Biden's VP?

[Anonymous]

Nobody expected Pence to beat an experience pol like Tim Kaine in the debate,

What? Pence was the currently serving governor of Indiana who had spent about a dozen years in the House.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Nobody expected Pence to beat an experience pol like Tim Kaine in the debate,

What? Pence was the currently serving governor of Indiana who had spent about a dozen years in the House.

But people talked about him like he was a boob, and still do. I think it’s a mistake to underestimate him. His calm smoothness was an asset in the debates. Kaine’s attack dog jabs deflected right off him. I think a calm substantive debater would do best against him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Nobody expected Pence to beat an experience pol like Tim Kaine in the debate,

What? Pence was the currently serving governor of Indiana who had spent about a dozen years in the House.

But people talked about him like he was a boob, and still do. I think it’s a mistake to underestimate him. His calm smoothness was an asset in the debates. Kaine’s attack dog jabs deflected right off him. I think a calm substantive debater would do best against him.

Debates don't matter unless someone produces a gaffe

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yesterday Politico said Harris does not have the VP position locked down, today they suggest the leader is Susan Rice

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/susan-rice-top-biden-vice-president-383026

I can't believe Susan Rice is being considered seriously. No doubt she is smart and has the capacity to be VP, but here are the three strikes against her: 1) Benghazi, as stated above. GOP can't wait to go Benghazi all over her; 2) she's never been elected to anything and now she's going to be the VP?; 3) Obama retread. Biden's appeal is that he's not Trump, knows Washington and will set some things to right. Bringing back a major figure of the Obama administration undercuts all of that.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m glad you guys still care. Every day that passes with Donald in office I think how much more excited I am to vote for Biden/Literally Anyone.

Same boat. Outside of picking Warren which may alienate more conservative dems/independents, I don't think his pick will have any affect on his electability.

+1

I think Harris or Rice could also have a negative impact on electability.

+1. I’m astounded that anyone could give any kind of pause because someone’s racist/sexist/idiot mother says “there just is something I don’t like about Harris.” If you can’t even articulate what it is you don’t like about a person, while the alternative is voting for TRUMP where there are a thousand things you don’t like about him, I can’t even deal with you and you deserve another 4 years of Trump.

The Democrats need votes from new demographics. Additional voters from bougie folks in areas where they already have overwhelming majorities ain’t the formula.

Harris reeks of fraudulence:
-Democratic Party identity politics with nothing learned from BHO’s and HRC’s failures
-crappy public presence (her evasive laughter) when it most matters
-her career came from her horizontal mamboing

Start seeing through the Democrats’ conventional wisdom if you actually want to beat Trump!

She's a cynical politician who won't address her AG record and fails to address many issues head-on. I don't have a clue what she really believes in. Whole career law&order now suddenly BLM when little evidence of this as AG. Which is it--tell us! Now that I've seen it twice, her evasive laughter is indeed off-putting. But none of this would matter if she had policy chops. She doesn't and is deeply inarticulate when put on the spot about anything policy-related. She is charismatic, but only with rehearsed speeches. She can not flex when needed (again, I think, because the policy chops aren't really there). The thought of putting someone with zero foreign policy expertise, in particular, a heartbeat from a very old president is deeply concerning to me. And because many do perceive her as inauthentic, I don't believe swing voters will like her and she will negatively affect the ticket.

I posted much earlier on this thread that I saw Kamala and Ayanna Pressley do an Insta event together. Ayanna came incredibly well prepared, with all kinds of data at her fingertips. She didn't intend to but she ran circles around Kamala, who had nothing to contribute other than generic platitudes. People assume her prosecutorial skill means she'd be a great debater, but she faltered whenever she had to address policy in the presidential primary debates. This concerns me and I'd worry a lot if she's selected for the ticket. Nobody expected Pence to beat an experience pol like Tim Kaine in the debate, but he did. He was a radio host, is comfortable with public speaking, and contrary to what many assume about him, he is known to come very well prepared to congressional briefings (DH has had to meet with him and was surprised). I also think many are looking for competence not divisive rhetoric right now. It's great that Kamala is a fighter, but it becomes empty rhetoric if the substance isn't there.

+1 to all about Kamala. She falters and does not have the depth of policy that would be expected of her.

