HS Swim - Districts this weekend?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid has state cuts but I still think it’s unfair to allow some competitors to have two bites at the districts apple and others don’t:

- some kids will miss out on getting a regionals cut (and not get to go to regionals) from the first/only swim at districts
- the opposite is true for kids who make the cut, but only at finals
- kids with finals get a better seed time for regionals/state and therefore a better lane at both the follow up meets (and this can absolutely produce a better result (so better time again at regionals finals, states
- kids who end up in the first heat at regionals from their finals swim time at districts now have an additional possible way to make states
- kids who are close after prelims have a sense of less stress performing at finals for districts to try and make a cut for states versus those swimming at regionals

Of course this is not fair to the swimmers who didn’t get two chances at districts. The schools at our districts will be swimming against some schools that got these two bites at the apple next week.

Agree - it’s so unfair that the majority of kids are getting 2 chances to make cuts and improve their seed times, this should not be allowed. Especially for districts like National where they are already disadvantage swimming in the bad pools.

I have a kid in National. Let’s not get too carried away about pool disadvantages. Atmosphere matters more. At the end of the day it’s the swimmer not the pool. Now this is separate from not having the benefit of prelims/finals.

Really? The Liberty Dist seems to have almost all drops and very, very big ones. That’s not true of most pools/meets unless it’s a fast pool or a very high level meet. This is not a high level meet. I think swimming at certain pools matters. Surprised you don’t know that. Your kid never says “that’s a fast pool” and meet mobile shows nearly every single person dropping?

[Anonymous]

Liberty districts are at W&L HS. My swimmer actually said last night that it’s not a “fast” pool and fellow club swimmers complain about it.

Still upset about the lack of prelim/final in our district.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has state cuts but I still think it’s unfair to allow some competitors to have two bites at the districts apple and others don’t:

- some kids will miss out on getting a regionals cut (and not get to go to regionals) from the first/only swim at districts
- the opposite is true for kids who make the cut, but only at finals
- kids with finals get a better seed time for regionals/state and therefore a better lane at both the follow up meets (and this can absolutely produce a better result (so better time again at regionals finals, states
- kids who end up in the first heat at regionals from their finals swim time at districts now have an additional possible way to make states
- kids who are close after prelims have a sense of less stress performing at finals for districts to try and make a cut for states versus those swimming at regionals

Of course this is not fair to the swimmers who didn’t get two chances at districts. The schools at our districts will be swimming against some schools that got these two bites at the apple next week.

Agree - it’s so unfair that the majority of kids are getting 2 chances to make cuts and improve their seed times, this should not be allowed. Especially for districts like National where they are already disadvantage swimming in the bad pools.

I have a kid in National. Let’s not get too carried away about pool disadvantages. Atmosphere matters more. At the end of the day it’s the swimmer not the pool. Now this is separate from not having the benefit of prelims/finals.

Really? The Liberty Dist seems to have almost all drops and very, very big ones. That’s not true of most pools/meets unless it’s a fast pool or a very high level meet. This is not a high level meet. I think swimming at certain pools matters. Surprised you don’t know that. Your kid never says “that’s a fast pool” and meet mobile shows nearly every single person dropping?

Sure, but I don’t think anyone has ever called a county rec center a “fast pool”. Some are certainly nicer than others, but none are fast in the way you’re describing. Eppley is a fast pool. Oakmont has notoriously warm water and air quality. Most kids hate racing there, even if it’s a step up from AM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has state cuts but I still think it’s unfair to allow some competitors to have two bites at the districts apple and others don’t:

- some kids will miss out on getting a regionals cut (and not get to go to regionals) from the first/only swim at districts
- the opposite is true for kids who make the cut, but only at finals
- kids with finals get a better seed time for regionals/state and therefore a better lane at both the follow up meets (and this can absolutely produce a better result (so better time again at regionals finals, states
- kids who end up in the first heat at regionals from their finals swim time at districts now have an additional possible way to make states
- kids who are close after prelims have a sense of less stress performing at finals for districts to try and make a cut for states versus those swimming at regionals

Of course this is not fair to the swimmers who didn’t get two chances at districts. The schools at our districts will be swimming against some schools that got these two bites at the apple next week.

Agree - it’s so unfair that the majority of kids are getting 2 chances to make cuts and improve their seed times, this should not be allowed. Especially for districts like National where they are already disadvantage swimming in the bad pools.

