Warren now the most likely nominee according to some betting markets

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Anonymous wrote:If Warren rescinds the Trump tax “cut,” I will get my taxes cut because Trump increased taxes on me, an upper-middle class person. I don’t actually mind my taxes going up as long as I am paying for something real other than tax cuts for billionaires.

And, millions of us in the middle class will see our taxes increase.
Glad you don't mind. Good for you.
Millions of us don't have this opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness, how would she address offshore tax havens and all those writeoffs that the megarich use? Example Epstein.

She won't.

She will just use them as the excuse to raise taxes, substantially, on the middle and middle upper class. That's where the easy-to-tax salary money is.

of course

She won’t. Unless you make over $50 mill a year; that’s not really the upper middle class though.

LOL. Sure.

+1 she supports Bernies healthcare plan taxes are going to go up for everyone on here

If you are making under 50k I don't see a reason not to support Warner if you are making over 50k aka almost everyone on here I don't see a reason to support her. It's going to be just like Obamacare the 50k point is the tipping point between free and having to pay.

You are advertising the fact that you haven’t actually looked at her policies and don’t know what you’re talking about. She does not support Bernie’s pan, she doesn’t not aupoygetting rid of private security and she has built her platform on helping the middle class. You, on the other ha d, are arguing in bad faith because you fear her.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

This is right on the money (no pun intended). There are lots of us that likely agree with the progressive dems on lots of issues, but we don’t want to be their ATM.

What you aren't factoring in to your personal equation is the money you wouldn't be spending on a number of services because they would be part of your taxes instead of additional line items on your personal budget.

For Gen X, which ones?

Not college loans. Paid off.
Not childcare. Kids are too old
Not paid family leave. Again— kids too old.
Not college. Kid 1 will be out and Kid 2 will be done or close
Not healthcare. I’m not going to come out better than Fed health insurance. And I will hit Medicare soon anyway.

Boomers are in retirement and paying less in taxes. It’s a wealth shift from Gen X to Millennials.

This!!!!!!!!!! It is sickening.

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Anonymous wrote:In all seriousness, how would she address offshore tax havens and all those writeoffs that the megarich use? Example Epstein.

She won't.

She will just use them as the excuse to raise taxes, substantially, on the middle and middle upper class. That's where the easy-to-tax salary money is.

of course

She won’t. Unless you make over $50 mill a year; that’s not really the upper middle class though.

LOL. Sure.

+1 she supports Bernies healthcare plan taxes are going to go up for everyone on here

If you are making under 50k I don't see a reason not to support Warner if you are making over 50k aka almost everyone on here I don't see a reason to support her. It's going to be just like Obamacare the 50k point is the tipping point between free and having to pay.

You are advertising the fact that you haven’t actually looked at her policies and don’t know what you’re talking about. She does not support Bernie’s pan, she doesn’t not aupoygetting rid of private security and she has built her platform on helping the middle class. You, on the other ha d, are arguing in bad faith because you fear her.

lol the real fact is she actually has no health plan. When pressed she has stated she supports Bernies plan and punting on any details at all especially how to pay for it

She also pulls a Harris and says it will do everything everyone wants lol

For a candidate who prides herself on detailed proposals it is telling the lack of plan from her on healthcare. She knows all the outcomes are bad aka tax increase for most folks etc at least Bernie is honest about it.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s phenomenal. Her politics are too progressive for my taste. But she was interviewed on NPR yesterday. And it reminded me how good she is. She did a great job in the debates. But they were too fragmented between 10 people to realize just how relatable she is.

She was asked on NPR about a time she failed. And she talked about “having it all”— two kids, and a nice house to run and a job as a law school professor. But she felt like she was failing her kids and failing her job, because she couldn’t do it all well. And untimely her aunt moved in and helped. And I was like— this woman gets it. I have had small kids and felt like nothing I did at work or at home was up to par. And she can articulate it in an manner that is relatable.

She talked about her dad having a heart attack, and he Mom entering the workforce in a minimum wage job at 50, and it being enough to keep her family afloat. And I remember my mom getting divorced, and child support being uncertain, but we owned a small house and never went without on her teachers salary.

She was also asked about her wardrobe, with is a black top, and black pants and a jewel covered blazer (I’d never noticed this). And she was like— it takes me 4 minutes to get ready in the morning, it doesn’t stain, and It’s one less thing to think about.

If Biden “gets” middle aged white men in the rust belt, Warren “gets” working moms and women in general. And only 33% of women support Trump. Someone who can speak to women in a relatable way could do an amazing job. She also seems to get economic populism in a way most Ds don’t.

