Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 4

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.

So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?

I was sexually assaulted while swimming in a lake as a teenager, with my best friend not 10 feet away from me as it happened. I got away from the boy who was doing it without drawing any attention to what happened, then or ever. I didn’t tell my friend what happened out of fear of the incident blowing up, people finding out, and finding myself in the middle of an unforgiving rumor mill that NEVER was a good thing for a girl in the 80s. I have absolutely no recollection of anything else from that day 30 years ago. No car rides, nothing. Maybe my friend thought it was weird at the time that I chose what seemed like a random moment to stop hanging out and having fun in the lake, but that kind of mundane incident (me getting out of the lake while everyone was having fun) is not typically something that sticks with people for 30 years. She might have no memory at all of that day at the lake, and that would in no way be weird or abnormal.

I know the person who did it to me, by name. THAT is something that you don’t forget. I have no interest in drawing the incident to anyone’s attention and it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even remember it. But if he were a SCOTUS pick I would definitely consider coming forward. And my friend would probably honestly say that she didn’t remember that specific day in the lake; I wouldn’t want her to lie about that. It doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen or that I would be wrong to come forward.

I'm so sorry PP. I also was sexually assaulted. In 1983 (I just had to look up if it was 83 or 84) on the couch by my ex-boyfriend's roommate after their college graduation party. I can describe the couch in great detail, I can still FEEL the rough, tweedy fabric. I can tell you the guy's name - I just googled and it seems he's a teacher at a Catholic school, of all things. I can tell you what he did to me, what he said, how he told me to be quiet otherwise it would hurt more. I can't tell you much more though. Although he held me down and I didn't want to have sex and I told him to stop, I never called it a "rape." I thought I'd brought it on myself - I was sleeping on the couch instead of driving home because I was drunk and probably was a little flirtatious with the roommate that night to make my ex jealous.

And I told no one about it for decades, until one time I was out with some mommy friends and someone brought up that they'd been date raped. And at that moment I realized I had been too. So, yeah, her story completely rings true to me.

But it seems like you can remember the place and you remember the actual event. And I'm sure you remember why you were at the party. And how you got there and left it. Christine can't seem to remember any of this.

I will never understand why women don't come forward right away if nothing else to report to an anonymous source. There were such groups at our school that conducted these interviews and would have kept records.

NP. I remember my near-rape, but I have no idea where it was (unfamiliar city), how I got there, or how I got back to my hotel.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.

So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?

I was sexually assaulted while swimming in a lake as a teenager, with my best friend not 10 feet away from me as it happened. I got away from the boy who was doing it without drawing any attention to what happened, then or ever. I didn’t tell my friend what happened out of fear of the incident blowing up, people finding out, and finding myself in the middle of an unforgiving rumor mill that NEVER was a good thing for a girl in the 80s. I have absolutely no recollection of anything else from that day 30 years ago. No car rides, nothing. Maybe my friend thought it was weird at the time that I chose what seemed like a random moment to stop hanging out and having fun in the lake, but that kind of mundane incident (me getting out of the lake while everyone was having fun) is not typically something that sticks with people for 30 years. She might have no memory at all of that day at the lake, and that would in no way be weird or abnormal.

I know the person who did it to me, by name. THAT is something that you don’t forget. I have no interest in drawing the incident to anyone’s attention and it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even remember it. But if he were a SCOTUS pick I would definitely consider coming forward. And my friend would probably honestly say that she didn’t remember that specific day in the lake; I wouldn’t want her to lie about that. It doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen or that I would be wrong to come forward.

I'm so sorry PP. I also was sexually assaulted. In 1983 (I just had to look up if it was 83 or 84) on the couch by my ex-boyfriend's roommate after their college graduation party. I can describe the couch in great detail, I can still FEEL the rough, tweedy fabric. I can tell you the guy's name - I just googled and it seems he's a teacher at a Catholic school, of all things. I can tell you what he did to me, what he said, how he told me to be quiet otherwise it would hurt more. I can't tell you much more though. Although he held me down and I didn't want to have sex and I told him to stop, I never called it a "rape." I thought I'd brought it on myself - I was sleeping on the couch instead of driving home because I was drunk and probably was a little flirtatious with the roommate that night to make my ex jealous.

