Savannah Guthrie’s mom is missing, suspect kidnapping

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Anonymous wrote:Stating the obvious, but if the backpack is “key” we’re in trouble.

This. It’s Walmart. Walmarts are everywhere. Without a receipt who knows what day it was purchased. Black Ozark backpacks were probably purchased everyday or every other day for years at the local Walmart.

It’s a tourist town. People hike.

It’s not a great clue to lead to a specific person.

Agree, it’s pretty much worthless. The dude was zipped up. Contained. Everything generic. I suspect he/she even wore a mask under the balaclava to disguise face structure and features. I agree about the aimless nature of the person once there, but they were prepared in dress.

I suspect someone paid them to do this.

The person was acting as if it was aimless but he knew exactly what he was doing and where the cameras where located. He wanted to appear haphazard and unprepared. I believe he was not the only person. He had to have a getaway driver.someone had to handle Nancy and someone else had to drive Who’s that person? What vehicle was the getaway vehicle?

The sheriff is cagey about who dropped Nancy off that night. At first, it was mentioned Annie dropped her off then it was suggested that Tommaso dropped her off. It’s possible the front door wasn’t even locked. Whoever dropped her off left the front door unlocked on purpose for the perp. They just didn’t disable the camera because they weren’t masked or concealed. That was the job of the perp

We have very little information. It sounds like you have a suspect in mind and you’re coming up with possibilities to support your theory. To my knowledge, we have not heard one iota about whether the door was locked or unlocked.

There is a lot they are keeping to themselves, which is normal in an investigation.

That said, I don’t think they have squat on a possible suspect. A backpack is a depressing lead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had not heard of Savannah before this. And she was a year ahead of me at law school, apparently!

This is so surprising to me but also tells me so many people are not watching the news. And when I say news I’m not talking cable news.

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Dominic Evans, criminal record includes charges of burglary, theft, embezzlement.

Funny they say the build matches, because it does not match at all, neither do the features. But, okay, reddit and dcum sleuths. lol

It’s not as bad as them thinking it’s Annie in the mask.

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Anonymous wrote:I had not heard of Savannah before this. And she was a year ahead of me at law school, apparently!

This is so surprising to me but also tells me so many people are not watching the news. And when I say news I’m not talking cable news.

I don't watch. Too much one-sided reporting and ranting. Sean Hannity? Tucker Carlson? Don Lemon? Rachel Maddow? I won't waste my time listening to them or others like them.

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Anonymous wrote:I had not heard of Savannah before this. And she was a year ahead of me at law school, apparently!

This is so surprising to me but also tells me so many people are not watching the news. And when I say news I’m not talking cable news.

I don't watch. Too much one-sided reporting and ranting. Sean Hannity? Tucker Carlson? Don Lemon? Rachel Maddow? I won't waste my time listening to them or others like them.

The today show is fairly sanitized news

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Anonymous wrote:I had not heard of Savannah before this. And she was a year ahead of me at law school, apparently!

She was an nbc White House correspondent, the anchor (not a lower anchor), the top co-host of the Today show for ~14 years.

I know because her first name was in the running for my child.

I thought everyone knew Savannah Guthrie, even if you’ve watched the Today Show 2 times, or NBC nightly news when Brian Williams was host.

A lot of people don't watch either. This isn't like 40+ years ago when we all watched the same things and had shared cultural experiences through television.

Right, but the Olympics and Thanksgiving Day parade are shared experiences that well more than half of Americans watch or have watched at some point in the last 10 years.

I watch those but I have no idea who the studio host is for the Macy's parade or the Olympics opening ceremony.

OK.

I don’t know what the point is of sharing that you didn’t know who she was. Clearly a lot of people do. It’s been 13 days and this has grabbed the nation’s attention. Tons of podcasts and digital creators are following this and all the major news outlets update on the hour.

You might not have heard of her, but plenty of people have.

