Warren now the most likely nominee according to some betting markets

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Anonymous wrote:amy klobuchar would be a conservative in any other oecd country. supporting amy klobuchar means you are a closet republican who happens to like gay people.

...says the funny American who doesn't realize that Warren and Sanders would be communists in any other oecd country, way to the left of the mainstream socialdemocrat parties.

Bernie, sure, he has been an avowed socialist for decades. Warren is a democratic socialist, akin to European states where there is private ownership, but more invested through the government in terms of services. It seems to work well there, certainly better than our systems here are working.

Yes, it works better in some respects, but the real way they fund that amazing safety net is because everyone pays more taxes, through payroll and income and a huge VAT tax on consumption (think of it as a 25% sales tax on all goods and services).

Warren is misleading the public when claiming that everyone but the uberrich will pay the same -- most European countries have STOPPED charging wealth tax because it produced much less than expected and was very expensive to monitor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:amy klobuchar would be a conservative in any other oecd country. supporting amy klobuchar means you are a closet republican who happens to like gay people.

Then put me on that list.

If Warren makes it, i'm going third party. She's way too progressive. And she thinks money will fall down from the heavens.

no thanks

I think you are mistaking her for the GOP who literally cut taxes to benefit corporations and the uber-wealthy at the expense of everyone else.

+1

Warren might be far left on some issues, but I 100% support her because she has a vision for taking this country back from the rich and powerful and making it work for regular people.

She is exactly the type of candidate we need to lead our country. If some proposals turn into center-left legislation after going through Congress, that is fine with me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:amy klobuchar would be a conservative in any other oecd country. supporting amy klobuchar means you are a closet republican who happens to like gay people.

It’s cute when people equate Klobachur or Biden to Republicans. Would it make people like you feel better if people who support moderate Democrats became left wing Republicans? Because then there would only be between 30-50% Democrats left in the party and maybe 25% of independents. You need to get over your purity tests. You can’t win an election with just the Warren/Sanders electorate.

DP. I dunno, people keep equating Warren to a socialist or a Democratic socialist when she isn’t so... meh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:amy klobuchar would be a conservative in any other oecd country. supporting amy klobuchar means you are a closet republican who happens to like gay people.

Then put me on that list.

If Warren makes it, i'm going third party. She's way too progressive. And she thinks money will fall down from the heavens.

no thanks

I think you are mistaking her for the GOP who literally cut taxes to benefit corporations and the uber-wealthy at the expense of everyone else.

+1

Warren might be far left on some issues, but I 100% support her because she has a vision for taking this country back from the rich and powerful and making it work for regular people.

She is exactly the type of candidate we need to lead our country. If some proposals turn into center-left legislation after going through Congress, that is fine with me.

+2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She’s phenomenal. Her politics are too progressive for my taste. But she was interviewed on NPR yesterday. And it reminded me how good she is. She did a great job in the debates. But they were too fragmented between 10 people to realize just how relatable she is.

She was asked on NPR about a time she failed. And she talked about “having it all”— two kids, and a nice house to run and a job as a law school professor. But she felt like she was failing her kids and failing her job, because she couldn’t do it all well. And untimely her aunt moved in and helped. And I was like— this woman gets it. I have had small kids and felt like nothing I did at work or at home was up to par. And she can articulate it in an manner that is relatable.

She talked about her dad having a heart attack, and he Mom entering the workforce in a minimum wage job at 50, and it being enough to keep her family afloat. And I remember my mom getting divorced, and child support being uncertain, but we owned a small house and never went without on her teachers salary.

She was also asked about her wardrobe, with is a black top, and black pants and a jewel covered blazer (I’d never noticed this). And she was like— it takes me 4 minutes to get ready in the morning, it doesn’t stain, and It’s one less thing to think about.

If Biden “gets” middle aged white men in the rust belt, Warren “gets” working moms and women in general. And only 33% of women support Trump. Someone who can speak to women in a relatable way could do an amazing job. She also seems to get economic populism in a way most Ds don’t.

I’m more of a Harris or Klobucher voter on policy. But when I hear Warren talk, she could be one of my friends, and I would love to get a beer with her. And I might not agree with everything she says, but it seems well thought out.

Go Liz!

I absolutely loved when she talked about getting dressed in four minutes

it helps that she is lithe. if she was zaftig, it would be much longer than 4 minutes

She said she just has a uniform - black pants, black top, colorful cardigan or jacket - and chose it because it makes getting dressed so easy. I think that uniform would work for anyone?

if she was lumpy, she wouldn't be as efficient even with a standarized uniform. i love that liz is a great model for aging in a healthy fashion - something HRC was most definitely NOT

Warren also has the plus of being a political woman on her own merits, not that of a related powerful man (or men) like HRC (and Pelosi).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:amy klobuchar would be a conservative in any other oecd country. supporting amy klobuchar means you are a closet republican who happens to like gay people.

