Do you consider redshirting cheating?

[Anonymous]

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Of course there are 6 year olds turning 7 in K, just as there are 5 year olds turning 6.

OP may be concerned with her August/September birthday child, but generally, the concern about redshirting is the children with spring and summer birthdays.

Ok, but in that case, there aren't any 4-year-olds.

There are also aren't any 20-year-olds graduating from high school -- another DCUM phantom redshirting menace. If you delay entry to kindergarten for a year, you graduate from high school when you're 18 or 19.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course there are 6 year olds turning 7 in K, just as there are 5 year olds turning 6.

OP may be concerned with her August/September birthday child, but generally, the concern about redshirting is the children with spring and summer birthdays.

Ok, but in that case, there aren't any 4-year-olds.

There are also aren't any 20-year-olds graduating from high school -- another DCUM phantom redshirting menace. If you delay entry to kindergarten for a year, you graduate from high school when you're 18 or 19.

Yes, my September birthday DS was 4 when he started K in Virginia.

[Anonymous]

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I thought the party line with DCUM anti-redshirt posters was that all redshirted kids were dumb and redshirting didn't matter. But here you are all worried about how it's an advantage, so much so that doing it is cheating (never mind that most school districts freely allow it).

Pick a lane. Honestly sometimes I think the DCUM anti-redshirt crowd should learn basic logic skills as they seem to be sorely lacking.

No, you silly PP. Never have the DCUM anti-redshirt posters taken the position that redshirting doesn't matter. After all, if it didn't matter, why bother being a DCUM anti-redshirt poster? The party line of the DCUM anti-redshirt posters is that all redshirted kids are dumb AND ALSO advanced (unfairly, of course). I don't understand how this is possible, but there it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course there are 6 year olds turning 7 in K, just as there are 5 year olds turning 6.

OP may be concerned with her August/September birthday child, but generally, the concern about redshirting is the children with spring and summer birthdays.

Ok, but in that case, there aren't any 4-year-olds.

There are also aren't any 20-year-olds graduating from high school -- another DCUM phantom redshirting menace. If you delay entry to kindergarten for a year, you graduate from high school when you're 18 or 19.

Yes, my September birthday DS was 4 when he started K in Virginia.

And then he turned 5 less than 30 days later. And none of the kids in his class were 6 when they started K, because kids with September birthdays who start kindergarten a year late in Virginia, start when they are 5.

[Anonymous]

My redshirted DD is off to Yale next year - BYE BITCHES!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, many lawyers and CEO's like my husband who frankly don't know a thing about appropriate development for a 5 year old. That's why this is a bizarre choice to leave up to parents. As the numbers show, either rich kids are slower, or this practice has a perceived advantage. If it didn't you'd see the redshirting option applied equally across the board.

Look, its not a big deal to admit that you want advantages for your child or that you have fears or worries about their potential.

This again!!! Of course I was worried they wouldn’t succeed as the youngest!!! That’s why I did it. What is wrong with you?

Nothing. Some think that taking an advantage that others can't take is cheating. I don't care what you call it but you seem totally perplexed why seeking an advantage by holding your child back is viewed as cheating.

I thought the party line with DCUM anti-redshirt posters was that all redshirted kids were dumb and redshirting didn't matter. But here you are all worried about how it's an advantage, so much so that doing it is cheating (never mind that most school districts freely allow it).

Pick a lane. Honestly sometimes I think the DCUM anti-redshirt crowd should learn basic logic skills as they seem to be sorely lacking.

Ha ha, this exactly. Hard to see how the so-called giant idiots are getting any advantage if they are as slow and poorly behaved as the anti-red shifters complain. If anything, they should be making the short geniuses shine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course there are 6 year olds turning 7 in K, just as there are 5 year olds turning 6.

OP may be concerned with her August/September birthday child, but generally, the concern about redshirting is the children with spring and summer birthdays.

Ok, but in that case, there aren't any 4-year-olds.

There are also aren't any 20-year-olds graduating from high school -- another DCUM phantom redshirting menace. If you delay entry to kindergarten for a year, you graduate from high school when you're 18 or 19.

Yes, my September birthday DS was 4 when he started K in Virginia.

And then he turned 5 less than 30 days later. And none of the kids in his class were 6 when they started K, because kids with September birthdays who start kindergarten a year late in Virginia, start when they are 5.

