Arizona is a disaster

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Anonymous wrote:The positivity rate for tests in Mexico was 49.5 % yesterday. any surprise that the border states are seeing spikes?

Heard mandatory testing of migrant workers is accounting for a lot of the #s in US.

Right. It’s Mexico’s fault.

Roll your eyes al you want. Doctors in SoCal have been reporting high ## of people coming in from Mexico for treatment. If you had coronavirus, would you want to be in the hospital in LA or Tucson or a Mexican border town?

This is from the WaPo a month ago, when Mexico's covid numbers were better than they are now:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/05/27/coronavirus-mexico-border/?arc404=true

Then a real pandemic struck. Now, approximately half of the coronavirus patients in several California border hospitals, including El Centro Regional Medical Center, are recent arrivals from Mexico. As a result of that surge, Imperial County, home to El Centro, has a much higher concentration of coronavirus cases — 760 per 100,000 residents — than any other county in California.

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“We see patients who have been in Mexican hospitals for two, three or four days before they cross the border and come to us,” said Dennis Amundson, the medical director in the intensive care unit at Scripps Mercy Hospital in Chula Vista, Calif.

U.S. citizens and green-card holders in northern Mexico started sharing messages and Facebook posts in groups such as “Rosarito Living” and “Expats in Mexico.” If you get sick, they say, cross the border.

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Forty-eight percent of patients at Scripps Mercy in Chula Vista last week had visited Mexico in the week before they were admitted.

why is this any different from the thousands of Us citizens who returned to the US in March, many of whom were sick or exposed?

At least US citizens or permanent residents from mexico can drive into the US, thus avoiding the transmissibility risks that came with the European wave of returning citizens.

Did I say it was different? You're more than a little defensive about this.

Mexico is having a significant outbreak, and, according the WaPo and NYT, people are flooding into the US for treatment. It explains a lot about what's happening in the border states. I guess we're supposed to ignore this because it's politically inconvenient?

It contributes, but it doesn't explain "a lot."
Those states' refusals to follow public health guidelines in reopening, along with little effort being made to mitigate the outbreaks, is why Arizona, Texas, and the entire South are having huge and increasing outbreaks.

It's GOP governors blowing it. Look at New Mexico with a Dem governor, wedged between Arizona and Texas, yet has decreasing numbers. In fact there are more people hospitalized in the city of El Paso TX right now than in the entire state of New Mexico. https://kvia.com/news/new-mexico/2020/06/28/dona-ana-has-states-only-new-virus-death-new-mexico-now-has-fewer-hospitalizations-than-el-paso/

NP here: Population of New Mexico is 2 million, metro El Paso is 1 million. Ciudad Juarez, right across the border, is 2.5 million. So 3.5 million in the El Paso region. Just a FYI.

Let's also be honest here. Lots of Northern states refused to follow public health guidelines too - we had these things called mass protests and riots....

Sure let's be "honest here" Dumf had a playbook from Obama, could have avoided all of this.

McConnell said so on FOX NEWS.

127,000 dead Americans and counting.

Now as for blue vs red states. Red states had decided the virus was a hoax and just like the flu. How's that working for them currently? Florida's not even reporting all it's deaths or how full all the hospitals are.

Fact, cases coming from Mexico, American's who could not stay home went on vacation and bringing it back. American's who work over the border also brining it back.

How about we blame the virus explosion in Texas on the Hispanic communities (which sort of sounds like it's where a lot of the spikes are happening due to the reports from the border towns). How many of them are "Drumf" supporters?

Maybe it's exploded through the AA communities in Houston following the protests and Floyd's funeral.

Who knows.

Of course! It’s got to be the minorities. They are the reason. It’s not the white Texans at all.

Now flash the pics of all the kids on the river, restaurants and shops of people wearing no masks, etc....

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Anonymous wrote:The positivity rate for tests in Mexico was 49.5 % yesterday. any surprise that the border states are seeing spikes?

Heard mandatory testing of migrant workers is accounting for a lot of the #s in US.

Right. It’s Mexico’s fault.

Roll your eyes al you want. Doctors in SoCal have been reporting high ## of people coming in from Mexico for treatment. If you had coronavirus, would you want to be in the hospital in LA or Tucson or a Mexican border town?