...says the funny American who doesn't realize that Warren and Sanders would be communists in any other oecd country, way to the left of the mainstream socialdemocrat parties.

So says Backwoods Bunker Bob!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:amy klobuchar would be a conservative in any other oecd country. supporting amy klobuchar means you are a closet republican who happens to like gay people.

Then put me on that list.

If Warren makes it, i'm going third party. She's way too progressive. And she thinks money will fall down from the heavens.

no thanks

I think you are mistaking her for the GOP who literally cut taxes to benefit corporations and the uber-wealthy at the expense of everyone else.

+1

Warren might be far left on some issues, but I 100% support her because she has a vision for taking this country back from the rich and powerful and making it work for regular people.

She is exactly the type of candidate we need to lead our country. If some proposals turn into center-left legislation after going through Congress, that is fine with me.

I will reinforce my response.

third party if she's the candidate

If she wins, you'll see . . .

If we can't smack down Epstein and his "clients," Warren isn't going after Big Biz.

You all are so naive.

[Anonymous]

Big question: will Warren be able to gain traction outside of her core support of white Dems with high HHI? Seriously?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of Warren's policies are ever going to pass. If there was a D majority even 60ds most of them still wouldn't pass

She is way out of the mainstream of the political spectrum

and 73k federal taxes is around 250k HHI which is very common in this area

Close. About $280k. One Fed, one software engineer. Only mortgage interest and charitable contribution deductions. All public schools, except kid 1 is in a private college with a 1/2 tuition merit award. I know We are not MC. I know we have a sizeable income. I am not saying I’m poor. But take out federal, state, etc taxes. And housing. And retirement savings. And college savings— a lot, because we got hit by the recession and started saving late. College plus retirement is $6k a month right there. And healthcare for one with a chronic, thankfully not life threatening, but not cheap, illness. It adds up fast. I think $71,000 with two kids at or near college age in an area with a very high COL is doing my part. And yes, I’d like to retire some day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Big question: will Warren be able to gain traction outside of her core support of white Dems with high HHI? Seriously?

No. EW is a pretend progressive so moderates don't like her and progressives don't like her and the others don't trust her. She has one foot in the centrist pool and the other in the progressive pool. Make up your mind lady. She is an opportunist. She will be crushed by Trump if she became the nominee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:amy klobuchar would be a conservative in any other oecd country. supporting amy klobuchar means you are a closet republican who happens to like gay people.

...says the funny American who doesn't realize that Warren and Sanders would be communists in any other oecd country, way to the left of the mainstream socialdemocrat parties.

So says Backwoods Bunker Bob!

Nope, says an actual European socialdemocrat living in the US scared by what you are doing to the Democratic Party in the USA..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She’s phenomenal. Her politics are too progressive for my taste. But she was interviewed on NPR yesterday. And it reminded me how good she is. She did a great job in the debates. But they were too fragmented between 10 people to realize just how relatable she is.

She was asked on NPR about a time she failed. And she talked about “having it all”— two kids, and a nice house to run and a job as a law school professor. But she felt like she was failing her kids and failing her job, because she couldn’t do it all well. And untimely her aunt moved in and helped. And I was like— this woman gets it. I have had small kids and felt like nothing I did at work or at home was up to par. And she can articulate it in an manner that is relatable.

She talked about her dad having a heart attack, and he Mom entering the workforce in a minimum wage job at 50, and it being enough to keep her family afloat. And I remember my mom getting divorced, and child support being uncertain, but we owned a small house and never went without on her teachers salary.

She was also asked about her wardrobe, with is a black top, and black pants and a jewel covered blazer (I’d never noticed this). And she was like— it takes me 4 minutes to get ready in the morning, it doesn’t stain, and It’s one less thing to think about.

If Biden “gets” middle aged white men in the rust belt, Warren “gets” working moms and women in general. And only 33% of women support Trump. Someone who can speak to women in a relatable way could do an amazing job. She also seems to get economic populism in a way most Ds don’t.

I’m more of a Harris or Klobucher voter on policy. But when I hear Warren talk, she could be one of my friends, and I would love to get a beer with her. And I might not agree with everything she says, but it seems well thought out.

Go Liz!

When you say she's too progressive for your taste, what you mean is you are too selfish for her vision.

No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

Your response actually supports pp’s assessment of you as selfish and short-sighted.

