How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?

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Anonymous wrote:I am getting vaccine this week but in general, why does anyone care about others not getting it? We aren't reaching herd immunity and you're protected so nothing to worry about. That's why people are hesitant (among other things) but if it works and it prevents Covid, then move along.

I agree. It’s about control at this point. Politicizing it, and making the losing side pay. It’s an escalating arms race between two parties, and we are all just political pawns. It is all making people dig their heels in more.

-vaccinated, didn’t vote for Trump in either of the last 2 elections

No. Everyone gets vaccinated, Covid goes away.

People don't get vaccinated, and it doesn't go away. And we keep paying the price.

What is so damned hard to understand about that?

Not everyone will get vaccinated. We'll be lucky to hit 70% vaccination in the US. In plenty of places, vaccination rates will be even lower than that. Herd immunity simply isn't happening.

Some businesses and employers may require vaccinations from employees/patients. But, tens of millions of Americans work for businesses where the owners won't require vaccinations. Do you really think a hair salon in the suburbs if Oklahoma City will require vaccinations? And large swathes of Americans don't have a PCP. The emergency room is their medical provider. So, a lot of the pressures you might be able to apply to an UMC mom from Bethesda to get her and her kids vaccinated aren't really going to work on tens of millions of Americans who couldn't care less what some elite pediatric practice does.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am getting vaccine this week but in general, why does anyone care about others not getting it? We aren't reaching herd immunity and you're protected so nothing to worry about. That's why people are hesitant (among other things) but if it works and it prevents Covid, then move along.

I agree. It’s about control at this point. Politicizing it, and making the losing side pay. It’s an escalating arms race between two parties, and we are all just political pawns. It is all making people dig their heels in more.

-vaccinated, didn’t vote for Trump in either of the last 2 elections

No. Everyone gets vaccinated, Covid goes away.

People don't get vaccinated, and it doesn't go away. And we keep paying the price.

What is so damned hard to understand about that?

Not everyone will get vaccinated. We'll be lucky to hit 70% vaccination in the US. In plenty of places, vaccination rates will be even lower than that. Herd immunity simply isn't happening.

Some businesses and employers may require vaccinations from employees/patients. But, tens of millions of Americans work for businesses where the owners won't require vaccinations. Do you really think a hair salon in the suburbs if Oklahoma City will require vaccinations? And large swathes of Americans don't have a PCP. The emergency room is their medical provider. So, a lot of the pressures you might be able to apply to an UMC mom from Bethesda to get her and her kids vaccinated aren't really going to work on tens of millions of Americans who couldn't care less what some elite pediatric practice does.

Agree. This virus will circulate. More is places where there are more susceptible hosts, and much less in places where there are less susceptible hosts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am getting vaccine this week but in general, why does anyone care about others not getting it? We aren't reaching herd immunity and you're protected so nothing to worry about. That's why people are hesitant (among other things) but if it works and it prevents Covid, then move along.

I agree. It’s about control at this point. Politicizing it, and making the losing side pay. It’s an escalating arms race between two parties, and we are all just political pawns. It is all making people dig their heels in more.

-vaccinated, didn’t vote for Trump in either of the last 2 elections

No. Everyone gets vaccinated, Covid goes away.

People don't get vaccinated, and it doesn't go away. And we keep paying the price.

What is so damned hard to understand about that?

Not everyone will get vaccinated. We'll be lucky to hit 70% vaccination in the US. In plenty of places, vaccination rates will be even lower than that. Herd immunity simply isn't happening.

Some businesses and employers may require vaccinations from employees/patients. But, tens of millions of Americans work for businesses where the owners won't require vaccinations. Do you really think a hair salon in the suburbs if Oklahoma City will require vaccinations? And large swathes of Americans don't have a PCP. The emergency room is their medical provider. So, a lot of the pressures you might be able to apply to an UMC mom from Bethesda to get her and her kids vaccinated aren't really going to work on tens of millions of Americans who couldn't care less what some elite pediatric practice does.

Agree. This virus will circulate. More is places where there are more susceptible hosts, and much less in places where there are less susceptible hosts.

If people get out of their DMV bubble, they'll find many places in this country where almost everyone who wants to get a shot has had one. And the culture in those areas isn't really going to permit restrictions on people who don't get the vaccine.

The focus should be on outreach and making sure that people who kind of want a vaccine can easily do so. Trying to force vaccinations on an unwilling populace will just further fracture American society.

If we can get vaccinations up to 60%, that's probably enough for covid to just fade into the background, like the flu.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am getting vaccine this week but in general, why does anyone care about others not getting it? We aren't reaching herd immunity and you're protected so nothing to worry about. That's why people are hesitant (among other things) but if it works and it prevents Covid, then move along.

