That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Getting so drunk that someone else has to explain what happened to you should be a wake up call to this woman. She clearly has a drinking problem and needs to get a handle on it. Keeping your younger sister company at a frat party is just plain stupid. She clearly went through college and just can't let go or act her age. No, I'm not excusing his act of rape, but I do think that accountability has to be met by all parties involved. Women need to think about their actions,and anticipate possible outcomes, if they are to protect themselves.

Wow lots of assumptions there. I've gotten that drunk before (when in my 20s) and do not have a drinking problem. I've barely even had a drink since having kids in 2007. And what's wrong with going to a party with your sister??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Getting so drunk that someone else has to explain what happened to you should be a wake up call to this woman. She clearly has a drinking problem and needs to get a handle on it. Keeping your younger sister company at a frat party is just plain stupid. She clearly went through college and just can't let go or act her age. No, I'm not excusing his act of rape, but I do think that accountability has to be met by all parties involved. Women need to think about their actions,and anticipate possible outcomes, if they are to protect themselves.

Wow lots of assumptions there. I've gotten that drunk before (when in my 20s) and do not have a drinking problem. I've barely even had a drink since having kids in 2007. And what's wrong with going to a party with your sister??

She went to a party where she had multiple shots and had a history of blacking out while drinking. That's a drinking problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This case is disgusting to me, in pretty much every way.

The survivor has shared her perspective. Read the entire impact statement if you are interested in her insight. It is not "regret" speaking but sexual trauma.

But he didn't do that. This is a situation where the victim was not able to give consent. The assault was broken up by TWO witnesses unknown to either the victim or the perpetrator. A rape kit was done. This isn't a case of he said/she said, and the jury agreed with that assessment. This man was found guilty of three felony charges, which he still denies. If he had been found guilty of those charges and, at his sentencing hearing, he had spoken about his remorse and admitted responsibility for his actions, I would be a lot more sympathetic to the impact on his life.

As for the people saying that we should teach our children about safety, I completely agree. I think that what we should be focusing on in this situation, if we are teaching our children about safety, is that two strangers stopped to investigate something that seemed off to them. We should be teaching our children that, in addition to paying attention to their own safety, if they are concerned that someone is being hurt, they should stop and investigate, or call 911, or both, rather than just walking by.

If you see something, say something, right?

good post. yes we should teach them to pay attention if someone else is being hurt or appears to be. good thing those 2 guys came along. or she might just have woken up alone behind the dumpster with no idea what happened

PP here. I will say for the record that I think that discussions about personal safety in situations like this is a complete red herring. If she had gotten drunk at a party and lost her purse, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. If she had gotten drunk at a party and gotten into an argument with her boyfriend, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. That's not what happened. She got drunk at a party and was sexually assaulted behind a dumpster by someone she did not know. That is a CRIME and discussing what SHE did wrong should be so fucking far down on the list of things to talk about that it's barely visible. [b]

He should be on the sex offender registry list. He is a sex offender. That is what we call people who sexually assault people. "Sexual assault" is what we call "removing the clothing of a drunk stranger and touching them sexually when they are[b] unconscious." The jury thought so. Why didn't the sentencing judge?

There isn't one person on this thread who disagrees with you that what that boy did was a crime. Not one person. But when do we ever discuss what she did wrong so that it can not be duplicated in the future? If your response is Never, well stuff like this will continue to happen. Rapist there will always be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What Brock did to this woman is awful and his and his father's actions and statements make them nothing less than monsters. The good news is Brock's life is ruined. His swimming career is over, he will not get a degree from Stanford or any other decent school or a decent job, nobody will date him, and everyone knows who he is now. For the rest of his life when someone googles him this will all come up. The judge did not do his job and give him an appropriate sentence but the media did.

Websites like this, which I suspect is his father's, only make people hate him more. https://m.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/

Survivor here. That facebook page is absolutely horrific. If you have experienced sexual assault/abuse/rape, I suggest you don't click on the link.

