Warren now the most likely nominee according to some betting markets

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Yikes. I really don't want Warren to be the nominee because I'll have to spend the next year lying to my family and friends, saying that I'll vote for her when I definitely will not.


Or you could have the courage of your convictions and tell the truth??? Just a thought...

I would certainly never tell my family I’m voting for Trump. And there are some Trumpkins nutsos in my family.
Anonymous
In all seriousness, how would she address offshore tax havens and all those writeoffs that the megarich use? Example Epstein.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness, how would she address offshore tax havens and all those writeoffs that the megarich use? Example Epstein.


Like a Harvard Professor: despite whatever noise she makes, she’ll support $$$ in the end.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness, how would she address offshore tax havens and all those writeoffs that the megarich use? Example Epstein.


Like a Harvard Professor: despite whatever noise she makes, she’ll support $$$ in the end.


Why would she? She never has before and her campaign relies on small dollar contributions, not contributions from corporations. Why would she be beholden to them if they gave her nothing?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness, how would she address offshore tax havens and all those writeoffs that the megarich use? Example Epstein.


Like a Harvard Professor: despite whatever noise she makes, she’ll support $$$ in the end.


Why would she? She never has before and her campaign relies on small dollar contributions, not contributions from corporations. Why would she be beholden to them if they gave her nothing?

+1

PP with the policy questions: https://elizabethwarren.com/
Anonymous
I think her tax ideas are admirable and morally correct.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness, how would she address offshore tax havens and all those writeoffs that the megarich use? Example Epstein.


She won't.

She will just use them as the excuse to raise taxes, substantially, on the middle and middle upper class. That's where the easy-to-tax salary money is.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She’s phenomenal. Her politics are too progressive for my taste. But she was interviewed on NPR yesterday. And it reminded me how good she is. She did a great job in the debates. But they were too fragmented between 10 people to realize just how relatable she is.

She was asked on NPR about a time she failed. And she talked about “having it all”— two kids, and a nice house to run and a job as a law school professor. But she felt like she was failing her kids and failing her job, because she couldn’t do it all well. And untimely her aunt moved in and helped. And I was like— this woman gets it. I have had small kids and felt like nothing I did at work or at home was up to par. And she can articulate it in an manner that is relatable.

She talked about her dad having a heart attack, and he Mom entering the workforce in a minimum wage job at 50, and it being enough to keep her family afloat. And I remember my mom getting divorced, and child support being uncertain, but we owned a small house and never went without on her teachers salary.

She was also asked about her wardrobe, with is a black top, and black pants and a jewel covered blazer (I’d never noticed this). And she was like— it takes me 4 minutes to get ready in the morning, it doesn’t stain, and It’s one less thing to think about.

If Biden “gets” middle aged white men in the rust belt, Warren “gets” working moms and women in general. And only 33% of women support Trump. Someone who can speak to women in a relatable way could do an amazing job. She also seems to get economic populism in a way most Ds don’t.

I’m more of a Harris or Klobucher voter on policy. But when I hear Warren talk, she could be one of my friends, and I would love to get a beer with her. And I might not agree with everything she says, but it seems well thought out.

Go Liz!


When you say she's too progressive for your taste, what you mean is you are too selfish for her vision.


No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.


OMG I completely get you! I am with you. I love many things about Warren, but agree totally with what you are saying.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She’s phenomenal. Her politics are too progressive for my taste. But she was interviewed on NPR yesterday. And it reminded me how good she is. She did a great job in the debates. But they were too fragmented between 10 people to realize just how relatable she is.

She was asked on NPR about a time she failed. And she talked about “having it all”— two kids, and a nice house to run and a job as a law school professor. But she felt like she was failing her kids and failing her job, because she couldn’t do it all well. And untimely her aunt moved in and helped. And I was like— this woman gets it. I have had small kids and felt like nothing I did at work or at home was up to par. And she can articulate it in an manner that is relatable.