I’m more of a Harris or Klobucher voter on policy. But when I hear Warren talk, she could be one of my friends, and I would love to get a beer with her. And I might not agree with everything she says, but it seems well thought out.

Go Liz!

When you say she's too progressive for your taste, what you mean is you are too selfish for her vision.

No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

OMG I completely get you! I am with you. I love many things about Warren, but agree totally with what you are saying.

Go back and read the posts replying to the one you just replied to. People... excoriated her.

And other people like me and PP support her. Why should we be taxed to the point of breaking...of having to sell our homes? You know that's what is will come down to, right? People who bought their homes making a set amount of $ are going to have to sell because after paying tens of thousands more in taxes, they won't be able to afford their mortgages.

Crash the real estate market, the market, the economy. That will effect everyone. Literally. Every. One. Did any of you even take an economics class? Did you even go to college?

There are a lot of selfish a holes on this thread and it's not the responsible PPs or me who worked hard and scrimped and saved for what we have, it's those of you who mishandled your own lives and now you want us to pay dearly for your mistakes.

I hate Trump. Despise him. but Trump by a landslide if Warren is the nominee.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

This is right on the money (no pun intended). There are lots of us that likely agree with the progressive dems on lots of issues, but we don’t want to be their ATM.

What you aren't factoring in to your personal equation is the money you wouldn't be spending on a number of services because they would be part of your taxes instead of additional line items on your personal budget.

For Gen X, which ones?

Not college loans. Paid off.
Not childcare. Kids are too old
Not paid family leave. Again— kids too old.
Not college. Kid 1 will be out and Kid 2 will be done or close
Not healthcare. I’m not going to come out better than Fed health insurance. And I will hit Medicare soon anyway.

Boomers are in retirement and paying less in taxes. It’s a wealth shift from Gen X to Millennials.

This!!!!!!!!!! It is sickening.

it's actually a wealth transfer from responsible people to people who can't plan and live beyond their means but hey that's the democratic party for you. Anything to buy votes personal responsibility be damned

signed millennial who actually picked an affordable college majored in something that would actually pay waited on kids until we could afford it. Picked a part of the country where we could afford decent housing and childcare costs. We are also saving for college I guess we should stop doing that. And for healthcare for anyone with a decent job healthcare comes from your employer and if you make over 50k guess what costs are going up and coverage quality is going to go down if the ds have their way.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

This is right on the money (no pun intended). There are lots of us that likely agree with the progressive dems on lots of issues, but we don’t want to be their ATM.

What you aren't factoring in to your personal equation is the money you wouldn't be spending on a number of services because they would be part of your taxes instead of additional line items on your personal budget.

For Gen X, which ones?

Not college loans. Paid off.
Not childcare. Kids are too old
Not paid family leave. Again— kids too old.
Not college. Kid 1 will be out and Kid 2 will be done or close
Not healthcare. I’m not going to come out better than Fed health insurance. And I will hit Medicare soon anyway.

Boomers are in retirement and paying less in taxes. It’s a wealth shift from Gen X to Millennials.

This!!!!!!!!!! It is sickening.

Not all Gen-Xers had teen pregnancies. Childcare and college is a big concern for many of us who waited to have kids until their 30s+.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

This is right on the money (no pun intended). There are lots of us that likely agree with the progressive dems on lots of issues, but we don’t want to be their ATM.

What you aren't factoring in to your personal equation is the money you wouldn't be spending on a number of services because they would be part of your taxes instead of additional line items on your personal budget.

For Gen X, which ones?

Not college loans. Paid off.
Not childcare. Kids are too old
Not paid family leave. Again— kids too old.
Not college. Kid 1 will be out and Kid 2 will be done or close
Not healthcare. I’m not going to come out better than Fed health insurance. And I will hit Medicare soon anyway.

Boomers are in retirement and paying less in taxes. It’s a wealth shift from Gen X to Millennials.

This!!!!!!!!!! It is sickening.

Not all Gen-Xers had teen pregnancies. Childcare and college is a big concern for many of us who waited to have kids until their 30s+.

I'm Gen X and still paying off my student loans. I hope I don't need help paying them off - I'm down to just under $34k now - but I would never in a million years wish for coming generations to be saddled with the same financial stress I've had from these loans, which have been with me for going on 20 years now. Ask me why I'm so far behind saving for retirement.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

This is right on the money (no pun intended). There are lots of us that likely agree with the progressive dems on lots of issues, but we don’t want to be their ATM.