It's true that no kindergartners are 4 and 7 at the same time, generally. But there are certainly kindergartners who are 5 and 7 at the same time, in the same class together.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course there are 6 year olds turning 7 in K, just as there are 5 year olds turning 6.

OP may be concerned with her August/September birthday child, but generally, the concern about redshirting is the children with spring and summer birthdays.

Ok, but in that case, there aren't any 4-year-olds.

There are also aren't any 20-year-olds graduating from high school -- another DCUM phantom redshirting menace. If you delay entry to kindergarten for a year, you graduate from high school when you're 18 or 19.

Yes, my September birthday DS was 4 when he started K in Virginia.

And then he turned 5 less than 30 days later. And none of the kids in his class were 6 when they started K, because kids with September birthdays who start kindergarten a year late in Virginia, start when they are 5.

It's true that no kindergartners are 4 and 7 at the same time, generally. But there are certainly kindergartners who are 5 and 7 at the same time, in the same class together.

How is this possible? My DD (redshirted) turned 6 on August 23rd which was the at before (or after) she started kindergarten. There were a few kids who tunrned 6 right after her and some that turned 6 in the spring/early summer. Nobody turned 7 until July. I doubt there are many redshirted kids that were born before June/July. This is in DC private school where cutoff is sept 1st

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course there are 6 year olds turning 7 in K, just as there are 5 year olds turning 6.

OP may be concerned with her August/September birthday child, but generally, the concern about redshirting is the children with spring and summer birthdays.

Ok, but in that case, there aren't any 4-year-olds.

There are also aren't any 20-year-olds graduating from high school -- another DCUM phantom redshirting menace. If you delay entry to kindergarten for a year, you graduate from high school when you're 18 or 19.

Yes, my September birthday DS was 4 when he started K in Virginia.

And then he turned 5 less than 30 days later. And none of the kids in his class were 6 when they started K, because kids with September birthdays who start kindergarten a year late in Virginia, start when they are 5.

It's true that no kindergartners are 4 and 7 at the same time, generally. But there are certainly kindergartners who are 5 and 7 at the same time, in the same class together.

How is this possible? My DD (redshirted) turned 6 on August 23rd which was the at before (or after) she started kindergarten. There were a few kids who tunrned 6 right after her and some that turned 6 in the spring/early summer. Nobody turned 7 until July. I doubt there are many redshirted kids that were born before June/July. This is in DC private school where cutoff is sept 1st

Let's take PP's example with the Virginia cutoff of September 30. If you start a year late, and if your birthday is between October 1 and the last day of school in June, then you will turn 7 in kindergarten.

But that doesn't mean that the 7-year-olds are actually 2 years older than the 5-year-olds, except maybe for the delayed-entry kid whose birthday is October 1 compared to the on-time kid whose birthday is September 30.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course there are 6 year olds turning 7 in K, just as there are 5 year olds turning 6.

OP may be concerned with her August/September birthday child, but generally, the concern about redshirting is the children with spring and summer birthdays.

Ok, but in that case, there aren't any 4-year-olds.

There are also aren't any 20-year-olds graduating from high school -- another DCUM phantom redshirting menace. If you delay entry to kindergarten for a year, you graduate from high school when you're 18 or 19.

Yes, my September birthday DS was 4 when he started K in Virginia.

And then he turned 5 less than 30 days later. And none of the kids in his class were 6 when they started K, because kids with September birthdays who start kindergarten a year late in Virginia, start when they are 5.

It's true that no kindergartners are 4 and 7 at the same time, generally. But there are certainly kindergartners who are 5 and 7 at the same time, in the same class together.

How is this possible? My DD (redshirted) turned 6 on August 23rd which was the at before (or after) she started kindergarten. There were a few kids who tunrned 6 right after her and some that turned 6 in the spring/early summer. Nobody turned 7 until July. I doubt there are many redshirted kids that were born before June/July. This is in DC private school where cutoff is sept 1st

Let's take PP's example with the Virginia cutoff of September 30. If you start a year late, and if your birthday is between October 1 and the last day of school in June, then you will turn 7 in kindergarten.

But that doesn't mean that the 7-year-olds are actually 2 years older than the 5-year-olds, except maybe for the delayed-entry kid whose birthday is October 1 compared to the on-time kid whose birthday is September 30.

I get that, but it’s not likely there will be any redshirted kid with a birthday before school ends at the beginning of June

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course there are 6 year olds turning 7 in K, just as there are 5 year olds turning 6.

