Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lesson I learned from this crash. Both parents should not get on same helicopter if there are kids left home.

Reminds me of Ebersol crashing with his sons in 2000's

I agree although the other families’ heartbreak is not less due to losing “only” one parent/sibling. But yes two children were orphaned yesterday.

And they probably found out from Twitter. Disgraceful!

That's the part that gets me. How awful for them to find out from the news that the celebrity athlete their loved one was on a helicopter with had just died in a copter crash!

this is the part that gets you? not a sport legend dying with his favorite child? not a couple dying with their kids? not a child with her mom? not kids who lost their mom? the part that gets you is that they didn't learn about it the proper way, in a tastefully designed envelope. perhaps they should have had a "death reveal party" before the public was informed.

Don’t be daft, pp. It’s obviously all terrible. But imagine learning about the death of your loved one on the news. Not cool.

Having said that, flying with a celebrity on his private chopper comes with risks. Hindsight being 20/20, we now know that the media will share the news immediately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lesson I learned from this crash. Both parents should not get on same helicopter if there are kids left home.

Reminds me of Ebersol crashing with his sons in 2000's

I agree although the other families’ heartbreak is not less due to losing “only” one parent/sibling. But yes two children were orphaned yesterday.

And they probably found out from Twitter. Disgraceful!

That's the part that gets me. How awful for them to find out from the news that the celebrity athlete their loved one was on a helicopter with had just died in a copter crash!

this is the part that gets you? not a sport legend dying with his favorite child? not a couple dying with their kids? not a child with her mom? not kids who lost their mom? the part that gets you is that they didn't learn about it the proper way, in a tastefully designed envelope. perhaps they should have had a "death reveal party" before the public was informed.

His favorite child? Niiiiiice....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Time for some regulation on Social "Media". We are apparently losing all human decency. People's tragic deaths are a scoop and celebrities and public figures rush in a frenzy to publicize their condolences and grief.

What kind of regulation are you talking about? Like a legal regulation? Because that would be unconstitutional. Or more like a Facebook rule? That sounds unlikely, as the news would inevitably get out anyway.

No it would not be unconstitutional. Freedom of speech is not absolute and we already have plenty of restrictions based on the harm principle. We should treat victims and loved ones of such tragedies with dignity. No news outlet should release names of victims until they have been released by the appropriate authorities. It's that simple.

I don't think this is the type of harm that warrants invoking the harm principle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Time for some regulation on Social "Media". We are apparently losing all human decency. People's tragic deaths are a scoop and celebrities and public figures rush in a frenzy to publicize their condolences and grief.

What kind of regulation are you talking about? Like a legal regulation? Because that would be unconstitutional. Or more like a Facebook rule? That sounds unlikely, as the news would inevitably get out anyway.

No it would not be unconstitutional. Freedom of speech is not absolute and we already have plenty of restrictions based on the harm principle. We should treat victims and loved ones of such tragedies with dignity. No news outlet should release names of victims until they have been released by the appropriate authorities. It's that simple.

I agree. And there should be a substantial fine. If a non news person wants to leak it on personal social media, harder to enforce, but at least get the companies to comply.

Neither of you have any idea what you are talking about. These suggestions are grossly unconstitutional.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lesson I learned from this crash. Both parents should not get on same helicopter if there are kids left home.

Reminds me of Ebersol crashing with his sons in 2000's

I agree although the other families’ heartbreak is not less due to losing “only” one parent/sibling. But yes two children were orphaned yesterday.

And they probably found out from Twitter. Disgraceful!

That's the part that gets me. How awful for them to find out from the news that the celebrity athlete their loved one was on a helicopter with had just died in a copter crash!

this is the part that gets you? not a sport legend dying with his favorite child? not a couple dying with their kids? not a child with her mom? not kids who lost their mom? the part that gets you is that they didn't learn about it the proper way, in a tastefully designed envelope. perhaps they should have had a "death reveal party" before the public was informed.

Don’t be daft, pp. It’s obviously all terrible. But imagine learning about the death of your loved one on the news. Not cool.

Having said that, flying with a celebrity on his private chopper comes with risks. Hindsight being 20/20, we now know that the media will share the news immediately.

yeah it’s all terrible like a person having a metastatic cancer and also a broken nail. nobody wants a broken nail but it’s a really minor thing in comparison yet somehow the focus of the DCUM discussion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lesson I learned from this crash. Both parents should not get on same helicopter if there are kids left home.