What you aren't factoring in to your personal equation is the money you wouldn't be spending on a number of services because they would be part of your taxes instead of additional line items on your personal budget.

For Gen X, which ones?

Not college loans. Paid off.
Not childcare. Kids are too old
Not paid family leave. Again— kids too old.
Not college. Kid 1 will be out and Kid 2 will be done or close
Not healthcare. I’m not going to come out better than Fed health insurance. And I will hit Medicare soon anyway.

Boomers are in retirement and paying less in taxes. It’s a wealth shift from Gen X to Millennials.

This!!!!!!!!!! It is sickening.

it's actually a wealth transfer from responsible people to people who can't plan and live beyond their means but hey that's the democratic party for you. Anything to buy votes personal responsibility be damned

signed millennial who actually picked an affordable college majored in something that would actually pay waited on kids until we could afford it. Picked a part of the country where we could afford decent housing and childcare costs. We are also saving for college I guess we should stop doing that. And for healthcare for anyone with a decent job healthcare comes from your employer and if you make over 50k guess what costs are going up and coverage quality is going to go down if the ds have their way.

Yes. This. All day long. I lived the same responsible life, scrimped and saved and did without to have what little we have. And now the Ds want to.take what we rightfully earned away and give it to those who mishandled their lives and live beyond their means to project a certain image.

Another PP hit the nail on the head. Warren's ...and other D's...proposed taxes with hit those with salaries the hardest. That's the easiest money to tax. The salaries. The non wealthy...That is the middle class for you ignorant people dreaming of free stuff.

The rich know how to hide their money. The rich D's on this thread aren't sweating because they know how to shelter their money and they have the means to do it. The middle class be be taxed into nonexistence. And if you don't think the middle class sees this...you are dead wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

This is right on the money (no pun intended). There are lots of us that likely agree with the progressive dems on lots of issues, but we don’t want to be their ATM.

What you aren't factoring in to your personal equation is the money you wouldn't be spending on a number of services because they would be part of your taxes instead of additional line items on your personal budget.

For Gen X, which ones?

Not college loans. Paid off.
Not childcare. Kids are too old
Not paid family leave. Again— kids too old.
Not college. Kid 1 will be out and Kid 2 will be done or close
Not healthcare. I’m not going to come out better than Fed health insurance. And I will hit Medicare soon anyway.

Boomers are in retirement and paying less in taxes. It’s a wealth shift from Gen X to Millennials.

This!!!!!!!!!! It is sickening.

Not all Gen-Xers had teen pregnancies. Childcare and college is a big concern for many of us who waited to have kids until their 30s+.

Oh FFS. I’m Gen X (1974). I had my children in 2002 and 2004 (when I was 28 and 30). At the time of the 2020 election, Kid1 will be a college freshman and Kid 2 a HS junior. Childcare issues are long gone, and any college fix would not help DC1. It’s unlikely to help DC2 in time.

28-30 is not teen pregnancies.

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Anonymous wrote:If Warren rescinds the Trump tax “cut,” I will get my taxes cut because Trump increased taxes on me, an upper-middle class person. I don’t actually mind my taxes going up as long as I am paying for something real other than tax cuts for billionaires.

And, millions of us in the middle class will see our taxes increase.
Glad you don't mind. Good for you.
Millions of us don't have this opinion.

That’s fine. You can donate and volunteer for your candidate and vote, and so can I.

Isn’t America beautiful?

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Anonymous wrote:No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

This is right on the money (no pun intended). There are lots of us that likely agree with the progressive dems on lots of issues, but we don’t want to be their ATM.

What you aren't factoring in to your personal equation is the money you wouldn't be spending on a number of services because they would be part of your taxes instead of additional line items on your personal budget.

For Gen X, which ones?

Not college loans. Paid off.
Not childcare. Kids are too old
Not paid family leave. Again— kids too old.
Not college. Kid 1 will be out and Kid 2 will be done or close
Not healthcare. I’m not going to come out better than Fed health insurance. And I will hit Medicare soon anyway.

Boomers are in retirement and paying less in taxes. It’s a wealth shift from Gen X to Millennials.

This!!!!!!!!!! It is sickening.

it's actually a wealth transfer from responsible people to people who can't plan and live beyond their means but hey that's the democratic party for you. Anything to buy votes personal responsibility be damned

signed millennial who actually picked an affordable college majored in something that would actually pay waited on kids until we could afford it. Picked a part of the country where we could afford decent housing and childcare costs. We are also saving for college I guess we should stop doing that. And for healthcare for anyone with a decent job healthcare comes from your employer and if you make over 50k guess what costs are going up and coverage quality is going to go down if the ds have their way.

