FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:Over the past 16 years neighborhoods zoned to Annandale, Chantilly, Fairfax, Lewis, Madison, McLean, Oakton, Westfield, and Woodson have all been redistricted into different schools.

I’m not sure why some people at Langley and West Springfield think a different set of rules applies to them.

Actually, it’s that different rules are being applied to them that are so offensive.

The rules have not changed in any material way. The most meaningful change is the commitment to revisit boundaries every five years and that's not what you're complaining about.

What really bothers you isn't that the rules have changed so much as they may actually be applied to you when you thought you'd continue to get preferential treatment.

They actually did revise it a lot. They took away a lot of the criteria to consider when doing boundary changes. They dumbed it down to 4 the current 4 (equitable access, overcrowding, transportation…. It’s a lot easier to move boundaries now than it was before

That's simply false. It's always been easy to adjust boundaries, and it will always be hard. It has everything to do with the political will and preferences of School Board members, and very little to do with a written policy.

This School Board under Karl Frisch collectively signed onto the notion that, if they embarked on a county-wide redistricting effort and enlisted a third-party consultant to assist, they could avoid accountability for boundary changes and that there would be so much noise that it would drown or cancel itself out. They are still at the very early stages of confronting the inevitable headwinds because, while they may claim this review is overdue, many will say with reason that it is now feels both unnecessary (current enrollment is flat) and rushed (it's unclear that they are working with good data or adequately considering future development).

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How is a boundary change messing with the free market? A perfect market already factors in the possibility that areas on the periphery of a school boundary in a county-wide system may be more susceptible to being rezoned to a less “desirable” school.

Of course, the art is properly calculating that possibility, and perhaps most have understood that there should be compelling reasons to redistrict based on severe overcrowding or under-enrollment. But in that case your stronger argument is that those conditions do not currently exist, not that FCPS is interfering with a free housing market. You are still completely free to buy and sell properties at market terms.

Please show me a real estate listing in Fairfax that mentions that caveat.

When a neighborhood is decades old and has been assigned to the same school since its existence, one can jump to the conclusion that it is "safe from redistricting." That is, unless it has UMC kids. Then, the SB eyes it with glee..

Absolutely. +100. Even now, unsuspecting families are buying homes in the school board’s crosshairs in part because they are advertising the sought after school districts in the mls listings.

All these caveat emptor posters really are something else.

Ethically, realtors and real estate listings are actually not able to speak to purported school performance – but the scores are allowed into the listings via Great Schools and people can read into that what they wish. Realtors and the actual listings have to be very objective, otherwise they can be violating Fair Housing laws.

People home shopping can just take the home address, plug it into FCPS boundary locator, and the school pops up.

They then just go to the school profile to get information about the school such as free lunch or ESOL stats.

Then, they go to the state of Virginia website with the school names, and get the accreditation info.

Great schools in convenient, but completely unnecessary to research before you buy.

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Anonymous wrote:Over the past 16 years neighborhoods zoned to Annandale, Chantilly, Fairfax, Lewis, Madison, McLean, Oakton, Westfield, and Woodson have all been redistricted into different schools.

I’m not sure why some people at Langley and West Springfield think a different set of rules applies to them.

Actually, it’s that different rules are being applied to them that are so offensive.

The rules have not changed in any material way. The most meaningful change is the commitment to revisit boundaries every five years and that's not what you're complaining about.

What really bothers you isn't that the rules have changed so much as they may actually be applied to you when you thought you'd continue to get preferential treatment.

They actually did revise it a lot. They took away a lot of the criteria to consider when doing boundary changes. They dumbed it down to 4 the current 4 (equitable access, overcrowding, transportation…. It’s a lot easier to move boundaries now than it was before

The only metrics that seem to be removed are balancing socioeconomic characteristics (this was removed between rev 7 and rev 8) and the impact on neighborhoods (which is vague to interpretation.) Everything else is pretty much paraphrased in the “may also consider” bullet points. And in any case the triggering was “any of these cases” not all, so I don’t see how it’s easier now than it was before.

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How is a boundary change messing with the free market? A perfect market already factors in the possibility that areas on the periphery of a school boundary in a county-wide system may be more susceptible to being rezoned to a less “desirable” school.

Of course, the art is properly calculating that possibility, and perhaps most have understood that there should be compelling reasons to redistrict based on severe overcrowding or under-enrollment. But in that case your stronger argument is that those conditions do not currently exist, not that FCPS is interfering with a free housing market. You are still completely free to buy and sell properties at market terms.

Please show me a real estate listing in Fairfax that mentions that caveat.

When a neighborhood is decades old and has been assigned to the same school since its existence, one can jump to the conclusion that it is "safe from redistricting." That is, unless it has UMC kids. Then, the SB eyes it with glee..

Absolutely. +100. Even now, unsuspecting families are buying homes in the school board’s crosshairs in part because they are advertising the sought after school districts in the mls listings.

All these caveat emptor posters really are something else.

Ethically, realtors and real estate listings are actually not able to speak to purported school performance – but the scores are allowed into the listings via Great Schools and people can read into that what they wish. Realtors and the actual listings have to be very objective, otherwise they can be violating Fair Housing laws.

Right, and the equity warriors clamor that the buyers should just magically know they are buying into boundary changes. Really bizarre.

What do you mean by equity warrior? Genuinely curious because people keep throwing that saying around on this forum. Some things need to change as the burgeoning population of FFX County has caused issues. But no, don't think anybody is saying they should magically know....moreso saying, sucks for you. As another poster said, individual family problems are their own.

