Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 4

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.

So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?

I was sexually assaulted while swimming in a lake as a teenager, with my best friend not 10 feet away from me as it happened. I got away from the boy who was doing it without drawing any attention to what happened, then or ever. I didn’t tell my friend what happened out of fear of the incident blowing up, people finding out, and finding myself in the middle of an unforgiving rumor mill that NEVER was a good thing for a girl in the 80s. I have absolutely no recollection of anything else from that day 30 years ago. No car rides, nothing. Maybe my friend thought it was weird at the time that I chose what seemed like a random moment to stop hanging out and having fun in the lake, but that kind of mundane incident (me getting out of the lake while everyone was having fun) is not typically something that sticks with people for 30 years. She might have no memory at all of that day at the lake, and that would in no way be weird or abnormal.

I know the person who did it to me, by name. THAT is something that you don’t forget. I have no interest in drawing the incident to anyone’s attention and it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even remember it. But if he were a SCOTUS pick I would definitely consider coming forward. And my friend would probably honestly say that she didn’t remember that specific day in the lake; I wouldn’t want her to lie about that. It doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen or that I would be wrong to come forward.

I'm so sorry PP. I also was sexually assaulted. In 1983 (I just had to look up if it was 83 or 84) on the couch by my ex-boyfriend's roommate after their college graduation party. I can describe the couch in great detail, I can still FEEL the rough, tweedy fabric. I can tell you the guy's name - I just googled and it seems he's a teacher at a Catholic school, of all things. I can tell you what he did to me, what he said, how he told me to be quiet otherwise it would hurt more. I can't tell you much more though. Although he held me down and I didn't want to have sex and I told him to stop, I never called it a "rape." I thought I'd brought it on myself - I was sleeping on the couch instead of driving home because I was drunk and probably was a little flirtatious with the roommate that night to make my ex jealous.

And I told no one about it for decades, until one time I was out with some mommy friends and someone brought up that they'd been date raped. And at that moment I realized I had been too. So, yeah, her story completely rings true to me.

But it seems like you can remember the place and you remember the actual event. And I'm sure you remember why you were at the party. And how you got there and left it. Christine can't seem to remember any of this.

I will never understand why women don't come forward right away if nothing else to report to an anonymous source. There were such groups at our school that conducted these interviews and would have kept records.

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Anonymous wrote:Dr. Ford is very credible. Sorry.

Your forgot to add....."in my opinion."

In MY opinion, there are inconsistencies in her story, big gap as far as details (like when and where), "witnesses" who refute or at least do not confirm her story, and a political bias to boot. Presumption of innocence to the one accused.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this near the end of thread 3. I’m curious what Kavanaugh supporters think, particularly of the last paragraph.

“I honestly don’t know who is telling the truth. I don’t believe her blindly, but I also don’t think she’s involved in some big conspiracy (even if one is happening around her.) And certainly some people screwed the pooch procedurally here.

All that said, his behavior on Thursday was absolutely horrific and completely unbecoming of a Supreme Court Justice. He is hot tempered and blatantly partisan. Yes, lots of people in the room were being partisan, but he was the only one trying to become a Supreme Court Justice.”

As I’ve said before, if he had been polite and answered the questions cordially and directly, this would all be over. He has humiliated himself and shown he can’t remain calm and impartial in tense situations.”

He was facing people who had called him “evil” and a “threat” and also publicly and proudly announced, “I believe her” before any testimony.
He is an innocent man who was vehemently defending his name, his reputation, his integrity, and his livelihood. This was not a “tense situation.” It was a lynching. It was disgusting.

If you wish to see how he handles himself in tense situations, consider his behavior and demeanor during his 12 years as an appellate judge. There were NO COMPLAINTS.

This is all I need to know.

There were many complaints about his rigidity and activism as a Court of Appeals judge.

