GT/AAP Appeals WISC Scores

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:shouldn't be, perhaps. But it is what it is. Sorry, I don't see how that is snotty. I mean what would all the for-profit testers do if people couldn't submit a WISC after their kids bombed the CigAT and GBRS? Have you no heart?

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:shouldn't be, perhaps. But it is what it is. Sorry, I don't see how that is snotty. I mean what would all the for-profit testers do if people couldn't submit a WISC after their kids bombed the CigAT and GBRS? Have you no heart?

oops. CogAt

Arguments could go both ways on this and I guess the county is fair enough to realize both sides. GBRS is pure subjective measurement on how the teacher feels about your child at the end of the day. yes I know it is "supposed" to be fair and pure academic but one could argue most of those kids whose mom "volunteered" get high GBRS vs. those working moms who could never meet with the teacher except for parent teacher conference. Specially, when your child is bright and doing good the chances are you never meet the teacher except for that one time meeting one month into the school year. So low GBRS AND high WISC IQ score is the result. What is fair, IMO, is how much you are willing to fight for it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:yes they are buying their way in. and what about people, and I hope there are more than a few of them, who have problems with this from an ethical standpoint? is it fair that I can essentially afford to overrule a no decision for my child, while other parents might not have the means to, or even know it's a possibility? This is not how you pull a class of the best and brightest together.

As stated above, GMU does offer reduced pricing for families eligible for free and reduced-price lunch. For those not in such need, they should be able to make choices enabling themselves to have the WISC done if it is a priority to them. FCPS already pays for the NNAT and CogAT/FxAT, and covers staff time for the completion of the GBRS by a team. There is definitely inequality in our society, but it isn't limited to the WISC. For example, some children not taking piano lessons may be musical geniuses with the aptitude to be internationally recognized concert pianists, but their families cannot afford (either literally or based on priorities) a piano or lessons. So these children live their lives with their potential unrealized. A year of piano lessons costs WAY more than the WISC -- about four times more -- but piano lessons seem commonplace in many of our FCPS communities.

I think that parents to whom AAP is extremely important will find out what to do if they need to appeal. We were fortunate to receive an eligibility letter, but does the ineligibility letter not contain directions on what to do in order to appeal? No link to webpage with appeal instructions and suggestion to take WISC?

I agree it could seem unfair that some parents don't know enough to advocate for their child, but the children are probably at a disadvantage in other ways as well. Parents may not have sought opportunities for their children in sports, music, dance. Potential goes unrealized. Getting into AAP is just one hurdle. How will children fare if their parents aren't savvy or resourceful enough to save for their college educations, get them any SAT prep needed, help them with college applications? It is impossible to make opportunities completely equal for all children, although we can try and I agree that we should try as far as opportunities related to public school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:yes they are buying their way in. and what about people, and I hope there are more than a few of them, who have problems with this from an ethical standpoint? is it fair that I can essentially afford to overrule a no decision for my child, while other parents might not have the means to, or even know it's a possibility? This is not how you pull a class of the best and brightest together.

As stated above, GMU does offer reduced pricing for families eligible for free and reduced-price lunch. For those not in such need, they should be able to make choices enabling themselves to have the WISC done if it is a priority to them. FCPS already pays for the NNAT and CogAT/FxAT, and covers staff time for the completion of the GBRS by a team. There is definitely inequality in our society, but it isn't limited to the WISC. For example, some children not taking piano lessons may be musical geniuses with the aptitude to be internationally recognized concert pianists, but their families cannot afford (either literally or based on priorities) a piano or lessons. So these children live their lives with their potential unrealized. A year of piano lessons costs WAY more than the WISC -- about four times more -- but piano lessons seem commonplace in many of our FCPS communities.

I think that parents to whom AAP is extremely important will find out what to do if they need to appeal. We were fortunate to receive an eligibility letter, but does the ineligibility letter not contain directions on what to do in order to appeal? No link to webpage with appeal instructions and suggestion to take WISC?