And I told no one about it for decades, until one time I was out with some mommy friends and someone brought up that they'd been date raped. And at that moment I realized I had been too. So, yeah, her story completely rings true to me.

But it seems like you can remember the place and you remember the actual event. And I'm sure you remember why you were at the party. And how you got there and left it. Christine can't seem to remember any of this.

I will never understand why women don't come forward right away if nothing else to report to an anonymous source. There were such groups at our school that conducted these interviews and would have kept records.

I remember the place because it was my ex's apartment which I'd been to many times. I have no memory of the party itself - I only brought up the flirting because that's what my ex told me I did when he stopped talking to me because I "slept with" his roommate. I assume I drove there because I had a car but I have no memory of that.

And, no, in 1983 there were ZERO "groups" at our school. Date rape was not a thing because it wasn't considered rape - see, I was asking for it. Just like Ford probably felt - a 15 year old shouldn't be drinking with older guys in her bathing suit - anything that happened was her fault because clearly she was asking for it.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on it wasn’t a job interview. It was an unofficial trisl in which he was supposed to refute a claim of sexual assault against him.

Yep. The job interview happened two weeks ago when the confirmation hearings were taking place. And, he did quite well. That is when the Democrats decided to roll out the sexual assault allegations.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on it wasn’t a job interview. It was an unofficial trisl in which he was supposed to refute a claim of sexual assault against him.

Okay, when you are up as the top candidate for a job, and are going in for your background check, go ahead and yell about beer 65, turn the questions back on your interviewer in a hostile manner, and cry about your calendar.

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Anonymous wrote:Dr. Ford is very credible. Sorry.

Your forgot to add....."in my opinion."

In MY opinion, there are inconsistencies in her story, big gap as far as details (like when and where), "witnesses" who refute or at least do not confirm her story, and a political bias to boot. Presumption of innocence to the one accused.

This isn’t a criminal trial, amd she was about a thousand Times more credible in her testimony,

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Anonymous wrote:Just believe the woman. She had no motive to come out.

One motive. Inability to tolerate this person having power over her and her family.

So Kavanaugh has power over her and her family? Do tell. HOW?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess it should be no surprise that Kavanaugh’s supporters are so comfortable with his lies about his history, drinking, and seemingly simple details like the meaning of terms in his yearbook. They are also comfortable with a president who lies daily - though often about big things - and who has bragged about grabbing women by the puss* as a perk of his celebrity.

Disgusting.

Of course. We should not be surprised that the people supporting BK chose to elect Trump even after the Billy Bush tape. Something for which Billy Bush lost his job, I might add.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.

So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?

I was sexually assaulted while swimming in a lake as a teenager, with my best friend not 10 feet away from me as it happened. I got away from the boy who was doing it without drawing any attention to what happened, then or ever. I didn’t tell my friend what happened out of fear of the incident blowing up, people finding out, and finding myself in the middle of an unforgiving rumor mill that NEVER was a good thing for a girl in the 80s. I have absolutely no recollection of anything else from that day 30 years ago. No car rides, nothing. Maybe my friend thought it was weird at the time that I chose what seemed like a random moment to stop hanging out and having fun in the lake, but that kind of mundane incident (me getting out of the lake while everyone was having fun) is not typically something that sticks with people for 30 years. She might have no memory at all of that day at the lake, and that would in no way be weird or abnormal.

I know the person who did it to me, by name. THAT is something that you don’t forget. I have no interest in drawing the incident to anyone’s attention and it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even remember it. But if he were a SCOTUS pick I would definitely consider coming forward. And my friend would probably honestly say that she didn’t remember that specific day in the lake; I wouldn’t want her to lie about that. It doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen or that I would be wrong to come forward.