I did, unfortunately. Now that he's A FELON, I think Facebook should take it down. I'm torn between reporting it as additional abuse of the victim and sharing it so others can post their criticism in comments. Internet infamy still isn't enough punishment for this guy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Getting so drunk that someone else has to explain what happened to you should be a wake up call to this woman. She clearly has a drinking problem and needs to get a handle on it. Keeping your younger sister company at a frat party is just plain stupid. She clearly went through college and just can't let go or act her age. No, I'm not excusing his act of rape, but I do think that accountability has to be met by all parties involved. Women need to think about their actions,and anticipate possible outcomes, if they are to protect themselves.

Wow lots of assumptions there. I've gotten that drunk before (when in my 20s) and do not have a drinking problem. I've barely even had a drink since having kids in 2007. And what's wrong with going to a party with your sister??

She went to a party where she had multiple shots and had a history of blacking out while drinking. That's a drinking problem.

where is this "history of blackouts" coming from?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Getting so drunk that someone else has to explain what happened to you should be a wake up call to this woman. She clearly has a drinking problem and needs to get a handle on it. Keeping your younger sister company at a frat party is just plain stupid. She clearly went through college and just can't let go or act her age. No, I'm not excusing his act of rape, but I do think that accountability has to be met by all parties involved. Women need to think about their actions,and anticipate possible outcomes, if they are to protect themselves.

Wow lots of assumptions there. I've gotten that drunk before (when in my 20s) and do not have a drinking problem. I've barely even had a drink since having kids in 2007. And what's wrong with going to a party with your sister??

She went to a party where she had multiple shots and had a history of blacking out while drinking. That's a drinking problem.

Have you ever met a college student?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Getting so drunk that someone else has to explain what happened to you should be a wake up call to this woman. She clearly has a drinking problem and needs to get a handle on it. Keeping your younger sister company at a frat party is just plain stupid. She clearly went through college and just can't let go or act her age. No, I'm not excusing his act of rape, but I do think that accountability has to be met by all parties involved. Women need to think about their actions,and anticipate possible outcomes, if they are to protect themselves.

I would really appreciate if it could be 2 conversations. One conversation with the subject "Brock Turner: the sex offender" and one conversation with the subject "Personal safety strategies when socializing."

I think that women should be taught self-defense from a very early age. This is one reason my daughter is in aikido and not ballet: the chances of her being attacked in her life are high enough that giving her some basic self-defense tactics seems like a valuable activity. She is 7, so in a few years, we will have a conversation about drinking and boys. During that conversation, we can talk about how to stay safe, how she can ALWAYS call me, and how I will ALWAYS come get her if she needs me to. At no point in that conversation will I suggest that if something awful happens to her, it's because she forgot her martial arts training, or forgot my instruction to pour her own drinks and to stay with a buddy always, she didn't call me, or anything else.

It's two conversations. In one conversation, we empower our children to stay safe. In the other, we condemn the actions of someone who violated another person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Getting so drunk that someone else has to explain what happened to you should be a wake up call to this woman. She clearly has a drinking problem and needs to get a handle on it. Keeping your younger sister company at a frat party is just plain stupid. She clearly went through college and just can't let go or act her age. No, I'm not excusing his act of rape, but I do think that accountability has to be met by all parties involved. Women need to think about their actions,and anticipate possible outcomes, if they are to protect themselves.

Wow lots of assumptions there. I've gotten that drunk before (when in my 20s) and do not have a drinking problem. I've barely even had a drink since having kids in 2007. And what's wrong with going to a party with your sister??

She went to a party where she had multiple shots and had a history of blacking out while drinking. That's a drinking problem.

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wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those swedish grad students who found her and tackled him to call the cops are heros. guardian angels.

The part of her letter where she says she has taped a picture of two bicycles over her bed to remind her that there are good people in the world made me cry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This case is disgusting to me, in pretty much every way.