This is from the WaPo a month ago, when Mexico's covid numbers were better than they are now:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/05/27/coronavirus-mexico-border/?arc404=true

Then a real pandemic struck. Now, approximately half of the coronavirus patients in several California border hospitals, including El Centro Regional Medical Center, are recent arrivals from Mexico. As a result of that surge, Imperial County, home to El Centro, has a much higher concentration of coronavirus cases — 760 per 100,000 residents — than any other county in California.

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“We see patients who have been in Mexican hospitals for two, three or four days before they cross the border and come to us,” said Dennis Amundson, the medical director in the intensive care unit at Scripps Mercy Hospital in Chula Vista, Calif.

U.S. citizens and green-card holders in northern Mexico started sharing messages and Facebook posts in groups such as “Rosarito Living” and “Expats in Mexico.” If you get sick, they say, cross the border.

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Forty-eight percent of patients at Scripps Mercy in Chula Vista last week had visited Mexico in the week before they were admitted.

why is this any different from the thousands of Us citizens who returned to the US in March, many of whom were sick or exposed?

At least US citizens or permanent residents from mexico can drive into the US, thus avoiding the transmissibility risks that came with the European wave of returning citizens.

Did I say it was different? You're more than a little defensive about this.

Mexico is having a significant outbreak, and, according the WaPo and NYT, people are flooding into the US for treatment. It explains a lot about what's happening in the border states. I guess we're supposed to ignore this because it's politically inconvenient?

It contributes, but it doesn't explain "a lot."
Those states' refusals to follow public health guidelines in reopening, along with little effort being made to mitigate the outbreaks, is why Arizona, Texas, and the entire South are having huge and increasing outbreaks.

It's GOP governors blowing it. Look at New Mexico with a Dem governor, wedged between Arizona and Texas, yet has decreasing numbers. In fact there are more people hospitalized in the city of El Paso TX right now than in the entire state of New Mexico. https://kvia.com/news/new-mexico/2020/06/28/dona-ana-has-states-only-new-virus-death-new-mexico-now-has-fewer-hospitalizations-than-el-paso/

NP here: Population of New Mexico is 2 million, metro El Paso is 1 million. Ciudad Juarez, right across the border, is 2.5 million. So 3.5 million in the El Paso region. Just a FYI.

Let's also be honest here. Lots of Northern states refused to follow public health guidelines too - we had these things called mass protests and riots....

Sure let's be "honest here" Dumf had a playbook from Obama, could have avoided all of this.

McConnell said so on FOX NEWS.

127,000 dead Americans and counting.

Now as for blue vs red states. Red states had decided the virus was a hoax and just like the flu. How's that working for them currently? Florida's not even reporting all it's deaths or how full all the hospitals are.

Fact, cases coming from Mexico, American's who could not stay home went on vacation and bringing it back. American's who work over the border also brining it back.

How about we blame the virus explosion in Texas on the Hispanic communities (which sort of sounds like it's where a lot of the spikes are happening due to the reports from the border towns). How many of them are "Drumf" supporters?

Maybe it's exploded through the AA communities in Houston following the protests and Floyd's funeral.

Who knows.

Of course! It’s got to be the minorities. They are the reason. It’s not the white Texans at all.

Now flash the pics of all the kids on the river, restaurants and shops of people wearing no masks, etc....

If you want to go around blaming everything on Trump voters, it might help you to see that Pittsburgh is reclosing bars, and Philadelphia is now reevaluating moving forward to the green light of the COVID-19 reopening. Neither cities are Trump territory (heavily Democratic).
https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/pennsylvanias-allegheny-county-closing-bars-amid-coronavirus-spike/


https://www.fox29.com/news/philadelphia-officials-reevaluating-plans-to-move-to-green-phase-friday

Fact is, you can't blame all these spikes on Trump supporters. But here's another hypothesis to enrage you: young people, even in "red" states, are much more likely to be Democratic supporters. And it looks like we're seeing big spikes among young people....

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Why would anyone be surprised that young people are spreading it? For months, all I’ve been hearing is, “if you’re old or have preexisting conditions, you should stay home, but we need to go out and live life. There’s like a 1% chance we’ll have any complications. Are you afraid to drive a car just because you might get into an accident?”