Reminds me of Ebersol crashing with his sons in 2000's

I agree although the other families’ heartbreak is not less due to losing “only” one parent/sibling. But yes two children were orphaned yesterday.

And they probably found out from Twitter. Disgraceful!

That's the part that gets me. How awful for them to find out from the news that the celebrity athlete their loved one was on a helicopter with had just died in a copter crash!

this is the part that gets you? not a sport legend dying with his favorite child? not a couple dying with their kids? not a child with her mom? not kids who lost their mom? the part that gets you is that they didn't learn about it the proper way, in a tastefully designed envelope. perhaps they should have had a "death reveal party" before the public was informed.

Don’t be daft, pp. It’s obviously all terrible. But imagine learning about the death of your loved one on the news. Not cool.

Having said that, flying with a celebrity on his private chopper comes with risks. Hindsight being 20/20, we now know that the media will share the news immediately.

yeah it’s all terrible like a person having a metastatic cancer and also a broken nail. nobody wants a broken nail but it’s a really minor thing in comparison yet somehow the focus of the DCUM discussion.

You are really dense. Breaking such tragic news requires particular care because the reaction can be extreme. I had a relative experience the death of a teenage child, and the mother had to be sedated almost immediately, the pain is too much to bear.

[Anonymous]

You crazies are suggesting censoring the media until they get some sort of signal from LEO that families have you been notified before reporting news. Sounds like a great way for LEO to hide info when they’ve botched things (which we know happens frequently). Also a great way to get this nanny state on a roll. Listen, it is terribly sad for someone to find out about a death from the media, but this was also a freak accident and the the news being exploited is just a residual effect of hanging out with a celebrity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:One of the challenges with privacy is that there are live flight trackers. The instant the crash happened, there were pics of smoke on Twitter and also people who had been watching flight trackers were quickly able to see that a crash had happened. The flight tracker sites provide information on the model of aircraft, the tail number, the registered owner, and a lot of other information.

The registered owner was Island Express Holding Corp and the tail number is N72EX. There are flight enthusiasts who knew immediately that this was Kobe's helicopter. They wouldn't have had any idea if he was on it but they have all the information about the flight and that his helicopter crashed. This is public information on public sites.

Here is an example of a flight tracker page for this flight
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N72EX/history/20200126/1708Z/tracklog

The linked registration page on that site
https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N72EX

So speculation about Kobe being on the helicopter would have started within minutes of the crash.

This appears to be how word spread. News of a helicopter crash in LA. People checked the flight tracker, saw the flight path, googled the tail # and found pictures of Kobe standing beside the copter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lesson I learned from this crash. Both parents should not get on same helicopter if there are kids left home.

Reminds me of Ebersol crashing with his sons in 2000's

I agree although the other families’ heartbreak is not less due to losing “only” one parent/sibling. But yes two children were orphaned yesterday.

And they probably found out from Twitter. Disgraceful!

That's the part that gets me. How awful for them to find out from the news that the celebrity athlete their loved one was on a helicopter with had just died in a copter crash!

this is the part that gets you? not a sport legend dying with his favorite child? not a couple dying with their kids? not a child with her mom? not kids who lost their mom? the part that gets you is that they didn't learn about it the proper way, in a tastefully designed envelope. perhaps they should have had a "death reveal party" before the public was informed.

Realistically this is not publically urgent news. Please don't pretend that this effects anyone in the public more than the families of all on board. It's very sad that we feel entitled to this information ASAP when families may not know. This isn't a matter of natuo security. It's tragic and sad, and it's macabre to feel like we have a right to the news before the families whose reality has been shattered.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lesson I learned from this crash. Both parents should not get on same helicopter if there are kids left home.

Reminds me of Ebersol crashing with his sons in 2000's

I agree although the other families’ heartbreak is not less due to losing “only” one parent/sibling. But yes two children were orphaned yesterday.

And they probably found out from Twitter. Disgraceful!

That's the part that gets me. How awful for them to find out from the news that the celebrity athlete their loved one was on a helicopter with had just died in a copter crash!

this is the part that gets you? not a sport legend dying with his favorite child? not a couple dying with their kids? not a child with her mom? not kids who lost their mom? the part that gets you is that they didn't learn about it the proper way, in a tastefully designed envelope. perhaps they should have had a "death reveal party" before the public was informed.