I have a kid in National. Let’s not get too carried away about pool disadvantages. Atmosphere matters more. At the end of the day it’s the swimmer not the pool. Now this is separate from not having the benefit of prelims/finals.

Really? The Liberty Dist seems to have almost all drops and very, very big ones. That’s not true of most pools/meets unless it’s a fast pool or a very high level meet. This is not a high level meet. I think swimming at certain pools matters. Surprised you don’t know that. Your kid never says “that’s a fast pool” and meet mobile shows nearly every single person dropping?

Don't forget that these are drops from HS dual meet times. Some of the fastest swimmers cruise to win on Friday nights and aren't pushing too hard; then they show up more motivated to post season. If you imported USA swimming times, there'd be a lot more red. Most swimmers didn't drop from their personal bests that I noticed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has state cuts but I still think it’s unfair to allow some competitors to have two bites at the districts apple and others don’t:

- some kids will miss out on getting a regionals cut (and not get to go to regionals) from the first/only swim at districts
- the opposite is true for kids who make the cut, but only at finals
- kids with finals get a better seed time for regionals/state and therefore a better lane at both the follow up meets (and this can absolutely produce a better result (so better time again at regionals finals, states
- kids who end up in the first heat at regionals from their finals swim time at districts now have an additional possible way to make states
- kids who are close after prelims have a sense of less stress performing at finals for districts to try and make a cut for states versus those swimming at regionals

Of course this is not fair to the swimmers who didn’t get two chances at districts. The schools at our districts will be swimming against some schools that got these two bites at the apple next week.

Agree - it’s so unfair that the majority of kids are getting 2 chances to make cuts and improve their seed times, this should not be allowed. Especially for districts like National where they are already disadvantage swimming in the bad pools.

I have a kid in National. Let’s not get too carried away about pool disadvantages. Atmosphere matters more. At the end of the day it’s the swimmer not the pool. Now this is separate from not having the benefit of prelims/finals.

Really? The Liberty Dist seems to have almost all drops and very, very big ones. That’s not true of most pools/meets unless it’s a fast pool or a very high level meet. This is not a high level meet. I think swimming at certain pools matters. Surprised you don’t know that. Your kid never says “that’s a fast pool” and meet mobile shows nearly every single person dropping?

Don't forget that these are drops from HS dual meet times. Some of the fastest swimmers cruise to win on Friday nights and aren't pushing too hard; then they show up more motivated to post season. If you imported USA swimming times, there'd be a lot more red. Most swimmers didn't drop from their personal bests that I noticed.

+1 this is what it is

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has state cuts but I still think it’s unfair to allow some competitors to have two bites at the districts apple and others don’t:

- some kids will miss out on getting a regionals cut (and not get to go to regionals) from the first/only swim at districts
- the opposite is true for kids who make the cut, but only at finals
- kids with finals get a better seed time for regionals/state and therefore a better lane at both the follow up meets (and this can absolutely produce a better result (so better time again at regionals finals, states
- kids who end up in the first heat at regionals from their finals swim time at districts now have an additional possible way to make states
- kids who are close after prelims have a sense of less stress performing at finals for districts to try and make a cut for states versus those swimming at regionals

Of course this is not fair to the swimmers who didn’t get two chances at districts. The schools at our districts will be swimming against some schools that got these two bites at the apple next week.

Agree - it’s so unfair that the majority of kids are getting 2 chances to make cuts and improve their seed times, this should not be allowed. Especially for districts like National where they are already disadvantage swimming in the bad pools.

I have a kid in National. Let’s not get too carried away about pool disadvantages. Atmosphere matters more. At the end of the day it’s the swimmer not the pool. Now this is separate from not having the benefit of prelims/finals.

Really? The Liberty Dist seems to have almost all drops and very, very big ones. That’s not true of most pools/meets unless it’s a fast pool or a very high level meet. This is not a high level meet. I think swimming at certain pools matters. Surprised you don’t know that. Your kid never says “that’s a fast pool” and meet mobile shows nearly every single person dropping?

Don't forget that these are drops from HS dual meet times. Some of the fastest swimmers cruise to win on Friday nights and aren't pushing too hard; then they show up more motivated to post season. If you imported USA swimming times, there'd be a lot more red. Most swimmers didn't drop from their personal bests that I noticed.