There is also the statements from Yale Law School students and grads who say they were told that Kavanaugh like his clerks to be women and “model-like” in appearance. While liking attractive people is not an inherent flaw, hiring your law clerks on the basis - at least partial - of appearance does not suggest a guy who is playing by the rules or averse to objectifying women. To the contrary.

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A friend of mine counted 63 mentions of "beer" in the transcripts of Kavanaugh's testimony. If you are at a job interview and the word "beer" comes up 63 times, it better be for a job at a brewery.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.

So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?

I was sexually assaulted while swimming in a lake as a teenager, with my best friend not 10 feet away from me as it happened. I got away from the boy who was doing it without drawing any attention to what happened, then or ever. I didn’t tell my friend what happened out of fear of the incident blowing up, people finding out, and finding myself in the middle of an unforgiving rumor mill that NEVER was a good thing for a girl in the 80s. I have absolutely no recollection of anything else from that day 30 years ago. No car rides, nothing. Maybe my friend thought it was weird at the time that I chose what seemed like a random moment to stop hanging out and having fun in the lake, but that kind of mundane incident (me getting out of the lake while everyone was having fun) is not typically something that sticks with people for 30 years. She might have no memory at all of that day at the lake, and that would in no way be weird or abnormal.

I know the person who did it to me, by name. THAT is something that you don’t forget. I have no interest in drawing the incident to anyone’s attention and it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even remember it. But if he were a SCOTUS pick I would definitely consider coming forward. And my friend would probably honestly say that she didn’t remember that specific day in the lake; I wouldn’t want her to lie about that. It doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen or that I would be wrong to come forward.

I'm so sorry PP. I also was sexually assaulted. In 1983 (I just had to look up if it was 83 or 84) on the couch by my ex-boyfriend's roommate after their college graduation party. I can describe the couch in great detail, I can still FEEL the rough, tweedy fabric. I can tell you the guy's name - I just googled and it seems he's a teacher at a Catholic school, of all things. I can tell you what he did to me, what he said, how he told me to be quiet otherwise it would hurt more. I can't tell you much more though. Although he held me down and I didn't want to have sex and I told him to stop, I never called it a "rape." I thought I'd brought it on myself - I was sleeping on the couch instead of driving home because I was drunk and probably was a little flirtatious with the roommate that night to make my ex jealous.

And I told no one about it for decades, until one time I was out with some mommy friends and someone brought up that they'd been date raped. And at that moment I realized I had been too. So, yeah, her story completely rings true to me.

But it seems like you can remember the place and you remember the actual event. And I'm sure you remember why you were at the party. And how you got there and left it. Christine can't seem to remember any of this.

I will never understand why women don't come forward right away if nothing else to report to an anonymous source. There were such groups at our school that conducted these interviews and would have kept records.

In what year did you have these groups???? Women didn't come forward because sexual assault was considered overwhelming OUR FAULT.
Remember the scene in Back to the Future (I bet you are too young!) - the mom is almost raped by Biff. Did she tell anyone? NO!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:I referred to this article on the previous thread. It’s illuminating - all of the assertions Kavanaugh presented in his testimony dissected. And what does it reveal? It reveals his obfuscation and in several cases, lies.

Of course, Kavanaugh defenders are willing to ignore this but it should trouble all of us. We deserve a SCJ who is not just unbiased (Kavanaugh showed he is anything but) but who stands for the truth.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/09/how-we-know-kavanaugh-is-lying

Dissected? No. The guy who wrote this article was never a Kavanaugh supporter. He makes assumptions and presents an extremely biased argument based on his own opinions.
It’s sad that this is what passes for “journalism” these days.

I disagree. I observed all the same indications in Kavanaugh's testimony that he is lying.

I'd love to hear from a retired investigator who is used to interviewing people and what they observe in that testimony.

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Anonymous wrote:A friend of mine counted 63 mentions of "beer" in the transcripts of Kavanaugh's testimony. If you are at a job interview and the word "beer" comes up 63 times, it better be for a job at a brewery.