The survivor has shared her perspective. Read the entire impact statement if you are interested in her insight. It is not "regret" speaking but sexual trauma.

But he didn't do that. This is a situation where the victim was not able to give consent. The assault was broken up by TWO witnesses unknown to either the victim or the perpetrator. A rape kit was done. This isn't a case of he said/she said, and the jury agreed with that assessment. This man was found guilty of three felony charges, which he still denies. If he had been found guilty of those charges and, at his sentencing hearing, he had spoken about his remorse and admitted responsibility for his actions, I would be a lot more sympathetic to the impact on his life.

As for the people saying that we should teach our children about safety, I completely agree. I think that what we should be focusing on in this situation, if we are teaching our children about safety, is that two strangers stopped to investigate something that seemed off to them. We should be teaching our children that, in addition to paying attention to their own safety, if they are concerned that someone is being hurt, they should stop and investigate, or call 911, or both, rather than just walking by.

If you see something, say something, right?

good post. yes we should teach them to pay attention if someone else is being hurt or appears to be. good thing those 2 guys came along. or she might just have woken up alone behind the dumpster with no idea what happened

PP here. I will say for the record that I think that discussions about personal safety in situations like this is a complete red herring. If she had gotten drunk at a party and lost her purse, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. If she had gotten drunk at a party and gotten into an argument with her boyfriend, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. That's not what happened. She got drunk at a party and was sexually assaulted behind a dumpster by someone she did not know. That is a CRIME and discussing what SHE did wrong should be so fucking far down on the list of things to talk about that it's barely visible. [b]

He should be on the sex offender registry list. He is a sex offender. That is what we call people who sexually assault people. "Sexual assault" is what we call "removing the clothing of a drunk stranger and touching them sexually when they are[b] unconscious." The jury thought so. Why didn't the sentencing judge?

There isn't one person on this thread who disagrees with you that what that boy did was a crime. Not one person. But when do we ever discuss what she did wrong so that it can not be duplicated in the future? If your response is Never, well stuff like this will continue to happen. Rapist there will always be.

We don't. Because it's completely fucked up to say, "Yes, he's a rapist, but she did X and Y wrong and was therefore complicit."

Stuff like this stops happening when "what she did wrong" stops being part of a conversation about felony sexual assault.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Getting so drunk that someone else has to explain what happened to you should be a wake up call to this woman. She clearly has a drinking problem and needs to get a handle on it. Keeping your younger sister company at a frat party is just plain stupid. She clearly went through college and just can't let go or act her age. No, I'm not excusing his act of rape, but I do think that accountability has to be met by all parties involved. Women need to think about their actions,and anticipate possible outcomes, if they are to protect themselves.

Wow lots of assumptions there. I've gotten that drunk before (when in my 20s) and do not have a drinking problem. I've barely even had a drink since having kids in 2007. And what's wrong with going to a party with your sister??

She went to a party where she had multiple shots and had a history of blacking out while drinking. That's a drinking problem.

Have you ever met a college student?

seriously.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Getting so drunk that someone else has to explain what happened to you should be a wake up call to this woman. She clearly has a drinking problem and needs to get a handle on it. Keeping your younger sister company at a frat party is just plain stupid. She clearly went through college and just can't let go or act her age. No, I'm not excusing his act of rape, but I do think that accountability has to be met by all parties involved. Women need to think about their actions,and anticipate possible outcomes, if they are to protect themselves.

I would really appreciate if it could be 2 conversations. One conversation with the subject "Brock Turner: the sex offender" and one conversation with the subject "Personal safety strategies when socializing."

I think that women should be taught self-defense from a very early age. This is one reason my daughter is in aikido and not ballet: the chances of her being attacked in her life are high enough that giving her some basic self-defense tactics seems like a valuable activity. She is 7, so in a few years, we will have a conversation about drinking and boys. During that conversation, we can talk about how to stay safe, how she can ALWAYS call me, and how I will ALWAYS come get her if she needs me to. At no point in that conversation will I suggest that if something awful happens to her, it's because she forgot her martial arts training, or forgot my instruction to pour her own drinks and to stay with a buddy always, she didn't call me, or anything else.