She talked about her dad having a heart attack, and he Mom entering the workforce in a minimum wage job at 50, and it being enough to keep her family afloat. And I remember my mom getting divorced, and child support being uncertain, but we owned a small house and never went without on her teachers salary.

She was also asked about her wardrobe, with is a black top, and black pants and a jewel covered blazer (I’d never noticed this). And she was like— it takes me 4 minutes to get ready in the morning, it doesn’t stain, and It’s one less thing to think about.

If Biden “gets” middle aged white men in the rust belt, Warren “gets” working moms and women in general. And only 33% of women support Trump. Someone who can speak to women in a relatable way could do an amazing job. She also seems to get economic populism in a way most Ds don’t.

I’m more of a Harris or Klobucher voter on policy. But when I hear Warren talk, she could be one of my friends, and I would love to get a beer with her. And I might not agree with everything she says, but it seems well thought out.

Go Liz!


When you say she's too progressive for your taste, what you mean is you are too selfish for her vision.


No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.


OMG I completely get you! I am with you. I love many things about Warren, but agree totally with what you are saying.

Go back and read the posts replying to the one you just replied to. People... excoriated her.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness, how would she address offshore tax havens and all those writeoffs that the megarich use? Example Epstein.


She won't.

She will just use them as the excuse to raise taxes, substantially, on the middle and middle upper class. That's where the easy-to-tax salary money is.

Just once I would like gop voters to quit lying. Just once.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness, how would she address offshore tax havens and all those writeoffs that the megarich use? Example Epstein.


Like a Harvard Professor: despite whatever noise she makes, she’ll support $$$ in the end.


Why would she? She never has before and her campaign relies on small dollar contributions, not contributions from corporations. Why would she be beholden to them if they gave her nothing?


Her actual history is *much more* mixed than her propaganda.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness, how would she address offshore tax havens and all those writeoffs that the megarich use? Example Epstein.


Like a Harvard Professor: despite whatever noise she makes, she’ll support $$$ in the end.


Why would she? She never has before and her campaign relies on small dollar contributions, not contributions from corporations. Why would she be beholden to them if they gave her nothing?


Her actual history is *much more* mixed than her propaganda.


Again, why would she turn around and support corporations at this point? Who is she "beholden" to? Which industries are financing her campaign?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness, how would she address offshore tax havens and all those writeoffs that the megarich use? Example Epstein.


She won't.

She will just use them as the excuse to raise taxes, substantially, on the middle and middle upper class. That's where the easy-to-tax salary money is.

Just once I would like gop voters to quit lying. Just once.


They don't know how. They don't understand truth. Or morals.

Anonymous
More great news for Warren.
“But after months of steady progress, Warren boasts formidable strengths of her own. She leads Biden by roughly two-to-one among liberals and Democrats under 35, breaks even among whites, and holds a double-digit edge among those seeking large-scale change in the post-Trump era. That last group represents a majority of the Democratic electorate.
Moreover, Warren now holds a clear edge in enthusiasm. Fully 70% of Democratic primary voters describe themselves as enthusiastic or comfortable about her candidacy, more than for either Biden or Sanders.”
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/09/17/biden-warren-lead-in-latest-nbcwsj-2020-democratic-poll.html?__twitter_impression=true

I’m one of those people seeking large scale change. She just keeps showing up, prepared, aware, awesome and with a plan for everything.
Anonymous
She has to lie about her crowds


She stated 15,000 at a rally recently and evidence shows only about 1590 showed up. Meanwhile in a blue state of NM Trump numbers are 45k tickets, 94% in state purchases, 78% of registrants matched voter files, 20% voted in one or less of the last four elections, 52% female 48% female (sorry not sorry liberals, only two genders so....) 40% LATINO and 31% registered Democrats.

These numbers are staggering and it shows Trump's support gaining. After fake Russia stories, Kavanaugh BS, fake dossiers and now things like McCabe possibly being charged it's only going to get better for him.

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