Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:We need to hear more about this suspect in custody, ASAP. The longer they wait, the more conspiracy theories will flourish, and groups of people will be targeted in retaliation.

No

That’s not how it works at all.

Unclear why America needs to broadcast all its court cases, military strategies, and investigations.
Most countries do not whatsoever.

It’s an investigation and trial in court. Death penalty. They will get the details, not you.

That cuts both ways. You can’t lionize this man and spread rumors about the motive but then cover up the actual arrest and prosecution.

They can release the profile and not the name. Like they do in europe until prosecution time.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.

My college teens had never heard of him, when he was shot, they were told by friends that “he promotes gun violence and says horrific things”
So I guess it depends on who/where you are

My high school teen asked me about him last week so I explained scamming via 990s and explained that he's basically a con artist with rizz.

Face it, MOST “internet influencer” or “podcasters” never get traction and are drop out scam artists. Pushing cosmetics, pushing their personal option, pushing their Huak Tuan viral event for five mins.

Then there are the talented people who use them for civil discourse (Kirk) or broadening others horizons (Kelsey bros).

If you can’t tell the difference you’re not listening

Kirk did not engage in civil discourse. He was totally in category 1. He’s a “dumb man’s idea of a smart man” because he controlled his environment and doesn’t let informed people with opposing views speak at substantial length. He talked all day and never read or listened to anyone outside his echo chamber. At the moment he died he was on stage refusing to answer simple questions about gun violence.

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Anonymous wrote:The way MAGA is exploiting this to promote mass violence against totally unrelated people like HBCUs and transgender people, and persecuting people for acknowledging Kirk’s own public advocacy about 2nd Amendment, it’s looking more and more like a false flag operation.

What mass violence?

People are grieving and colleges have to revamp their speaker events.

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Anonymous wrote:For those questioning all the media coverage, it’s the first time an American has been publicly assassinated in the US for their political beliefs SINCE 1968. It’s a big deal.

Reagan was shot long after that. Yet we didn’t treat it like this.

He didn’t die.

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Anonymous wrote:To all the people who say that no one knew this guy and that their well-informed kids didn't know him... sorry, but your kids are not well-informed.

I am 50-year-old mom and I get that, if you don't ever look at social media you may not have heard of him, but if you have teens you absolutely should have.

Charlie Kirk was uber famous. There are memes about the memes about him.

I am looking forward to when the 48-hours expire and we can discuss some of his views here. I wholeheartedly respect DCUM's rules and I condemn in the strongest possible terms what happened to Charlie Kirk. No one asks or deserves to me murdered. Political violence is horrible for all of us. But Charlie Kirk was a very famous public figure and there is no contradiction between denouncing the assassination and critiquing his views.

I’ve never heard of him nor have my tweens. We aren’t big into SM though. Is Kirk kinda like Mr. Beast? I have heard of Mr. Beast? Is that his name? He had his own brand of lunchables.

If you had an 18 year old boy he would have heard of him. My college freshman said the killing was all his team talked about at practice yesterday. The team is a mix of conservative and liberal kids and opinions on Kirk ranged from adoration to disgust. He said they had a respectful discussion, which gave me great hope.

I'm struggling with adoration of hate and why people who were the targets of Kirk's hate need to be respectful.

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

The way the GOP is carrying on you would think the Almighty himself was the one who passed.

Why does them paying their respect to their friend bother you? And how does that compare to Saint Fauchi or Saint Floyd?

Because what other civilian has had a military honor guard like that? Bet you can’t name one off the top of your head.

Former First Ladies. And apparently, Charlie Kirk means as much to Trump as Melania does.

First ladies technically hold an “Office of Honor” even thought they do not collect a salary. They are a part of our government. Not CK.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to hear more about this suspect in custody, ASAP. The longer they wait, the more conspiracy theories will flourish, and groups of people will be targeted in retaliation.

No

That’s not how it works at all.

Unclear why America needs to broadcast all its court cases, military strategies, and investigations.
Most countries do not whatsoever.

It’s an investigation and trial in court. Death penalty. They will get the details, not you.

Then why even announce that a suspect is in custody?

So the tips can stop and people can be relieved a gunman murderer is not at large.

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Anonymous wrote:The way MAGA is exploiting this to promote mass violence against totally unrelated people like HBCUs and transgender people, and persecuting people for acknowledging Kirk’s own public advocacy about 2nd Amendment, it’s looking more and more like a false flag operation.

HBCUs are on lockdown because of the threats. Republicans are so reckless with their rhetoric. Somehow Charlie Kirk getting killed means that black people must have something to do with it causes threats to be made.