It's two conversations. In one conversation, we empower our children to stay safe. In the other, we condemn the actions of someone who violated another person.

thank you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Getting so drunk that someone else has to explain what happened to you should be a wake up call to this woman. She clearly has a drinking problem and needs to get a handle on it. Keeping your younger sister company at a frat party is just plain stupid. She clearly went through college and just can't let go or act her age. No, I'm not excusing his act of rape, but I do think that accountability has to be met by all parties involved. Women need to think about their actions,and anticipate possible outcomes, if they are to protect themselves.

Wow lots of assumptions there. I've gotten that drunk before (when in my 20s) and do not have a drinking problem. I've barely even had a drink since having kids in 2007. And what's wrong with going to a party with your sister??

She went to a party where she had multiple shots and had a history of blacking out while drinking. That's a drinking problem.

Have you ever met a college student?

We aren't talking about this case because there is a woman in California who may have a drinking problem. We're talking about it because a man raped a woman who was unconscious. Whatever led to her loss of consciousness is really irrelevant. If she took cold medicine and he rapes her it's still rape, if she bumped her head it's still rape. I guarantee if Brock passed out and someone digitally raped him his daddy would be singing a different tune. That guy almost makes me feel bad for the kid, almost.

[Anonymous]

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Facts are pretty horrible things. She can't get that stinking drunk, and then complain about not being able to physically fend for herself. He didn't pour the liquor down her throat. She drank it herself. She made HERSELF vulnerable. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Okay, so if you leave your back door unlocked and a burglar comes into your house and takes all of your valuables, does that no longer make him a criminal?

The question is one of whether we live in a society where we should expect to be victims of crimes and live accordingly or the reverse. Yes, it's prudent to lock your front door, but when you get robbed the only person the police will be blaming is the person is the burglar. Rape is one of the only crimes where the onus seems to be on the victim to prove that s/he's done everything in their power to prevent the crime before people are willing to concede that maybe the perpetrator actually committed a crime. Imagine a world where it's common to say, "Well, the homeowner obviously wanted to have all of their valuables taken from their house. They left their back door unlocked, and they didn't have an alarm system or choose to live in a neighborhood with an active Neighborhood Watch." That's what the world is like for rape victims.

My home was burglarized. when the cops came, one of them looked at the alarm pad and asked if the alarm went off. I told him that the alarm had been off during the burglary. He gave me a weird look and shook his head. Yes, I felt quite unfavorably judged at that moment in time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Facts are pretty horrible things. She can't get that stinking drunk, and then complain about not being able to physically fend for herself. He didn't pour the liquor down her throat. She drank it herself. She made HERSELF vulnerable. It sucks, but it is what it is.

Okay, so if you leave your back door unlocked and a burglar comes into your house and takes all of your valuables, does that no longer make him a criminal?

The question is one of whether we live in a society where we should expect to be victims of crimes and live accordingly or the reverse. Yes, it's prudent to lock your front door, but when you get robbed the only person the police will be blaming is the person is the burglar. Rape is one of the only crimes where the onus seems to be on the victim to prove that s/he's done everything in their power to prevent the crime before people are willing to concede that maybe the perpetrator actually committed a crime. Imagine a world where it's common to say, "Well, the homeowner obviously wanted to have all of their valuables taken from their house. They left their back door unlocked, and they didn't have an alarm system or choose to live in a neighborhood with an active Neighborhood Watch." That's what the world is like for rape victims.

My home was burglarized. when the cops came, one of them looked at the alarm pad and asked if the alarm went off. I told him that the alarm had been off during the burglary. He gave me a weird look and shook his head. Yes, I felt quite unfavorably judged at that moment in time.

When they found the guys did they ask you a million embarrassing questions then let them off with a slap on the wrist because of your negligence?