This. I did not know who Bad Bunny was until he was booked for the halftime show. I am still convinced that he was quite famous, even without any help from me. And perhaps I am the one living under a rock.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stating the obvious, but if the backpack is “key” we’re in trouble.

This. It’s Walmart. Walmarts are everywhere. Without a receipt who knows what day it was purchased. Black Ozark backpacks were probably purchased everyday or every other day for years at the local Walmart.

It’s a tourist town. People hike.

It’s not a great clue to lead to a specific person.

Agree, it’s pretty much worthless. The dude was zipped up. Contained. Everything generic. I suspect he/she even wore a mask under the balaclava to disguise face structure and features. I agree about the aimless nature of the person once there, but they were prepared in dress.

I suspect someone paid them to do this.

The person was acting as if it was aimless but he knew exactly what he was doing and where the cameras where located. He wanted to appear haphazard and unprepared. I believe he was not the only person. He had to have a getaway driver.someone had to handle Nancy and someone else had to drive Who’s that person? What vehicle was the getaway vehicle?

The sheriff is cagey about who dropped Nancy off that night. At first, it was mentioned Annie dropped her off then it was suggested that Tommaso dropped her off. It’s possible the front door wasn’t even locked. Whoever dropped her off left the front door unlocked on purpose for the perp. They just didn’t disable the camera because they weren’t masked or concealed. That was the job of the perp

I never once heard it was Annie who dripped her off. I only heard Tommaso. Did you stop to think that they are avoiding saying his name because people like you are putting him and his family at risk?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems very bleak at this point. They have hardly any forensic evidence. No clues that we are aware of. All we have is that video. And a random glove far from the crime scene. It’s been 12 days. Everyone makes fun of the kidnapper for looking like an amateur, well, he seems to have done the job and not left a trace. I am so sorry this has happened and my heart goes to the Guthrie family. I will say the FBI, led by Kash Patel, is probably a disaster and bungled it.

I have seen a couple of interviews with experts this morning, and they actually seem hopeful. The backpack is key. They believe the suspect is from Tucson, so he probably purchased it locally. They will look at everyone who purchased it and pull driver’s license info to eliminate everyone who does not fit the height and facial features. This will narrow it down a lot. Sure, there is a chance that he borrowed it, stole it, or purchased second-hand. But it seems less likely. Even if he purchased with cash, they can pull surveillance video. Somebody will recognize him from the video. I am convinced that they are already closing in.

The cops sure seem to be operating from the 1800s. Who doesn’t shop online nowadays? Good god, they’re really hoping Walmart will solve this crime?

How are they sure the backpack is brand new?

Well they aren’t shopping online with cash. So they will have credit card info for purchases made online and shipped to Tucson.

Apparently it is the latest version of the backpack so they know it was purchased fairly recently.

Also, me. I don’t like to buy everything online. I am no Olympic athlete, but I do have the energy to walk into the Wal-Mart down the road. For something like a backpack, I would prefer to check out the size, quality, storage compartments in person.

My money is on the backpack being a dead end.

If I'm going to commit a crime. I'm shoplifting everything I can fit into my overcoat, and a backpack fits that criteria. Heck, I might even be so bold as to rip the tags off the backpack and fill it with the other pilfered items I need, hello horse tranquilizers, zip ties, duct tape.

No way I'm going through the Walmart check out line, who knows how long they hang onto the recording, but no doubt that data is going to a datacenter, where it gets compiled and crushed and tied to a list of every other purchase I've made, along with my image and my purchase details, how I paid, what day I visited, what websites I like to visit, etc. Too much money in data these days to just throw it all away. Those cameras aren't about security; they are about data mining.

Any criminal who watches any true life crime shows the perp always gets busted by the footage from Home Depot cameras where they are recorded buying, some combination of 10 feet of rope, 2 boxes of zip ties, acid, lye, woodchipper, plastic gloves, masks, respirators, industrial garbage bags, a case of plastic tarps, cement, cement mixer, duct tape, and a big old ax and bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Stating the obvious, but if the backpack is “key” we’re in trouble.