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Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone be surprised that young people are spreading it? For months, all I’ve been hearing is, “if you’re old or have preexisting conditions, you should stay home, but we need to go out and live life. There’s like a 1% chance we’ll have any complications. Are you afraid to drive a car just because you might get into an accident?”

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Open the bars, they will go.

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Anonymous wrote:Please cite that protests led to a covid spike.

Just wait. The Southern spike didn't happen overnight. It's all about seeding. The South reopened when their cases were very, very low. The north is reopening now because our cases have dropped to very low numbers, basically the same place TX and FL was 4-6 weeks ago Give it time.

The south never took it seriously. It’s not going to explode like that if people continue to engage in risk mitigation

Do you have a cite for that? Other than what you see on Facebook? Because I live in the South and my town shut down before NYC did. We were quarantined for 3 months, just like everyone else. I can tell you that my friends in the DC area posted more "going out" photos than did my friends down here, and are now posting pictures of their teens on the beach in Maryland with a big group of friends with their arms around each other. So, based on my evidence, I would say that DC never took it "seriously." Which is backed up by the # of cases and deaths, by the way.

You experience with a few friends don’t say much. I live in DC and it was a ghost town during the long shutdown. People here took it seriously. Everyone is wearing masks. But if you want facts, see link below on who is doing well and who is not currently. DMV doing great now, 2 weeks ago and 1 month ago. Consistent pattern. Many southern states and AZ now and the same time period, not so.

https://rt.live/

DC has the 5th most total cases per capita in the country, with 14,520 cases per million. Texas, even with the recent spike, has 5,178. But, yeah, DC is doing great.

Maryland has 11,045 cases per million.

The numbers for DC are understated, because DC had a test positivity rate of over 30% at one point. DC has a cumulative mortality rate of 5.37% (vs. Texas’ 1.6%), which means DC testing missed a lot of cases.

DC has a 1.01 growth rate, Maryland has 1.02 and Texas has 1.03. Not a huge difference.

http://www.91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?fbclid=IwAR31GHXuyL1QxPp5xKusUXXQg2e0EEpwm9_oqEadVpooHw8CusCDSmUeBPg

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Anonymous wrote:Please cite that protests led to a covid spike.

Just wait. The Southern spike didn't happen overnight. It's all about seeding. The South reopened when their cases were very, very low. The north is reopening now because our cases have dropped to very low numbers, basically the same place TX and FL was 4-6 weeks ago Give it time.

The south never took it seriously. It’s not going to explode like that if people continue to engage in risk mitigation

Do you have a cite for that? Other than what you see on Facebook? Because I live in the South and my town shut down before NYC did. We were quarantined for 3 months, just like everyone else. I can tell you that my friends in the DC area posted more "going out" photos than did my friends down here, and are now posting pictures of their teens on the beach in Maryland with a big group of friends with their arms around each other. So, based on my evidence, I would say that DC never took it "seriously." Which is backed up by the # of cases and deaths, by the way.

You experience with a few friends don’t say much. I live in DC and it was a ghost town during the long shutdown. People here took it seriously. Everyone is wearing masks. But if you want facts, see link below on who is doing well and who is not currently. DMV doing great now, 2 weeks ago and 1 month ago. Consistent pattern. Many southern states and AZ now and the same time period, not so.

https://rt.live/

DC has the 5th most total cases per capita in the country, with 14,520 cases per million. Texas, even with the recent spike, has 5,178. But, yeah, DC is doing great.

Maryland has 11,045 cases per million.

The numbers for DC are understated, because DC had a test positivity rate of over 30% at one point. DC has a cumulative mortality rate of 5.37% (vs. Texas’ 1.6%), which means DC testing missed a lot of cases.

DC has a 1.01 growth rate, Maryland has 1.02 and Texas has 1.03. Not a huge difference.

http://www.91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?fbclid=IwAR31GHXuyL1QxPp5xKusUXXQg2e0EEpwm9_oqEadVpooHw8CusCDSmUeBPg

apples to oranges. MD and DC were hit much earlier on. At the time the cases were peaking, not as much was known about covid. We know a lot more now, and we've seen that wearing masks, social distancing, and sheltering in place works to bring those numbers down. But places like TX, AZ and FL thought they were immune to an increase in cases because "sun", "heat", "old people".. but now we are seeing in those places that it's the younger people spreading it.

