Family Beach House- DS and Friends Using it for Summer.

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Anonymous wrote:The friend wasn’t looking for a place to rent at the beach. He also wasn’t shopping around for 3 months of free accommodations. He was simply excited about being invited to live with his buddy at the beach for the summer. What makes the friend (or his mom) a freeloader if there was no mention of a lease and rental fees until after the invitation was accepted?

And don’t forget, the reason for inviting the friend wasn’t because the family wanted to rent out their glorified shed; it was because OP’s son didn’t want to spend the whole summer away from all of his friends. If one of my friends wanted me to rent crappy accommodations (that cost them almost nothing!) from them for several months just so that they’d have me around to entertain them, I wouldn’t feel like that was a great deal.

That’s a child’s view. Someone else should pay for my housing if they want to be my friend. If it doesn’t work for him just decline the offer. It’s asking a lot to be a guest for 3 months. Some people have enormous homes and lots of extra room and feel like entertaining a guest for months on end. That’s a very small group. That don’t have a tiny old cottage.

You must have grown up very poor or been raised by stingy people to be so worried about the nominal cost of having a friend use water and electricity for the summer. “I want a friend nearby, so please stay in the shed behind my beach house so I won’t be lonely. P.S. You’ll need to pay me.” There’s no way to spin that that doesn’t sound like a major social feau pas. Sure, the kid should definitely contribute something in exchange for staying on their property, but this was handled very poorly.

I agree. The sad thing is the son and friend are probably now embarrassed beyond belief. They may not find jobs and probably only p/t at that age.

Does this old house have smoke detectors, and fire extinguishers? Are the smoke detectors frequently checked? That would be my main concern if I allowed guests to use it from time to time.

You're clueless. Beach towns actually import workers from Europe and South America to fill vacancies. There's an enormous shortage of seasonal workers.

No I'm not, but they are looking at this as their summer vacation. OP wants to charge rent to a kid who doesn't have a job, lol. And it's her son's friend who was invited. The invitation was accepted. Then they sprung the rent and lease on the mother after the fact. That's pretty crappy!!!

OP you're not even a owner. In the future let the owners deal with it, your communication is somewhat skewed imo.

You are wrong and it has been pointed out a dozen times on this thread. The rent was not 'sprung' on him. And if he came at it from the POV that he was going to live there for free then he's a deadbeat that would not treat the house with respect anyway. Bullet dodged.

No one has said anything about employment. Maybe they had jobs lines up. Maybe they didn't. It doesn't matter because if you have a pulse you can have any job you want.

OP has never said that she even told the kid himself about the rent, just that she brought it up to his mom who was upset. I think it's overboard to impute all these negative attributes to a kid who may not even know why he's out of the house this summer.

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The sock puppeting by OP is crazy. Stop it.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here.

I withdrew the offer yesterday afternoon and another boy was offered the same deal. He and his parents accepted it immediately.

The first boy's mom sent me (and one of my BILs who'd been on the email thread) a long rambling email calling us "assholes" and then concluded by asking if he could actually take the deal. We said no.

Then she defriended me on FB. lol.

That's a load - didn't happen.

I don’t believe that update either.

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No mention as to how OP’s son feels about her uninviting his friend, etc.

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OPs original post says “live and work at the beach” so yes it is a job situation. No it’s not a 3 month vacation.

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I’m on team OP for withdrawing the offer. If it starts out like this it’s not going to get better. Also it’s a joint ownership home which means the ALL parties have to agree. People who don’t get that are very irritating to work with.

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Anonymous wrote:OPs original post says “live and work at the beach” so yes it is a job situation. No it’s not a 3 month vacation.

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Then why don't they work at home, lol. Of course it's a vacation!

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Anonymous wrote:OP here.

I withdrew the offer yesterday afternoon and another boy was offered the same deal. He and his parents accepted it immediately.

The first boy's mom sent me (and one of my BILs who'd been on the email thread) a long rambling email calling us "assholes" and then concluded by asking if he could actually take the deal. We said no.

Then she defriended me on FB. lol.

That's a load - didn't happen.

I don’t believe that update either.

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No mention as to how OP’s son feels about her uninviting his friend, etc.

I know, what a shame. We took our kid's friends on vacations and paid for everything. You don't really want to charge friends or family, certainly don't put yourself in that position.

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The outbuilding sounds pretty primitive. I’d have a hard time justifying charging for that space. Question for OP: Has your family ever rented out the outbuilding? Is it a space that you could expect to list on Craigslist or AirBNB and charge a stranger for? If you would feel that it’s too spartan to rent to a stranger, there’s your answer.

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OP, I don’t know about real estate law in the jurisdiction you’re talking about, but in MD, your out building wouldn’t qualify as a legal bedroom and you wouldn’t be able to rent it as a bedroom. I don’t know that $333/month is a “nominal” rental fee for a shed. What do sheds rent for in that community? You’re taken aback that anyone would think they could stay in your family beach house the whole summer for free, but this kid wasn’t going to be staying in the house; he was going to be staying in a shed so that your son could enjoy his companionship. Your son and his friend would each have been doing the other a favor.

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Whatever anyone thinks about the shed/carriage house is irrelevant. It’s a distraction. The important part is that the boy’s family was not on the same page about the house as OP. That means it’s a bad arrangement and they should part ways.

Everything else is noise.

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If staying in an AC outbuilding that her family also stays in doesn't work to the friend then the whole thing doesn’t work. It doesn’t matter what a lease says or whether he pays or not. It’s already not working and the OP has made her decision.

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Whatever anyone thinks about the shed/carriage house is irrelevant. It’s a distraction. The important part is that the boy’s family was not on the same page about the house as OP. That means it’s a bad arrangement and they should part ways.

Everything else is noise.

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Whatever anyone thinks about the shed/carriage house is irrelevant. It’s a distraction. The important part is that the boy’s family was not on the same page about the house as OP. That means it’s a bad arrangement and they should part ways.

Everything else is noise.

This, but it really does seem like there was some poor form on the part of OP's son, who extended the invite, which wasn't an invite at all, but instead an offer to enter into a transaction.

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They can't rent it out going by the North Carolina Landlord-Tenant laws. That room would have to have a working smoke detector, and the shed would have to comply with current building and housing codes. They also have to install at least one carbon monoxide detector prior to a tenancy, and would have to be inspected, and in good repair.

Also, they would need to notify their insurance among other things. If something happened and the boy ended up suing the insurance could deny the claim because of non-disclosure. Whereas if a guest was injured your homeowners policy would protect the client.

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Who invited this friend? Your DS? Why didn't he run it by you prior to inviting the friend?