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Anonymous wrote:I hate that my wife kept her name. It's one thing I would change about her and our marriage if I could. It's embarrassing to me and makes me sad that we will never be able to send out Christmas cards from the (last name)


I kept my last name yet always send out Christmas cards from the “Smith” Family. I also tell my friends to go ahead and use my husbands name when sending things so I receive a lot of mail to the “Smith” family. I don’t care the my last name is not specifically mentioned on the card, wedding invite, etc. Socially we go by my husbands name and professionally I use my name. I also don’t have an issue being addressed as Mrs “Smith” by the kids teachers. If your wife has issues using your name socially then maybe it is time for a discussion to figure out why she is so adamant to not use your name. Her explanation may help you understand the issue but I am betting this is a control thing on your part if you are embarrassed by this. Honestly, this would be a huge red flag if my husband was embarrassed.

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Anonymous wrote:My first impression is -- awesome, that makes sense! Great to see another couple going this route.

We have different last names and are in the same professional field and it's been super convenient for it not to be obvious theat we are married (ie with recruiters). Who knew it would be so convenient.

Happily married. OTOH, my best friend changed her name and got divorced, major pain and she regrets changing.


I support every woman doing whatever she wants but this argument always struck me as bizarre. Divorce is a terrible messy painful experience for all involved. It involves boatloads of paperwork and heartbreak. How is the name issue what people take away from it?


Because it adds to the paperwork and heartache at an already difficult time. How is that hard to see? I mean it's not everything, but it's something. Not sure what is meant by "what people take away from it."
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Anonymous wrote:My first impression is -- awesome, that makes sense! Great to see another couple going this route.

We have different last names and are in the same professional field and it's been super convenient for it not to be obvious theat we are married (ie with recruiters). Who knew it would be so convenient.

Happily married. OTOH, my best friend changed her name and got divorced, major pain and she regrets changing.


I support every woman doing whatever she wants but this argument always struck me as bizarre. Divorce is a terrible messy painful experience for all involved. It involves boatloads of paperwork and heartbreak. How is the name issue what people take away from it?


Because it adds to the paperwork and heartache at an already difficult time. How is that hard to see? I mean it's not everything, but it's something. Not sure what is meant by "what people take away from it."


It seems like a weird reason to not do it. Like you have your foot out the door.

And I have no problem at all with people who keep their name, it's just a weird reason.
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Anonymous wrote:My first impression is -- awesome, that makes sense! Great to see another couple going this route.

We have different last names and are in the same professional field and it's been super convenient for it not to be obvious theat we are married (ie with recruiters). Who knew it would be so convenient.

Happily married. OTOH, my best friend changed her name and got divorced, major pain and she regrets changing.


I support every woman doing whatever she wants but this argument always struck me as bizarre. Divorce is a terrible messy painful experience for all involved. It involves boatloads of paperwork and heartbreak. How is the name issue what people take away from it?


Because it adds to the paperwork and heartache at an already difficult time. How is that hard to see? I mean it's not everything, but it's something. Not sure what is meant by "what people take away from it."


It seems like a weird reason to not do it. Like you have your foot out the door.

And I have no problem at all with people who keep their name, it's just a weird reason.


I can't see why you can't see that it's a big deal. It would be an enormous amount of paperwork and stress, every single time you go to any doctor or anywhere you need to tell them that you got divorced so your name is different now, possibly for years or decades (depending on the extent of your social life, professional life, medical life, etc). Alternatively, if you DON'T change your name back, then you need to be reminded of your ex and your potentially nasty divorce every time you write or say your own name or someone else says it. This wasn't the sole/main reason I decided to keep my own name, but I can imagine it playing a part for someone, especially someone who was on the fence. Think of it like insurance - a type of marriage insurance. Something to reduce your pain if your marriage doesn't work out, and it doesn't cost you a single thing.

It's pretty incredible that a woman should be seen as "having her foot out the door" for not doing something that men don't do either.
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Anonymous wrote:My first impression is -- awesome, that makes sense! Great to see another couple going this route.