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This is ridiculous even by DCUM standards. The virus does not care about your politics! COVID is spreading from:
The protests
Church services
White people
People of color
Red states with open bars and restaurants
Blue states with open beaches & crowded parks
Families socializing
Old people socializing
Young people socializing
Lack of mask wearing everywhere

It's an all-of-the above answer.

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I just saw yesterday that many school districts in Arizona are planning to open with a full-time in person option (they will also offer FT distance learning). This includes my grandsons' district, which starts year-round school in mid-July. I wonder if Arizona will have to pull back on this now due to the recent spike? If not, will be interesting to see how they fare as we struggle here with the best way to proceed.

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Anonymous wrote:I just saw yesterday that many school districts in Arizona are planning to open with a full-time in person option (they will also offer FT distance learning). This includes my grandsons' district, which starts year-round school in mid-July. I wonder if Arizona will have to pull back on this now due to the recent spike? If not, will be interesting to see how they fare as we struggle here with the best way to proceed.

Gov Ducey approved a $850 million one time grant to help schools reopen, but it is contingent on opening by 8/6 and doesn't give flexibility with the schedule. The school must offer a physical attendance option for the entire 180 day school year. Also, for the students using virtual instead of in-school option, 5% is deducted per student. Districts are urging parents to ask the legislature to reconvene, to give them more time and options, as well as not to limit the funding.

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Arizona doctor calling for the Governor to shutdown the state again.

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Anonymous wrote:The positivity rate for tests in Mexico was 49.5 % yesterday. any surprise that the border states are seeing spikes?

Heard mandatory testing of migrant workers is accounting for a lot of the #s in US.

Right. It’s Mexico’s fault.

Roll your eyes al you want. Doctors in SoCal have been reporting high ## of people coming in from Mexico for treatment. If you had coronavirus, would you want to be in the hospital in LA or Tucson or a Mexican border town?

This is from the WaPo a month ago, when Mexico's covid numbers were better than they are now:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/05/27/coronavirus-mexico-border/?arc404=true

Then a real pandemic struck. Now, approximately half of the coronavirus patients in several California border hospitals, including El Centro Regional Medical Center, are recent arrivals from Mexico. As a result of that surge, Imperial County, home to El Centro, has a much higher concentration of coronavirus cases — 760 per 100,000 residents — than any other county in California.

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“We see patients who have been in Mexican hospitals for two, three or four days before they cross the border and come to us,” said Dennis Amundson, the medical director in the intensive care unit at Scripps Mercy Hospital in Chula Vista, Calif.

U.S. citizens and green-card holders in northern Mexico started sharing messages and Facebook posts in groups such as “Rosarito Living” and “Expats in Mexico.” If you get sick, they say, cross the border.

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Forty-eight percent of patients at Scripps Mercy in Chula Vista last week had visited Mexico in the week before they were admitted.

why is this any different from the thousands of Us citizens who returned to the US in March, many of whom were sick or exposed?

At least US citizens or permanent residents from mexico can drive into the US, thus avoiding the transmissibility risks that came with the European wave of returning citizens.

Did I say it was different? You're more than a little defensive about this.

Mexico is having a significant outbreak, and, according the WaPo and NYT, people are flooding into the US for treatment. It explains a lot about what's happening in the border states. I guess we're supposed to ignore this because it's politically inconvenient?

It contributes, but it doesn't explain "a lot."
Those states' refusals to follow public health guidelines in reopening, along with little effort being made to mitigate the outbreaks, is why Arizona, Texas, and the entire South are having huge and increasing outbreaks.

It's GOP governors blowing it. Look at New Mexico with a Dem governor, wedged between Arizona and Texas, yet has decreasing numbers. In fact there are more people hospitalized in the city of El Paso TX right now than in the entire state of New Mexico. https://kvia.com/news/new-mexico/2020/06/28/dona-ana-has-states-only-new-virus-death-new-mexico-now-has-fewer-hospitalizations-than-el-paso/

Actually, you just made my point. Check out a map. The bolded would be true because El Paso is the major medical center for BOTH for Western Texas and NM and is the major border crossing for NM. El Paso getting patients from Mexico and Southern New Mexico.