+1 this is what it is

+2, elite club swimmers can hit state cuts without breaking a sweat and they cruise through the dual meets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has state cuts but I still think it’s unfair to allow some competitors to have two bites at the districts apple and others don’t:

- some kids will miss out on getting a regionals cut (and not get to go to regionals) from the first/only swim at districts
- the opposite is true for kids who make the cut, but only at finals
- kids with finals get a better seed time for regionals/state and therefore a better lane at both the follow up meets (and this can absolutely produce a better result (so better time again at regionals finals, states
- kids who end up in the first heat at regionals from their finals swim time at districts now have an additional possible way to make states
- kids who are close after prelims have a sense of less stress performing at finals for districts to try and make a cut for states versus those swimming at regionals

Of course this is not fair to the swimmers who didn’t get two chances at districts. The schools at our districts will be swimming against some schools that got these two bites at the apple next week.

Agree - it’s so unfair that the majority of kids are getting 2 chances to make cuts and improve their seed times, this should not be allowed. Especially for districts like National where they are already disadvantage swimming in the bad pools.

I have a kid in National. Let’s not get too carried away about pool disadvantages. Atmosphere matters more. At the end of the day it’s the swimmer not the pool. Now this is separate from not having the benefit of prelims/finals.

Really? The Liberty Dist seems to have almost all drops and very, very big ones. That’s not true of most pools/meets unless it’s a fast pool or a very high level meet. This is not a high level meet. I think swimming at certain pools matters. Surprised you don’t know that. Your kid never says “that’s a fast pool” and meet mobile shows nearly every single person dropping?

Don't forget that these are drops from HS dual meet times. Some of the fastest swimmers cruise to win on Friday nights and aren't pushing too hard; then they show up more motivated to post season. If you imported USA swimming times, there'd be a lot more red. Most swimmers didn't drop from their personal bests that I noticed.

+1 this is what it is

+2, elite club swimmers can hit state cuts without breaking a sweat and they cruise through the dual meets.

I just looked at the Liberty District girls 200 free and for the A finalists only one actually dropped time (and it was a couple tenths). In meet mobile it looks like they all had major drops.

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When should we expect final times to be posted?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When should we expect final times to be posted?

National?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has state cuts but I still think it’s unfair to allow some competitors to have two bites at the districts apple and others don’t:

- some kids will miss out on getting a regionals cut (and not get to go to regionals) from the first/only swim at districts
- the opposite is true for kids who make the cut, but only at finals
- kids with finals get a better seed time for regionals/state and therefore a better lane at both the follow up meets (and this can absolutely produce a better result (so better time again at regionals finals, states
- kids who end up in the first heat at regionals from their finals swim time at districts now have an additional possible way to make states
- kids who are close after prelims have a sense of less stress performing at finals for districts to try and make a cut for states versus those swimming at regionals

Of course this is not fair to the swimmers who didn’t get two chances at districts. The schools at our districts will be swimming against some schools that got these two bites at the apple next week.

Agree - it’s so unfair that the majority of kids are getting 2 chances to make cuts and improve their seed times, this should not be allowed. Especially for districts like National where they are already disadvantage swimming in the bad pools.

I have a kid in National. Let’s not get too carried away about pool disadvantages. Atmosphere matters more. At the end of the day it’s the swimmer not the pool. Now this is separate from not having the benefit of prelims/finals.

Tell that to swimmers after swimming at UMD. Pools do matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has state cuts but I still think it’s unfair to allow some competitors to have two bites at the districts apple and others don’t:

- some kids will miss out on getting a regionals cut (and not get to go to regionals) from the first/only swim at districts
- the opposite is true for kids who make the cut, but only at finals
- kids with finals get a better seed time for regionals/state and therefore a better lane at both the follow up meets (and this can absolutely produce a better result (so better time again at regionals finals, states
- kids who end up in the first heat at regionals from their finals swim time at districts now have an additional possible way to make states
- kids who are close after prelims have a sense of less stress performing at finals for districts to try and make a cut for states versus those swimming at regionals

Of course this is not fair to the swimmers who didn’t get two chances at districts. The schools at our districts will be swimming against some schools that got these two bites at the apple next week.

Agree - it’s so unfair that the majority of kids are getting 2 chances to make cuts and improve their seed times, this should not be allowed. Especially for districts like National where they are already disadvantage swimming in the bad pools.

I have a kid in National. Let’s not get too carried away about pool disadvantages. Atmosphere matters more. At the end of the day it’s the swimmer not the pool. Now this is separate from not having the benefit of prelims/finals.