Anyone know how Susan Rice comes across in such situations?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harris will be an outstanding VP.

Why and based on what do you say that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Nobody expected Pence to beat an experience pol like Tim Kaine in the debate,

What? Pence was the currently serving governor of Indiana who had spent about a dozen years in the House.

But people talked about him like he was a boob, and still do. I think it’s a mistake to underestimate him. His calm smoothness was an asset in the debates. Kaine’s attack dog jabs deflected right off him. I think a calm substantive debater would do best against him.

I agree.

Pence v Grisham
Pence v Duckworth
Pence v Bass

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Still like Bass but I’ve not seen Grisham or Duckworth debate so can’t speak to that.

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Anonymous wrote:Well...seems like at least one on the vetting team are going for anyone but Harris.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/kamala-harris-biden-vp-381829

Blowback on Dodd's comments. Interesting it now seems to be Harris vs Bass. Love how Bass tried to defuse it, she's a class act!

https://www.newsweek.com/dodd-comments-about-kamala-harris-upset-vp-search-karen-bass-rises-1520765

Totally agree. To have this type of personality on stage, that isn’t insecure in their position would feel like a healing balm after witnessing the terror someone with NPD struggles with.

Bass, who has been described as a politician that doesn't seek headlines, was billed as the "anti–Kamala Harris" in an earlier Politico report, and responded with displeasure over the characterization.

"Senator Kamala Harris has spent her entire life fighting for the people," she tweeted last week. "I would never want to be labeled the 'anti–Kamala Harris.' We're fortunate to have had her as Attorney General and now as Senator. She would be an excellent VP and the same goes for anyone else on the list."

Bass' and Harris' offices did not respond to a Newsweek request for comment.



The first part of the article took a turn and I think I saw a fang come out with a low blow thread to smear the judgment of Biden’s advisors. It’s catty. That is politics, but people are tired of that. The negativity in favor of KH actually demonstrates the type of rifts we *don’t* want occurring for the next president’s inner circle, and exactly why a lot of people have reservation outside of Cali. I’m also always scratching my head about these arguments for her representing the black vote - no one I know feels more than lukewarm about her.. or if they do a caveat or some mention of heightened distrust for her follows. Pulling the race card against the campaign is exactly what we don’t need.

We need a strong well knit team that can be trusted to work together. VP matters for reasons discussed as nauseam in this thread.
Bass is a winner in that regard. Definitely a class act. People are so tired of Trump they just want it over. Letting Bass come in helps others that don’t feel as strongly against him because they respect her work. She doesn’t trigger criticism. She won’t run a second term. Give people time to get over Trump Trauma and by the time 2024 comes, they’ll make a more informed decision and less reactive one.

That was a class act by Bass. Cannot recollect many who would have put out such a tweet against a competitor.

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Anonymous wrote:Yesterday Politico said Harris does not have the VP position locked down, today they suggest the leader is Susan Rice

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/susan-rice-top-biden-vice-president-383026

I can't believe Susan Rice is being considered seriously. No doubt she is smart and has the capacity to be VP, but here are the three strikes against her: 1) Benghazi, as stated above. GOP can't wait to go Benghazi all over her; 2) she's never been elected to anything and now she's going to be the VP?; 3) Obama retread. Biden's appeal is that he's not Trump, knows Washington and will set some things to right. Bringing back a major figure of the Obama administration undercuts all of that.

I really like Rice because all those reasons stated are actually personally appealing to me. But I recognize the ticket threat she creates for those exact same reasons. I haven’t really advocated for her outside of a cabinet role because the right doesn’t need any ammo. They’re creating their bullets from lies because we haven’t given them any.

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Anonymous wrote:Yesterday Politico said Harris does not have the VP position locked down, today they suggest the leader is Susan Rice

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/susan-rice-top-biden-vice-president-383026

I can't believe Susan Rice is being considered seriously. No doubt she is smart and has the capacity to be VP, but here are the three strikes against her: 1) Benghazi, as stated above. GOP can't wait to go Benghazi all over her; 2) she's never been elected to anything and now she's going to be the VP?; 3) Obama retread. Biden's appeal is that he's not Trump, knows Washington and will set some things to right. Bringing back a major figure of the Obama administration undercuts all of that.