CNN reporting today on increase in cases coming across the Mexcian border in CA, AZ and TX. They say people are coming in ambulances to the border and being met by ambulances on the U.S. side.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/health/border-hospitals-coronavirus/index.html

About 90 miles to the west, Scripps Mercy Hospital Chula Vista, which is across the border from Tijuana, was also seeing cases starting to climb.
Officials began tracking the travel histories of patients there, and quickly spotted a trend: Many had recently been in Mexico.
"About half the patients that are testing positive are indicating they've crossed the border within the previous week," Van Gorder says.
"The patients that cross the border appear to be sicker than the patients that we've normally been seeing," he says. "It may be that they waited in Mexico too long, or they went to a Mexican hospital and decided to get their care here."

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Anonymous wrote:The positivity rate for tests in Mexico was 49.5 % yesterday. any surprise that the border states are seeing spikes?

Heard mandatory testing of migrant workers is accounting for a lot of the #s in US.

Right. It’s Mexico’s fault.

Roll your eyes al you want. Doctors in SoCal have been reporting high ## of people coming in from Mexico for treatment. If you had coronavirus, would you want to be in the hospital in LA or Tucson or a Mexican border town?

This is from the WaPo a month ago, when Mexico's covid numbers were better than they are now:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/05/27/coronavirus-mexico-border/?arc404=true

Then a real pandemic struck. Now, approximately half of the coronavirus patients in several California border hospitals, including El Centro Regional Medical Center, are recent arrivals from Mexico. As a result of that surge, Imperial County, home to El Centro, has a much higher concentration of coronavirus cases — 760 per 100,000 residents — than any other county in California.

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“We see patients who have been in Mexican hospitals for two, three or four days before they cross the border and come to us,” said Dennis Amundson, the medical director in the intensive care unit at Scripps Mercy Hospital in Chula Vista, Calif.

U.S. citizens and green-card holders in northern Mexico started sharing messages and Facebook posts in groups such as “Rosarito Living” and “Expats in Mexico.” If you get sick, they say, cross the border.

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Forty-eight percent of patients at Scripps Mercy in Chula Vista last week had visited Mexico in the week before they were admitted.

why is this any different from the thousands of Us citizens who returned to the US in March, many of whom were sick or exposed?

At least US citizens or permanent residents from mexico can drive into the US, thus avoiding the transmissibility risks that came with the European wave of returning citizens.

Did I say it was different? You're more than a little defensive about this.

Mexico is having a significant outbreak, and, according the WaPo and NYT, people are flooding into the US for treatment. It explains a lot about what's happening in the border states. I guess we're supposed to ignore this because it's politically inconvenient?

It contributes, but it doesn't explain "a lot."
Those states' refusals to follow public health guidelines in reopening, along with little effort being made to mitigate the outbreaks, is why Arizona, Texas, and the entire South are having huge and increasing outbreaks.

It's GOP governors blowing it. Look at New Mexico with a Dem governor, wedged between Arizona and Texas, yet has decreasing numbers. In fact there are more people hospitalized in the city of El Paso TX right now than in the entire state of New Mexico. https://kvia.com/news/new-mexico/2020/06/28/dona-ana-has-states-only-new-virus-death-new-mexico-now-has-fewer-hospitalizations-than-el-paso/

Actually, you just made my point. Check out a map. The bolded would be true because El Paso is the major medical center for BOTH for Western Texas and NM and is the major border crossing for NM. El Paso getting patients from Mexico and Southern New Mexico.

CNN reporting today on increase in cases coming across the Mexcian border in CA, AZ and TX. They say people are coming in ambulances to the border and being met by ambulances on the U.S. side.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/health/border-hospitals-coronavirus/index.html

About 90 miles to the west, Scripps Mercy Hospital Chula Vista, which is across the border from Tijuana, was also seeing cases starting to climb.
Officials began tracking the travel histories of patients there, and quickly spotted a trend: Many had recently been in Mexico.
"About half the patients that are testing positive are indicating they've crossed the border within the previous week," Van Gorder says.
"The patients that cross the border appear to be sicker than the patients that we've normally been seeing," he says. "It may be that they waited in Mexico too long, or they went to a Mexican hospital and decided to get their care here."