We have different last names and are in the same professional field and it's been super convenient for it not to be obvious theat we are married (ie with recruiters). Who knew it would be so convenient.

Happily married. OTOH, my best friend changed her name and got divorced, major pain and she regrets changing.


I support every woman doing whatever she wants but this argument always struck me as bizarre. Divorce is a terrible messy painful experience for all involved. It involves boatloads of paperwork and heartbreak. How is the name issue what people take away from it?


Because it adds to the paperwork and heartache at an already difficult time. How is that hard to see? I mean it's not everything, but it's something. Not sure what is meant by "what people take away from it."


It seems like a weird reason to not do it. Like you have your foot out the door.

And I have no problem at all with people who keep their name, it's just a weird reason.


I can't see why you can't see that it's a big deal. It would be an enormous amount of paperwork and stress, every single time you go to any doctor or anywhere you need to tell them that you got divorced so your name is different now, possibly for years or decades (depending on the extent of your social life, professional life, medical life, etc). Alternatively, if you DON'T change your name back, then you need to be reminded of your ex and your potentially nasty divorce every time you write or say your own name or someone else says it. This wasn't the sole/main reason I decided to keep my own name, but I can imagine it playing a part for someone, especially someone who was on the fence. Think of it like insurance - a type of marriage insurance. Something to reduce your pain if your marriage doesn't work out, and it doesn't cost you a single thing.

It's pretty incredible that a woman should be seen as "having her foot out the door" for not doing something that men don't do either.


While your comment has changed my view on how difficult this would be for a divorcee it doesn't really change my overall thinking.

I think there are plenty of totally fine reasons to not change your name. But if, 'it will be easier if we divorce' is one of them yes it feels like a foot out the door.

I'm not a fan of prenups for the same reason.

If my husband told me he didn't want to combine finances because it would be hard if we divorced I would feel the same way.

Basically either partner doing anything to proactively prepare for the possibility of divorce is a foot out the door imo. Which sometimes is probably a good thing.
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Why are women expected to do it a show of commitment to the marriage and family, and love for their husbands? I don't know. Why are men expected to buy a ridiculously expensive engagement ring? I guess some traditions are just worth keeping, am I right, ladies?
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Anonymous wrote:Why are women expected to do it a show of commitment to the marriage and family, and love for their husbands? I don't know. Why are men expected to buy a ridiculously expensive engagement ring? I guess some traditions are just worth keeping, am I right, ladies?


No. My ring wasn’t more than our rent which was fine by me as I picked it out.
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Not all traditions are worth keeping.

I kept my name because it was mine. Ironically, it is my father’s last name and he split when I was six, but still, that name is part of my identity. I had it not only as a child and a teenager in my hometown, but as an adult through college and professional school and into the working world. I worked very hard to own it, and to have people associate positive traits with it, as they did with me as a person (separate from the name). I did not want to jettison that sense of identity and all the work and personal history that went with it. My spouse had no expectation that I’d take his name — we had one very brief discussion about it prior to our wedding, and that was that. My children have my husband’s name and so in my direct family line, my last name dies with me — nothing hyphenated, no middle names. The engagement ring, which wasn’t ridiculously expensive, serves as my wedding band too. Some traditions are simply relics; treasure to some, but by no means to all.
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I understand perfectly.
Some traditions, such as those cherished by women, are valid.
Some traditions, such as those cherished by men, are misogynistic and antiquated.

Many women (not any one specific woman but lots and lots of them, maybe even most) actually get a little embarrassed in front of other women if their man doesn't open the car door for them, or get down on one knee to propose, or buy a sufficiently large engagement ring. When they get together, women want to be able to tell other women about the romantic way their man proposed, even if the man makes himself look silly doing it for her. They love it when men publicly demonstrate love and commitment to them. It shows just how devoted they are and how strongly they are invested in the relationship. If a man won't buy a sufficiently large rock, he must not really love her or think she's worth it. Again, not talking about any one woman specifically, just lots and lots of other women out there.

