Biden's VP?

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Anonymous wrote:If America is stupid enough to reelect Trump because they don’t like Kamala Harris as Biden’s running mate, I’m done with this fking country.

DH works for a Canadian company that would happily relocate him to Toronto. I’ll figure something out, work-wise.

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I don’t like Kamala Harris for VP. At all. I am still voting Biden, and it makes me see puce-magenta-red that people think that this is even a choice they could *not* make. I don’t care if he names the corpse of Karl Marx, no one who loves this country should pick the GOP for anything ever ever again. That treacherous, cheating, lying, hypocritical party that has sold out our country, thinks slavery was a good idea, thinks the Gestapo in blue cities is a good idea, loves locking babies in cages and slaughters 150,000 Americans but still obsesses over butteremails and benghazi should be locked into solitary confinement, starved and then taken out to be dealt with by a firing squad. It doesnt fcking matter who Biden picks. If you’re a decent human, you’re voting Biden.

100%. Biden could choose my neighbor’s dog and I’d be fine with it because my neighbor’s dog would do less damage to this country than another term of Trump/Pence. I’m fairly certain my neighbor’s dog won’t send anonymous fed thugs into cities to kidnap random protestors.

I think it’s safe to say your neighbor’s dog also wouldn’t commit treason with six different countries and steal from the taxpayers.

On a serious note, I am a hardcore Warren supporter (though I am voting for Biden/Whoever whenever my ballot arrives in a few weeks), but I like what another PP has said about Bass.

I was also a hardcore Bass supporter for the top of the ticket, but support Bass for VP.

^^**Warren for the top, ha

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Anonymous wrote:How will choosing Harris help in swing states again?

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She could help with AA turnout in some swing states, eg Pennsylvania and Michigan. But any of the Black prospects would do that, with the possible exception of Rice. Anyway she lost me with her horrible campaign. Just because she’s experienced doesn’t mean she’s any good at it. I would like to see her step out if the spotlight put her head down and do the work for the next four years to develop policy expertise and become an effective legislator (or AG if that’s her path). Tired of celebrity politicians who are more show than substance.

Sure. Please vote for Trump.

I'm not one saying I'll vote for Trump or not vote. However, I'll be motivated by anti-Trump sentiment not enthusiasm for the ticket if Harris is the pick. Biden was difficult enough to come to terms with. I also find it interesting that not one Harris supporter can defend her lack of policy expertise. Other than her charisma and good looks, why exactly are you supporting her again?

She is OK at retail politics, which frankly speaking, matters a lot in the US. We are no Germany and we would never elect a Markel.

You can appoint the best policy wonks and LISTEN to them. That is a leader. A leader does not have to be a policy wonk himself or herself.

I'm not sure she is that great at retail politics, since her negatives are high.

We can agree to disagree on your second point. I would prefer members of the highest office have a solid base in policy.

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As a moderate, one of those that the Democratic ticket needs to appease, I am fine voting for Biden with most of the prospective VP candidates. Warren concerns me and might make me vote for Trump because right now the country cannot afford the extremely expensive progressive plans that the left wing are pushing. I don't know enough about Bass yet to know whether she is too progressive to vote for. The country was in terrible financial shape before and now with so many expensive stimulus and recovery packages (which I agree we need), I think we would jeopardize the financial future of the country if we try to implement too many of the progressive plans.

Although I am likely to vote for Biden with anyone (even the progressives), I still have doubts. And as a left-leaning moderate, if I have doubts, I think the right-leaning moderates will have bigger doubts. Biden got where it was by sticking to the straight and narrow middle ground. He's already started leaning left with the platform that he's revealed so far, adopting several of Sanders' plans. Now is not the time to double down and add a progressive VP. If he does that, he may lose a lot of the lead that he's built. He needs to stick to the moderate plan that got him where he is and pick one of the many qualified moderate VP candidates.

