Think she cheated on her SAT?

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Anonymous wrote:As far as ACT goes, looks like someone is finally taking them to court. It'll be interesting to see the rulings.
https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2019/01/14/lawsuit-against-act-adds-criticism-testing-organizations-allegedly
https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/2019/01/sorry-act-kids-accused-of-cheating-can-now-sue-you-nj-judge-says.html

This is great news!

Okay, that article says the kid was offered a $20K scholarship somewhere with ACT scores in the low 20s.

How on earth is that possible?

Where are these kids going to college where they are getting scholarship for such low or middling ACT/SAT scores?

I thought kids need SATs in the upper 1300s to 1400s or ACTs in the upper 20s/low 30s to even get accepted to college, and much higher for scholarships.

Penn State. Didn't you read the article?

I read only one of them. I did not see Penn State listed as the school that offered the $20k merit aide. The article said he turned that school down but did not mention what school it was.

I did not realize that students only need a low 20s ACT to get accepted to Penn State with merit age. I am shocked, actually

This is when you realize that only reading DCUM gives you a really warped view of the world.

But Penn State's average ACT is 25 to 29.

21 is WAY below average, and 26 is a skin of your teeth admittance. How do either of those scores result in merit awards?

They don’t. Penn State was never mentioned. She lives in Florida anyway. Idk where PP came up with it..

It was in the link posted above. The kid's name is Brendan Clare: https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2019/01/14/lawsuit-against-act-adds-criticism-testing-organizations-allegedly

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^ he went from a 21 to 26 and they though he cheated. On retake he got a score "somewhere close enough" to 26 to get admitted to Penn State.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as ACT goes, looks like someone is finally taking them to court. It'll be interesting to see the rulings.
https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2019/01/14/lawsuit-against-act-adds-criticism-testing-organizations-allegedly
https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/news/2019/01/sorry-act-kids-accused-of-cheating-can-now-sue-you-nj-judge-says.html

This is great news!

Okay, that article says the kid was offered a $20K scholarship somewhere with ACT scores in the low 20s.

How on earth is that possible?

Where are these kids going to college where they are getting scholarship for such low or middling ACT/SAT scores?

I thought kids need SATs in the upper 1300s to 1400s or ACTs in the upper 20s/low 30s to even get accepted to college, and much higher for scholarships.

Penn State. Didn't you read the article?

I read only one of them. I did not see Penn State listed as the school that offered the $20k merit aide. The article said he turned that school down but did not mention what school it was.

I did not realize that students only need a low 20s ACT to get accepted to Penn State with merit age. I am shocked, actually

This is when you realize that only reading DCUM gives you a really warped view of the world.

But Penn State's average ACT is 25 to 29.

21 is WAY below average, and 26 is a skin of your teeth admittance. How do either of those scores result in merit awards?

They don’t. Penn State was never mentioned. She lives in Florida anyway. Idk where PP came up with it..

It was in the link posted above. The kid's name is Brendan Clare: https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2019/01/14/lawsuit-against-act-adds-criticism-testing-organizations-allegedly

NP. You are misunderstanding what that article says.

Clare was aware that Pennsylvania State University, which he planned to attend, could withdraw his admissions offer based on revoked ACT scores. He was also aware that he had just turned down other admissions offers, including one with a $25,000 scholarship offer.

The merit award was NOT from Penn State.

Reading comprehension. It’s important.

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^ kid went from 21 to 26. ACT thought he cheated. He re-took and got "close enough" to a 26, so the new score stood. Sufficient for admission to Penn State.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she cheated and not because of the score increase. That happens pretty frequently. I think that her test is EXACTLY like another test (probably from the internet) The one she copied and the computer caught it. There are many ways this can be done ( and doing it is not that hard) But most people don’t get caught. She did. She is also acting guilty by not retaking the test, or simply taking tha ACT instead. I suspect the evidence rather strong.

+1 . Between the $100k Gofundme campaign (which is going great BTW), hiring the civil rights lawyer and the ensuing media blitz she certainly is doing everything she can to look guilty and somewhat idiotic. If she were truly concerned with getting into college she would retake the test and get on with her life.

Of course there is always the CRAZY possibility that she is innocent and fighting for what she thinks is right, and maybe she is "truly concerned" about that.

Not everyone likes to bend over the sink when power is abused. If you enjoy that go ahead. She's exercising her rights and she'll live with the results of her choices.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she cheated and not because of the score increase. That happens pretty frequently. I think that her test is EXACTLY like another test (probably from the internet) The one she copied and the computer caught it. There are many ways this can be done ( and doing it is not that hard) But most people don’t get caught. She did. She is also acting guilty by not retaking the test, or simply taking tha ACT instead. I suspect the evidence rather strong.