In other words - they went to Mexican beaches got sick and needed medevac assistance to the US.

What idiots. Are your vacations and cheap retirement communities worth it?

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Today I went to an outdoor pool bar while visiting family in NC. I was the ONLY PERSON wearing a mask (staff included) and a guy behind me loudly mocked me (Hey, she here to stick the place up)? Coming from the DMV, I was stunned by the lack of masks.

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Anonymous wrote:The positivity rate for tests in Mexico was 49.5 % yesterday. any surprise that the border states are seeing spikes?

Heard mandatory testing of migrant workers is accounting for a lot of the #s in US.

Right. It’s Mexico’s fault.

Roll your eyes al you want. Doctors in SoCal have been reporting high ## of people coming in from Mexico for treatment. If you had coronavirus, would you want to be in the hospital in LA or Tucson or a Mexican border town?

This is from the WaPo a month ago, when Mexico's covid numbers were better than they are now:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/05/27/coronavirus-mexico-border/?arc404=true

Then a real pandemic struck. Now, approximately half of the coronavirus patients in several California border hospitals, including El Centro Regional Medical Center, are recent arrivals from Mexico. As a result of that surge, Imperial County, home to El Centro, has a much higher concentration of coronavirus cases — 760 per 100,000 residents — than any other county in California.

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“We see patients who have been in Mexican hospitals for two, three or four days before they cross the border and come to us,” said Dennis Amundson, the medical director in the intensive care unit at Scripps Mercy Hospital in Chula Vista, Calif.

U.S. citizens and green-card holders in northern Mexico started sharing messages and Facebook posts in groups such as “Rosarito Living” and “Expats in Mexico.” If you get sick, they say, cross the border.

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Forty-eight percent of patients at Scripps Mercy in Chula Vista last week had visited Mexico in the week before they were admitted.

why is this any different from the thousands of Us citizens who returned to the US in March, many of whom were sick or exposed?

At least US citizens or permanent residents from mexico can drive into the US, thus avoiding the transmissibility risks that came with the European wave of returning citizens.

Did I say it was different? You're more than a little defensive about this.

Mexico is having a significant outbreak, and, according the WaPo and NYT, people are flooding into the US for treatment. It explains a lot about what's happening in the border states. I guess we're supposed to ignore this because it's politically inconvenient?

It contributes, but it doesn't explain "a lot."
Those states' refusals to follow public health guidelines in reopening, along with little effort being made to mitigate the outbreaks, is why Arizona, Texas, and the entire South are having huge and increasing outbreaks.

It's GOP governors blowing it. Look at New Mexico with a Dem governor, wedged between Arizona and Texas, yet has decreasing numbers. In fact there are more people hospitalized in the city of El Paso TX right now than in the entire state of New Mexico. https://kvia.com/news/new-mexico/2020/06/28/dona-ana-has-states-only-new-virus-death-new-mexico-now-has-fewer-hospitalizations-than-el-paso/

Actually, you just made my point. Check out a map. The bolded would be true because El Paso is the major medical center for BOTH for Western Texas and NM and is the major border crossing for NM. El Paso getting patients from Mexico and Southern New Mexico.

CNN reporting today on increase in cases coming across the Mexcian border in CA, AZ and TX. They say people are coming in ambulances to the border and being met by ambulances on the U.S. side.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/health/border-hospitals-coronavirus/index.html

About 90 miles to the west, Scripps Mercy Hospital Chula Vista, which is across the border from Tijuana, was also seeing cases starting to climb.
Officials began tracking the travel histories of patients there, and quickly spotted a trend: Many had recently been in Mexico.
"About half the patients that are testing positive are indicating they've crossed the border within the previous week," Van Gorder says.
"The patients that cross the border appear to be sicker than the patients that we've normally been seeing," he says. "It may be that they waited in Mexico too long, or they went to a Mexican hospital and decided to get their care here."

In other words - they went to Mexican beaches got sick and needed medevac assistance to the US.

What idiots. Are your vacations and cheap retirement communities worth it?