PP just uses "equity warrior" to refer to anyone who challenges the notion that they have a right in perpetuity to attend Langley High School.

Just haven’t heard any compelling reason to redistrict, and even the capacity issues (Fcps doesn’t really factor in residential development so garbage in garbage out on this front) and transportation (commutes less than an hour don’t hurt sleep time or academics according to the Fcps study and negative transportation savings from grandfathering). The only thing left is equity. And that’s all we hear you incessantly carry on about.

Equity isn’t the only thing left! There are still a lot of split feeders and attendance islands that haven’t been addressed. A popular sentiment is not breaking up friend groups, right?

Fair. Way less offensive than some of the oft discussed changes in this thread. Probably would prove a lot less divisive too, though I’m not sure if that would result in any of the split feeders or attendance islands getting redistricted to a poorer performing school.

That just underscores how you are focused only on maintaining the Langley pyramid as currently constituted.

The elimination of split feeders and attendance islands could result in many situations where students were redistricted to a "poorer performing school" (i.e., a school ranked lower or with lower average SAT scores). The families that are potentially affected are just not coming on here every day and alleging that any such moves could only be the result of "equity warriors."

Examples would include making Carson feed exclusively to Westfield, making Timber Lane feed exclusively to Falls Church, making Rolling Valley feed exclusively to Lewis, or reassigning the Sangster island to South County.

Sorry, you couldn’t be more wrong. I would only be fine with the elimination of split feeders and attendance islands if it is like for like or it has the overwhelming support of the families living in the area.

I’m not interested in screwing over these families. The exact opposite is true.

Perhaps look in the mirror?

If you only allow boundary changes when people get to "trade up" and support the rezoning, what about the impact on the parents, teachers, and students at the schools from which kids have been redistricted or to which kids could never be reassigned? Families may still get screwed, just different ones.

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Anonymous wrote:Over the past 16 years neighborhoods zoned to Annandale, Chantilly, Fairfax, Lewis, Madison, McLean, Oakton, Westfield, and Woodson have all been redistricted into different schools.

I’m not sure why some people at Langley and West Springfield think a different set of rules applies to them.

Actually, it’s that different rules are being applied to them that are so offensive.

The rules have not changed in any material way. The most meaningful change is the commitment to revisit boundaries every five years and that's not what you're complaining about.

What really bothers you isn't that the rules have changed so much as they may actually be applied to you when you thought you'd continue to get preferential treatment.

Being able to maintain the school zones that you paid a pretty penny to live in is not "preferential treatment."

Preferential treatment is choosing to pay less for a bigger home knowing you are buying in a lower performing pyramid in order to get the deal on your house, then lobbying for the school board to disrupt and use other peoples kids, rezoning them to your school with the hopes that those 50-100 kids will raise your property values, with no care or consideration for the other families and the impact on their kids.

Actually, it is. There was a list earlier of schools that have been redistricted over the past 15 years, and many of those parents paid a pretty penny as well. You want to be treated differently than they were because you think you are special. You aren't.

As for those who paid less and may now be lobbying the SB to revise boundaries, there's nothing to suggest they can just snap their fingers and make that happen. The burden is on them to come up with data that supports any such changes, and those who don't want the boundaries changed have every right to poke holes at the data and subject it to rigorous scrutiny. But what you don't have is the right to get a pass just because you paid a particular price for your home or live in a certain area.

Well, you are wrong.

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How is a boundary change messing with the free market? A perfect market already factors in the possibility that areas on the periphery of a school boundary in a county-wide system may be more susceptible to being rezoned to a less “desirable” school.

Of course, the art is properly calculating that possibility, and perhaps most have understood that there should be compelling reasons to redistrict based on severe overcrowding or under-enrollment. But in that case your stronger argument is that those conditions do not currently exist, not that FCPS is interfering with a free housing market. You are still completely free to buy and sell properties at market terms.

Please show me a real estate listing in Fairfax that mentions that caveat.

When a neighborhood is decades old and has been assigned to the same school since its existence, one can jump to the conclusion that it is "safe from redistricting." That is, unless it has UMC kids. Then, the SB eyes it with glee..

Absolutely. +100. Even now, unsuspecting families are buying homes in the school board’s crosshairs in part because they are advertising the sought after school districts in the mls listings.

All these caveat emptor posters really are something else.

Ethically, realtors and real estate listings are actually not able to speak to purported school performance – but the scores are allowed into the listings via Great Schools and people can read into that what they wish. Realtors and the actual listings have to be very objective, otherwise they can be violating Fair Housing laws.

People home shopping can just take the home address, plug it into FCPS boundary locator, and the school pops up.

They then just go to the school profile to get information about the school such as free lunch or ESOL stats.

Then, they go to the state of Virginia website with the school names, and get the accreditation info.

Great schools in convenient, but completely unnecessary to research before you buy.

Right, just not seeing how this process keys potential buyers into the very real redistricting threat, as the sb shills like to parrots.

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How is a boundary change messing with the free market? A perfect market already factors in the possibility that areas on the periphery of a school boundary in a county-wide system may be more susceptible to being rezoned to a less “desirable” school.

Of course, the art is properly calculating that possibility, and perhaps most have understood that there should be compelling reasons to redistrict based on severe overcrowding or under-enrollment. But in that case your stronger argument is that those conditions do not currently exist, not that FCPS is interfering with a free housing market. You are still completely free to buy and sell properties at market terms.