+1 . Between the $100k Gofundme campaign (which is going great BTW), hiring the civil rights lawyer and the ensuing media blitz she certainly is doing everything she can to look guilty and somewhat idiotic. If she were truly concerned with getting into college she would retake the test and get on with her life.

Of course there is always the CRAZY possibility that she is innocent and fighting for what she thinks is right, and maybe she is "truly concerned" about that.

Not everyone likes to bend over the sink when power is abused. If you enjoy that go ahead. She's exercising her rights and she'll live with the results of her choices.

Yes of courss, it's always an "abuse of power" when perpetrators are caught. And try to communicate without using vulgar analogies, if at all possible.

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I went up a little over 200 points when I took it back in the Stone Age. I hadn't prepped at all and took it in the spring of junior year and got around upper 700s. I took a one week summer class and the fall of senior year, I took a prob/stat math class which was mostly SAT prep the first few months. I took it in November and got just over 1000.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she cheated and not because of the score increase. That happens pretty frequently. I think that her test is EXACTLY like another test (probably from the internet) The one she copied and the computer caught it. There are many ways this can be done ( and doing it is not that hard) But most people don’t get caught. She did. She is also acting guilty by not retaking the test, or simply taking tha ACT instead. I suspect the evidence rather strong.

+1 . Between the $100k Gofundme campaign (which is going great BTW), hiring the civil rights lawyer and the ensuing media blitz she certainly is doing everything she can to look guilty and somewhat idiotic. If she were truly concerned with getting into college she would retake the test and get on with her life.

Of course there is always the CRAZY possibility that she is innocent and fighting for what she thinks is right, and maybe she is "truly concerned" about that.

Not everyone likes to bend over the sink when power is abused. If you enjoy that go ahead. She's exercising her rights and she'll live with the results of her choices.

Yes of courss, it's always an "abuse of power" when perpetrators are caught. And try to communicate without using vulgar analogies, if at all possible.

I am not saying she's innocent -- I am saying I don't know and neither do you, since neither of us have seen any evidence -- and in fact we don't even know what the evidence is. I am open minded to the possibility and not judging, and in favor of people who use due process in support of their rights. Why are you against that?

I know of many stories -- some repeated in this thread -- where kids were accused of cheating and retook the test to prove they didn't. Should they have been forced to do that?

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She should be barred from college for cheating, she's done

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Anonymous wrote:She should be barred from college for cheating, she's done

Except that she denies cheating. No evidence has been presented here or elsewhere that would convince me either way. What do you know that everyone else doesn't ?

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Anonymous wrote:She should be barred from college for cheating, she's done

Barred from college forever, huh? Let’s just throw her in jail. Life sentence. Jeez dude. You angry?

I cheated on a test once. Not proud of it. So did pretty much my entire (3rd period?) 9th grade American history class. Maybe we should all surrender ourselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she cheated and not because of the score increase. That happens pretty frequently. I think that her test is EXACTLY like another test (probably from the internet) The one she copied and the computer caught it. There are many ways this can be done ( and doing it is not that hard) But most people don’t get caught. She did. She is also acting guilty by not retaking the test, or simply taking tha ACT instead. I suspect the evidence rather strong.

+1 . Between the $100k Gofundme campaign (which is going great BTW), hiring the civil rights lawyer and the ensuing media blitz she certainly is doing everything she can to look guilty and somewhat idiotic. If she were truly concerned with getting into college she would retake the test and get on with her life.

Of course there is always the CRAZY possibility that she is innocent and fighting for what she thinks is right, and maybe she is "truly concerned" about that.

Not everyone likes to bend over the sink when power is abused. If you enjoy that go ahead. She's exercising her rights and she'll live with the results of her choices.

Yes of courss, it's always an "abuse of power" when perpetrators are caught. And try to communicate without using vulgar analogies, if at all possible.

I am not saying she's innocent -- I am saying I don't know and neither do you, since neither of us have seen any evidence -- and in fact we don't even know what the evidence is. I am open minded to the possibility and not judging, and in favor of people who use due process in support of their rights. Why are you against that?

I know of many stories -- some repeated in this thread -- where kids were accused of cheating and retook the test to prove they didn't. Should they have been forced to do that?

Of course i"m all for due process and you're correct, I have no idea if she is innocent or guilty. My comment was directed at her behavior since she was accused and it certainly isn't consistent with somebody that is out to clear their name and prove their innocence. A serious student would immediately do what you've suggested and re-take the test....a comparable score would only support her claims. She can always pursue legal recourse at a later date but with the time pressure to get applications in I wouldn't see that as the immediate priority.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she cheated and not because of the score increase. That happens pretty frequently. I think that her test is EXACTLY like another test (probably from the internet) The one she copied and the computer caught it. There are many ways this can be done ( and doing it is not that hard) But most people don’t get caught. She did. She is also acting guilty by not retaking the test, or simply taking tha ACT instead. I suspect the evidence rather strong.