LOL!!!! So true!

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this near the end of thread 3. I’m curious what Kavanaugh supporters think, particularly of the last paragraph.

“I honestly don’t know who is telling the truth. I don’t believe her blindly, but I also don’t think she’s involved in some big conspiracy (even if one is happening around her.) And certainly some people screwed the pooch procedurally here.

All that said, his behavior on Thursday was absolutely horrific and completely unbecoming of a Supreme Court Justice. He is hot tempered and blatantly partisan. Yes, lots of people in the room were being partisan, but he was the only one trying to become a Supreme Court Justice.”

As I’ve said before, if he had been polite and answered the questions cordially and directly, this would all be over. He has humiliated himself and shown he can’t remain calm and impartial in tense situations.”

He was facing people who had called him “evil” and a “threat” and also publicly and proudly announced, “I believe her” before any testimony.
He is an innocent man who was vehemently defending his name, his reputation, his integrity, and his livelihood. This was not a “tense situation.” It was a lynching. It was disgusting.

If you wish to see how he handles himself in tense situations, consider his behavior and demeanor during his 12 years as an appellate judge. There were NO COMPLAINTS.

This is all I need to know.

Well, I think you should also take into consideration that 50 out of 100 Senators do not agree with you (Pence could have broken the tie), or they would have voted on Saturday as planed. And keep in mind that in mind that 50 of the Senators are registered as Republicans.

The fact that he's had "no complaints" is meaningless. No one who has worked hard enough to make it to clerk for a federal judge is going to turn around and file a complaint about their boss. It's suicidal.

Women suck these things up and move on in order to maintain and progress in their careers. Eventually, if they wind up with millions of dollars and a degree of power they may turn around and try to bring him down (ex. Weinstein). Failing that, these men go on without consequence.

That's a pretty unflattering thing to say about women.

You're basically alleging they only care about money and their own success, and anything they have to tolerate to achieve both is worth the price.

Gee, how many of Kozinski's clerks came forward? Men or women?

Answer: Zero. None of them did. (This includes Kavanaugh, btw. He did not come forward then and has not admitted any knowledge of any of Kozinski's problems even now.)

The answer is not zero, several clerks came forward, starting with the one who wrote about Kozinski’s harassment in the New York Times.

After 35 years of being a judge, and after more than 500 clerks and staffers, first 6 clerks and staffers and then 9 additional clerks, staffers, and colleagues came forward and he retired within 10 days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Kozinski#Allegations_of_sexual_misconduct_and_abusive_employment_practices

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.

So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?

I was sexually assaulted while swimming in a lake as a teenager, with my best friend not 10 feet away from me as it happened. I got away from the boy who was doing it without drawing any attention to what happened, then or ever. I didn’t tell my friend what happened out of fear of the incident blowing up, people finding out, and finding myself in the middle of an unforgiving rumor mill that NEVER was a good thing for a girl in the 80s. I have absolutely no recollection of anything else from that day 30 years ago. No car rides, nothing. Maybe my friend thought it was weird at the time that I chose what seemed like a random moment to stop hanging out and having fun in the lake, but that kind of mundane incident (me getting out of the lake while everyone was having fun) is not typically something that sticks with people for 30 years. She might have no memory at all of that day at the lake, and that would in no way be weird or abnormal.

I know the person who did it to me, by name. THAT is something that you don’t forget. I have no interest in drawing the incident to anyone’s attention and it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even remember it. But if he were a SCOTUS pick I would definitely consider coming forward. And my friend would probably honestly say that she didn’t remember that specific day in the lake; I wouldn’t want her to lie about that. It doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen or that I would be wrong to come forward.