You get to have that opinion. But the recession hit when I was 30 and in our family it hit hard. I have been a financially responsible adult, always worked, paid for high quality childcare, bought less house farther away for good public schools, bought cars that were 2-3 years old, not new. Saved like heck for college for kids and still had to tell them no private dream school without merit aid. Am saving like heck for college. When we spend money it is for our kids and their education (as opposed to their new cars and designer clothes).

How much more of my income do I have to pay in taxes before I’m no longer selfish? Why should I pay off your or your kids student loan to your dream school when I said no to my own kids dream schools so they wouldn’t have loans? Everyone needs food and healthcare, and I will help pay for that. Taking out $80,000 is student loans to go to Michigan instead of UVA is a bad financial call. I’m not bailing you out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:amy klobuchar would be a conservative in any other oecd country. supporting amy klobuchar means you are a closet republican who happens to like gay people.

...says the funny American who doesn't realize that Warren and Sanders would be communists in any other oecd country, way to the left of the mainstream socialdemocrat parties.

So says Backwoods Bunker Bob!

Nope, says an actual European socialdemocrat living in the US scared by what you are doing to the Democratic Party in the USA..

Tell me one policy each has that is only found in Europe in communist parties and I’ll believe you. Until then, this American with decades-long ties to senior socdem figures throughout the Continent is seeing you as a fake.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She’s phenomenal. Her politics are too progressive for my taste. But she was interviewed on NPR yesterday. And it reminded me how good she is. She did a great job in the debates. But they were too fragmented between 10 people to realize just how relatable she is.

She was asked on NPR about a time she failed. And she talked about “having it all”— two kids, and a nice house to run and a job as a law school professor. But she felt like she was failing her kids and failing her job, because she couldn’t do it all well. And untimely her aunt moved in and helped. And I was like— this woman gets it. I have had small kids and felt like nothing I did at work or at home was up to par. And she can articulate it in an manner that is relatable.

She talked about her dad having a heart attack, and he Mom entering the workforce in a minimum wage job at 50, and it being enough to keep her family afloat. And I remember my mom getting divorced, and child support being uncertain, but we owned a small house and never went without on her teachers salary.

She was also asked about her wardrobe, with is a black top, and black pants and a jewel covered blazer (I’d never noticed this). And she was like— it takes me 4 minutes to get ready in the morning, it doesn’t stain, and It’s one less thing to think about.

If Biden “gets” middle aged white men in the rust belt, Warren “gets” working moms and women in general. And only 33% of women support Trump. Someone who can speak to women in a relatable way could do an amazing job. She also seems to get economic populism in a way most Ds don’t.

I’m more of a Harris or Klobucher voter on policy. But when I hear Warren talk, she could be one of my friends, and I would love to get a beer with her. And I might not agree with everything she says, but it seems well thought out.

Go Liz!

When you say she's too progressive for your taste, what you mean is you are too selfish for her vision.

No. I mean I’m Gen X 2 jobs two kids in a high COL area. And by the time college becomes affordable, we will have already sacrificed a lot to put our kids through full pay. After paying full freight for daycare. After our students loans are paid off. After we have paid 20 years or more of high health insurance premiums and huge co-pays and are about to qualify for Medicare. Everything was so much more expensive for me than it was for my parents. For childcare to housing to healthcare to college. I need to be saving for retirement. It would be nice after years of watching every penny to have some discretionary income once my kids are done with college. It’s hard to swallow higher taxes for zero additional services for me. And I am tired of being the donut hole everything in a generation that doesn’t matter because it has small numbers.

I want everyone to have access to college. And healthcare. And quality childcare. But I paid $71,000 in federal taxes last year, contribute $40,000 a year to Kid 1’s education, with Kid 2 soon to follow, and none of it is tax deductible, max out my retirement because we had job loss during the recession, pay $800 a month for health insurance, and have over $10,000 out of pocket already this year, commute 45 minutes each way to live in a house we can afford in a good school district, drive a 7 year old Subaru and am not living in the lap of luxury. I’m contributing what I can. I can’t afford another $30,000 in taxes so someone else gets their student loan debt wiped out, when we gave up so much so our kids wouldn’t have any. Maybe that’s selfish. Or, maybe it’s pragmatic.

What informed your takeaway that under Warren's plan you'd pay $30K more in taxes? Genuine curiosity and a wish to be informed - no snark.

I freely admit I don’t have an exact number on taxes. But even she freely says I’ll pay more. I expect it to be disproportionately more, because a benefit of being a Fed is relatively affordable health care. Which is to say $800 a month and a $12,000 catastrophic max, which we hit every year, because family member with expensive chronic condition. And I will be paying in for many services I will not be able to use, like childcare and college tuition. So there is no offset.

[Anonymous]

Yang surpasses Mayor Pete to take the 5th place!