This. It’s Walmart. Walmarts are everywhere. Without a receipt who knows what day it was purchased. Black Ozark backpacks were probably purchased everyday or every other day for years at the local Walmart.

It’s a tourist town. People hike.

It’s not a great clue to lead to a specific person.

You are missing the point. Yes, black Ozark Trail backpacks have been available for years. But new models of the backpack have small differences from previous models. That’s what makes them new models. Apparently, they could tell from the features that his is a new model and has not been available very long. It is unlikely that it would already make its way to poshmark or Goodwill. They can tell from language and references in his letters that he is likely from Tucson. This is a guy who looked directly at the camera, in this day of eye scans and facial recognition software, before grabbing some flowers to cover it up. I highly doubt he considered that his rather generic Wal-Mart purchase would be traced back to him. So yes, according to non-dcum investigators, he probably DID recently walk into the local Wal-Mart to purchase that backpack.

Plus, they are probably making similar connections to other items he was wearing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stating the obvious, but if the backpack is “key” we’re in trouble.

This. It’s Walmart. Walmarts are everywhere. Without a receipt who knows what day it was purchased. Black Ozark backpacks were probably purchased everyday or every other day for years at the local Walmart.

It’s a tourist town. People hike.

It’s not a great clue to lead to a specific person.

Agree, it’s pretty much worthless. The dude was zipped up. Contained. Everything generic. I suspect he/she even wore a mask under the balaclava to disguise face structure and features. I agree about the aimless nature of the person once there, but they were prepared in dress.

I suspect someone paid them to do this.

The person was acting as if it was aimless but he knew exactly what he was doing and where the cameras where located. He wanted to appear haphazard and unprepared. I believe he was not the only person. He had to have a getaway driver.someone had to handle Nancy and someone else had to drive Who’s that person? What vehicle was the getaway vehicle?

The sheriff is cagey about who dropped Nancy off that night. At first, it was mentioned Annie dropped her off then it was suggested that Tommaso dropped her off. It’s possible the front door wasn’t even locked. Whoever dropped her off left the front door unlocked on purpose for the perp. They just didn’t disable the camera because they weren’t masked or concealed. That was the job of the perp

We have very little information. It sounds like you have a suspect in mind and you’re coming up with possibilities to support your theory. To my knowledge, we have not heard one iota about whether the door was locked or unlocked.

There is a lot they are keeping to themselves, which is normal in an investigation.

That said, I don’t think they have squat on a possible suspect. A backpack is a depressing lead.

Two conflicting statements.

I don’t think there’s anything they’re keeping to themselves. I agree with you that they know squat and are just reading what the web sleuths on social media suggest. That’s why they keep circling to Annie and Tomm’s neighborhood. It makes zero sense

[Anonymous]

You would think the church friend would’ve been interviewed by the media given they were the one who first pointed out Nancy’s absence

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It seems very bleak at this point. They have hardly any forensic evidence. No clues that we are aware of. All we have is that video. And a random glove far from the crime scene. It’s been 12 days. Everyone makes fun of the kidnapper for looking like an amateur, well, he seems to have done the job and not left a trace. I am so sorry this has happened and my heart goes to the Guthrie family. I will say the FBI, led by Kash Patel, is probably a disaster and bungled it.

I have seen a couple of interviews with experts this morning, and they actually seem hopeful. The backpack is key. They believe the suspect is from Tucson, so he probably purchased it locally. They will look at everyone who purchased it and pull driver’s license info to eliminate everyone who does not fit the height and facial features. This will narrow it down a lot. Sure, there is a chance that he borrowed it, stole it, or purchased second-hand. But it seems less likely. Even if he purchased with cash, they can pull surveillance video. Somebody will recognize him from the video. I am convinced that they are already closing in.

The cops sure seem to be operating from the 1800s. Who doesn’t shop online nowadays? Good god, they’re really hoping Walmart will solve this crime?