I agree. It’s about control at this point. Politicizing it, and making the losing side pay. It’s an escalating arms race between two parties, and we are all just political pawns. It is all making people dig their heels in more.

-vaccinated, didn’t vote for Trump in either of the last 2 elections

No. Everyone gets vaccinated, Covid goes away.

People don't get vaccinated, and it doesn't go away. And we keep paying the price.

What is so damned hard to understand about that?

Not everyone will get vaccinated. We'll be lucky to hit 70% vaccination in the US. In plenty of places, vaccination rates will be even lower than that. Herd immunity simply isn't happening.

Some businesses and employers may require vaccinations from employees/patients. But, tens of millions of Americans work for businesses where the owners won't require vaccinations. Do you really think a hair salon in the suburbs if Oklahoma City will require vaccinations? And large swathes of Americans don't have a PCP. The emergency room is their medical provider. So, a lot of the pressures you might be able to apply to an UMC mom from Bethesda to get her and her kids vaccinated aren't really going to work on tens of millions of Americans who couldn't care less what some elite pediatric practice does.

Agree. This virus will circulate. More is places where there are more susceptible hosts, and much less in places where there are less susceptible hosts.

Do think increased rates, maybe even deaths, from more virulent strains will change people's minds? I hope so but am not optimistic. If anything, I have found this past year to be absolutely terrifying, ranging from the prospect of getting infected to the cold, harsh reality that people who know better are in thrall to cult and we are all at their mercy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am getting vaccine this week but in general, why does anyone care about others not getting it? We aren't reaching herd immunity and you're protected so nothing to worry about. That's why people are hesitant (among other things) but if it works and it prevents Covid, then move along.

I agree. It’s about control at this point. Politicizing it, and making the losing side pay. It’s an escalating arms race between two parties, and we are all just political pawns. It is all making people dig their heels in more.

-vaccinated, didn’t vote for Trump in either of the last 2 elections

No. Everyone gets vaccinated, Covid goes away.

People don't get vaccinated, and it doesn't go away. And we keep paying the price.

What is so damned hard to understand about that?

Not everyone will get vaccinated. We'll be lucky to hit 70% vaccination in the US. In plenty of places, vaccination rates will be even lower than that. Herd immunity simply isn't happening.

Some businesses and employers may require vaccinations from employees/patients. But, tens of millions of Americans work for businesses where the owners won't require vaccinations. Do you really think a hair salon in the suburbs if Oklahoma City will require vaccinations? And large swathes of Americans don't have a PCP. The emergency room is their medical provider. So, a lot of the pressures you might be able to apply to an UMC mom from Bethesda to get her and her kids vaccinated aren't really going to work on tens of millions of Americans who couldn't care less what some elite pediatric practice does.

Agree. This virus will circulate. More is places where there are more susceptible hosts, and much less in places where there are less susceptible hosts.

If people get out of their DMV bubble, they'll find many places in this country where almost everyone who wants to get a shot has had one. And the culture in those areas isn't really going to permit restrictions on people who don't get the vaccine.

The focus should be on outreach and making sure that people who kind of want a vaccine can easily do so. Trying to force vaccinations on an unwilling populace will just further fracture American society.

If we can get vaccinations up to 60%, that's probably enough for covid to just fade into the background, like the flu.

And there are areas of the country where high vaccination rates are desired and steps are put in place to achieve that. There are areas that do not want to tolerate 60 percent and that is just as legitimate an approach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have a friend who is a vaccine skeptic and also very afraid of COVID. So she is mad that all of us around her are not masking any more outdoors, etc.

I just started a thread on this. I get the main reason why my friend is a skeptic, but also think being unvaccinated and expecting everyone around you to take precautions is not tenable.

Kids are not vaccinated. So, for their sake, yes we should all continue to take precautions. Likewise, they only released the vaccine a few weeks ago to the regular public and its not that easy still to get an appointment. I spend many hours trying to get appointments. What is reasonable is to expect people to curb their behavior till numbers are in the safe areas to help protect everyone. Many people are behaving very poorly and we need a combination of vaccines and behavior to get this under control. I have zero expectations for anyone but stop calling me to babysit, carpool and don't send your kids over as even when the adults are fully vaccinated in our home, nothing changes given there are still reports we can get covid and our kids can. We have a duty to keep our kids safe.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. First, I take precautions, including continuing to wear a mask outside in spite of CDC guidelines. I live in a quasi-urban setting and come into contact with lots of folks when out, so better to keep the mask for now. Second, I completely agree on it is everyone's duty to keep kids safe, even if everyone in my household is over 16 and has been vaccinated for a month or longer. We all need to be in this together. Third, I do think that as the weather becomes more pleasant and the temps climb, more and more people will heed the CDC advice and drop their masks when outside. That is where I think my friend might run into conflict - how can you tell someone walking near you on a park path to pull up their mask when the CDC says "just do it"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a friend who is a vaccine skeptic and also very afraid of COVID. So she is mad that all of us around her are not masking any more outdoors, etc.