OP may be concerned with her August/September birthday child, but generally, the concern about redshirting is the children with spring and summer birthdays.

Ok, but in that case, there aren't any 4-year-olds.

There are also aren't any 20-year-olds graduating from high school -- another DCUM phantom redshirting menace. If you delay entry to kindergarten for a year, you graduate from high school when you're 18 or 19.

Yes, my September birthday DS was 4 when he started K in Virginia.

And then he turned 5 less than 30 days later. And none of the kids in his class were 6 when they started K, because kids with September birthdays who start kindergarten a year late in Virginia, start when they are 5.

It's true that no kindergartners are 4 and 7 at the same time, generally. But there are certainly kindergartners who are 5 and 7 at the same time, in the same class together.

How is this possible? My DD (redshirted) turned 6 on August 23rd which was the at before (or after) she started kindergarten. There were a few kids who tunrned 6 right after her and some that turned 6 in the spring/early summer. Nobody turned 7 until July. I doubt there are many redshirted kids that were born before June/July. This is in DC private school where cutoff is sept 1st

Let's take PP's example with the Virginia cutoff of September 30. If you start a year late, and if your birthday is between October 1 and the last day of school in June, then you will turn 7 in kindergarten.

But that doesn't mean that the 7-year-olds are actually 2 years older than the 5-year-olds, except maybe for the delayed-entry kid whose birthday is October 1 compared to the on-time kid whose birthday is September 30.

I get that, but it’s not likely there will be any redshirted kid with a birthday before school ends at the beginning of June

I feel like July/June/ earlier redshirted kids are the exception. DCUM always treats it like SO many 7 Kindergarteners are out there, but at least in public, I don’t see it. As for late September children, they are just days/months older than most of their classmates. It isreally insignificant for most of the other children, but can make a big difference for the redshirted child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course there are 6 year olds turning 7 in K, just as there are 5 year olds turning 6.

OP may be concerned with her August/September birthday child, but generally, the concern about redshirting is the children with spring and summer birthdays.

Ok, but in that case, there aren't any 4-year-olds.

There are also aren't any 20-year-olds graduating from high school -- another DCUM phantom redshirting menace. If you delay entry to kindergarten for a year, you graduate from high school when you're 18 or 19.

Yes, my September birthday DS was 4 when he started K in Virginia.

And then he turned 5 less than 30 days later. And none of the kids in his class were 6 when they started K, because kids with September birthdays who start kindergarten a year late in Virginia, start when they are 5.

It's true that no kindergartners are 4 and 7 at the same time, generally. But there are certainly kindergartners who are 5 and 7 at the same time, in the same class together.

How is this possible? My DD (redshirted) turned 6 on August 23rd which was the at before (or after) she started kindergarten. There were a few kids who tunrned 6 right after her and some that turned 6 in the spring/early summer. Nobody turned 7 until July. I doubt there are many redshirted kids that were born before June/July. This is in DC private school where cutoff is sept 1st

In my son's kindergarten class, someone just turned 7 and another one will turn 7 in May. On the younger end, one student turned 5 in late Sept (Sept cutoff). I don't much care. I assume that there were reasons that the two oldest kids were not sent earlier. None of my business and my child is doing great.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I thought the party line with DCUM anti-redshirt posters was that all redshirted kids were dumb and redshirting didn't matter. But here you are all worried about how it's an advantage, so much so that doing it is cheating (never mind that most school districts freely allow it).

Pick a lane. Honestly sometimes I think the DCUM anti-redshirt crowd should learn basic logic skills as they seem to be sorely lacking.

No, you silly PP. Never have the DCUM anti-redshirt posters taken the position that redshirting doesn't matter. After all, if it didn't matter, why bother being a DCUM anti-redshirt poster? The party line of the DCUM anti-redshirt posters is that all redshirted kids are dumb AND ALSO advanced (unfairly, of course). I don't understand how this is possible, but there it is.

Well they were lacking and then their parents decided to give them an age advantage to make them competitive with kids 20% younger. That's confusing to you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Of course there are 6 year olds turning 7 in K, just as there are 5 year olds turning 6.

OP may be concerned with her August/September birthday child, but generally, the concern about redshirting is the children with spring and summer birthdays.

Ok, but in that case, there aren't any 4-year-olds.

There are also aren't any 20-year-olds graduating from high school -- another DCUM phantom redshirting menace. If you delay entry to kindergarten for a year, you graduate from high school when you're 18 or 19.

Yes, my September birthday DS was 4 when he started K in Virginia.