How are they sure the backpack is brand new?

Well they aren’t shopping online with cash. So they will have credit card info for purchases made online and shipped to Tucson.

Apparently it is the latest version of the backpack so they know it was purchased fairly recently.

Also, me. I don’t like to buy everything online. I am no Olympic athlete, but I do have the energy to walk into the Wal-Mart down the road. For something like a backpack, I would prefer to check out the size, quality, storage compartments in person.

My money is on the backpack being a dead end.

If I'm going to commit a crime. I'm shoplifting everything I can fit into my overcoat, and a backpack fits that criteria. Heck, I might even be so bold as to rip the tags off the backpack and fill it with the other pilfered items I need, hello horse tranquilizers, zip ties, duct tape.

No way I'm going through the Walmart check out line, who knows how long they hang onto the recording, but no doubt that data is going to a datacenter, where it gets compiled and crushed and tied to a list of every other purchase I've made, along with my image and my purchase details, how I paid, what day I visited, what websites I like to visit, etc. Too much money in data these days to just throw it all away. Those cameras aren't about security; they are about data mining.

Any criminal who watches any true life crime shows the perp always gets busted by the footage from Home Depot cameras where they are recorded buying, some combination of 10 feet of rope, 2 boxes of zip ties, acid, lye, woodchipper, plastic gloves, masks, respirators, industrial garbage bags, a case of plastic tarps, cement, cement mixer, duct tape, and a big old ax and bleach, lots and lots of bleach.

Well you ended your post saying that criminals always get busted doing the exact thing that you say a criminal would never do. So which is it?

I am not convinced that this was well-planned. I think he was desperate for money and this was a Hail Mary attempt to pay his debts. He might not have even known he was a future kidnapper when he purchased the backpack and other items.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had not heard of Savannah before this. And she was a year ahead of me at law school, apparently!

This is so surprising to me but also tells me so many people are not watching the news. And when I say news I’m not talking cable news.

And they’re not watching presidential debate/Townhalls. Savannah’s pretty famous for calling Trump out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You would think the church friend would’ve been interviewed by the media given they were the one who first pointed out Nancy’s absence

Well what makes you think they want to speak to the media? The general public probably knows one percent of the details of that day. This is like when people are saying, why can’t they see the evidence that BIL dropped Nancy off – obviously there is evidence, but they don’t need to put it out there. He has been cleared. Don’t you think he would be arrested if they show she was not dropped off on her home at the time they said? It’s been two weeks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stating the obvious, but if the backpack is “key” we’re in trouble.

This. It’s Walmart. Walmarts are everywhere. Without a receipt who knows what day it was purchased. Black Ozark backpacks were probably purchased everyday or every other day for years at the local Walmart.

It’s a tourist town. People hike.

It’s not a great clue to lead to a specific person.

Agree, it’s pretty much worthless. The dude was zipped up. Contained. Everything generic. I suspect he/she even wore a mask under the balaclava to disguise face structure and features. I agree about the aimless nature of the person once there, but they were prepared in dress.

I suspect someone paid them to do this.

The person was acting as if it was aimless but he knew exactly what he was doing and where the cameras where located. He wanted to appear haphazard and unprepared. I believe he was not the only person. He had to have a getaway driver.someone had to handle Nancy and someone else had to drive Who’s that person? What vehicle was the getaway vehicle?

The sheriff is cagey about who dropped Nancy off that night. At first, it was mentioned Annie dropped her off then it was suggested that Tommaso dropped her off. It’s possible the front door wasn’t even locked. Whoever dropped her off left the front door unlocked on purpose for the perp. They just didn’t disable the camera because they weren’t masked or concealed. That was the job of the perp

I never once heard it was Annie who dripped her off. I only heard Tommaso. Did you stop to think that they are avoiding saying his name because people like you are putting him and his family at risk?

Not PP but go back to the Sheriff’s verbal interviews early on and you’ll see how it evolved.