Please show me a real estate listing in Fairfax that mentions that caveat.

When a neighborhood is decades old and has been assigned to the same school since its existence, one can jump to the conclusion that it is "safe from redistricting." That is, unless it has UMC kids. Then, the SB eyes it with glee..

Absolutely. +100. Even now, unsuspecting families are buying homes in the school board’s crosshairs in part because they are advertising the sought after school districts in the mls listings.

All these caveat emptor posters really are something else.

Ethically, realtors and real estate listings are actually not able to speak to purported school performance – but the scores are allowed into the listings via Great Schools and people can read into that what they wish. Realtors and the actual listings have to be very objective, otherwise they can be violating Fair Housing laws.

Right, and the equity warriors clamor that the buyers should just magically know they are buying into boundary changes. Really bizarre.

What do you mean by equity warrior? Genuinely curious because people keep throwing that saying around on this forum. Some things need to change as the burgeoning population of FFX County has caused issues. But no, don't think anybody is saying they should magically know....moreso saying, sucks for you. As another poster said, individual family problems are their own.

PP just uses "equity warrior" to refer to anyone who challenges the notion that they have a right in perpetuity to attend Langley High School.

Just haven’t heard any compelling reason to redistrict, and even the capacity issues (Fcps doesn’t really factor in residential development so garbage in garbage out on this front) and transportation (commutes less than an hour don’t hurt sleep time or academics according to the Fcps study and negative transportation savings from grandfathering). The only thing left is equity. And that’s all we hear you incessantly carry on about.

Equity isn’t the only thing left! There are still a lot of split feeders and attendance islands that haven’t been addressed. A popular sentiment is not breaking up friend groups, right?

Fair. Way less offensive than some of the oft discussed changes in this thread. Probably would prove a lot less divisive too, though I’m not sure if that would result in any of the split feeders or attendance islands getting redistricted to a poorer performing school.

That just underscores how you are focused only on maintaining the Langley pyramid as currently constituted.

The elimination of split feeders and attendance islands could result in many situations where students were redistricted to a "poorer performing school" (i.e., a school ranked lower or with lower average SAT scores). The families that are potentially affected are just not coming on here every day and alleging that any such moves could only be the result of "equity warriors."

Examples would include making Carson feed exclusively to Westfield, making Timber Lane feed exclusively to Falls Church, making Rolling Valley feed exclusively to Lewis, or reassigning the Sangster island to South County.

Reaasigning the Sangster island to South County is not closing a split feeder. It is making an existing split feeder worse.

Closing the Sangster split feeder would involve rezoning it to Lake Braddock with the rest of the school, which is an equal swap with WSHS and keeps that Sangster neighborhood in the same general community, while not affecting housing values one dollar either way.

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How is a boundary change messing with the free market? A perfect market already factors in the possibility that areas on the periphery of a school boundary in a county-wide system may be more susceptible to being rezoned to a less “desirable” school.

Of course, the art is properly calculating that possibility, and perhaps most have understood that there should be compelling reasons to redistrict based on severe overcrowding or under-enrollment. But in that case your stronger argument is that those conditions do not currently exist, not that FCPS is interfering with a free housing market. You are still completely free to buy and sell properties at market terms.

Please show me a real estate listing in Fairfax that mentions that caveat.

When a neighborhood is decades old and has been assigned to the same school since its existence, one can jump to the conclusion that it is "safe from redistricting." That is, unless it has UMC kids. Then, the SB eyes it with glee..

Absolutely. +100. Even now, unsuspecting families are buying homes in the school board’s crosshairs in part because they are advertising the sought after school districts in the mls listings.

All these caveat emptor posters really are something else.

Ethically, realtors and real estate listings are actually not able to speak to purported school performance – but the scores are allowed into the listings via Great Schools and people can read into that what they wish. Realtors and the actual listings have to be very objective, otherwise they can be violating Fair Housing laws.

Right, and the equity warriors clamor that the buyers should just magically know they are buying into boundary changes. Really bizarre.

What do you mean by equity warrior? Genuinely curious because people keep throwing that saying around on this forum. Some things need to change as the burgeoning population of FFX County has caused issues. But no, don't think anybody is saying they should magically know....moreso saying, sucks for you. As another poster said, individual family problems are their own.

PP just uses "equity warrior" to refer to anyone who challenges the notion that they have a right in perpetuity to attend Langley High School.

Just haven’t heard any compelling reason to redistrict, and even the capacity issues (Fcps doesn’t really factor in residential development so garbage in garbage out on this front) and transportation (commutes less than an hour don’t hurt sleep time or academics according to the Fcps study and negative transportation savings from grandfathering). The only thing left is equity. And that’s all we hear you incessantly carry on about.

Equity isn’t the only thing left! There are still a lot of split feeders and attendance islands that haven’t been addressed. A popular sentiment is not breaking up friend groups, right?

Fair. Way less offensive than some of the oft discussed changes in this thread. Probably would prove a lot less divisive too, though I’m not sure if that would result in any of the split feeders or attendance islands getting redistricted to a poorer performing school.

That just underscores how you are focused only on maintaining the Langley pyramid as currently constituted.

The elimination of split feeders and attendance islands could result in many situations where students were redistricted to a "poorer performing school" (i.e., a school ranked lower or with lower average SAT scores). The families that are potentially affected are just not coming on here every day and alleging that any such moves could only be the result of "equity warriors."