Yes. This. All day long. I lived the same responsible life, scrimped and saved and did without to have what little we have. And now the Ds want to.take what we rightfully earned away and give it to those who mishandled their lives and live beyond their means to project a certain image.

Another PP hit the nail on the head. Warren's ...and other D's...proposed taxes with hit those with salaries the hardest. That's the easiest money to tax. The salaries. The non wealthy...That is the middle class for you ignorant people dreaming of free stuff.

The rich know how to hide their money. The rich D's on this thread aren't sweating because they know how to shelter their money and they have the means to do it. The middle class be be taxed into nonexistence. And if you don't think the middle class sees this...you are dead wrong.

I am a “responsible” person too and I want middle class people to have access to college and healthcare, even if I end up paying more.

Why?

Because if I want my children to live in a dynamic and healthy society other people and their children need to have access to those things. I do not want to be a rich woman in a poor country- that’s the life my parents left. I would rather be a middle class person in a rich country.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s phenomenal. Her politics are too progressive for my taste. But she was interviewed on NPR yesterday. And it reminded me how good she is. She did a great job in the debates. But they were too fragmented between 10 people to realize just how relatable she is.

She was asked on NPR about a time she failed. And she talked about “having it all”— two kids, and a nice house to run and a job as a law school professor. But she felt like she was failing her kids and failing her job, because she couldn’t do it all well. And untimely her aunt moved in and helped. And I was like— this woman gets it. I have had small kids and felt like nothing I did at work or at home was up to par. And she can articulate it in an manner that is relatable.

She talked about her dad having a heart attack, and he Mom entering the workforce in a minimum wage job at 50, and it being enough to keep her family afloat. And I remember my mom getting divorced, and child support being uncertain, but we owned a small house and never went without on her teachers salary.

She was also asked about her wardrobe, with is a black top, and black pants and a jewel covered blazer (I’d never noticed this). And she was like— it takes me 4 minutes to get ready in the morning, it doesn’t stain, and It’s one less thing to think about.

If Biden “gets” middle aged white men in the rust belt, Warren “gets” working moms and women in general. And only 33% of women support Trump. Someone who can speak to women in a relatable way could do an amazing job. She also seems to get economic populism in a way most Ds don’t.

I’m more of a Harris or Klobucher voter on policy. But when I hear Warren talk, she could be one of my friends, and I would love to get a beer with her. And I might not agree with everything she says, but it seems well thought out.

Go Liz!

When you say she's too progressive for your taste, what you mean is you are too selfish for her vision.

No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

What informed your takeaway that under Warren's plan you'd pay $30K more in taxes? Genuine curiosity and a wish to be informed - no snark.

I freely admit I don’t have an exact number on taxes. But even she freely says I’ll pay more. I expect it to be disproportionately more, because a benefit of being a Fed is relatively affordable health care. Which is to say $800 a month and a $12,000 catastrophic max, which we hit every year, because family member with expensive chronic condition. And I will be paying in for many services I will not be able to use, like childcare and college tuition. So there is no offset.

do you have a link? video clip? platform piece from her website? of her saying this?

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Anonymous wrote:No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

This is right on the money (no pun intended). There are lots of us that likely agree with the progressive dems on lots of issues, but we don’t want to be their ATM.

What you aren't factoring in to your personal equation is the money you wouldn't be spending on a number of services because they would be part of your taxes instead of additional line items on your personal budget.

For Gen X, which ones?

Not college loans. Paid off.
Not childcare. Kids are too old
Not paid family leave. Again— kids too old.
Not college. Kid 1 will be out and Kid 2 will be done or close
Not healthcare. I’m not going to come out better than Fed health insurance. And I will hit Medicare soon anyway.

Boomers are in retirement and paying less in taxes. It’s a wealth shift from Gen X to Millennials.

This!!!!!!!!!! It is sickening.

it's actually a wealth transfer from responsible people to people who can't plan and live beyond their means but hey that's the democratic party for you. Anything to buy votes personal responsibility be damned

signed millennial who actually picked an affordable college majored in something that would actually pay waited on kids until we could afford it. Picked a part of the country where we could afford decent housing and childcare costs. We are also saving for college I guess we should stop doing that. And for healthcare for anyone with a decent job healthcare comes from your employer and if you make over 50k guess what costs are going up and coverage quality is going to go down if the ds have their way.