I'm so sorry PP. I also was sexually assaulted. In 1983 (I just had to look up if it was 83 or 84) on the couch by my ex-boyfriend's roommate after their college graduation party. I can describe the couch in great detail, I can still FEEL the rough, tweedy fabric. I can tell you the guy's name - I just googled and it seems he's a teacher at a Catholic school, of all things. I can tell you what he did to me, what he said, how he told me to be quiet otherwise it would hurt more. I can't tell you much more though. Although he held me down and I didn't want to have sex and I told him to stop, I never called it a "rape." I thought I'd brought it on myself - I was sleeping on the couch instead of driving home because I was drunk and probably was a little flirtatious with the roommate that night to make my ex jealous.

And I told no one about it for decades, until one time I was out with some mommy friends and someone brought up that they'd been date raped. And at that moment I realized I had been too. So, yeah, her story completely rings true to me.

But it seems like you can remember the place and you remember the actual event. And I'm sure you remember why you were at the party. And how you got there and left it. Christine can't seem to remember any of this.

I will never understand why women don't come forward right away if nothing else to report to an anonymous source. There were such groups at our school that conducted these interviews and would have kept records.

So society becomes aware that there is an endemic problem of women having experienced sexual assaults for decades and not telling anyone about it. We seem to be faced with two possibilities here:

1) Maybe there was something about coming forward that was extremely unappealing like being called sluts or not being believed and being forced to hear about how you're ruining some boy's life/good name regardless of the timing of when you made your declaration. Maybe we should fix that and more women should come forward?
2) Maybe women are so stupid to never come forward at the time with corroborating witnesses! How could all women have been so dumb for so long? Maybe calling women who didn't report their assault from years ago stupid will make young girls think we respect them and encourage them to come forward with their own stories as quickly as possible.

Totally #2. Makes the most logical sense!

That wasn't what I was saying. There are programs to make reports confidentially. They have been around for decades in both communities and on college campuses.
An example:
http://system.suny.edu/sexual-violence-prevention-workgroup/policies/disclosure/

I'm 33 and went to a pretty good college and had no knowledge of such a group. And back before 2008 or so, when the internet was still new and shiny, google wouldn't have been the obvious choice to answer my questions after being assaulted had I been assaulted.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on it wasn’t a job interview. It was an unofficial trisl in which he was supposed to refute a claim of sexual assault against him.

Yep. The job interview happened two weeks ago when the confirmation hearings were taking place. And, he did quite well. That is when the Democrats decided to roll out the sexual assault allegations.

He sucked then too, which was why everyone was talking about perjury investigations before the sexual assault charges were being discussed. He is just a very unimpressive candidate with a propensity for lying. Sad that this is the best republicans think they can do, pathetic actually.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on it wasn’t a job interview. It was an unofficial trisl in which he was supposed to refute a claim of sexual assault against him.

Yep. The job interview happened two weeks ago when the confirmation hearings were taking place. And, he did quite well. That is when the Democrats decided to roll out the sexual assault allegations.

It wasn't a trial. Kavanaugh knew it too or he would have had an attorney. At the end of a trial you can go to jail if found guilty. #importantdistinctions

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.

So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?

I was sexually assaulted while swimming in a lake as a teenager, with my best friend not 10 feet away from me as it happened. I got away from the boy who was doing it without drawing any attention to what happened, then or ever. I didn’t tell my friend what happened out of fear of the incident blowing up, people finding out, and finding myself in the middle of an unforgiving rumor mill that NEVER was a good thing for a girl in the 80s. I have absolutely no recollection of anything else from that day 30 years ago. No car rides, nothing. Maybe my friend thought it was weird at the time that I chose what seemed like a random moment to stop hanging out and having fun in the lake, but that kind of mundane incident (me getting out of the lake while everyone was having fun) is not typically something that sticks with people for 30 years. She might have no memory at all of that day at the lake, and that would in no way be weird or abnormal.