Examples would include making Carson feed exclusively to Westfield, making Timber Lane feed exclusively to Falls Church, making Rolling Valley feed exclusively to Lewis, or reassigning the Sangster island to South County.

Reaasigning the Sangster island to South County is not closing a split feeder. It is making an existing split feeder worse.

Closing the Sangster split feeder would involve rezoning it to Lake Braddock with the rest of the school, which is an equal swap with WSHS and keeps that Sangster neighborhood in the same general community, while not affecting housing values one dollar either way.

Sangster should definitely all go to Lake Braddock. However, the Sangster island should be eliminated. Those kids should attend South County and Newington Forest.

They won't touch Rolling Valley because it literally abuts WSHS. If anything, they will allow it all to go to WSHS. South of parkway homes attending Hunt Valley are in jeopardy of getting sent to Saratoga and Lewis. That would free up space at Hunt Valley for Orange Hunt kids.

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How is a boundary change messing with the free market? A perfect market already factors in the possibility that areas on the periphery of a school boundary in a county-wide system may be more susceptible to being rezoned to a less “desirable” school.

Of course, the art is properly calculating that possibility, and perhaps most have understood that there should be compelling reasons to redistrict based on severe overcrowding or under-enrollment. But in that case your stronger argument is that those conditions do not currently exist, not that FCPS is interfering with a free housing market. You are still completely free to buy and sell properties at market terms.

Please show me a real estate listing in Fairfax that mentions that caveat.

When a neighborhood is decades old and has been assigned to the same school since its existence, one can jump to the conclusion that it is "safe from redistricting." That is, unless it has UMC kids. Then, the SB eyes it with glee..

Absolutely. +100. Even now, unsuspecting families are buying homes in the school board’s crosshairs in part because they are advertising the sought after school districts in the mls listings.

All these caveat emptor posters really are something else.

Ethically, realtors and real estate listings are actually not able to speak to purported school performance – but the scores are allowed into the listings via Great Schools and people can read into that what they wish. Realtors and the actual listings have to be very objective, otherwise they can be violating Fair Housing laws.

Right, and the equity warriors clamor that the buyers should just magically know they are buying into boundary changes. Really bizarre.

What do you mean by equity warrior? Genuinely curious because people keep throwing that saying around on this forum. Some things need to change as the burgeoning population of FFX County has caused issues. But no, don't think anybody is saying they should magically know....moreso saying, sucks for you. As another poster said, individual family problems are their own.

PP just uses "equity warrior" to refer to anyone who challenges the notion that they have a right in perpetuity to attend Langley High School.

Just haven’t heard any compelling reason to redistrict, and even the capacity issues (Fcps doesn’t really factor in residential development so garbage in garbage out on this front) and transportation (commutes less than an hour don’t hurt sleep time or academics according to the Fcps study and negative transportation savings from grandfathering). The only thing left is equity. And that’s all we hear you incessantly carry on about.

Equity isn’t the only thing left! There are still a lot of split feeders and attendance islands that haven’t been addressed. A popular sentiment is not breaking up friend groups, right?

Fair. Way less offensive than some of the oft discussed changes in this thread. Probably would prove a lot less divisive too, though I’m not sure if that would result in any of the split feeders or attendance islands getting redistricted to a poorer performing school.

That just underscores how you are focused only on maintaining the Langley pyramid as currently constituted.

The elimination of split feeders and attendance islands could result in many situations where students were redistricted to a "poorer performing school" (i.e., a school ranked lower or with lower average SAT scores). The families that are potentially affected are just not coming on here every day and alleging that any such moves could only be the result of "equity warriors."

Examples would include making Carson feed exclusively to Westfield, making Timber Lane feed exclusively to Falls Church, making Rolling Valley feed exclusively to Lewis, or reassigning the Sangster island to South County.

Reaasigning the Sangster island to South County is not closing a split feeder. It is making an existing split feeder worse.

Closing the Sangster split feeder would involve rezoning it to Lake Braddock with the rest of the school, which is an equal swap with WSHS and keeps that Sangster neighborhood in the same general community, while not affecting housing values one dollar either way.

Sangster is a split feeder with an attendance island, and that island could be moved to a different ES, MS, and HS.

I am not advocating that this could occur but if it did it would be one of multiple boundary changes that might prompt some opposition. PP indicated that they weren't aware if eliminating any split feeders or attendance islands would involve redistricting to a "poorer performing school."

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How is a boundary change messing with the free market? A perfect market already factors in the possibility that areas on the periphery of a school boundary in a county-wide system may be more susceptible to being rezoned to a less “desirable” school.

Of course, the art is properly calculating that possibility, and perhaps most have understood that there should be compelling reasons to redistrict based on severe overcrowding or under-enrollment. But in that case your stronger argument is that those conditions do not currently exist, not that FCPS is interfering with a free housing market. You are still completely free to buy and sell properties at market terms.

Please show me a real estate listing in Fairfax that mentions that caveat.

When a neighborhood is decades old and has been assigned to the same school since its existence, one can jump to the conclusion that it is "safe from redistricting." That is, unless it has UMC kids. Then, the SB eyes it with glee..

Absolutely. +100. Even now, unsuspecting families are buying homes in the school board’s crosshairs in part because they are advertising the sought after school districts in the mls listings.

All these caveat emptor posters really are something else.

