The Crown - season 4

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Anonymous wrote:Is it terrible that I sort-of feel that Princess Diana's narrative is the only one everyone appears to internalize regarding the Wales' marriage drama?

Do we know for a fact that Charles carried on an active affair with Camilla during the entirety of their marriage? What about Princess Diana's documented mental health issues?

To me, it appears that more than the cheating, Princess Diana had major immaturity issues. Charles needed a partner and she was always crying and creating drama.

She was 19.

Exactly. She was 19 and had no support or real love from Charles, her only lifeline in a dysfunctional, insular, generally unhappy and cynical family. I am fascinated by the royals, but it’s messed up that a family dynamic can revolve solely around one person at the expense at everyone around them. For what? To remain in power, preserve the family heritage in an outdated institution? They were all miserable despite having every privilege in the world.

Yes but she consented to the marriage, as did her family. Is it really on the institution of the monarchy to ensure their interpersonal affairs were handled appropriately? Don't get me wrong, I stan Princess Di, I just feel like her being a mismatch for the royal family isn't necessarily a blemish on the institution itself.

Had Princess Di had a loving supportive family like Kate does, she would have had an easier transition and may have handled the Charles' affair drama better.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm on the 7th episode. God, how rude and patronizing the family is to Diana and Margaret Thatcher. It's their fault that Diana didn't know what to do and it's also their fault that Thatcher doesn't know what clothing to bring. How would she know they were going out traipsing around in the mud?

Margaret Thatcher was a terrible human being and deserved anything she got from these people.

This must be the "empire is bad" poster.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm on the 7th episode. God, how rude and patronizing the family is to Diana and Margaret Thatcher. It's their fault that Diana didn't know what to do and it's also their fault that Thatcher doesn't know what clothing to bring. How would she know they were going out traipsing around in the mud?

Margaret Thatcher was a terrible human being and deserved anything she got from these people.

This must be the "empire is bad" poster.

It’s not, but both points are still true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it terrible that I sort-of feel that Princess Diana's narrative is the only one everyone appears to internalize regarding the Wales' marriage drama?

Do we know for a fact that Charles carried on an active affair with Camilla during the entirety of their marriage? What about Princess Diana's documented mental health issues?

To me, it appears that more than the cheating, Princess Diana had major immaturity issues. Charles needed a partner and she was always crying and creating drama.

She was 19.

Exactly. She was 19 and had no support or real love from Charles, her only lifeline in a dysfunctional, insular, generally unhappy and cynical family. I am fascinated by the royals, but it’s messed up that a family dynamic can revolve solely around one person at the expense at everyone around them. For what? To remain in power, preserve the family heritage in an outdated institution? They were all miserable despite having every privilege in the world.

Yes but she consented to the marriage, as did her family. Is it really on the institution of the monarchy to ensure their interpersonal affairs were handled appropriately? Don't get me wrong, I stan Princess Di, I just feel like her being a mismatch for the royal family isn't necessarily a blemish on the institution itself.

Had Princess Di had a loving supportive family like Kate does, she would have had an easier transition and may have handled the Charles' affair drama better.

I don’t disagree with you entirely, but it should’ve been on at least her husband to support and love her in what would have been a challenging transition for anyone, let alone a clueless, inexperienced 19 year old.

Kate had a supportive family, but she also had a loving longtime boyfriend turned fiancé/husband, and a long courtship to prepare. But it did also strike me how much kates familial support must have helped her when she was probably otherwise very much alone. I imagine this is a reason she’s had three children- they are a wonderful investment for her future.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I was ten years old when Di and Charles got married, and I remember Thatcher, the Falkland Islands War, etc. Also remember hating Charles and Camilla and loving Diana, whatever year(s) it was that somehow I heard about the marital issues. This show has brought back a lot of memories.

I really hate Charles and Camilla still.

Your hatred should be directed at Lillibet, Philip, and Dickie Mountbatten. They engineered that ill fated marriage. Charles and Camilla should have married from the first. They are now very happily married.

How do you know they are happily married? I'm really curious about whether it has lived up to his expectations.

I really wonder. How can two narcissistic “victims” finally arrive at happiness?

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I keep trying and put myself into Diana’s shoes. I have a wonderful supportive family. But seriously if your husband has another girlfriend that he’s majorly in love with, there’s not enough self confidence, maturity, perspective, or self love in the world to make that not a living hell.

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The way he screamed at her about the NY tour was seriously disturbing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was ten years old when Di and Charles got married, and I remember Thatcher, the Falkland Islands War, etc. Also remember hating Charles and Camilla and loving Diana, whatever year(s) it was that somehow I heard about the marital issues. This show has brought back a lot of memories.

I really hate Charles and Camilla still.

Your hatred should be directed at Lillibet, Philip, and Dickie Mountbatten. They engineered that ill fated marriage. Charles and Camilla should have married from the first. They are now very happily married.

How do you know they are happily married? I'm really curious about whether it has lived up to his expectations.

I really wonder. How can two narcissistic “victims” finally arrive at happiness?

I’m sure they are happily married. They better be, for all the damage they had to do to get there. There must a psychological element to it. I bet they are more in love because of the circumstances that led to their marriage than they would have been if they’d just simply been allowed to marry as twenty somethings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it terrible that I sort-of feel that Princess Diana's narrative is the only one everyone appears to internalize regarding the Wales' marriage drama?

Do we know for a fact that Charles carried on an active affair with Camilla during the entirety of their marriage? What about Princess Diana's documented mental health issues?

To me, it appears that more than the cheating, Princess Diana had major immaturity issues. Charles needed a partner and she was always crying and creating drama.

She was 19.