I just started a thread on this. I get the main reason why my friend is a skeptic, but also think being unvaccinated and expecting everyone around you to take precautions is not tenable.

Kids are not vaccinated. So, for their sake, yes we should all continue to take precautions. Likewise, they only released the vaccine a few weeks ago to the regular public and its not that easy still to get an appointment. I spend many hours trying to get appointments. What is reasonable is to expect people to curb their behavior till numbers are in the safe areas to help protect everyone. Many people are behaving very poorly and we need a combination of vaccines and behavior to get this under control. I have zero expectations for anyone but stop calling me to babysit, carpool and don't send your kids over as even when the adults are fully vaccinated in our home, nothing changes given there are still reports we can get covid and our kids can. We have a duty to keep our kids safe.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. First, I take precautions, including continuing to wear a mask outside in spite of CDC guidelines. I live in a quasi-urban setting and come into contact with lots of folks when out, so better to keep the mask for now. Second, I completely agree on it is everyone's duty to keep kids safe, even if everyone in my household is over 16 and has been vaccinated for a month or longer. We all need to be in this together. Third, I do think that as the weather becomes more pleasant and the temps climb, more and more people will heed the CDC advice and drop their masks when outside. That is where I think my friend might run into conflict - how can you tell someone walking near you on a park path to pull up their mask when the CDC says "just do it"?

She can say whatever she wants. People won't listen to her. People have been demanding other people wear masks all this year, plenty of people didn't care.

You can't control other people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am getting vaccine this week but in general, why does anyone care about others not getting it? We aren't reaching herd immunity and you're protected so nothing to worry about. That's why people are hesitant (among other things) but if it works and it prevents Covid, then move along.

I agree. It’s about control at this point. Politicizing it, and making the losing side pay. It’s an escalating arms race between two parties, and we are all just political pawns. It is all making people dig their heels in more.

-vaccinated, didn’t vote for Trump in either of the last 2 elections

No. Everyone gets vaccinated, Covid goes away.

People don't get vaccinated, and it doesn't go away. And we keep paying the price.

What is so damned hard to understand about that?

Not everyone will get vaccinated. We'll be lucky to hit 70% vaccination in the US. In plenty of places, vaccination rates will be even lower than that. Herd immunity simply isn't happening.

Some businesses and employers may require vaccinations from employees/patients. But, tens of millions of Americans work for businesses where the owners won't require vaccinations. Do you really think a hair salon in the suburbs if Oklahoma City will require vaccinations? And large swathes of Americans don't have a PCP. The emergency room is their medical provider. So, a lot of the pressures you might be able to apply to an UMC mom from Bethesda to get her and her kids vaccinated aren't really going to work on tens of millions of Americans who couldn't care less what some elite pediatric practice does.

Agree. This virus will circulate. More is places where there are more susceptible hosts, and much less in places where there are less susceptible hosts.

If people get out of their DMV bubble, they'll find many places in this country where almost everyone who wants to get a shot has had one. And the culture in those areas isn't really going to permit restrictions on people who don't get the vaccine.

The focus should be on outreach and making sure that people who kind of want a vaccine can easily do so. Trying to force vaccinations on an unwilling populace will just further fracture American society.

If we can get vaccinations up to 60%, that's probably enough for covid to just fade into the background, like the flu.

And there are areas of the country where high vaccination rates are desired and steps are put in place to achieve that. There are areas that do not want to tolerate 60 percent and that is just as legitimate an approach.

I will take of those areas please. No thanks to 60 percent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The virus could give a rats ass about anyone's politics. If you are susceptible and unprotected the virus will infect you when it finds you.

It might have already and I wasn't even symptomatic enough to even get tested, right?

You and so many others. This thing is a nasty little monster that can circulate among people not even knowing they are infected.

I see that as a good thing, actually. Once you get it, even mild cases, you build antibodies specific to it. And there's evidence that people have mild/asymptomatic cases because their bodies have seen similar virus and there's cross-protection.

Lets repeat the PP.....Covid deaths are terrible and I have lost family members and it is not a joke and hundreds of thousands of other families have suffered the same ugly loss.