Ethically, realtors and real estate listings are actually not able to speak to purported school performance – but the scores are allowed into the listings via Great Schools and people can read into that what they wish. Realtors and the actual listings have to be very objective, otherwise they can be violating Fair Housing laws.

Right, and the equity warriors clamor that the buyers should just magically know they are buying into boundary changes. Really bizarre.

What do you mean by equity warrior? Genuinely curious because people keep throwing that saying around on this forum. Some things need to change as the burgeoning population of FFX County has caused issues. But no, don't think anybody is saying they should magically know....moreso saying, sucks for you. As another poster said, individual family problems are their own.

PP just uses "equity warrior" to refer to anyone who challenges the notion that they have a right in perpetuity to attend Langley High School.

Just haven’t heard any compelling reason to redistrict, and even the capacity issues (Fcps doesn’t really factor in residential development so garbage in garbage out on this front) and transportation (commutes less than an hour don’t hurt sleep time or academics according to the Fcps study and negative transportation savings from grandfathering). The only thing left is equity. And that’s all we hear you incessantly carry on about.

Equity isn’t the only thing left! There are still a lot of split feeders and attendance islands that haven’t been addressed. A popular sentiment is not breaking up friend groups, right?

Fair. Way less offensive than some of the oft discussed changes in this thread. Probably would prove a lot less divisive too, though I’m not sure if that would result in any of the split feeders or attendance islands getting redistricted to a poorer performing school.

That just underscores how you are focused only on maintaining the Langley pyramid as currently constituted.

The elimination of split feeders and attendance islands could result in many situations where students were redistricted to a "poorer performing school" (i.e., a school ranked lower or with lower average SAT scores). The families that are potentially affected are just not coming on here every day and alleging that any such moves could only be the result of "equity warriors."

Examples would include making Carson feed exclusively to Westfield, making Timber Lane feed exclusively to Falls Church, making Rolling Valley feed exclusively to Lewis, or reassigning the Sangster island to South County.

Reaasigning the Sangster island to South County is not closing a split feeder. It is making an existing split feeder worse.

Closing the Sangster split feeder would involve rezoning it to Lake Braddock with the rest of the school, which is an equal swap with WSHS and keeps that Sangster neighborhood in the same general community, while not affecting housing values one dollar either way.

Sangster should definitely all go to Lake Braddock. However, the Sangster island should be eliminated. Those kids should attend South County and Newington Forest.

They won't touch Rolling Valley because it literally abuts WSHS. If anything, they will allow it all to go to WSHS. South of parkway homes attending Hunt Valley are in jeopardy of getting sent to Saratoga and Lewis. That would free up space at Hunt Valley for Orange Hunt kids.

Lewis is nearly twice as far away than South County high school for the HV neighborhoods south of the Parkway. South County is also under enrolled by a similar percentage as Lewis.

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How is a boundary change messing with the free market? A perfect market already factors in the possibility that areas on the periphery of a school boundary in a county-wide system may be more susceptible to being rezoned to a less “desirable” school.

Of course, the art is properly calculating that possibility, and perhaps most have understood that there should be compelling reasons to redistrict based on severe overcrowding or under-enrollment. But in that case your stronger argument is that those conditions do not currently exist, not that FCPS is interfering with a free housing market. You are still completely free to buy and sell properties at market terms.

Please show me a real estate listing in Fairfax that mentions that caveat.

When a neighborhood is decades old and has been assigned to the same school since its existence, one can jump to the conclusion that it is "safe from redistricting." That is, unless it has UMC kids. Then, the SB eyes it with glee..

Absolutely. +100. Even now, unsuspecting families are buying homes in the school board’s crosshairs in part because they are advertising the sought after school districts in the mls listings.

All these caveat emptor posters really are something else.

Ethically, realtors and real estate listings are actually not able to speak to purported school performance – but the scores are allowed into the listings via Great Schools and people can read into that what they wish. Realtors and the actual listings have to be very objective, otherwise they can be violating Fair Housing laws.

Right, and the equity warriors clamor that the buyers should just magically know they are buying into boundary changes. Really bizarre.

What do you mean by equity warrior? Genuinely curious because people keep throwing that saying around on this forum. Some things need to change as the burgeoning population of FFX County has caused issues. But no, don't think anybody is saying they should magically know....moreso saying, sucks for you. As another poster said, individual family problems are their own.

PP just uses "equity warrior" to refer to anyone who challenges the notion that they have a right in perpetuity to attend Langley High School.

Just haven’t heard any compelling reason to redistrict, and even the capacity issues (Fcps doesn’t really factor in residential development so garbage in garbage out on this front) and transportation (commutes less than an hour don’t hurt sleep time or academics according to the Fcps study and negative transportation savings from grandfathering). The only thing left is equity. And that’s all we hear you incessantly carry on about.

Equity isn’t the only thing left! There are still a lot of split feeders and attendance islands that haven’t been addressed. A popular sentiment is not breaking up friend groups, right?

Fair. Way less offensive than some of the oft discussed changes in this thread. Probably would prove a lot less divisive too, though I’m not sure if that would result in any of the split feeders or attendance islands getting redistricted to a poorer performing school.

That just underscores how you are focused only on maintaining the Langley pyramid as currently constituted.

The elimination of split feeders and attendance islands could result in many situations where students were redistricted to a "poorer performing school" (i.e., a school ranked lower or with lower average SAT scores). The families that are potentially affected are just not coming on here every day and alleging that any such moves could only be the result of "equity warriors."