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Anonymous wrote:As a moderate, one of those that the Democratic ticket needs to appease, I am fine voting for Biden with most of the prospective VP candidates. Warren concerns me and might make me vote for Trump because right now the country cannot afford the extremely expensive progressive plans that the left wing are pushing. I don't know enough about Bass yet to know whether she is too progressive to vote for. The country was in terrible financial shape before and now with so many expensive stimulus and recovery packages (which I agree we need), I think we would jeopardize the financial future of the country if we try to implement too many of the progressive plans.

Although I am likely to vote for Biden with anyone (even the progressives), I still have doubts. And as a left-leaning moderate, if I have doubts, I think the right-leaning moderates will have bigger doubts. Biden got where it was by sticking to the straight and narrow middle ground. He's already started leaning left with the platform that he's revealed so far, adopting several of Sanders' plans. Now is not the time to double down and add a progressive VP. If he does that, he may lose a lot of the lead that he's built. He needs to stick to the moderate plan that got him where he is and pick one of the many qualified moderate VP candidates.

You’re not a left leaning anything if you think that anyone in the Democratic Party will cost the US more than the GOP.

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Anonymous wrote:How will choosing Harris help in swing states again?

Have you been looking at the polling in swing states? Biden doesn’t need a huge amount of help.

The following swing states have enough polling to compute a 538 polling average:

Florida: Biden +6
Michigan: Biden +8
Ohio: Trump +0.4
Pennsylvania: Biden + 7
Wisconsin: Biden +7

A surprise swing state: Texas: Biden +0.7

And don’t talk to me about Clinton because she did not have those polling numbers in July 2016.

Agree. The goal here should be to choose someone that won't damage the campaign.

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Anonymous wrote:How will choosing Harris help in swing states again?

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She could help with AA turnout in some swing states, eg Pennsylvania and Michigan. But any of the Black prospects would do that, with the possible exception of Rice. Anyway she lost me with her horrible campaign. Just because she’s experienced doesn’t mean she’s any good at it. I would like to see her step out if the spotlight put her head down and do the work for the next four years to develop policy expertise and become an effective legislator (or AG if that’s her path). Tired of celebrity politicians who are more show than substance.

Sure. Please vote for Trump.

I'm not one saying I'll vote for Trump or not vote. However, I'll be motivated by anti-Trump sentiment not enthusiasm for the ticket if Harris is the pick. Biden was difficult enough to come to terms with. I also find it interesting that not one Harris supporter can defend her lack of policy expertise. Other than her charisma and good looks, why exactly are you supporting her again?

She is OK at retail politics, which frankly speaking, matters a lot in the US. We are no Germany and we would never elect a Markel.

You can appoint the best policy wonks and LISTEN to them. That is a leader. A leader does not have to be a policy wonk himself or herself.

+1 - I mean, this is what Obama did. No one can seriously argue that Obama had a long history of policy expertise when he became President.

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Anonymous wrote:How will choosing Harris help in swing states again?

Have you been looking at the polling in swing states? Biden doesn’t need a huge amount of help.

The following swing states have enough polling to compute a 538 polling average:

Florida: Biden +6
Michigan: Biden +8
Ohio: Trump +0.4
Pennsylvania: Biden + 7
Wisconsin: Biden +7

A surprise swing state: Texas: Biden +0.7

And don’t talk to me about Clinton because she did not have those polling numbers in July 2016.

Agree. The goal here should be to choose someone that won't damage the campaign.

The help he is going to need is rebuilding the country, it’s health, economy and global status. Harris doesn’t have the chops for that.

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Anonymous wrote:As a moderate, one of those that the Democratic ticket needs to appease, I am fine voting for Biden with most of the prospective VP candidates. Warren concerns me and might make me vote for Trump because right now the country cannot afford the extremely expensive progressive plans that the left wing are pushing. I don't know enough about Bass yet to know whether she is too progressive to vote for. The country was in terrible financial shape before and now with so many expensive stimulus and recovery packages (which I agree we need), I think we would jeopardize the financial future of the country if we try to implement too many of the progressive plans.

Although I am likely to vote for Biden with anyone (even the progressives), I still have doubts. And as a left-leaning moderate, if I have doubts, I think the right-leaning moderates will have bigger doubts. Biden got where it was by sticking to the straight and narrow middle ground. He's already started leaning left with the platform that he's revealed so far, adopting several of Sanders' plans. Now is not the time to double down and add a progressive VP. If he does that, he may lose a lot of the lead that he's built. He needs to stick to the moderate plan that got him where he is and pick one of the many qualified moderate VP candidates.