Who’s calling it a joke? I’m talking antibodies here and asking why people who had Covid are not considered ‘safe’

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a friend who is a vaccine skeptic and also very afraid of COVID. So she is mad that all of us around her are not masking any more outdoors, etc.

I just started a thread on this. I get the main reason why my friend is a skeptic, but also think being unvaccinated and expecting everyone around you to take precautions is not tenable.

Kids are not vaccinated. So, for their sake, yes we should all continue to take precautions. Likewise, they only released the vaccine a few weeks ago to the regular public and its not that easy still to get an appointment. I spend many hours trying to get appointments. What is reasonable is to expect people to curb their behavior till numbers are in the safe areas to help protect everyone. Many people are behaving very poorly and we need a combination of vaccines and behavior to get this under control. I have zero expectations for anyone but stop calling me to babysit, carpool and don't send your kids over as even when the adults are fully vaccinated in our home, nothing changes given there are still reports we can get covid and our kids can. We have a duty to keep our kids safe.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. First, I take precautions, including continuing to wear a mask outside in spite of CDC guidelines. I live in a quasi-urban setting and come into contact with lots of folks when out, so better to keep the mask for now. Second, I completely agree on it is everyone's duty to keep kids safe, even if everyone in my household is over 16 and has been vaccinated for a month or longer. We all need to be in this together. Third, I do think that as the weather becomes more pleasant and the temps climb, more and more people will heed the CDC advice and drop their masks when outside. That is where I think my friend might run into conflict - how can you tell someone walking near you on a park path to pull up their mask when the CDC says "just do it"?

She can say whatever she wants. People won't listen to her. People have been demanding other people wear masks all this year, plenty of people didn't care.

You can't control other people.

I agree. I am afraid she is lapsing into irrationality here.

[Anonymous]

They won’t be able to get a free Krispy Kreme donut every day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Their lives are going to be limited when the get it and die. So, there's that...

But that isn’t happening in maskless states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am getting vaccine this week but in general, why does anyone care about others not getting it? We aren't reaching herd immunity and you're protected so nothing to worry about. That's why people are hesitant (among other things) but if it works and it prevents Covid, then move along.

I agree. It’s about control at this point. Politicizing it, and making the losing side pay. It’s an escalating arms race between two parties, and we are all just political pawns. It is all making people dig their heels in more.

-vaccinated, didn’t vote for Trump in either of the last 2 elections

No. Everyone gets vaccinated, Covid goes away.

People don't get vaccinated, and it doesn't go away. And we keep paying the price.

What is so damned hard to understand about that?

Not everyone will get vaccinated. We'll be lucky to hit 70% vaccination in the US. In plenty of places, vaccination rates will be even lower than that. Herd immunity simply isn't happening.

Some businesses and employers may require vaccinations from employees/patients. But, tens of millions of Americans work for businesses where the owners won't require vaccinations. Do you really think a hair salon in the suburbs if Oklahoma City will require vaccinations? And large swathes of Americans don't have a PCP. The emergency room is their medical provider. So, a lot of the pressures you might be able to apply to an UMC mom from Bethesda to get her and her kids vaccinated aren't really going to work on tens of millions of Americans who couldn't care less what some elite pediatric practice does.

Agree. This virus will circulate. More is places where there are more susceptible hosts, and much less in places where there are less susceptible hosts.

Do think increased rates, maybe even deaths, from more virulent strains will change people's minds? I hope so but am not optimistic. If anything, I have found this past year to be absolutely terrifying, ranging from the prospect of getting infected to the cold, harsh reality that people who know better are in thrall to cult and we are all at their mercy.

It would change my mind. Risk/reward.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a very bad death. Very bad. Quick, scary, alone.

So is thrombocytopenia, a brain blood clot, etc.

Is that so infectious that you say good buy to your kids over zoom?

You won't even get the chance. Look dead is dead. Take your chances with the vaccines or the virus. It should be your choice and no one else's business. If the vaccines are so great why won't the manufacturers' accept liability? Yadda yadda yadda but there's a fund for adverse effects...

Would you accept that for any other product? No.

The topic of this thread is how will availability of certain things be limited to people that take the chance of not getting vaccinated. It is not about forcing any person to be vaccinated. It is about what will be available to vaccinated people, and what will be available to unvaccinated people.

Ah, but coercion is force. Bullying is force. Shaming is force. So that's not really what your topic is then is it?

If you are trying to shame me or bully me into not discussing this topic, try again. There are vaxxed and unvaxxed - all fine and good but the two groups are not the same.

They are the same. They are people making individual choices which you have no control over despite your best efforts.

[Anonymous]

I fail to understand why all the anti-vaxxers in this thread are so upset that private businesses may not allow them on premises. It's literally the free market at work.