Wow. Why are you so stubborn and refusing to acknowledge the spike is certainly caused by transmission across the Mexicab border? These aren't Trump supporters going to beaches in Mexico. There's substantial Hispanic crossings the border every day because many have US citizenship.

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Anonymous wrote:The positivity rate for tests in Mexico was 49.5 % yesterday. any surprise that the border states are seeing spikes?

Heard mandatory testing of migrant workers is accounting for a lot of the #s in US.

Right. It’s Mexico’s fault.

Roll your eyes al you want. Doctors in SoCal have been reporting high ## of people coming in from Mexico for treatment. If you had coronavirus, would you want to be in the hospital in LA or Tucson or a Mexican border town?

This is from the WaPo a month ago, when Mexico's covid numbers were better than they are now:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/05/27/coronavirus-mexico-border/?arc404=true

Then a real pandemic struck. Now, approximately half of the coronavirus patients in several California border hospitals, including El Centro Regional Medical Center, are recent arrivals from Mexico. As a result of that surge, Imperial County, home to El Centro, has a much higher concentration of coronavirus cases — 760 per 100,000 residents — than any other county in California.

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“We see patients who have been in Mexican hospitals for two, three or four days before they cross the border and come to us,” said Dennis Amundson, the medical director in the intensive care unit at Scripps Mercy Hospital in Chula Vista, Calif.

U.S. citizens and green-card holders in northern Mexico started sharing messages and Facebook posts in groups such as “Rosarito Living” and “Expats in Mexico.” If you get sick, they say, cross the border.

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Forty-eight percent of patients at Scripps Mercy in Chula Vista last week had visited Mexico in the week before they were admitted.

why is this any different from the thousands of Us citizens who returned to the US in March, many of whom were sick or exposed?

At least US citizens or permanent residents from mexico can drive into the US, thus avoiding the transmissibility risks that came with the European wave of returning citizens.

Did I say it was different? You're more than a little defensive about this.

Mexico is having a significant outbreak, and, according the WaPo and NYT, people are flooding into the US for treatment. It explains a lot about what's happening in the border states. I guess we're supposed to ignore this because it's politically inconvenient?

It contributes, but it doesn't explain "a lot."
Those states' refusals to follow public health guidelines in reopening, along with little effort being made to mitigate the outbreaks, is why Arizona, Texas, and the entire South are having huge and increasing outbreaks.

It's GOP governors blowing it. Look at New Mexico with a Dem governor, wedged between Arizona and Texas, yet has decreasing numbers. In fact there are more people hospitalized in the city of El Paso TX right now than in the entire state of New Mexico. https://kvia.com/news/new-mexico/2020/06/28/dona-ana-has-states-only-new-virus-death-new-mexico-now-has-fewer-hospitalizations-than-el-paso/

Actually, you just made my point. Check out a map. The bolded would be true because El Paso is the major medical center for BOTH for Western Texas and NM and is the major border crossing for NM. El Paso getting patients from Mexico and Southern New Mexico.

CNN reporting today on increase in cases coming across the Mexcian border in CA, AZ and TX. They say people are coming in ambulances to the border and being met by ambulances on the U.S. side.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/health/border-hospitals-coronavirus/index.html

About 90 miles to the west, Scripps Mercy Hospital Chula Vista, which is across the border from Tijuana, was also seeing cases starting to climb.
Officials began tracking the travel histories of patients there, and quickly spotted a trend: Many had recently been in Mexico.
"About half the patients that are testing positive are indicating they've crossed the border within the previous week," Van Gorder says.
"The patients that cross the border appear to be sicker than the patients that we've normally been seeing," he says. "It may be that they waited in Mexico too long, or they went to a Mexican hospital and decided to get their care here."

In other words - they went to Mexican beaches got sick and needed medevac assistance to the US.

What idiots. Are your vacations and cheap retirement communities worth it?

Wow. Why are you so stubborn and refusing to acknowledge the spike is certainly caused by transmission across the Mexicab border? These aren't Trump supporters going to beaches in Mexico. There's substantial Hispanic crossings the border every day because many have US citizenship.

PP here.

I wasn't referring to Trump supporters making a day trip. I was referring to the substantial number of people demanding they be able to vacation at beach resorts around the Gulf as well as the large number of Americans permanently living south of the border because its cheap.