I agree it could seem unfair that some parents don't know enough to advocate for their child, but the children are probably at a disadvantage in other ways as well. Parents may not have sought opportunities for their children in sports, music, dance. Potential goes unrealized. Getting into AAP is just one hurdle. How will children fare if their parents aren't savvy or resourceful enough to save for their college educations, get them any SAT prep needed, help them with college applications? It is impossible to make opportunities completely equal for all children, although we can try and I agree that we should try as far as opportunities related to public school.

Couldn't agree more!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:shouldn't be, perhaps. But it is what it is. Sorry, I don't see how that is snotty. I mean what would all the for-profit testers do if people couldn't submit a WISC after their kids bombed the CigAT and GBRS? Have you no heart?

oops. CogAt

Arguments could go both ways on this and I guess the county is fair enough to realize both sides. GBRS is pure subjective measurement on how the teacher feels about your child at the end of the day. yes I know it is "supposed" to be fair and pure academic but one could argue most of those kids whose mom "volunteered" get high GBRS vs. those working moms who could never meet with the teacher except for parent teacher conference. Specially, when your child is bright and doing good the chances are you never meet the teacher except for that one time meeting one month into the school year. So low GBRS AND high WISC IQ score is the result. What is fair, IMO, is how much you are willing to fight for it!

Excellent point!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:shouldn't be, perhaps. But it is what it is. Sorry, I don't see how that is snotty. I mean what would all the for-profit testers do if people couldn't submit a WISC after their kids bombed the CigAT and GBRS? Have you no heart?

oops. CogAt

Arguments could go both ways on this and I guess the county is fair enough to realize both sides. GBRS is pure subjective measurement on how the teacher feels about your child at the end of the day. yes I know it is "supposed" to be fair and pure academic but one could argue most of those kids whose mom "volunteered" get high GBRS vs. those working moms who could never meet with the teacher except for parent teacher conference. Specially, when your child is bright and doing good the chances are you never meet the teacher except for that one time meeting one month into the school year. So low GBRS AND high WISC IQ score is the result. What is fair, IMO, is how much you are willing to fight for it!

Excellent point!

What a paranoid piece of nonsense! GBRS has nothing to do with whether a parent volunteers, though I'm sure some people use this belief to delude themselves as to why their children weren't identified as gifted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:shouldn't be, perhaps. But it is what it is. Sorry, I don't see how that is snotty. I mean what would all the for-profit testers do if people couldn't submit a WISC after their kids bombed the CigAT and GBRS? Have you no heart?

oops. CogAt

Arguments could go both ways on this and I guess the county is fair enough to realize both sides. GBRS is pure subjective measurement on how the teacher feels about your child at the end of the day. yes I know it is "supposed" to be fair and pure academic but one could argue most of those kids whose mom "volunteered" get high GBRS vs. those working moms who could never meet with the teacher except for parent teacher conference. Specially, when your child is bright and doing good the chances are you never meet the teacher except for that one time meeting one month into the school year. So low GBRS AND high WISC IQ score is the result. What is fair, IMO, is how much you are willing to fight for it!

Excellent point!

excellent point!


What a paranoid piece of nonsense! GBRS has nothing to do with whether a parent volunteers, though I'm sure some people use this belief to delude themselves as to why their children weren't identified as gifted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:shouldn't be, perhaps. But it is what it is. Sorry, I don't see how that is snotty. I mean what would all the for-profit testers do if people couldn't submit a WISC after their kids bombed the CigAT and GBRS? Have you no heart?

oops. CogAt

Arguments could go both ways on this and I guess the county is fair enough to realize both sides. GBRS is pure subjective measurement on how the teacher feels about your child at the end of the day. yes I know it is "supposed" to be fair and pure academic but one could argue most of those kids whose mom "volunteered" get high GBRS vs. those working moms who could never meet with the teacher except for parent teacher conference. Specially, when your child is bright and doing good the chances are you never meet the teacher except for that one time meeting one month into the school year. So low GBRS AND high WISC IQ score is the result. What is fair, IMO, is how much you are willing to fight for it!

Excellent point!

What a paranoid piece of nonsense! GBRS has nothing to do with whether a parent volunteers, though I'm sure some people use this belief to delude themselves as to why their children weren't identified as gifted.