And then he turned 5 less than 30 days later. And none of the kids in his class were 6 when they started K, because kids with September birthdays who start kindergarten a year late in Virginia, start when they are 5.

It's true that no kindergartners are 4 and 7 at the same time, generally. But there are certainly kindergartners who are 5 and 7 at the same time, in the same class together.

How is this possible? My DD (redshirted) turned 6 on August 23rd which was the at before (or after) she started kindergarten. There were a few kids who tunrned 6 right after her and some that turned 6 in the spring/early summer. Nobody turned 7 until July. I doubt there are many redshirted kids that were born before June/July. This is in DC private school where cutoff is sept 1st

Let's take PP's example with the Virginia cutoff of September 30. If you start a year late, and if your birthday is between October 1 and the last day of school in June, then you will turn 7 in kindergarten.

But that doesn't mean that the 7-year-olds are actually 2 years older than the 5-year-olds, except maybe for the delayed-entry kid whose birthday is October 1 compared to the on-time kid whose birthday is September 30.

I get that, but it’s not likely there will be any redshirted kid with a birthday before school ends at the beginning of June

I feel like July/June/ earlier redshirted kids are the exception. DCUM always treats it like SO many 7 Kindergarteners are out there, but at least in public, I don’t see it. As for late September children, they are just days/months older than most of their classmates. It isreally insignificant for most of the other children, but can make a big difference for the redshirted child.

I thought that as well, until I had a child born in may. 85% of his "early 4's" preschool went on to a "5's" full day program instead of K. These kids were born April-June with a Sept 1 cutoff.

I absolutely get why those who make the decision for their child are defensive. I'm not worried about your decision and I have no doubt that it might help your child. I think that my strong feelings on the subject come from being in an area where this has become de rigueur. At 5% does the practice of redshirting change anything for everyone else? Probably not. But having been in a school where it was 85%, I feel very differently. I hope that makes sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Of course there are 6 year olds turning 7 in K, just as there are 5 year olds turning 6.

OP may be concerned with her August/September birthday child, but generally, the concern about redshirting is the children with spring and summer birthdays.

Ok, but in that case, there aren't any 4-year-olds.

There are also aren't any 20-year-olds graduating from high school -- another DCUM phantom redshirting menace. If you delay entry to kindergarten for a year, you graduate from high school when you're 18 or 19.

Yes, my September birthday DS was 4 when he started K in Virginia.

And then he turned 5 less than 30 days later. And none of the kids in his class were 6 when they started K, because kids with September birthdays who start kindergarten a year late in Virginia, start when they are 5.

It's true that no kindergartners are 4 and 7 at the same time, generally. But there are certainly kindergartners who are 5 and 7 at the same time, in the same class together.

How is this possible? My DD (redshirted) turned 6 on August 23rd which was the at before (or after) she started kindergarten. There were a few kids who tunrned 6 right after her and some that turned 6 in the spring/early summer. Nobody turned 7 until July. I doubt there are many redshirted kids that were born before June/July. This is in DC private school where cutoff is sept 1st

Let's take PP's example with the Virginia cutoff of September 30. If you start a year late, and if your birthday is between October 1 and the last day of school in June, then you will turn 7 in kindergarten.

But that doesn't mean that the 7-year-olds are actually 2 years older than the 5-year-olds, except maybe for the delayed-entry kid whose birthday is October 1 compared to the on-time kid whose birthday is September 30.

I get that, but it’s not likely there will be any redshirted kid with a birthday before school ends at the beginning of June

I feel like July/June/ earlier redshirted kids are the exception. DCUM always treats it like SO many 7 Kindergarteners are out there, but at least in public, I don’t see it. As for late September children, they are just days/months older than most of their classmates. It isreally insignificant for most of the other children, but can make a big difference for the redshirted child.

I thought that as well, until I had a child born in may. 85% of his "early 4's" preschool went on to a "5's" full day program instead of K. These kids were born April-June with a Sept 1 cutoff.

I absolutely get why those who make the decision for their child are defensive. I'm not worried about your decision and I have no doubt that it might help your child. I think that my strong feelings on the subject come from being in an area where this has become de rigueur. At 5% does the practice of redshirting change anything for everyone else? Probably not. But having been in a school where it was 85%, I feel very differently. I hope that makes sense.

I agree with this. In my DD preschool all kids born after may/June were redshirted. That helped us make the decision to redshirt our late August birthday girl.