Examples would include making Carson feed exclusively to Westfield, making Timber Lane feed exclusively to Falls Church, making Rolling Valley feed exclusively to Lewis, or reassigning the Sangster island to South County.

Reaasigning the Sangster island to South County is not closing a split feeder. It is making an existing split feeder worse.

Closing the Sangster split feeder would involve rezoning it to Lake Braddock with the rest of the school, which is an equal swap with WSHS and keeps that Sangster neighborhood in the same general community, while not affecting housing values one dollar either way.

Sangster should definitely all go to Lake Braddock. However, the Sangster island should be eliminated. Those kids should attend South County and Newington Forest.

They won't touch Rolling Valley because it literally abuts WSHS. If anything, they will allow it all to go to WSHS. South of parkway homes attending Hunt Valley are in jeopardy of getting sent to Saratoga and Lewis. That would free up space at Hunt Valley for Orange Hunt kids.

Clearly you are unfamiliar with the area.

The Sangster attendance island is the neighborhood that Sangster actually sits in. It is the walk zone for Sangster elementary.

And when I say walk zone, I literally mean walk zone. Many of those families are so close to Sangster that they walk out the door, cross the street and walk into Sangster.

Suggesting that FCPS sends the Sangster attendance island to Newington Forest is just laughable and shows zero understanding of the neighborhoods in that area.

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How is a boundary change messing with the free market? A perfect market already factors in the possibility that areas on the periphery of a school boundary in a county-wide system may be more susceptible to being rezoned to a less “desirable” school.

Of course, the art is properly calculating that possibility, and perhaps most have understood that there should be compelling reasons to redistrict based on severe overcrowding or under-enrollment. But in that case your stronger argument is that those conditions do not currently exist, not that FCPS is interfering with a free housing market. You are still completely free to buy and sell properties at market terms.

Please show me a real estate listing in Fairfax that mentions that caveat.

When a neighborhood is decades old and has been assigned to the same school since its existence, one can jump to the conclusion that it is "safe from redistricting." That is, unless it has UMC kids. Then, the SB eyes it with glee..

Absolutely. +100. Even now, unsuspecting families are buying homes in the school board’s crosshairs in part because they are advertising the sought after school districts in the mls listings.

All these caveat emptor posters really are something else.

Ethically, realtors and real estate listings are actually not able to speak to purported school performance – but the scores are allowed into the listings via Great Schools and people can read into that what they wish. Realtors and the actual listings have to be very objective, otherwise they can be violating Fair Housing laws.

People home shopping can just take the home address, plug it into FCPS boundary locator, and the school pops up.

They then just go to the school profile to get information about the school such as free lunch or ESOL stats.

Then, they go to the state of Virginia website with the school names, and get the accreditation info.

Great schools in convenient, but completely unnecessary to research before you buy.

Right, just not seeing how this process keys potential buyers into the very real redistricting threat, as the sb shills like to parrots.

As a threshold matter, a buyer in Fairfax County, should understand they are buying in a county that operates a county-wide school system, not a town-based one like in much of New England or the Mid-Atlantic.

Then, if they are checking out the specific assigned schools, the FCPS boundary locator states prominently "Please note that school boundaries may be adjusted by the School Board. FCPS provides no guarantee that any residential address will continually be served by the same elementary, middle, and/or high school(s) or AAP center(s)."

If they were to look at boundary maps, whether on the FCPS web site or real estate sites like Redfin, they can aksi see whether a house is on the periphery of a school boundary or close to the school.

None of this provides a roadmap as to whether a neighborhood will, in fact, be redistricted, but it provides enough information to put people on notice that their school assignments may change. That information, in turn, is reflected more generally in the prices for properties in a neighborhood. If the boundaries do change, it is not quite the bait-and-switch that posters who don't want to be redistricted (and we all get that, as people rarely want to be redistricted) are claiming it is.

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How is a boundary change messing with the free market? A perfect market already factors in the possibility that areas on the periphery of a school boundary in a county-wide system may be more susceptible to being rezoned to a less “desirable” school.

Of course, the art is properly calculating that possibility, and perhaps most have understood that there should be compelling reasons to redistrict based on severe overcrowding or under-enrollment. But in that case your stronger argument is that those conditions do not currently exist, not that FCPS is interfering with a free housing market. You are still completely free to buy and sell properties at market terms.

Please show me a real estate listing in Fairfax that mentions that caveat.

When a neighborhood is decades old and has been assigned to the same school since its existence, one can jump to the conclusion that it is "safe from redistricting." That is, unless it has UMC kids. Then, the SB eyes it with glee..

Absolutely. +100. Even now, unsuspecting families are buying homes in the school board’s crosshairs in part because they are advertising the sought after school districts in the mls listings.

All these caveat emptor posters really are something else.

Ethically, realtors and real estate listings are actually not able to speak to purported school performance – but the scores are allowed into the listings via Great Schools and people can read into that what they wish. Realtors and the actual listings have to be very objective, otherwise they can be violating Fair Housing laws.

Right, and the equity warriors clamor that the buyers should just magically know they are buying into boundary changes. Really bizarre.

What do you mean by equity warrior? Genuinely curious because people keep throwing that saying around on this forum. Some things need to change as the burgeoning population of FFX County has caused issues. But no, don't think anybody is saying they should magically know....moreso saying, sucks for you. As another poster said, individual family problems are their own.

PP just uses "equity warrior" to refer to anyone who challenges the notion that they have a right in perpetuity to attend Langley High School.