I'm so sorry PP. I also was sexually assaulted. In 1983 (I just had to look up if it was 83 or 84) on the couch by my ex-boyfriend's roommate after their college graduation party. I can describe the couch in great detail, I can still FEEL the rough, tweedy fabric. I can tell you the guy's name - I just googled and it seems he's a teacher at a Catholic school, of all things. I can tell you what he did to me, what he said, how he told me to be quiet otherwise it would hurt more. I can't tell you much more though. Although he held me down and I didn't want to have sex and I told him to stop, I never called it a "rape." I thought I'd brought it on myself - I was sleeping on the couch instead of driving home because I was drunk and probably was a little flirtatious with the roommate that night to make my ex jealous.

And I told no one about it for decades, until one time I was out with some mommy friends and someone brought up that they'd been date raped. And at that moment I realized I had been too. So, yeah, her story completely rings true to me.

But it seems like you can remember the place and you remember the actual event. And I'm sure you remember why you were at the party. And how you got there and left it. Christine can't seem to remember any of this.

I will never understand why women don't come forward right away if nothing else to report to an anonymous source. There were such groups at our school that conducted these interviews and would have kept records.

So society becomes aware that there is an endemic problem of women having experienced sexual assaults for decades and not telling anyone about it. We seem to be faced with two possibilities here:

1) Maybe there was something about coming forward that was extremely unappealing like being called sluts or not being believed and being forced to hear about how you're ruining some boy's life/good name regardless of the timing of when you made your declaration. Maybe we should fix that and more women should come forward?
2) Maybe women are so stupid to never come forward at the time with corroborating witnesses! How could all women have been so dumb for so long? Maybe calling women who didn't report their assault from years ago stupid will make young girls think we respect them and encourage them to come forward with their own stories as quickly as possible.

Totally #2. Makes the most logical sense!

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Anonymous wrote:I referred to this article on the previous thread. It’s illuminating - all of the assertions Kavanaugh presented in his testimony dissected. And what does it reveal? It reveals his obfuscation and in several cases, lies.

Of course, Kavanaugh defenders are willing to ignore this but it should trouble all of us. We deserve a SCJ who is not just unbiased (Kavanaugh showed he is anything but) but who stands for the truth.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/09/how-we-know-kavanaugh-is-lying

Dissected? No. The guy who wrote this article was never a Kavanaugh supporter. He makes assumptions and presents an extremely biased argument based on his own opinions.
It’s sad that this is what passes for “journalism” these days.

I disagree. I observed all the same indications in Kavanaugh's testimony that he is lying.

I'd love to hear from a retired investigator who is used to interviewing people and what they observe in that testimony.

I posted yesterday that on a twitter rec I downloaded the book Spot the Lie, written by 3 former CIA interrogators. I'm halfway through and no expert, but he lied both with his body, his words, evading questions, dodging questions, trying to tap in to people's biases (and we all have them). He pretty much hit them all. He also straight out lied which apparently is uncommon.

I posted this yesterday but it is still so true, and I think most of us would recognize it since we are parents:

Me: Did you eat your brother's cookie?
DS: Let me tell you about all the homework I have done...

This is exactly what he did.

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Oh come on it wasn’t a job interview. It was an unofficial trisl in which he was supposed to refute a claim of sexual assault against him.

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I guess it should be no surprise that Kavanaugh’s supporters are so comfortable with his lies about his history, drinking, and seemingly simple details like the meaning of terms in his yearbook. They are also comfortable with a president who lies daily - though often about big things - and who has bragged about grabbing women by the puss* as a perk of his celebrity.

Disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this near the end of thread 3. I’m curious what Kavanaugh supporters think, particularly of the last paragraph.

“I honestly don’t know who is telling the truth. I don’t believe her blindly, but I also don’t think she’s involved in some big conspiracy (even if one is happening around her.) And certainly some people screwed the pooch procedurally here.

All that said, his behavior on Thursday was absolutely horrific and completely unbecoming of a Supreme Court Justice. He is hot tempered and blatantly partisan. Yes, lots of people in the room were being partisan, but he was the only one trying to become a Supreme Court Justice.”