Yes. This. All day long. I lived the same responsible life, scrimped and saved and did without to have what little we have. And now the Ds want to.take what we rightfully earned away and give it to those who mishandled their lives and live beyond their means to project a certain image.

Another PP hit the nail on the head. Warren's ...and other D's...proposed taxes with hit those with salaries the hardest. That's the easiest money to tax. The salaries. The non wealthy...That is the middle class for you ignorant people dreaming of free stuff.

The rich know how to hide their money. The rich D's on this thread aren't sweating because they know how to shelter their money and they have the means to do it. The middle class be be taxed into nonexistence. And if you don't think the middle class sees this...you are dead wrong.

I am a “responsible” person too and I want middle class people to have access to college and healthcare, even if I end up paying more.

Why?

Because if I want my children to live in a dynamic and healthy society other people and their children need to have access to those things. I do not want to be a rich woman in a poor country- that’s the life my parents left. I would rather be a middle class person in a rich country.

If you get your way, there won't be a middle class left. You'll be a poor person in a rich country where the only wealth is concentrated among the elites.

Warren's taxes will come from middle class salaried workers. Middle middle to upper middle to a handful of upper class (those making 1,000,000 to 5,000,000). The truly wealthy (the Dems' fundraising base 5 mil plus) will never feel the pinch. Life will go on for them at the top of the heap.

Meanwhile, you'll have middle class workers seeing much less in their checks. As a result omes being foreclosed upon because they can no longer afford the mortgage, senior citizens will lose the equity in their homes, nest eggs will disappear, the housing market will tank. People hoarding what money they have and refusing to invest for fear of more taxes. The stock market will tank.

The easiest taxes to get are the ones that come out of the the paycheck. Those with salaries and hourlies who make too much an hour.

I hope your virtue signaling is enough to keep you warm at night when it all goes belly up. Hard to believe how stupid, selfish and short sided liberals are.

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Anonymous wrote:She’s phenomenal. Her politics are too progressive for my taste. But she was interviewed on NPR yesterday. And it reminded me how good she is. She did a great job in the debates. But they were too fragmented between 10 people to realize just how relatable she is.

She was asked on NPR about a time she failed. And she talked about “having it all”— two kids, and a nice house to run and a job as a law school professor. But she felt like she was failing her kids and failing her job, because she couldn’t do it all well. And untimely her aunt moved in and helped. And I was like— this woman gets it. I have had small kids and felt like nothing I did at work or at home was up to par. And she can articulate it in an manner that is relatable.

She talked about her dad having a heart attack, and he Mom entering the workforce in a minimum wage job at 50, and it being enough to keep her family afloat. And I remember my mom getting divorced, and child support being uncertain, but we owned a small house and never went without on her teachers salary.

She was also asked about her wardrobe, with is a black top, and black pants and a jewel covered blazer (I’d never noticed this). And she was like— it takes me 4 minutes to get ready in the morning, it doesn’t stain, and It’s one less thing to think about.

If Biden “gets” middle aged white men in the rust belt, Warren “gets” working moms and women in general. And only 33% of women support Trump. Someone who can speak to women in a relatable way could do an amazing job. She also seems to get economic populism in a way most Ds don’t.

I’m more of a Harris or Klobucher voter on policy. But when I hear Warren talk, she could be one of my friends, and I would love to get a beer with her. And I might not agree with everything she says, but it seems well thought out.

Go Liz!

When you say she's too progressive for your taste, what you mean is you are too selfish for her vision.

No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

OMG I completely get you! I am with you. I love many things about Warren, but agree totally with what you are saying.

Go back and read the posts replying to the one you just replied to. People... excoriated her.

And other people like me and PP support her. Why should we be taxed to the point of breaking...of having to sell our homes? You know that's what is will come down to, right? People who bought their homes making a set amount of $ are going to have to sell because after paying tens of thousands more in taxes, they won't be able to afford their mortgages.

Crash the real estate market, the market, the economy. That will effect everyone. Literally. Every. One. Did any of you even take an economics class? Did you even go to college?

There are a lot of selfish a holes on this thread and it's not the responsible PPs or me who worked hard and scrimped and saved for what we have, it's those of you who mishandled your own lives and now you want us to pay dearly for your mistakes.

I hate Trump. Despise him. but Trump by a landslide if Warren is the nominee.

You make $50 million a year? Because that’s who she’s talking about taxing.