When men embrace the tradition of wives adopting their name as a public show of unity and commitment to the relationship, it's sexist.

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I'd probably assume she was an established professional when they got married.

One exception that I remember was when the woman had a family name that was very well known and had incredible family wealth. She didn't work outside the home.
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Anonymous wrote:Why are women expected to do it a show of commitment to the marriage and family, and love for their husbands? I don't know. Why are men expected to buy a ridiculously expensive engagement ring? I guess some traditions are just worth keeping, am I right, ladies?


I kept my name and do not think it should be expected for men to buy engagement rings. My (now) DH did buy me a very modest one...cheaper then our rent 12 years ago. I didn’t really want it...as I had tried to tell him. I like and do just wear my band.

Though, I do see your logic that if a man springs for a ring that changing a wife’s name could be perceived as an similar show of commitment to the marriage.

FWIW...I don’t mind being occasionally referred to as “the Smiths” or “mrs. smith”....but if I get a letter addressed to “mr and mrs HisName Smith” I will push back.
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seriously? who is still flummoxed by this? my mother was given a hard time (by everyone) about keeping her name professionally as a physician in the late 1960s and early 1970s. other than the occasional daycare teacher over the age of 60, I'm pretty sure I've never noticed anyone blinking at me keeping my last name. nor do I necessarily even notice with other people.

I do recall having a conversation with a lawschool classmate, otherwise a pretty progressive fellow, who informed me (at the age of 22 or thereabout) that his (highly hypothetical future) wife would definitely take his name because that's the way his family did things. my eyebrows raised, I asked if maybe he didn't think he'd better meet her first, he shrugged, the subject was changed. so, I guess I knew you people were still out there.

But seriously, folks, this is certainly a tradition that some people hang on to and derive meaning from. Others just do it because it seems easier to them. Some do not do it as a point of principle. Others don't do it because it seems easier to them. Worry less about other people.
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Anonymous wrote:It makes thing harder. People, doctors and businesses assume you are not married. I know one couple where the wife was in an accident and the hospital/doctors would not allow the husband in the room/give info. Another couple were flying overseas, the airline over sold the main cabin and bumped the husband to first class but not the wife. Finances are not viewed as shared. Etc etc.


I've been married to my husband for almost 14 years, I kept my name (kids have his), and I have never had any problems such as these.


Me neither, and married 17 years.
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Anonymous wrote:I understand perfectly.
Some traditions, such as those cherished by women, are valid.
Some traditions, such as those cherished by men, are misogynistic and antiquated.

Many women (not any one specific woman but lots and lots of them, maybe even most) actually get a little embarrassed in front of other women if their man doesn't open the car door for them, or get down on one knee to propose, or buy a sufficiently large engagement ring. When they get together, women want to be able to tell other women about the romantic way their man proposed, even if the man makes himself look silly doing it for her. They love it when men publicly demonstrate love and commitment to them. It shows just how devoted they are and how strongly they are invested in the relationship. If a man won't buy a sufficiently large rock, he must not really love her or think she's worth it. Again, not talking about any one woman specifically, just lots and lots of other women out there.

When men embrace the tradition of wives adopting their name as a public show of unity and commitment to the relationship, it's sexist.



This post is right on the money.
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Anonymous wrote:I looked forward to taking my husband’s last name. I like the idea of a man being head of the household even though I am educated and have a nice career. My feeling is why throw the baby with the bath water? I enjoy having a relationship where I am both self-sufficient and protected. I also find it sexier. Androgyny is not sexy.


I think the issue is that what you consider the baby is what a lot of us consider the bathwater.

And it's fine to live a life where women are second to men. But just don't call it anything else.


I am family oriented, not self oriented. I am fully gratified and my kids are better off.


Really admirable that you stick to your family oriented beliefs even when judgemental women try to shame you for it. Keep it up PP


A last name has nothing to do with being family oriented.