Just haven’t heard any compelling reason to redistrict, and even the capacity issues (Fcps doesn’t really factor in residential development so garbage in garbage out on this front) and transportation (commutes less than an hour don’t hurt sleep time or academics according to the Fcps study and negative transportation savings from grandfathering). The only thing left is equity. And that’s all we hear you incessantly carry on about.

Equity isn’t the only thing left! There are still a lot of split feeders and attendance islands that haven’t been addressed. A popular sentiment is not breaking up friend groups, right?

Fair. Way less offensive than some of the oft discussed changes in this thread. Probably would prove a lot less divisive too, though I’m not sure if that would result in any of the split feeders or attendance islands getting redistricted to a poorer performing school.

That just underscores how you are focused only on maintaining the Langley pyramid as currently constituted.

The elimination of split feeders and attendance islands could result in many situations where students were redistricted to a "poorer performing school" (i.e., a school ranked lower or with lower average SAT scores). The families that are potentially affected are just not coming on here every day and alleging that any such moves could only be the result of "equity warriors."

Examples would include making Carson feed exclusively to Westfield, making Timber Lane feed exclusively to Falls Church, making Rolling Valley feed exclusively to Lewis, or reassigning the Sangster island to South County.

Reaasigning the Sangster island to South County is not closing a split feeder. It is making an existing split feeder worse.

Closing the Sangster split feeder would involve rezoning it to Lake Braddock with the rest of the school, which is an equal swap with WSHS and keeps that Sangster neighborhood in the same general community, while not affecting housing values one dollar either way.

Sangster should definitely all go to Lake Braddock. However, the Sangster island should be eliminated. Those kids should attend South County and Newington Forest.

They won't touch Rolling Valley because it literally abuts WSHS. If anything, they will allow it all to go to WSHS. South of parkway homes attending Hunt Valley are in jeopardy of getting sent to Saratoga and Lewis. That would free up space at Hunt Valley for Orange Hunt kids.

Clearly you are unfamiliar with the area.

The Sangster attendance island is the neighborhood that Sangster actually sits in. It is the walk zone for Sangster elementary.

And when I say walk zone, I literally mean walk zone. Many of those families are so close to Sangster that they walk out the door, cross the street and walk into Sangster.

Suggesting that FCPS sends the Sangster attendance island to Newington Forest is just laughable and shows zero understanding of the neighborhoods in that area.

You seem to be referring to the part of Sangster that attends West Springfield as the "Sangster attendance island," but the rest of us are referring to the small area zoned for Sangster that is neither the neighborhood where Sangster sits or contiguous to the rest of the Sangster attendance area.

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How is a boundary change messing with the free market? A perfect market already factors in the possibility that areas on the periphery of a school boundary in a county-wide system may be more susceptible to being rezoned to a less “desirable” school.

Of course, the art is properly calculating that possibility, and perhaps most have understood that there should be compelling reasons to redistrict based on severe overcrowding or under-enrollment. But in that case your stronger argument is that those conditions do not currently exist, not that FCPS is interfering with a free housing market. You are still completely free to buy and sell properties at market terms.

Please show me a real estate listing in Fairfax that mentions that caveat.

When a neighborhood is decades old and has been assigned to the same school since its existence, one can jump to the conclusion that it is "safe from redistricting." That is, unless it has UMC kids. Then, the SB eyes it with glee..

Absolutely. +100. Even now, unsuspecting families are buying homes in the school board’s crosshairs in part because they are advertising the sought after school districts in the mls listings.

All these caveat emptor posters really are something else.

Ethically, realtors and real estate listings are actually not able to speak to purported school performance – but the scores are allowed into the listings via Great Schools and people can read into that what they wish. Realtors and the actual listings have to be very objective, otherwise they can be violating Fair Housing laws.

Right, and the equity warriors clamor that the buyers should just magically know they are buying into boundary changes. Really bizarre.

What do you mean by equity warrior? Genuinely curious because people keep throwing that saying around on this forum. Some things need to change as the burgeoning population of FFX County has caused issues. But no, don't think anybody is saying they should magically know....moreso saying, sucks for you. As another poster said, individual family problems are their own.

PP just uses "equity warrior" to refer to anyone who challenges the notion that they have a right in perpetuity to attend Langley High School.

Just haven’t heard any compelling reason to redistrict, and even the capacity issues (Fcps doesn’t really factor in residential development so garbage in garbage out on this front) and transportation (commutes less than an hour don’t hurt sleep time or academics according to the Fcps study and negative transportation savings from grandfathering). The only thing left is equity. And that’s all we hear you incessantly carry on about.

Equity isn’t the only thing left! There are still a lot of split feeders and attendance islands that haven’t been addressed. A popular sentiment is not breaking up friend groups, right?

Fair. Way less offensive than some of the oft discussed changes in this thread. Probably would prove a lot less divisive too, though I’m not sure if that would result in any of the split feeders or attendance islands getting redistricted to a poorer performing school.

That just underscores how you are focused only on maintaining the Langley pyramid as currently constituted.

The elimination of split feeders and attendance islands could result in many situations where students were redistricted to a "poorer performing school" (i.e., a school ranked lower or with lower average SAT scores). The families that are potentially affected are just not coming on here every day and alleging that any such moves could only be the result of "equity warriors."

Examples would include making Carson feed exclusively to Westfield, making Timber Lane feed exclusively to Falls Church, making Rolling Valley feed exclusively to Lewis, or reassigning the Sangster island to South County.

