The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:Harper's first time meeting Cam, he makes a pass at her getting naked while changing into swim trunks. Are there really folks on here who think she snuck off up to their hotel room while day drunk on the fourth day to "kiss"? She went up to that room to have raw sexual intercourse with Cam, period case closed. She later even got caught in the lie about the hat. How much more obvious can a writer be.

Actually, we know that Cam uses protection.

Oy vey you are naive. He uses condoms with prostitutes. He doesn’t walk around with a condom in his swim trunks drunk from ripping shots during the day.

It takes two seconds to get one from his room.

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Anonymous wrote:Harper's first time meeting Cam, he makes a pass at her getting naked while changing into swim trunks. Are there really folks on here who think she snuck off up to their hotel room while day drunk on the fourth day to "kiss"? She went up to that room to have raw sexual intercourse with Cam, period case closed. She later even got caught in the lie about the hat. How much more obvious can a writer be.

Actually, we know that Cam uses protection.

Oy vey you are naive. He uses condoms with prostitutes. He doesn’t walk around with a condom in his swim trunks drunk from ripping shots during the day.

It takes two seconds to get one from his room.

I can’t tell if you’re trolling or just thick? You think he has condoms in his wife’s room? Are you insane? The prostitute provided the one condom, it was in her purse with drugs and viagra. A drunken tryst like this amongst friends isn’t using a condom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The idiot remark at breakfast was just a frustrated mid-wit lawyer who had just been conquered by the cunning alpha male. She’s seething that he won.

She was being playful and relaxed.

You really watched a different show from the rest of us.

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The 4 of them made noo sense...maybe they weren't supposed to

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Anonymous wrote:The idiot remark at breakfast was just a frustrated mid-wit lawyer who had just been conquered by the cunning alpha male. She’s seething that he won.

She was being playful and relaxed.

You really watched a different show from the rest of us.

Did he not make his motives perfectly clear from the very get-go when he dropped trou on the fist day in her hotel room? By the fourth day he was in her pants. He won.

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Anonymous wrote:The idiot remark at breakfast was just a frustrated mid-wit lawyer who had just been conquered by the cunning alpha male. She’s seething that he won.

She was being playful and relaxed.

You really watched a different show from the rest of us.

Did he not make his motives perfectly clear from the very get-go when he dropped trou on the fist day in her hotel room? By the fourth day he was in her pants. He won.

Again, you really watched a different show from the rest of us.

The point is that by being corrupted and corruptable - they all sort of won and they all sort of lost. Cam is raising someone else's baby as his own. Daphne is crushed every time she's forced to confront her husband's infidelity. And yet they are playful and flirty, and clearly bonded to each other. Harper and Ethan were more serious, and more unhappy, in the beginning. But after adopting their rich friends' ways of living, they were re-bonded with each other, happier together, and talking about going to the Maldives with these friends again. Yet they'd also lost their morals and their fidelity, in exchange for this newfound happiness and rekindled attraction. They all won, they all lost.

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Anonymous wrote:Golden Globe noms out, only JC, Aubrey Plaza, and F Murray Abraham recognized. Surprised Sabrina Impacciatore wasn't nom'd. Not surprised Fahy wasn't nom'd, only because it was really just one standout scene in the finale.

I'm surprised on Fahy - I thought she had way more outstanding scenes than just that. The whole casual calling Cam from the palazzo and then explaining she and Cam both play games. Her slight freakout the next morning when she tells Harper she was really high and tries to minimize what she said. And she had a similar reaction when Harper told her she thought something happened with Ethan and Cam - before she turned as hard as nails. She was masterful in portraying a woman who is constantly working on keeping her mask from slipping, and just when it does, catching herself and putting it right back on.

+1 her scenes stuck out the most to me this season

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Plaza played the same sarcastic syndicalism role as parks and rec. and all my teenagers. It’s not difficult.

Bingo, she's literally playing herself, down to the dubious Puerto Rican roots. But so many nearly and middle aged millennial women "identify" with her, so they fangirl her. They are also *so* sarcastic and witty, so they rationalize her character cheating on her husband with his college bully as nbd.