You’re not a left leaning anything if you think that anyone in the Democratic Party will cost the US more than the GOP.

He's the problem. Both parties have strayed so far from the middle that they no longer even knows what the middle looks like.

There is no doubt why both parties are shrinking in voter registration and the Independent party is growing.
In 2008, registered voters included 43.62% Democrats, 30.72% Republicans and 23.98% Independents
In 2016, registered voters included 40.6% Democrats, 29.37% Republicans and 27.72% Independents.
In 2020, registered voters include 39.66% Democrats, 28.87% Republicans and 29.09% Indendents.

In addition, the extreme views of the parties are diverging so much that even compromise is hard to get. Both sides are committed to all or nothing politics and that is why we have such do-nothing Congresses. Since 2008, both sides have been moving further apart and moderates in both parties, those who used to be able to broker compromise deals to actually get things done, were voted out for more extreme candidates in both parties. And as a result you get nothing done, but a lot of rhetoric and political posturing.

People like you are part of the problem. If you insist on painting the world in black and white and refusing to acknowledge shades of gray, you get the horrible government we've inherited. All of you pushing for the progressive Sanders, Warren and the Squad are just as bad as the Tea Party and evangelical right. And more and more of the country is getting sick of the extremists running the government. Biden's ascendancy to the party ticket shows that there are more interested in returning to the moderate line than pushing further out. Biden would do well to respect the lesson that got him where he is and to keep to that path. Throwing his hat in with the progressives will not be a good move on his part and he needs to be careful.

Go ahead and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Push the progressive agenda at the cost of throwing away the win. I hope you are happy to stick to your guns, win the battle and lose the war, because that is a very likely possibility for those who push the Progressive agenda.

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Lol. Where did I push the progressive agenda? I merely pointed out that if you look at EVERYTHINGGGGGGG the GOP has done in the last three and a half years INCLUDING basically bankrupting the US, but with a delayed action so we won’t actually realize the full extent of the damage for a while, and you still scratch your butt, mumble “BUH BOTH SIDES” and accuse me of being the problem, I stand by my statement: “You’re not a left leaning anything if you think that anyone in the Democratic Party will cost the US more than the GOP.“ Literally nothing in your screed addresses that.

It’s vote blue no matter what if you still want an America.

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Anonymous wrote:As a moderate, one of those that the Democratic ticket needs to appease, I am fine voting for Biden with most of the prospective VP candidates. Warren concerns me and might make me vote for Trump because right now the country cannot afford the extremely expensive progressive plans that the left wing are pushing. I don't know enough about Bass yet to know whether she is too progressive to vote for. The country was in terrible financial shape before and now with so many expensive stimulus and recovery packages (which I agree we need), I think we would jeopardize the financial future of the country if we try to implement too many of the progressive plans.

Although I am likely to vote for Biden with anyone (even the progressives), I still have doubts. And as a left-leaning moderate, if I have doubts, I think the right-leaning moderates will have bigger doubts. Biden got where it was by sticking to the straight and narrow middle ground. He's already started leaning left with the platform that he's revealed so far, adopting several of Sanders' plans. Now is not the time to double down and add a progressive VP. If he does that, he may lose a lot of the lead that he's built. He needs to stick to the moderate plan that got him where he is and pick one of the many qualified moderate VP candidates.

You’re not a left leaning anything if you think that anyone in the Democratic Party will cost the US more than the GOP.

He's the problem. Both parties have strayed so far from the middle that they no longer even knows what the middle looks like.

There is no doubt why both parties are shrinking in voter registration and the Independent party is growing.
In 2008, registered voters included 43.62% Democrats, 30.72% Republicans and 23.98% Independents
In 2016, registered voters included 40.6% Democrats, 29.37% Republicans and 27.72% Independents.
In 2020, registered voters include 39.66% Democrats, 28.87% Republicans and 29.09% Indendents.