As I’ve said before, if he had been polite and answered the questions cordially and directly, this would all be over. He has humiliated himself and shown he can’t remain calm and impartial in tense situations.”

He was facing people who had called him “evil” and a “threat” and also publicly and proudly announced, “I believe her” before any testimony.
He is an innocent man who was vehemently defending his name, his reputation, his integrity, and his livelihood. This was not a “tense situation.” It was a lynching. It was disgusting.

If you wish to see how he handles himself in tense situations, consider his behavior and demeanor during his 12 years as an appellate judge. There were NO COMPLAINTS.

This is all I need to know.

There were many complaints about his rigidity and activism as a Court of Appeals judge.

There is also the statements from Yale Law School students and grads who say they were told that Kavanaugh like his clerks to be women and “model-like” in appearance. While liking attractive people is not an inherent flaw, hiring your law clerks on the basis - at least partial - of appearance does not suggest a guy who is playing by the rules or averse to objectifying women. To the contrary.

Oh, FFS. The person who allegedly said these things has said she didn’t.
Here is what I KNOW - the press was actively LOOKING for negative stories to put out there prior to the vote. This was one of those instances.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the Mitchell memo. No one is asking for charges to be brought. No one is contending that she met the reasonable doubt standard.

The report just makes me more sympathetic to Ford. She is being criticized and torn apart and now a prosecutor has torn through and prepared a report for nothing. And there is no report on Kavanaugh. And we all saw his performance and know where the inconsistencies are. Not to mention his conduct.

How bizarre.

She's not being torn apart for nothing. She makes some claims that stretch all plausibility.

Words have meaning, bub.

How many dozen women ON THIS SITE have said that something very similar to what Dr Ford describes happened to them? So it doesn’t stretch all plausibility in the slightest. You’re just determined not to believe her.

It stretches plausibility that she ran out of the house, somehow got home seven miles away, but conveniently doesn't remember how she got home. It stretches plausibility that she didn't have a conversation with her lifelong best friend who was supposedly at the party with her as to why she suddenly left early and how she managed to get home.

Consider yourself lucky that is it stretches credulity for you. Know what that tells me? It has never happened to you. The other 1/4 of us know and understand exactly. Listen when people talk to you.

So no one remembers driving a girl who would have been extremely upset and shaken, seven miles back to her house? Christine and her BFF didn't discuss why she suddenly left the party or how she got home? How is it plausible that her friend didn't ask her how she got home when she couldn't drive, and she would have had to find another way home than how she would presumably have gotten there?

I was sexually assaulted while swimming in a lake as a teenager, with my best friend not 10 feet away from me as it happened. I got away from the boy who was doing it without drawing any attention to what happened, then or ever. I didn’t tell my friend what happened out of fear of the incident blowing up, people finding out, and finding myself in the middle of an unforgiving rumor mill that NEVER was a good thing for a girl in the 80s. I have absolutely no recollection of anything else from that day 30 years ago. No car rides, nothing. Maybe my friend thought it was weird at the time that I chose what seemed like a random moment to stop hanging out and having fun in the lake, but that kind of mundane incident (me getting out of the lake while everyone was having fun) is not typically something that sticks with people for 30 years. She might have no memory at all of that day at the lake, and that would in no way be weird or abnormal.

I know the person who did it to me, by name. THAT is something that you don’t forget. I have no interest in drawing the incident to anyone’s attention and it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t even remember it. But if he were a SCOTUS pick I would definitely consider coming forward. And my friend would probably honestly say that she didn’t remember that specific day in the lake; I wouldn’t want her to lie about that. It doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen or that I would be wrong to come forward.

I'm so sorry PP. I also was sexually assaulted. In 1983 (I just had to look up if it was 83 or 84) on the couch by my ex-boyfriend's roommate after their college graduation party. I can describe the couch in great detail, I can still FEEL the rough, tweedy fabric. I can tell you the guy's name - I just googled and it seems he's a teacher at a Catholic school, of all things. I can tell you what he did to me, what he said, how he told me to be quiet otherwise it would hurt more. I can't tell you much more though. Although he held me down and I didn't want to have sex and I told him to stop, I never called it a "rape." I thought I'd brought it on myself - I was sleeping on the couch instead of driving home because I was drunk and probably was a little flirtatious with the roommate that night to make my ex jealous.