Wait, so there are multiple Harper-hating-harpies on this board? Wow. You guys should do group therapy together

And my god do they all hate a happy pretty girl, with a vengeance! It is your typical RBF (resting b@tch face) poster that thinks she’s more intelligent and “worthwhile” than these women that men love. They can’t admit they’d kill for someone to take care of them and show some affection. They are in sexless marriages with men that won’t have sex with them and dream of (if not actually) banging OW’s husbands…kind of like Ethan sticking it to Cam-to get even. It’s their way of getting back at every popular cheerleader/homecoming Queen or nice girl from high school that guys liked.

I’d assume most of the 25 to 40 year old women who are enamored with Harper are likely unmarried. Single and doting on their cat or dog like it’s a human baby or shacking up with an immature marriage-phobic man-child.

Ha, right. Because the only women who can relate to being educated and self sufficient are single, and not in egalitarian marriages like she was? Everyone I know who loves Harper is a professional, attractive, married, well educated woman, including me. Sorry to burst your bubble. She’s a character because she’s extremely relatable- self sufficient, smart, introverted, a bit cynical, and married to someone who sees her as an equal. If the power in the relationship is unequal, it skews towards the woman. As opposed to daphne, who silently suffers a husbands who treats her like crap.

Daphne does not silently suffer a husband who treats her like crap. C'mon people, even bit of dialog means something in this show. This is not a show about someone suffering silently. This is a show about how people use romantic attraction and sex to jockey for power in a relationship. Daphne admits she intentionally triggers Cam's insecurities. She admits she plays emotional hide and seek. And when Cam happens to be winning, she admits she does what she has to do to even the score. What's worse - serial cheating (Cam) or having another man's baby who does not look like your spouse (Daphne). Not once did Cam say anything about intentionally triggering or negative about Daphne. Not only is Daphne not the underdog; she's just as bad, in terms of how this relationship dynamic works, or even "worse" than he is.

Except daphne is visibly crushed every time someone mentions that her husband has betrayed her, and Cameron could care less. She tells herself she is not a victim because she chooses to live with it. But it’s not because she has equal power in their relationship. She can choose to accept exactly what cameron is offering, or she can leave. She doesn’t even attempt anything else.

Cameron definitely cares; he gets triggered. When she drops the bomb she’s staying in Noto he is triggered. When he’s called on to be lovey dovey to the kid he’s triggered. I’d he found out about Ethan - don’t you think he’d be triggered? They both stay because they like the way the other makes them appear to the outside world, and they genuinely seem to enjoy some fun times too. Price of admission.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harper's first time meeting Cam, he makes a pass at her getting naked while changing into swim trunks. Are there really folks on here who think she snuck off up to their hotel room while day drunk on the fourth day to "kiss"? She went up to that room to have raw sexual intercourse with Cam, period case closed. She later even got caught in the lie about the hat. How much more obvious can a writer be.

Actually, we know that Cam uses protection.

Oy vey you are naive. He uses condoms with prostitutes. He doesn’t walk around with a condom in his swim trunks drunk from ripping shots during the day.

It takes two seconds to get one from his room.

I can’t tell if you’re trolling or just thick? You think he has condoms in his wife’s room? Are you insane? The prostitute provided the one condom, it was in her purse with drugs and viagra. A drunken tryst like this amongst friends isn’t using a condom.

Sounds like you speak from personal experience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The idiot remark at breakfast was just a frustrated mid-wit lawyer who had just been conquered by the cunning alpha male. She’s seething that he won.

She was being playful and relaxed.

You really watched a different show from the rest of us.

Did he not make his motives perfectly clear from the very get-go when he dropped trou on the fist day in her hotel room? By the fourth day he was in her pants. He won.

Again, you really watched a different show from the rest of us.