Everyone knows GBRS is related to giving AART's Porshe's. I read it on the forum.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:shouldn't be, perhaps. But it is what it is. Sorry, I don't see how that is snotty. I mean what would all the for-profit testers do if people couldn't submit a WISC after their kids bombed the CigAT and GBRS? Have you no heart?

oops. CogAt

Arguments could go both ways on this and I guess the county is fair enough to realize both sides. GBRS is pure subjective measurement on how the teacher feels about your child at the end of the day. yes I know it is "supposed" to be fair and pure academic but one could argue most of those kids whose mom "volunteered" get high GBRS vs. those working moms who could never meet with the teacher except for parent teacher conference. Specially, when your child is bright and doing good the chances are you never meet the teacher except for that one time meeting one month into the school year. So low GBRS AND high WISC IQ score is the result. What is fair, IMO, is how much you are willing to fight for it!

Excellent point!

What a paranoid piece of nonsense! GBRS has nothing to do with whether a parent volunteers, though I'm sure some people use this belief to delude themselves as to why their children weren't identified as gifted.

Everyone knows GBRS is related to giving AART's Porshe's. I read it on the forum.

I thought it was a puppy?

Or is the puppy the prep for the CogAT test?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:shouldn't be, perhaps. But it is what it is. Sorry, I don't see how that is snotty. I mean what would all the for-profit testers do if people couldn't submit a WISC after their kids bombed the CigAT and GBRS? Have you no heart?

oops. CogAt

Arguments could go both ways on this and I guess the county is fair enough to realize both sides. GBRS is pure subjective measurement on how the teacher feels about your child at the end of the day. yes I know it is "supposed" to be fair and pure academic but one could argue most of those kids whose mom "volunteered" get high GBRS vs. those working moms who could never meet with the teacher except for parent teacher conference. Specially, when your child is bright and doing good the chances are you never meet the teacher except for that one time meeting one month into the school year. So low GBRS AND high WISC IQ score is the result. What is fair, IMO, is how much you are willing to fight for it!

Excellent point!

What a paranoid piece of nonsense! GBRS has nothing to do with whether a parent volunteers, though I'm sure some people use this belief to delude themselves as to why their children weren't identified as gifted.

Everyone knows GBRS is related to giving AART's Porshe's. I read it on the forum.

I thought it was a puppy?

Or is the puppy the prep for the CogAT test?

please do try to keep up. A low score on the CogAt are often attributable to the parents' poorly-timed decision to buy a puppy shortly before the administration of the test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:shouldn't be, perhaps. But it is what it is. Sorry, I don't see how that is snotty. I mean what would all the for-profit testers do if people couldn't submit a WISC after their kids bombed the CigAT and GBRS? Have you no heart?

oops. CogAt

Arguments could go both ways on this and I guess the county is fair enough to realize both sides. GBRS is pure subjective measurement on how the teacher feels about your child at the end of the day. yes I know it is "supposed" to be fair and pure academic but one could argue most of those kids whose mom "volunteered" get high GBRS vs. those working moms who could never meet with the teacher except for parent teacher conference. Specially, when your child is bright and doing good the chances are you never meet the teacher except for that one time meeting one month into the school year. So low GBRS AND high WISC IQ score is the result. What is fair, IMO, is how much you are willing to fight for it!

Excellent point!

What a paranoid piece of nonsense! GBRS has nothing to do with whether a parent volunteers, though I'm sure some people use this belief to delude themselves as to why their children weren't identified as gifted.

I take it your snowflake got in with a good GBRS, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:shouldn't be, perhaps. But it is what it is. Sorry, I don't see how that is snotty. I mean what would all the for-profit testers do if people couldn't submit a WISC after their kids bombed the CigAT and GBRS? Have you no heart?

oops. CogAt

Arguments could go both ways on this and I guess the county is fair enough to realize both sides. GBRS is pure subjective measurement on how the teacher feels about your child at the end of the day. yes I know it is "supposed" to be fair and pure academic but one could argue most of those kids whose mom "volunteered" get high GBRS vs. those working moms who could never meet with the teacher except for parent teacher conference. Specially, when your child is bright and doing good the chances are you never meet the teacher except for that one time meeting one month into the school year. So low GBRS AND high WISC IQ score is the result. What is fair, IMO, is how much you are willing to fight for it!