The Benghazi disaster is HRC. Susan Rice just spoke what she knew on a TV talk show. She has spent her life working in government including the executive branch. The current President had zero government experience. She is the one I’d trust of all the VP candidates to deftly handle North Korea, China, Iran and Russia on day one. She helped set up the global health department and helped brief the Trump administration on the pandemic playbook he threw away. The rest of the candidates are years behind her in preparation and knowledge. There is no shame in being tied to Obama.

[Anonymous]

I suggest you all watch these ladies live. The most dynamic and quick on her feet is Susan Rice. Duckworth is horrible with a microphone. Warren is good but she’ll never get the nod.

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Anonymous wrote:Yesterday Politico said Harris does not have the VP position locked down, today they suggest the leader is Susan Rice

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/27/susan-rice-top-biden-vice-president-383026

I can't believe Susan Rice is being considered seriously. No doubt she is smart and has the capacity to be VP, but here are the three strikes against her: 1) Benghazi, as stated above. GOP can't wait to go Benghazi all over her; 2) she's never been elected to anything and now she's going to be the VP?; 3) Obama retread. Biden's appeal is that he's not Trump, knows Washington and will set some things to right. Bringing back a major figure of the Obama administration undercuts all of that.

The Benghazi disaster is HRC. Susan Rice just spoke what she knew on a TV talk show. She has spent her life working in government including the executive branch. The current President had zero government experience. She is the one I’d trust of all the VP candidates to deftly handle North Korea, China, Iran and Russia on day one. She helped set up the global health department and helped brief the Trump administration on the pandemic playbook he threw away. The rest of the candidates are years behind her in preparation and knowledge. There is no shame in being tied to Obama.

So make her Sec of State. I'd love her as Sec of State.

Obviously elections are partisan anyway - but I feel like she will make it hard for Republicans who are sick of Trump to vote for Biden. She's too closely associated with that hyper partisan event. That's my perspective on it, anyway. The 538 podcast seemed to think she's one of the top three candidates for VP, though - yesterday's podcast. Her, Warren, and Harris. Of the three of them I would take Harris, I think.

I don't know.

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Anonymous wrote:

Nobody expected Pence to beat an experience pol like Tim Kaine in the debate,

What? Pence was the currently serving governor of Indiana who had spent about a dozen years in the House.

But people talked about him like he was a boob, and still do. I think it’s a mistake to underestimate him. His calm smoothness was an asset in the debates. Kaine’s attack dog jabs deflected right off him. I think a calm substantive debater would do best against him.

I agree.

Pence v Grisham
Pence v Duckworth
Pence v Bass

?

Still like Bass but I’ve not seen Grisham or Duckworth debate so can’t speak to that.

Lujan Grisham is a fine debater. Here is the debate between herself and the 7 term (14 year) state legislator that was running as the Republican candidate for governor. I think she came across as intelligent and informed. She very clearly engaged on substance and very calmly countered his arguments. I think she would have no problems debating Pence.

There is video and there is a transcript available, but I think the video gives a much better review of her skills. She's charismatic when she speaks and her speaking style is a definite plus that doesn't come across as well in the transcript.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?453562-1/mexico-gubernatorial-debate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I suggest you all watch these ladies live. The most dynamic and quick on her feet is Susan Rice. Duckworth is horrible with a microphone. Warren is good but she’ll never get the nod.

I like Rice and glad to hear this about her.

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Anonymous wrote:I suggest you all watch these ladies live. The most dynamic and quick on her feet is Susan Rice. Duckworth is horrible with a microphone. Warren is good but she’ll never get the nod.

I like Rice and glad to hear this about her.

Me too. I’m also listening to and watching Grisham debate. Grisham is very, very engaging. Not that should should be a criteria at all, but she also has a very pleasant speaking voice. She seems genuinely warm, intelligent, bi-partisan (acknowledging McCain initiatives that support). So what is the bad about her? Why hasn’t she been put on the larger platform more?

Can the DNC put out another “town hall” where the VP candidates also just express their views? Not a debate, not a fight but even better demonstration of a unified party, no matter who VP is. Get out an introduction for the swing voters. Is there a way to do this without there being some chaotic problem grabbing everyone’s attention that they later step to the mic for? Not sure how this works at all. Is it as simple as purchasing a broadcast a lot? Or putting out a YouTube, like comedian Dave Chapelle did for 8:46?