Republicans don't sit here and say that you are not violent when Trump is out hear blaming woke liberals causing chaos.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to hear more about this suspect in custody, ASAP. The longer they wait, the more conspiracy theories will flourish, and groups of people will be targeted in retaliation.

No

That’s not how it works at all.

Unclear why America needs to broadcast all its court cases, military strategies, and investigations.
Most countries do not whatsoever.

It’s an investigation and trial in court. Death penalty. They will get the details, not you.

Then why even announce that a suspect is in custody?

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_3_8_special_responsibilities_of_a_prosecutor/

See part f. To protect the integrity of a criminal case, a prosecutor and law enforcement should refrain from making unnecessary comments about a criminal defendant, especially where those comments are speculative. Notifying the public that a person who was the subject of a manhunt is one thing. Speculating about their motives and background in another.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to hear more about this suspect in custody, ASAP. The longer they wait, the more conspiracy theories will flourish, and groups of people will be targeted in retaliation.

No

That’s not how it works at all.

Unclear why America needs to broadcast all its court cases, military strategies, and investigations.
Most countries do not whatsoever.

It’s an investigation and trial in court. Death penalty. They will get the details, not you.

Authoritarian government killing citizens with secret justification is not how America works. Our ancestors or we fled countries that did that. We don’t want to turn into Russia, China, or North Korea.

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Anonymous wrote:We need to hear more about this suspect in custody, ASAP. The longer they wait, the more conspiracy theories will flourish, and groups of people will be targeted in retaliation.

No

That’s not how it works at all.

Unclear why America needs to broadcast all its court cases, military strategies, and investigations.
Most countries do not whatsoever.

It’s an investigation and trial in court. Death penalty. They will get the details, not you.

That cuts both ways. You can’t lionize this man and spread rumors about the motive but then cover up the actual arrest and prosecution.

They can release the profile and not the name. Like they do in europe until prosecution time.

If he is in custody, the prosecution has commenced. We don't hold people for extended periods of time without charges like in Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:For those questioning all the media coverage, it’s the first time an American has been publicly assassinated in the US for their political beliefs SINCE 1968. It’s a big deal.

Uh you’re forgetting the two legislators in MN.

That was not a public assassination. It took place in a private home.

What difference does THAT make?

Public assassinations tend to have a greater impact than private ones.

Public assassinations occur in front of witnesses or are captured by media, which amplifies the shock. The public setting turns the act into a spectacle, symbolizing a direct attack on shared values or leadership, which resonates widely and instantly. Private killings lack this immediate, communal exposure.

A public killing violates the sense of safety in shared spaces, making it feel like an attack on the public itself. Private assassinations feel more isolated, limiting the visceral sense of collective threat.

Hence the media coverage and why many are feeling this event deeply. It’s the first political assassination the public has witnessed in the US since 1968.

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Anonymous wrote:I think many of you leftists have no idea why Kirk's assassination has turned into such a big deal.

Kirk was doing it "the right way" according to the left. Disagree politely, listen, give the other side space.

And he was killed because leftists didn't like what he had to say (as this thread amply shows) and they didn't want him to keep saying it.

Lots and lots of the "Democrat base" are celebrating and cheering the deliberate murder of someone who had the guts to publicly disagree with the left. "Debate this!" I see the signs being posted on college campuses, with a drawing of Kirk bleeding out from his neck.

So.

What value is there is "peace" and "restraint" when leftists murdered the most prominent guy on the right who was all about peace and restraint? And celebrate his death?

If you leftists are so glad to see Kirk killed... well, there's no possibility of peace, is there. He WAS the "peaceful solution". And leftists murdered him for it. Or at least are very happy about it.

If Kirk is not acceptable to the left.... we all know you guys would GLADLY kill the rest of us, too.

Kirk was a sort of "ambassador" to the left... and he was murdered because of it. What happens when an ambassador is killed? That's a casus belli and has been since Ghengis Khan, at the very least.

I don’t appreciate the broad generalization happening here. First off, this person probably worked alone, 75 million people and or anyone official is involved here. I have no control over what others say or do. And I think “lots” is an exaggeration. The celebrators are a minority amongst a large group of people.

It's been less than 24 hours since he was killed, and I've already seen coworkers, people just out in public - and certainly a lot of people on this very board, openly cheering that he was killed.

I think you're wrong in thinking that this is a 'small' segment of people on the left. I wasn't even looking, and saw dozens of examples of it, less than a day after he was killed.

I didn't agree with much of anything Charlie Kirk said. But first and foremost, he was a human being, with a wife and two young kids that will now grow up without a father. I'm deeply disappointed and kind of shocked by my own political party at the moment. There's some sickening stuff being said on reddit/bluesky/twitter, and it's not even been a day.