In addition, the extreme views of the parties are diverging so much that even compromise is hard to get. Both sides are committed to all or nothing politics and that is why we have such do-nothing Congresses. Since 2008, both sides have been moving further apart and moderates in both parties, those who used to be able to broker compromise deals to actually get things done, were voted out for more extreme candidates in both parties. And as a result you get nothing done, but a lot of rhetoric and political posturing.

People like you are part of the problem. If you insist on painting the world in black and white and refusing to acknowledge shades of gray, you get the horrible government we've inherited. All of you pushing for the progressive Sanders, Warren and the Squad are just as bad as the Tea Party and evangelical right. And more and more of the country is getting sick of the extremists running the government. Biden's ascendancy to the party ticket shows that there are more interested in returning to the moderate line than pushing further out. Biden would do well to respect the lesson that got him where he is and to keep to that path. Throwing his hat in with the progressives will not be a good move on his part and he needs to be careful.

Go ahead and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Push the progressive agenda at the cost of throwing away the win. I hope you are happy to stick to your guns, win the battle and lose the war, because that is a very likely possibility for those who push the Progressive agenda.

While I wholeheartedly agree both parties are awful, that awfulness isn’t necessarily the product of ‘extremism’. Similarly, moderation or centrism isn’t necessarily good. Ideology is only part of the picture. Awful leadership can be a serious issue with any ideology.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. Where did I push the progressive agenda? I merely pointed out that if you look at EVERYTHINGGGGGGG the GOP has done in the last three and a half years INCLUDING basically bankrupting the US, but with a delayed action so we won’t actually realize the full extent of the damage for a while, and you still scratch your butt, mumble “BUH BOTH SIDES” and accuse me of being the problem, I stand by my statement: “You’re not a left leaning anything if you think that anyone in the Democratic Party will cost the US more than the GOP.“ Literally nothing in your screed addresses that.

It’s vote blue no matter what if you still want an America.

By categorizing anyone who won't vote for a ticket with a Progressive on it as not left leaning, you are contributing to the problem of casting the world in black and white. People can be left leaning and not want a progressive agenda. People can be left leaning moderate and not want to support a progressive candidate. There are millions like this.

I'm not saying "but both sides". I'm saying that we need a moderate ticket to heal and repair the problems. I'm saying that right now, the country cannot afford a progressive agenda. And I'm saying that putting a progressive on the ticket is likely to cost Biden the swing states and the moderate voters that he needs to win the election. Biden has the popularity to win. As long as he doesn't select a candidate that will capsize his boat. Warren is the most likely to do that. Bass could possibly do that, but the jury is out because like me, much of the country, especially in those critical swing states, doesn't know enough about her. Biden has many good choices for VP that will not stop his momentum. He needs to pick one of those.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a moderate, one of those that the Democratic ticket needs to appease, I am fine voting for Biden with most of the prospective VP candidates. Warren concerns me and might make me vote for Trump because right now the country cannot afford the extremely expensive progressive plans that the left wing are pushing. I don't know enough about Bass yet to know whether she is too progressive to vote for. The country was in terrible financial shape before and now with so many expensive stimulus and recovery packages (which I agree we need), I think we would jeopardize the financial future of the country if we try to implement too many of the progressive plans.

Although I am likely to vote for Biden with anyone (even the progressives), I still have doubts. And as a left-leaning moderate, if I have doubts, I think the right-leaning moderates will have bigger doubts. Biden got where it was by sticking to the straight and narrow middle ground. He's already started leaning left with the platform that he's revealed so far, adopting several of Sanders' plans. Now is not the time to double down and add a progressive VP. If he does that, he may lose a lot of the lead that he's built. He needs to stick to the moderate plan that got him where he is and pick one of the many qualified moderate VP candidates.

You’re not a left leaning anything if you think that anyone in the Democratic Party will cost the US more than the GOP.

He's the problem. Both parties have strayed so far from the middle that they no longer even knows what the middle looks like.