Exactly. She was 19 and had no support or real love from Charles, her only lifeline in a dysfunctional, insular, generally unhappy and cynical family. I am fascinated by the royals, but it’s messed up that a family dynamic can revolve solely around one person at the expense at everyone around them. For what? To remain in power, preserve the family heritage in an outdated institution? They were all miserable despite having every privilege in the world.

Yes but she consented to the marriage, as did her family. Is it really on the institution of the monarchy to ensure their interpersonal affairs were handled appropriately? Don't get me wrong, I stan Princess Di, I just feel like her being a mismatch for the royal family isn't necessarily a blemish on the institution itself.

Had Princess Di had a loving supportive family like Kate does, she would have had an easier transition and may have handled the Charles' affair drama better.

I don’t disagree with you entirely, but it should’ve been on at least her husband to support and love her in what would have been a challenging transition for anyone, let alone a clueless, inexperienced 19 year old.

Kate had a supportive family, but she also had a loving longtime boyfriend turned fiancé/husband, and a long courtship to prepare. But it did also strike me how much kates familial support must have helped her when she was probably otherwise very much alone. I imagine this is a reason she’s had three children- they are a wonderful investment for her future.

I agree completely. Having your husband be completely in love with someone else and cold and distant with you would destroy anyone's mental health.

Kate comes from a very close family and is often at her mother's house with her children. Through rumors of Wills cheating on her, and her adjustment to royal life, her family has been there for her.

Poor Di had no one and came from a broken home. It was a disaster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I keep trying and put myself into Diana’s shoes. I have a wonderful supportive family. But seriously if your husband has another girlfriend that he’s majorly in love with, there’s not enough self confidence, maturity, perspective, or self love in the world to make that not a living hell.

+1, and add in the fact that she was in a high profile marriage within a metaphorical prison. She was truly alone.

[Anonymous]

I find it truly repulsive that someone who lacks moral fiber such as Prince Charles will soon be King. Shouldn't his repulsive treatment of his first wife bar him from the throne?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it truly repulsive that someone who lacks moral fiber such as Prince Charles will soon be King. Shouldn't his repulsive treatment of his first wife bar him from the throne?

I don’t think he lacks moral fiber. It’s miserable that he wasn’t allowed to marry the woman he loved in the first place, and was then forced to take another wife and produce an heir. In one sense, he actually has some moral fiber to have remained loyal to Camilla at least. That said, his marriage to Diana was a train wreck and it was especially regrettable how it destroyed her life - she was, to use Diana’s own words, a sacrificial lamb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it truly repulsive that someone who lacks moral fiber such as Prince Charles will soon be King. Shouldn't his repulsive treatment of his first wife bar him from the throne?

I don’t think he lacks moral fiber. It’s miserable that he wasn’t allowed to marry the woman he loved in the first place, and was then forced to take another wife and produce an heir. In one sense, he actually has some moral fiber to have remained loyal to Camilla at least. That said, his marriage to Diana was a train wreck and it was especially regrettable how it destroyed her life - she was, to use Diana’s own words, a sacrificial lamb.

I think what makes him repulsive is that he emotionally abused and got involved an innocent victim into his mess. He could've stood his ground and not married her.

He could have, upon marriage to her, committed to her and decided to make the best of the situation.

He did the worst thing he could do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it truly repulsive that someone who lacks moral fiber such as Prince Charles will soon be King. Shouldn't his repulsive treatment of his first wife bar him from the throne?

I don’t think he lacks moral fiber. It’s miserable that he wasn’t allowed to marry the woman he loved in the first place, and was then forced to take another wife and produce an heir. In one sense, he actually has some moral fiber to have remained loyal to Camilla at least. That said, his marriage to Diana was a train wreck and it was especially regrettable how it destroyed her life - she was, to use Diana’s own words, a sacrificial lamb.

I think what makes him repulsive is that he emotionally abused and got involved an innocent victim into his mess. He could've stood his ground and not married her.

He could have, upon marriage to her, committed to her and decided to make the best of the situation.

He did the worst thing he could do.

But as a future king, he had to marry someone and was pressured to do so by his parents to avoid another King David-abdication scenario.I blame it on the monarchy. Charles shouldn’t have had to torture himself by marrying anyone other than the one he loved.

I do think some of his other behavior on the crown was more reprehensible and calls his character more into question- particularly his insecurity around Diana’s popularity and his own relevance. That lacked moral fiber and he should be held personally accountable for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it truly repulsive that someone who lacks moral fiber such as Prince Charles will soon be King. Shouldn't his repulsive treatment of his first wife bar him from the throne?

I don’t think he lacks moral fiber. It’s miserable that he wasn’t allowed to marry the woman he loved in the first place, and was then forced to take another wife and produce an heir. In one sense, he actually has some moral fiber to have remained loyal to Camilla at least. That said, his marriage to Diana was a train wreck and it was especially regrettable how it destroyed her life - she was, to use Diana’s own words, a sacrificial lamb.

I think what makes him repulsive is that he emotionally abused and got involved an innocent victim into his mess. He could've stood his ground and not married her.

He could have, upon marriage to her, committed to her and decided to make the best of the situation.

He did the worst thing he could do.

But as a future king, he had to marry someone and was pressured to do so by his parents to avoid another King David-abdication scenario.I blame it on the monarchy. Charles shouldn’t have had to torture himself by marrying anyone other than the one he loved.

I do think some of his other behavior on the crown was more reprehensible and calls his character more into question- particularly his insecurity around Diana’s popularity and his own relevance. That lacked moral fiber and he should be held personally accountable for that.

Camilla was not chomping at the bit to marry him when she could have. They weren’t star crossed lovers, Camilla was a player.