I am not seeing anyone at all cheering. I am seeing people respond to his death in the exact same way he responded to other deaths. I am seeing people quote him word for word and then being told they are sick for making such comments.

It is sick. To me, it implies they think he deserved it.

Not that he deserved it any more than any other shooting victim would have deserved it. You know the person that Kirk would consider collateral damage just to preserve the 2nd Amendment.

Exactly. The victims don’t deserve to be shot; according to Charlie Kirk, they’re just unfortunate, inevitable collateral damage that results from the necessary adherence to the 2A. Nobody wants innocent people to die, but if we preserve the right to bear arms, some people will abuse that right. Charlie felt that right was worth protecting, even if it means some innocents will die. He was right about the fact that giving everyone the right to bear arms with as few restrictions as possible means lunatics will shoot little schoolchildren. And Bible study groups. And people attending shabbat services. And concert goers. And people in night clubs. And people shopping in stores. And families who line parade routes. And judge’s family members. And CEOs. And politicians. And people who make public appearances to debate college students.

We average more than one mass shooting per day in the US. There are many public officials who are grievously mourning Charlie’s death. Time and time again, these exact same people have blamed the shooting deaths of innocents on mental illness, then opposed funding access to mental healthcare for people who can’t afford it. Even today, their solution isn’t to restrict gun access or increase access to healthcare; it’s to restrict their political opposition.

Charlie was on their side, and he ended up being part of the tragic loss of life that is just unfortunate collateral damage to the GOP. They’ll mourn him, but they won’t change a thing to make the rest of us safer.

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Well said

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Anonymous wrote:My parents are who I go to for opinions of the non-perpetually online and here is my mother’s take, which I think was spot on:

“All the news was talking about was this guy that was killed yesterday, like the whole time. Who is this guy anyway? Kids are being killed every day, let’s care about that, not some stupid YouTube guy. I don’t know what’s going on with NBC, I’m going to stop watching if this is what the coverage is like.”

Essentially my mother honed in on how the media is desperately flailing to make people care about Charlie Kirk more than the dozens of children dying every day due to gun violence.

He wasn’t just some youtube guy - he founded a movement. Don't go to the clueless for advice.

When you call a nonprofit a “movement“ you sound culty.

We really need to figure out why white people in America at this moment in time are so desperate for a cult savior. Is it just the pressure of not being born at the apex of society anymore? Like, they are kind of lost because they realize that being born White doesn’t award them any special powers?

White culture is in shambles and people are looking for a community. White people are not allowed to view other white people as their community in the same way that latinos or AA or Asians because racism. That leaves a void. Nature abhors a vacuum.

I mean, this is BS. We have Scottish walks, hughland games, Irish heritage parades, October festivals and German celebrations, Italian celebrations.

Heck my grandma was Dutch and we all wore our orange shirts and watched soccer together.

We also have Appalachian culture, Southern culture, white Portland culture.

There's plenty to find. Now if you start talking about white pride, sure I'm going to side eye you. But you attend an Irish parade or do a debutante ball? No problem.

Most white people in the USA are completely disconnected from their native culture. Obviously you don’t see the more stable Scottish, Irish or German ethnic groups committing these acts, do you? That’s because they have a strong cultural foundation and are not as susceptible to influence. Exactly what I described earlier. It’s right there for you to see. There is no unified white American identity in the way that all other groups have. I agree that it’s for legitimate reasons but that doesn’t change the outcome. We need to find and allow for a healthy white identity that young white men can latch onto or else we will continue to have lost young men turn to demagogues for their culture needs.

Sorry you think if they were more connected to their roots in the Irish Republican Army or the National Socialists of Germany, they’d be less violent. Brilliant take.


So, you know, white boys could latch onto their identity as AMERICANS, in a nation of immigrants and their descendants, instead of being insanely racist. They can even celebrate a little genocide from 200 years ago if they want, as long as they do it subtly.

I think a big part of the problem in the US is that we kept up segregation for too long and didn’t make enough effort to purposely mix people up. It was resisted through redlining, and shutting public schools down. We aren’t even 100 years out from desegregation. Other countries in the Caribbean and South America that had slave trade and immigration have had a much longer period of time to merge into one culture.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a video of the disrespectful carrying.

Our tax dollars spent to transport a civilian?? Getting weirder and weirder

This is absolutely outrageous. I cannot believe they used Air Force Two for this.

Bodies are transported in caskets in FedEx and UPS air cargo planes every day. He can ride with the mail order packages of printer toner and fake rubber dogsh!t, where he belongs

I am thrilled that he was transported by AF 2. He is very deserving of it.
And you might want to take a break from social media and consider what kind of person you are.