+1 . Between the $100k Gofundme campaign (which is going great BTW), hiring the civil rights lawyer and the ensuing media blitz she certainly is doing everything she can to look guilty and somewhat idiotic. If she were truly concerned with getting into college she would retake the test and get on with her life.

Of course there is always the CRAZY possibility that she is innocent and fighting for what she thinks is right, and maybe she is "truly concerned" about that.

Not everyone likes to bend over the sink when power is abused. If you enjoy that go ahead. She's exercising her rights and she'll live with the results of her choices.

Yes of courss, it's always an "abuse of power" when perpetrators are caught. And try to communicate without using vulgar analogies, if at all possible.

I am not saying she's innocent -- I am saying I don't know and neither do you, since neither of us have seen any evidence -- and in fact we don't even know what the evidence is. I am open minded to the possibility and not judging, and in favor of people who use due process in support of their rights. Why are you against that?

I know of many stories -- some repeated in this thread -- where kids were accused of cheating and retook the test to prove they didn't. Should they have been forced to do that?

Of course i"m all for due process and you're correct, I have no idea if she is innocent or guilty. My comment was directed at her behavior since she was accused and it certainly isn't consistent with somebody that is out to clear their name and prove their innocence. A serious student would immediately do what you've suggested and re-take the test....a comparable score would only support her claims. She can always pursue legal recourse at a later date but with the time pressure to get applications in I wouldn't see that as the immediate priority.

I agree with this. I think it is fine for her to seek legal counsel, however, she should also take steps to demonstrate that the score was legit. Why would she shy away from that. That behavior alone is suspicious. In the case mentioned earlier with the suit against ACT (score went from 21-26) at least the student retook the test and got a 23, and therefore the 26 was allowed. All that girl has to do is take another test. I think she is guilty and that is why she is not retaking.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course i"m all for due process and you're correct, I have no idea if she is innocent or guilty.

Then lets leave it at that.

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Anonymous wrote:I think she cheated and not because of the score increase. That happens pretty frequently. I think that her test is EXACTLY like another test (probably from the internet) The one she copied and the computer caught it. There are many ways this can be done ( and doing it is not that hard) But most people don’t get caught. She did. She is also acting guilty by not retaking the test, or simply taking tha ACT instead. I suspect the evidence rather strong.

+1 . Between the $100k Gofundme campaign (which is going great BTW), hiring the civil rights lawyer and the ensuing media blitz she certainly is doing everything she can to look guilty and somewhat idiotic. If she were truly concerned with getting into college she would retake the test and get on with her life.

Of course there is always the CRAZY possibility that she is innocent and fighting for what she thinks is right, and maybe she is "truly concerned" about that.

Not everyone likes to bend over the sink when power is abused. If you enjoy that go ahead. She's exercising her rights and she'll live with the results of her choices.

Yes of courss, it's always an "abuse of power" when perpetrators are caught. And try to communicate without using vulgar analogies, if at all possible.

I am not saying she's innocent -- I am saying I don't know and neither do you, since neither of us have seen any evidence -- and in fact we don't even know what the evidence is. I am open minded to the possibility and not judging, and in favor of people who use due process in support of their rights. Why are you against that?

I know of many stories -- some repeated in this thread -- where kids were accused of cheating and retook the test to prove they didn't. Should they have been forced to do that?

Of course i"m all for due process and you're correct, I have no idea if she is innocent or guilty. My comment was directed at her behavior since she was accused and it certainly isn't consistent with somebody that is out to clear their name and prove their innocence. A serious student would immediately do what you've suggested and re-take the test....a comparable score would only support her claims. She can always pursue legal recourse at a later date but with the time pressure to get applications in I wouldn't see that as the immediate priority.

I agree with this. I think it is fine for her to seek legal counsel, however, she should also take steps to demonstrate that the score was legit. Why would she shy away from that. That behavior alone is suspicious. In the case mentioned earlier with the suit against ACT (score went from 21-26) at least the student retook the test and got a 23, and therefore the 26 was allowed. All that girl has to do is take another test. I think she is guilty and that is why she is not retaking.

So what you're saying is "I agree with this except I don't".

Can't have it both ways man.

Let the process play out. If they truly have evidence, it will come out and she will pay the price.

I will point out that taking the test again is the easy way out if she is GUILTY of cheating.