Realistically this is not publically urgent news. Please don't pretend that this effects anyone in the public more than the families of all on board. It's very sad that we feel entitled to this information ASAP when families may not know. This isn't a matter of natuo security. It's tragic and sad, and it's macabre to feel like we have a right to the news before the families whose reality has been shattered.

Wow, you really need a refresher course on the first amendment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is just tragic. I am not a basketball fan but deeply saddened for the families.

I’m wondering if we need more regulations on recreational helicopter use. Six passengers died just last month in the Hawaii crash. I don’t have the answers but I wouldn’t be going up in one.

Yes, my husband has expressed an interest in taking helicopter tours on vacation and I’ve told him he will not get me in one of those nor do I want him taking our kids. I agree it’s still unlikely to crash but it’s a risk I don’t need to take.

How do you get to your vacation destination... Do you drive? Lotta folks die in automobile accidents every day. Do you fly? One could just as easily say getting on a Boeing 737 is a risk you don't need to take either.

Depending on how you measure it, helicopters may be 27 times more dangerous than driving - or 85 times. Comparing the rates is tricky.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2011/06/are-helicopters-safer-than-cars.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lesson I learned from this crash. Both parents should not get on same helicopter if there are kids left home.

Reminds me of Ebersol crashing with his sons in 2000's

I agree although the other families’ heartbreak is not less due to losing “only” one parent/sibling. But yes two children were orphaned yesterday.

And they probably found out from Twitter. Disgraceful!

That's the part that gets me. How awful for them to find out from the news that the celebrity athlete their loved one was on a helicopter with had just died in a copter crash!

this is the part that gets you? not a sport legend dying with his favorite child? not a couple dying with their kids? not a child with her mom? not kids who lost their mom? the part that gets you is that they didn't learn about it the proper way, in a tastefully designed envelope. perhaps they should have had a "death reveal party" before the public was informed.

Realistically this is not publically urgent news. Please don't pretend that this effects anyone in the public more than the families of all on board. It's very sad that we feel entitled to this information ASAP when families may not know. This isn't a matter of natuo security. It's tragic and sad, and it's macabre to feel like we have a right to the news before the families whose reality has been shattered.

Wow, you really need a refresher course on the first amendment.

I did not, one time, say it should be illegal. I said it's a sad commentary on the our entitlement to celebrity lives. And what we value as more important. We love tragedy porn., I'm not immune. I at least don't pretend I'm doing the work of the ACLU to keep from feeling gross about the voyeuristic nature of celebrity tragedies

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lesson I learned from this crash. Both parents should not get on same helicopter if there are kids left home.

Reminds me of Ebersol crashing with his sons in 2000's

I agree although the other families’ heartbreak is not less due to losing “only” one parent/sibling. But yes two children were orphaned yesterday.

And they probably found out from Twitter. Disgraceful!

That's the part that gets me. How awful for them to find out from the news that the celebrity athlete their loved one was on a helicopter with had just died in a copter crash!

this is the part that gets you? not a sport legend dying with his favorite child? not a couple dying with their kids? not a child with her mom? not kids who lost their mom? the part that gets you is that they didn't learn about it the proper way, in a tastefully designed envelope. perhaps they should have had a "death reveal party" before the public was informed.

Realistically this is not publically urgent news. Please don't pretend that this effects anyone in the public more than the families of all on board. It's very sad that we feel entitled to this information ASAP when families may not know. This isn't a matter of natuo security. It's tragic and sad, and it's macabre to feel like we have a right to the news before the families whose reality has been shattered.

Wow, you really need a refresher course on the first amendment.

I suppose a cadre of lawyers and the Supreme court judges must need one too because they seem to hear these cases all the time, and have already posed some limitations.

[Anonymous]

What is wrong with you two? Do you bicker back and forth like children in real life? So annoying when people ruin threads and take them way off topic to have a bickerfest with some poster they disagree with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is wrong with you two? Do you bicker back and forth like children in real life? So annoying when people ruin threads and take them way off topic to have a bickerfest with some poster they disagree with.

+1

Please take first amendment discussion elsewhere.