Reaasigning the Sangster island to South County is not closing a split feeder. It is making an existing split feeder worse.

Closing the Sangster split feeder would involve rezoning it to Lake Braddock with the rest of the school, which is an equal swap with WSHS and keeps that Sangster neighborhood in the same general community, while not affecting housing values one dollar either way.

Sangster should definitely all go to Lake Braddock. However, the Sangster island should be eliminated. Those kids should attend South County and Newington Forest.

They won't touch Rolling Valley because it literally abuts WSHS. If anything, they will allow it all to go to WSHS. South of parkway homes attending Hunt Valley are in jeopardy of getting sent to Saratoga and Lewis. That would free up space at Hunt Valley for Orange Hunt kids.

Lewis is nearly twice as far away than South County high school for the HV neighborhoods south of the Parkway. South County is also under enrolled by a similar percentage as Lewis.

Saratoga Elementary school is more than twice the distance (3.9 miles) to the Gambrill neighbohoods of Vogell's Way according to google maps.

Hunt Valley is just on the edge of the walk zone (1.4 miles) using the same Vogel's Way starting point.

South county and WSHS are also both much closer to the Gambril neighborhoods than Lewis, which is at least double the time and distance.

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How is a boundary change messing with the free market? A perfect market already factors in the possibility that areas on the periphery of a school boundary in a county-wide system may be more susceptible to being rezoned to a less “desirable” school.

Of course, the art is properly calculating that possibility, and perhaps most have understood that there should be compelling reasons to redistrict based on severe overcrowding or under-enrollment. But in that case your stronger argument is that those conditions do not currently exist, not that FCPS is interfering with a free housing market. You are still completely free to buy and sell properties at market terms.

Please show me a real estate listing in Fairfax that mentions that caveat.

When a neighborhood is decades old and has been assigned to the same school since its existence, one can jump to the conclusion that it is "safe from redistricting." That is, unless it has UMC kids. Then, the SB eyes it with glee..

Absolutely. +100. Even now, unsuspecting families are buying homes in the school board’s crosshairs in part because they are advertising the sought after school districts in the mls listings.

All these caveat emptor posters really are something else.

Ethically, realtors and real estate listings are actually not able to speak to purported school performance – but the scores are allowed into the listings via Great Schools and people can read into that what they wish. Realtors and the actual listings have to be very objective, otherwise they can be violating Fair Housing laws.

Right, and the equity warriors clamor that the buyers should just magically know they are buying into boundary changes. Really bizarre.

What do you mean by equity warrior? Genuinely curious because people keep throwing that saying around on this forum. Some things need to change as the burgeoning population of FFX County has caused issues. But no, don't think anybody is saying they should magically know....moreso saying, sucks for you. As another poster said, individual family problems are their own.

PP just uses "equity warrior" to refer to anyone who challenges the notion that they have a right in perpetuity to attend Langley High School.

Just haven’t heard any compelling reason to redistrict, and even the capacity issues (Fcps doesn’t really factor in residential development so garbage in garbage out on this front) and transportation (commutes less than an hour don’t hurt sleep time or academics according to the Fcps study and negative transportation savings from grandfathering). The only thing left is equity. And that’s all we hear you incessantly carry on about.

Equity isn’t the only thing left! There are still a lot of split feeders and attendance islands that haven’t been addressed. A popular sentiment is not breaking up friend groups, right?

Fair. Way less offensive than some of the oft discussed changes in this thread. Probably would prove a lot less divisive too, though I’m not sure if that would result in any of the split feeders or attendance islands getting redistricted to a poorer performing school.

That just underscores how you are focused only on maintaining the Langley pyramid as currently constituted.

The elimination of split feeders and attendance islands could result in many situations where students were redistricted to a "poorer performing school" (i.e., a school ranked lower or with lower average SAT scores). The families that are potentially affected are just not coming on here every day and alleging that any such moves could only be the result of "equity warriors."

Examples would include making Carson feed exclusively to Westfield, making Timber Lane feed exclusively to Falls Church, making Rolling Valley feed exclusively to Lewis, or reassigning the Sangster island to South County.

Reaasigning the Sangster island to South County is not closing a split feeder. It is making an existing split feeder worse.

Closing the Sangster split feeder would involve rezoning it to Lake Braddock with the rest of the school, which is an equal swap with WSHS and keeps that Sangster neighborhood in the same general community, while not affecting housing values one dollar either way.

Sangster should definitely all go to Lake Braddock. However, the Sangster island should be eliminated. Those kids should attend South County and Newington Forest.

They won't touch Rolling Valley because it literally abuts WSHS. If anything, they will allow it all to go to WSHS. South of parkway homes attending Hunt Valley are in jeopardy of getting sent to Saratoga and Lewis. That would free up space at Hunt Valley for Orange Hunt kids.

Clearly you are unfamiliar with the area.

The Sangster attendance island is the neighborhood that Sangster actually sits in. It is the walk zone for Sangster elementary.

And when I say walk zone, I literally mean walk zone. Many of those families are so close to Sangster that they walk out the door, cross the street and walk into Sangster.

Suggesting that FCPS sends the Sangster attendance island to Newington Forest is just laughable and shows zero understanding of the neighborhoods in that area.

No, I'm not. Those kids in that little island next to Pohick and Middle Run do no walk across the parkway to school. It is literally an island for Sangster. The island next to St. Raymond.