There is no doubt why both parties are shrinking in voter registration and the Independent party is growing.
In 2008, registered voters included 43.62% Democrats, 30.72% Republicans and 23.98% Independents
In 2016, registered voters included 40.6% Democrats, 29.37% Republicans and 27.72% Independents.
In 2020, registered voters include 39.66% Democrats, 28.87% Republicans and 29.09% Indendents.

In addition, the extreme views of the parties are diverging so much that even compromise is hard to get. Both sides are committed to all or nothing politics and that is why we have such do-nothing Congresses. Since 2008, both sides have been moving further apart and moderates in both parties, those who used to be able to broker compromise deals to actually get things done, were voted out for more extreme candidates in both parties. And as a result you get nothing done, but a lot of rhetoric and political posturing.

People like you are part of the problem. If you insist on painting the world in black and white and refusing to acknowledge shades of gray, you get the horrible government we've inherited. All of you pushing for the progressive Sanders, Warren and the Squad are just as bad as the Tea Party and evangelical right. And more and more of the country is getting sick of the extremists running the government. Biden's ascendancy to the party ticket shows that there are more interested in returning to the moderate line than pushing further out. Biden would do well to respect the lesson that got him where he is and to keep to that path. Throwing his hat in with the progressives will not be a good move on his part and he needs to be careful.

Go ahead and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Push the progressive agenda at the cost of throwing away the win. I hope you are happy to stick to your guns, win the battle and lose the war, because that is a very likely possibility for those who push the Progressive agenda.

While I wholeheartedly agree both parties are awful, that awfulness isn’t necessarily the product of ‘extremism’. Similarly, moderation or centrism isn’t necessarily good. Ideology is only part of the picture. Awful leadership can be a serious issue with any ideology.

Okay, I can go along with that (I'm the PP you are responding to). The problem is that the ideologues on both ends tend to push for ideology over leadership. They are more committed to their platform than they are to actually getting things done. Compromise has become an unacceptable word and so they would rather refuse to compromise and blame the other side than to actually work on getting part of what they want and getting something accomplished.

[Anonymous]

Whenever someone tells me what I HAVE to do to prove I am enough of whatever ideology they are militantly screeching about, I do the exact opposite. I will not vote Blue no matter what.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. Where did I push the progressive agenda? I merely pointed out that if you look at EVERYTHINGGGGGGG the GOP has done in the last three and a half years INCLUDING basically bankrupting the US, but with a delayed action so we won’t actually realize the full extent of the damage for a while, and you still scratch your butt, mumble “BUH BOTH SIDES” and accuse me of being the problem, I stand by my statement: “You’re not a left leaning anything if you think that anyone in the Democratic Party will cost the US more than the GOP.“ Literally nothing in your screed addresses that.

It’s vote blue no matter what if you still want an America.

By categorizing anyone who won't vote for a ticket with a Progressive on it as not left leaning, you are contributing to the problem of casting the world in black and white. People can be left leaning and not want a progressive agenda. People can be left leaning moderate and not want to support a progressive candidate. There are millions like this.

I'm not saying "but both sides". I'm saying that we need a moderate ticket to heal and repair the problems. I'm saying that right now, the country cannot afford a progressive agenda. And I'm saying that putting a progressive on the ticket is likely to cost Biden the swing states and the moderate voters that he needs to win the election. Biden has the popularity to win. As long as he doesn't select a candidate that will capsize his boat. Warren is the most likely to do that. Bass could possibly do that, but the jury is out because like me, much of the country, especially in those critical swing states, doesn't know enough about her. Biden has many good choices for VP that will not stop his momentum. He needs to pick one of those.

Strong disagree with your entire premise. Biden is a centrist. If people can’t get on board with Biden/Whoever because of alleged extremism, after watching the GOP co-sign a secret federal police force, giving away billions to billionaires and foreign-owned businesses, support treason, abandon checks and balances, etc etc etc etc, you’re not left leaning. You’re just not, that’s a fact.

I’m sorry that you’re uncomfortable with where we are, but this is not a normal election. America hangs in the balance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whenever someone tells me what I HAVE to do to prove I am enough of whatever ideology they are militantly screeching about, I do the exact opposite. I will not vote Blue no matter what.

Don't. Your loss.