The point is that by being corrupted and corruptable - they all sort of won and they all sort of lost. Cam is raising someone else's baby as his own. Daphne is crushed every time she's forced to confront her husband's infidelity. And yet they are playful and flirty, and clearly bonded to each other. Harper and Ethan were more serious, and more unhappy, in the beginning. But after adopting their rich friends' ways of living, they were re-bonded with each other, happier together, and talking about going to the Maldives with these friends again. Yet they'd also lost their morals and their fidelity, in exchange for this newfound happiness and rekindled attraction. They all won, they all lost.

+1. Best post I’ve seen on this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Golden Globe noms out, only JC, Aubrey Plaza, and F Murray Abraham recognized. Surprised Sabrina Impacciatore wasn't nom'd. Not surprised Fahy wasn't nom'd, only because it was really just one standout scene in the finale.

I'm surprised on Fahy - I thought she had way more outstanding scenes than just that. The whole casual calling Cam from the palazzo and then explaining she and Cam both play games. Her slight freakout the next morning when she tells Harper she was really high and tries to minimize what she said. And she had a similar reaction when Harper told her she thought something happened with Ethan and Cam - before she turned as hard as nails. She was masterful in portraying a woman who is constantly working on keeping her mask from slipping, and just when it does, catching herself and putting it right back on.

+1 her scenes stuck out the most to me this season

Agree

Plaza played the same sarcastic syndicalism role as parks and rec. and all my teenagers. It’s not difficult.

Bingo, she's literally playing herself, down to the dubious Puerto Rican roots. But so many nearly and middle aged millennial women "identify" with her, so they fangirl her. They are also *so* sarcastic and witty, so they rationalize her character cheating on her husband with his college bully as nbd.

And my god do they all hate a happy pretty girl, with a vengeance! It is your typical RBF (resting b@tch face) poster that thinks she’s more intelligent and “worthwhile” than these women that men love. They can’t admit they’d kill for someone to take care of them and show some affection. They are in sexless marriages with men that won’t have sex with them and dream of (if not actually) banging OW’s husbands…kind of like Ethan sticking it to Cam-to get even. It’s their way of getting back at every popular cheerleader/homecoming Queen or nice girl from high school that guys liked.

You nailed it. Like when Harper called Cameron an idiot. Even though she just had a quickie with him, she deluded herself into thinking she’s smarter than he is. Cameron is a Yale graduate. Presumably a multi-millionaire financier. Happily married, SAHM wife and children (the cheating is just empty calories, he clearly loves his wife). The idiot douchebag who set out and successfully conquered her a few days after meeting her. Yep, he’s an idiot. But the resting b**** face sarcastic attorney in a sexless unhappy marriage, successfully brainwashed by bogus NY Times, NPR, and MSNBC hysteria, and wasting what little is left of her fertility extorting corps for sexual harassment settlements — she is totally not an idiot.

I think that you totally missed the writer(s)’ intent, lol. You really think their point was to stick it to educated, well-read, professional women and pump up pretty, pleasant wives? The writer(s) would probably be horrified (or perhaps amused) by your simplistic take.

What gives you the idea Harper was "educated and well read" vis a vis Daphne? Daphne seemed far savvier and measured than snarky teenager Harper (who is actually in her late 30s). What you seem to be suggesting is Daphne is dumb because she's classically gorgeous, in other words beauty x brains are inversely proportional? That's a very sexist and retrograde stereotype -- and an well-worn cope by less attractive people. Reading leftist blogs and watching global warming documentaries on netflix doesn't make you smart. Nor does forgoing children to pursue a bottom feeding legal career. To the contrary, actually.

Look, I loved Daphne's character, but she loves watching Dateline, can't remember if she voted, and her charitable giving is based on finding sad pictures of dogs and children online when she's drunk. We never see her crack a book and she seems generally disinterested in intellectual subjects. She's clearly not well read or particularly intellectual in general. Which is fine, not everyone needs to be. But Harper is obviously the more intellectual and reads more, and is more engaged with the world in that way. You can still dislike Harper, no one says you have to like her.

