversation with me about clothes so she can't complain about me using that word to refer to her clothes in a totally different situation." It's not persuasive. It would be like if I said my coworker punched me in the head in the conference room and then my coworker produced a video of us two years prior in a bar joking about violence in a movie. Like.... so?

I don’t agree with your reasoning. You cant say you find the word sexy objectionable and then use it freely. That’s evidence you don’t actually find it objectionable. You can’t claim to have deep concerns about the involvement of the intimacy coordinator and planning of intimacy scenes while passing on all preproduction meetings. Actions actually have meaning.

In another note, Jair watched a televised interview clip where Blake talked about giving her one year old a birthday cake shaped like breasts.

Your logic makes no sense.

My husband often pats my butt playfully at home. But if I worked with him and he did it at the office, I'd be unhappy about it.

At work, I might say "this project is really beautiful, I love it." But that doesn't mean that if I go to the bar with my colleagues later, it's okay for one of them to come up to me and say "you are really beautiful, I love you" even though we are using many of he same words.

I might joke about how my infant is obsessed with my boobs in a conversation about breastfeeding, but that doesn't mean that anyone who ever wants to come up and discuss my boobs with me can do so.

Your logic is off

If you went on national television and spontaneously offered up to the host that you were making a breast shaped cake for your child, I think it's fair to assume you are comfortable talking about breasts.

If you sent a text to your co worker and said, I am going to wear this suit to the presentation because I look beautiful in it," it would not be inappropriate for the coworker you texted to tell you later that you looked beautiful in the suit.

What your husband playing with your butt at home or at the office has to do with any of this is beyond me.

Specifically regarding the bolded:

This is not a good comparison to the Lively/Baldoni situation because when Lively used the word "sexy" she was referring to a costume that her character was going to wear. She wasn't talking about herself. She was saying she thought the character would look or feel sexy in the costume (the fact that she was talking about a beanie is hilarious and weird but the point still stands).

This is VERY different than Baldoni making comments about clothes Lively was wearing, as herself, off the set.

The character's costume is a professional decision and the use of the word "sexy" in that setting is professional -- Lively thought that costume would convey a desired type of style for the character in that particular scene, and contribute to the story they were telling.

Baldoni just wanted to tell Lively that her boobs looked hot in her top. It's completely different.

This is the most convoluted argument you've made, and that's saying something.