Excellent point!

excellent point!


What a paranoid piece of nonsense! GBRS has nothing to do with whether a parent volunteers, though I'm sure some people use this belief to delude themselves as to why their children weren't identified as gifted.

So paranoid thinking because your child got a high GBRS from bunch of teachers who don't qualify to determine IQ level IS gifted.

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Anonymous wrote:shouldn't be, perhaps. But it is what it is. Sorry, I don't see how that is snotty. I mean what would all the for-profit testers do if people couldn't submit a WISC after their kids bombed the CigAT and GBRS? Have you no heart?

oops. CogAt

Arguments could go both ways on this and I guess the county is fair enough to realize both sides. GBRS is pure subjective measurement on how the teacher feels about your child at the end of the day. yes I know it is "supposed" to be fair and pure academic but one could argue most of those kids whose mom "volunteered" get high GBRS vs. those working moms who could never meet with the teacher except for parent teacher conference. Specially, when your child is bright and doing good the chances are you never meet the teacher except for that one time meeting one month into the school year. So low GBRS AND high WISC IQ score is the result. What is fair, IMO, is how much you are willing to fight for it!

Excellent point!

What a paranoid piece of nonsense! GBRS has nothing to do with whether a parent volunteers, though I'm sure some people use this belief to delude themselves as to why their children weren't identified as gifted.

Everyone knows GBRS is related to giving AART's Porshe's. I read it on the forum.

I thought it was a puppy?

Or is the puppy the prep for the CogAT test?

please do try to keep up. A low score on the CogAt are often attributable to the parents' poorly-timed decision to buy a puppy shortly before the administration of the test.

Thank you! Clearly I am not AAP material.

[Anonymous]

My 2 cents:

GBRS are based on at least 2 professional's assements, not just the teacher but also the AART, and approved by a principal. It is true that the AART may not know a child well that it's mainly the 2nd grade teacher. For my DC, I know the AART had substantive input. Of course one can disagree and question the score. GBRS are subjective by definition. Not sure what "pure" subjective means.

IMO parents who get a WISC for their child are not buying their way into AAP. Some childeren may be bored or shy and not shine in class to get a strong GBRS (11 or 12+). They also may be close on the COGAT and/or NNAT. The WISC is another metric and probably the best in terms of measuring cognitive abilities. The child still has to score in the gifted range to get in to AAP. Also, as good as teachers are, there is no way for them to know a child's abilities as well as a parent. So I say let parents WISC. I do not understand parents that aren't eligible for subsidized testing to say they don't want to pay $400 for the test. If you truly believe your child belongs in the class then sacrafice something... make it happen. The only way a parent is buying into the program is if they pay for fake test results.

BTW, MY DC found eligible this year with no WISC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 2 cents:

GBRS are based on at least 2 professional's assements, not just the teacher but also the AART, and approved by a principal. It is true that the AART may not know a child well that it's mainly the 2nd grade teacher. For my DC, I know the AART had substantive input. Of course one can disagree and question the score. GBRS are subjective by definition. Not sure what "pure" subjective means.

IMO parents who get a WISC for their child are not buying their way into AAP. Some childeren may be bored or shy and not shine in class to get a strong GBRS (11 or 12+). They also may be close on the COGAT and/or NNAT. The WISC is another metric and probably the best in terms of measuring cognitive abilities. The child still has to score in the gifted range to get in to AAP. Also, as good as teachers are, there is no way for them to know a child's abilities as well as a parent. So I say let parents WISC. I do not understand parents that aren't eligible for subsidized testing to say they don't want to pay $400 for the test. If you truly believe your child belongs in the class then sacrafice something... make it happen. The only way a parent is buying into the program is if they pay for fake test results.

BTW, MY DC found eligible this year with no WISC.

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