No one thinks Daphne is not intellectual because she's beautiful. We think that because this is what we are told about her character from the words and actions on the show. Please stop projecting all your weird resentments and fantasies onto this show. This was a fun conversation about an interesting TV show and now it's not because you keep derailing all conversation with your obsession with how Daphne rules and Harper drools. It's exhausting. Most of us aren't even thinking about the characters in this way (as to teams we must choose between and then battle to the death over).

[Anonymous]

Really loved season number two. I was going back-and-forth on who were going to be the victims and the aggressors the entire time. I will say that the most unbelievable part of the entire show is that Harper, as a senior associate, never once mentioned having to check her email. Otherwise, *chef’s kiss*. Can’t wait for season 3!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Golden Globe noms out, only JC, Aubrey Plaza, and F Murray Abraham recognized. Surprised Sabrina Impacciatore wasn't nom'd. Not surprised Fahy wasn't nom'd, only because it was really just one standout scene in the finale.

I'm surprised on Fahy - I thought she had way more outstanding scenes than just that. The whole casual calling Cam from the palazzo and then explaining she and Cam both play games. Her slight freakout the next morning when she tells Harper she was really high and tries to minimize what she said. And she had a similar reaction when Harper told her she thought something happened with Ethan and Cam - before she turned as hard as nails. She was masterful in portraying a woman who is constantly working on keeping her mask from slipping, and just when it does, catching herself and putting it right back on.

+1 her scenes stuck out the most to me this season

Agree

Plaza played the same sarcastic syndicalism role as parks and rec. and all my teenagers. It’s not difficult.

Bingo, she's literally playing herself, down to the dubious Puerto Rican roots. But so many nearly and middle aged millennial women "identify" with her, so they fangirl her. They are also *so* sarcastic and witty, so they rationalize her character cheating on her husband with his college bully as nbd.

And my god do they all hate a happy pretty girl, with a vengeance! It is your typical RBF (resting b@tch face) poster that thinks she’s more intelligent and “worthwhile” than these women that men love. They can’t admit they’d kill for someone to take care of them and show some affection. They are in sexless marriages with men that won’t have sex with them and dream of (if not actually) banging OW’s husbands…kind of like Ethan sticking it to Cam-to get even. It’s their way of getting back at every popular cheerleader/homecoming Queen or nice girl from high school that guys liked.

You nailed it. Like when Harper called Cameron an idiot. Even though she just had a quickie with him, she deluded herself into thinking she’s smarter than he is. Cameron is a Yale graduate. Presumably a multi-millionaire financier. Happily married, SAHM wife and children (the cheating is just empty calories, he clearly loves his wife). The idiot douchebag who set out and successfully conquered her a few days after meeting her. Yep, he’s an idiot. But the resting b**** face sarcastic attorney in a sexless unhappy marriage, successfully brainwashed by bogus NY Times, NPR, and MSNBC hysteria, and wasting what little is left of her fertility extorting corps for sexual harassment settlements — she is totally not an idiot.

I think that you totally missed the writer(s)’ intent, lol. You really think their point was to stick it to educated, well-read, professional women and pump up pretty, pleasant wives? The writer(s) would probably be horrified (or perhaps amused) by your simplistic take.

What gives you the idea Harper was "educated and well read" vis a vis Daphne? Daphne seemed far savvier and measured than snarky teenager Harper (who is actually in her late 30s). What you seem to be suggesting is Daphne is dumb because she's classically gorgeous, in other words beauty x brains are inversely proportional? That's a very sexist and retrograde stereotype -- and a well-worn cope by less attractive people. Reading leftist blogs and watching global warming documentaries on netflix doesn't make you smart. Nor does forgoing children to pursue a bottom feeding legal career. To the contrary, actually.

Daphne literally said she doesn’t watch the news or read, and enjoys trashy reality tv. Sure, she may be “savvy,” and there are other good things about her- she’s fun, loving, and seems like a good mom. but I don’t think there’s any debate that she wouldn’t pride herself on being well read.