I know the person who did it to me, by name. THAT is something that you don’t forget. I have no interest in drawing the incident to anyone’s attention and it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even remember it. But if he were a SCOTUS pick I would definitely consider coming forward. And my friend would probably honestly say that she didn’t remember that specific day in the lake; I wouldn’t want her to lie about that. It doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen or that I would be wrong to come forward.

I'm so sorry PP. I also was sexually assaulted. In 1983 (I just had to look up if it was 83 or 84) on the couch by my ex-boyfriend's roommate after their college graduation party. I can describe the couch in great detail, I can still FEEL the rough, tweedy fabric. I can tell you the guy's name - I just googled and it seems he's a teacher at a Catholic school, of all things. I can tell you what he did to me, what he said, how he told me to be quiet otherwise it would hurt more. I can't tell you much more though. Although he held me down and I didn't want to have sex and I told him to stop, I never called it a "rape." I thought I'd brought it on myself - I was sleeping on the couch instead of driving home because I was drunk and probably was a little flirtatious with the roommate that night to make my ex jealous.

And I told no one about it for decades, until one time I was out with some mommy friends and someone brought up that they'd been date raped. And at that moment I realized I had been too. So, yeah, her story completely rings true to me.

But it seems like you can remember the place and you remember the actual event. And I'm sure you remember why you were at the party. And how you got there and left it. Christine can't seem to remember any of this.

I will never understand why women don't come forward right away if nothing else to report to an anonymous source. There were such groups at our school that conducted these interviews and would have kept records.

So society becomes aware that there is an endemic problem of women having experienced sexual assaults for decades and not telling anyone about it. We seem to be faced with two possibilities here:

1) Maybe there was something about coming forward that was extremely unappealing like being called sluts or not being believed and being forced to hear about how you're ruining some boy's life/good name regardless of the timing of when you made your declaration. Maybe we should fix that and more women should come forward?
2) Maybe women are so stupid to never come forward at the time with corroborating witnesses! How could all women have been so dumb for so long? Maybe calling women who didn't report their assault from years ago stupid will make young girls think we respect them and encourage them to come forward with their own stories as quickly as possible.

Totally #2. Makes the most logical sense!

That wasn't what I was saying. There are programs to make reports confidentially. They have been around for decades in both communities and on college campuses.
An example:
http://system.suny.edu/sexual-violence-prevention-workgroup/policies/disclosure/

I graduated from high school and college in the 90s. There were no confidential reporting offices! You are deluded if you think there were.

The girls who claimed anything happened to them were called liars AND sluts, BOTH!

Two girls in my dorm were raped and three girls in my high school were victims of sexual assault. There was no confidential anything. The only way to be "confidential" was to not tell a soul, and to hope to god that the guy didn't brag about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on it wasn’t a job interview. It was an unofficial trisl in which he was supposed to refute a claim of sexual assault against him.

Yep. The job interview happened two weeks ago when the confirmation hearings were taking place. And, he did quite well. That is when the Democrats decided to roll out the sexual assault allegations.

Did he really? Forget about this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR8qhuur9OY

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Anonymous wrote:Just believe the woman. She had no motive to come out.

One motive. Inability to tolerate this person having power over her and her family.

So Kavanaugh has power over her and her family? Do tell. HOW?

Are you aware of what the Supreme Court is in this country?

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I will never understand why women don't come forward right away if nothing else to report to an anonymous source. There were such groups at our school that conducted these interviews and would have kept records.

NP. I remember my near-rape, but I have no idea where it was (unfamiliar city), how I got there, or how I got back to my hotel.

I am so sorry that happened to you.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on it wasn’t a job interview. It was an unofficial trisl in which he was supposed to refute a claim of sexual assault against him.

Yep. The job interview happened two weeks ago when the confirmation hearings were taking place. And, he did quite well. That is when the Democrats decided to roll out the sexual assault allegations.

He sucked then too, which was why everyone was talking about perjury investigations before the sexual assault charges were being discussed. He is just a very unimpressive candidate with a propensity for lying. Sad that this is the best republicans think they can do, pathetic actually.

Then, once he is on the bench, go after him for lying. You won’t because he didn’t.