I am actually the PP who said I was family oriented, and I agree. It is a fairly trivial thing. But apparently the poster who responded to me suggested that the idea of a man being the head of the household in this subtle way indicated that women are second to men. That cracked me up. To me, it is a responsibility more than a privilege to be the head of a household. And it doesn't imply that the wife doesn't work, is subservient, or even secondary. It is like the CEO and the COO being jointly responsible to shareholders in different capacities.


I'm a different poster in this thread, not PP, and I did change my name but I don't think they're wrong about the HOH thing. That is the language of misogyny. Because you can say its like the a CEO and a COO (although the CEO gets more prestige and deference) but what is your title? Co HOH?

My husband and I are a unit, there is no head of household. Even if I were a SAHM I wouldn't call my husband the HOH. He is the breadwinner in that scenario, but the term head of household implies some extra authority. The idea that they get to make the final call on things. And I'm not a fan of that, because that is not an egalitarian relationship. And relationships that aren't egalitarian are susceptible to abuse.


My husband and I are a unit too, but I disagree with your ideas about the HOH distinction. To me, it confers not only some extra authority but extra responsibility that I expect my husband to feel for our family. He has a more prestigious career than I do, and I'm fine with that. His prestige benefits me and my kids, and even though there are some perks for him, he is oriented around us and not only himself. Part of his willingness to put us first is due to the perks. That is how life works and how human nature works. I am a competent, educated, and responsible person with a good career, but I am not capable of having a "big" job and focusing on my kids at the same time. Frankly my husband is more capable than me when it comes to sheer ability. I am more than happy to give him HOH status in exchange for his willingness to happily and lovingly (no abuse) confer his status and resources on me and my kids. I am not worried about being taken advantage of because I could fend for myself if the sh*t hit the fan, and I do agree any woman should always be prepared for that.



I bolded all the parts of your post that speak to the fact that in your household your husband is seen as superior to you in one way or another. You guys are not on a equal playing field, which you seem to fully understand and embrace.

I am not going to criticize an individual woman for choosing a relationship like this if it makes them happy and they are going into it with their eyes wide open. But this is not the attitude that women should have when they are looking for a mate. Because this attitude can be very very easily turned into an abusive situation.

I believe personally that even if an overweight maid who got Cs in school (let's call her Mary) is married to a big law guy who looks like Ken (let's call him Ken), they should be equals in the relationship. Mary shouldn't have to walk around her whole life feeling like she lives with someone who's better than her. They are human beings, and so they are equal, nothing about Ken being more accomplished or better looking or perhaps more intelligent takes away from the fact that Mary is a human being who deserves exactly as much dignity and respect as Ken does. Mary can appreciate Ken for bringing a lot of money into their household, and love that he is ambitious. She can admire that he is better at being a lawyer then she could ever be. But Mary should also realize that perhaps she is a little kinder then Ken could ever be, that she is better at Sudoku puzzles or cooking or parenting or gardening and certainly better at cleaning than he will ever be.

What is your husband better at than you due to sheer ability? I think it is troubling that that sentence doesn't actually have a noun. You just say he's better than you. Not what it is that he is better at.

Your household is run with your husband being labeled superior. You're cool with that and he doesn't abuse you, so I'm not going to say there is anything wrong with your life. But you need to realize that it is a dangerous world view to have. There are a lot of bad men in the world.


A) Stop telling women what attitude they should or should not have
B) My husband is not superior to me, because we both assign a tremendous amount of value to my personal qualities. Lacking in self esteem I am not, and I would have no problem leaving my marriage if my husband stopped behaving appropriately, which he full well knows.


This is sick.. I truly hope you don’t have daughters to follow your example


I honestly don't understand the thinking that you can have a follower/leader dynamic AND not have one person considered better than the other. This thinking that the man is naturally the HOH and the woman follows his instructions may work for some people and i WANT to say that hey, you do you if that's what you like. But I don't get how it's not an inequal relationship. Sincerely interested if someone can explain.
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