You're slipping in misinfo. They clearly read, Cam is a successful and presumably licensed Wall Street shark who graduated from Yale, likely passed the Series 7, and they traveled with books, hence Cam grabbing one as a prop when caught up in the hotel room. And trashy reality TV is no lower rung than the pointless shouting matches on MSNBC and CNN. Obsessively watching or not watching the hysteric mainstream news doesn't suggest anything about intelligence. I'd argue Cam and Daphne were far smarter for not being brainwashed by it, while Harper was so duped by the propaganda she's delaying pregnancy and she's now considered a geriatric and high-risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Really loved season number two. I was going back-and-forth on who were going to be the victims and the aggressors the entire time. I will say that the most unbelievable part of the entire show is that Harper, as a senior associate, never once mentioned having to check her email. Otherwise, *chef’s kiss*. Can’t wait for season 3!

That's an astute observation. She rides Ethan for being chained to work but doesn't mention work once. Maybe she's not actually a star attorney at her firm. Maybe she's not successful at all and that's why she's so combative and edgy. Insecurity.

[Anonymous]

One thing folks raised was Harper being sexually frustrated and Ethan being a porn addict. But I do recall Ethan saying that Harper didn't like morning sex. I'm surely projecting a lot of my own shit onto this, but that instantly made me think Harper was the type of spouse who put a lot of rules on sex and only wanted to do it when the stars aligned to her satisfaction.

Yeah, she tried to initiate one of those mornings at the hotel, but it felt contrived on her part. (Unlike the morning sex she had with Cam or tried to have with him.)

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Anonymous wrote:Golden Globe noms out, only JC, Aubrey Plaza, and F Murray Abraham recognized. Surprised Sabrina Impacciatore wasn't nom'd. Not surprised Fahy wasn't nom'd, only because it was really just one standout scene in the finale.

I'm surprised on Fahy - I thought she had way more outstanding scenes than just that. The whole casual calling Cam from the palazzo and then explaining she and Cam both play games. Her slight freakout the next morning when she tells Harper she was really high and tries to minimize what she said. And she had a similar reaction when Harper told her she thought something happened with Ethan and Cam - before she turned as hard as nails. She was masterful in portraying a woman who is constantly working on keeping her mask from slipping, and just when it does, catching herself and putting it right back on.

+1 her scenes stuck out the most to me this season

Agree

Plaza played the same sarcastic syndicalism role as parks and rec. and all my teenagers. It’s not difficult.

Bingo, she's literally playing herself, down to the dubious Puerto Rican roots. But so many nearly and middle aged millennial women "identify" with her, so they fangirl her. They are also *so* sarcastic and witty, so they rationalize her character cheating on her husband with his college bully as nbd.

And my god do they all hate a happy pretty girl, with a vengeance! It is your typical RBF (resting b@tch face) poster that thinks she’s more intelligent and “worthwhile” than these women that men love. They can’t admit they’d kill for someone to take care of them and show some affection. They are in sexless marriages with men that won’t have sex with them and dream of (if not actually) banging OW’s husbands…kind of like Ethan sticking it to Cam-to get even. It’s their way of getting back at every popular cheerleader/homecoming Queen or nice girl from high school that guys liked.

You nailed it. Like when Harper called Cameron an idiot. Even though she just had a quickie with him, she deluded herself into thinking she’s smarter than he is. Cameron is a Yale graduate. Presumably a multi-millionaire financier. Happily married, SAHM wife and children (the cheating is just empty calories, he clearly loves his wife). The idiot douchebag who set out and successfully conquered her a few days after meeting her. Yep, he’s an idiot. But the resting b**** face sarcastic attorney in a sexless unhappy marriage, successfully brainwashed by bogus NY Times, NPR, and MSNBC hysteria, and wasting what little is left of her fertility extorting corps for sexual harassment settlements — she is totally not an idiot.

I think that you totally missed the writer(s)’ intent, lol. You really think their point was to stick it to educated, well-read, professional women and pump up pretty, pleasant wives? The writer(s) would probably be horrified (or perhaps amused) by your simplistic take.

The poster you are responding to is mentally unwell. Don't engage.