And I told no one about it for decades, until one time I was out with some mommy friends and someone brought up that they'd been date raped. And at that moment I realized I had been too. So, yeah, her story completely rings true to me.

But it seems like you can remember the place and you remember the actual event. And I'm sure you remember why you were at the party. And how you got there and left it. Christine can't seem to remember any of this.

I will never understand why women don't come forward right away if nothing else to report to an anonymous source. There were such groups at our school that conducted these interviews and would have kept records.

So society becomes aware that there is an endemic problem of women having experienced sexual assaults for decades and not telling anyone about it. We seem to be faced with two possibilities here:

1) Maybe there was something about coming forward that was extremely unappealing like being called sluts or not being believed and being forced to hear about how you're ruining some boy's life/good name regardless of the timing of when you made your declaration. Maybe we should fix that and more women should come forward?
2) Maybe women are so stupid to never come forward at the time with corroborating witnesses! How could all women have been so dumb for so long? Maybe calling women who didn't report their assault from years ago stupid will make young girls think we respect them and encourage them to come forward with their own stories as quickly as possible.

Totally #2. Makes the most logical sense!

That wasn't what I was saying. There are programs to make reports confidentially. They have been around for decades in both communities and on college campuses.
An example:
http://system.suny.edu/sexual-violence-prevention-workgroup/policies/disclosure/

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Anonymous wrote:I posted this near the end of thread 3. I’m curious what Kavanaugh supporters think, particularly of the last paragraph.

“I honestly don’t know who is telling the truth. I don’t believe her blindly, but I also don’t think she’s involved in some big conspiracy (even if one is happening around her.) And certainly some people screwed the pooch procedurally here.

All that said, his behavior on Thursday was absolutely horrific and completely unbecoming of a Supreme Court Justice. He is hot tempered and blatantly partisan. Yes, lots of people in the room were being partisan, but he was the only one trying to become a Supreme Court Justice.”

As I’ve said before, if he had been polite and answered the questions cordially and directly, this would all be over. He has humiliated himself and shown he can’t remain calm and impartial in tense situations.”

He was facing people who had called him “evil” and a “threat” and also publicly and proudly announced, “I believe her” before any testimony.
He is an innocent man who was vehemently defending his name, his reputation, his integrity, and his livelihood. This was not a “tense situation.” It was a lynching. It was disgusting.

If you wish to see how he handles himself in tense situations, consider his behavior and demeanor during his 12 years as an appellate judge. There were NO COMPLAINTS.

This is all I need to know.

Well, I think you should also take into consideration that 50 out of 100 Senators do not agree with you (Pence could have broken the tie), or they would have voted on Saturday as planed. And keep in mind that in mind that 50 of the Senators are registered as Republicans.

The fact that he's had "no complaints" is meaningless. No one who has worked hard enough to make it to clerk for a federal judge is going to turn around and file a complaint about their boss. It's suicidal.

Women suck these things up and move on in order to maintain and progress in their careers. Eventually, if they wind up with millions of dollars and a degree of power they may turn around and try to bring him down (ex. Weinstein). Failing that, these men go on without consequence.

That's a pretty unflattering thing to say about women.

You're basically alleging they only care about money and their own success, and anything they have to tolerate to achieve both is worth the price.

Men also tolerate lots of crap. If BK's assault had been on a teen boy, we would probably now be hearing from him

Only because Kav is a republican appointment.

If he were a lib appointee picked by a dem, the media would all seek restraining orders to keep any accusers from trying to tell their story.

Al Franken, Harvey Weinstein, and Eric Schneiderman say Hi.