Really? The Liberty Dist seems to have almost all drops and very, very big ones. That’s not true of most pools/meets unless it’s a fast pool or a very high level meet. This is not a high level meet. I think swimming at certain pools matters. Surprised you don’t know that. Your kid never says “that’s a fast pool” and meet mobile shows nearly every single person dropping?

Sure, but I don’t think anyone has ever called a county rec center a “fast pool”. Some are certainly nicer than others, but none are fast in the way you’re describing. Eppley is a fast pool. Oakmont has notoriously warm water and air quality. Most kids hate racing there, even if it’s a step up from AM.

Pools can be fast or slow for lots of reasons: end lanes have open water on the ends (versus the pool ending), water level, salt water, and some unknown reasons…it is not like no rec center pools are like this.

Having some kids get prelims and finals for districts is not fair esp when they regroup together at regionals. Liberty should not be swimming next week with Concorde, for example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has state cuts but I still think it’s unfair to allow some competitors to have two bites at the districts apple and others don’t:

- some kids will miss out on getting a regionals cut (and not get to go to regionals) from the first/only swim at districts
- the opposite is true for kids who make the cut, but only at finals
- kids with finals get a better seed time for regionals/state and therefore a better lane at both the follow up meets (and this can absolutely produce a better result (so better time again at regionals finals, states
- kids who end up in the first heat at regionals from their finals swim time at districts now have an additional possible way to make states
- kids who are close after prelims have a sense of less stress performing at finals for districts to try and make a cut for states versus those swimming at regionals

Of course this is not fair to the swimmers who didn’t get two chances at districts. The schools at our districts will be swimming against some schools that got these two bites at the apple next week.

Agree - it’s so unfair that the majority of kids are getting 2 chances to make cuts and improve their seed times, this should not be allowed. Especially for districts like National where they are already disadvantage swimming in the bad pools.

I have a kid in National. Let’s not get too carried away about pool disadvantages. Atmosphere matters more. At the end of the day it’s the swimmer not the pool. Now this is separate from not having the benefit of prelims/finals.

Really? The Liberty Dist seems to have almost all drops and very, very big ones. That’s not true of most pools/meets unless it’s a fast pool or a very high level meet. This is not a high level meet. I think swimming at certain pools matters. Surprised you don’t know that. Your kid never says “that’s a fast pool” and meet mobile shows nearly every single person dropping?

Sure, but I don’t think anyone has ever called a county rec center a “fast pool”. Some are certainly nicer than others, but none are fast in the way you’re describing. Eppley is a fast pool. Oakmont has notoriously warm water and air quality. Most kids hate racing there, even if it’s a step up from AM.

Pools can be fast or slow for lots of reasons: end lanes have open water on the ends (versus the pool ending), water level, salt water, and some unknown reasons…it is not like no rec center pools are like this.

Having some kids get prelims and finals for districts is not fair esp when they regroup together at regionals. Liberty should not be swimming next week with Concorde, for example.

PP. we are very aligned on your second point!!! It’s an unfair advantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When should we expect final times to be posted?

National?

Got em from the coach, but it was a yes to that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has state cuts but I still think it’s unfair to allow some competitors to have two bites at the districts apple and others don’t:

- some kids will miss out on getting a regionals cut (and not get to go to regionals) from the first/only swim at districts
- the opposite is true for kids who make the cut, but only at finals
- kids with finals get a better seed time for regionals/state and therefore a better lane at both the follow up meets (and this can absolutely produce a better result (so better time again at regionals finals, states
- kids who end up in the first heat at regionals from their finals swim time at districts now have an additional possible way to make states
- kids who are close after prelims have a sense of less stress performing at finals for districts to try and make a cut for states versus those swimming at regionals

Of course this is not fair to the swimmers who didn’t get two chances at districts. The schools at our districts will be swimming against some schools that got these two bites at the apple next week.

Agree - it’s so unfair that the majority of kids are getting 2 chances to make cuts and improve their seed times, this should not be allowed. Especially for districts like National where they are already disadvantage swimming in the bad pools.

I have a kid in National. Let’s not get too carried away about pool disadvantages. Atmosphere matters more. At the end of the day it’s the swimmer not the pool. Now this is separate from not having the benefit of prelims/finals.

Really? The Liberty Dist seems to have almost all drops and very, very big ones. That’s not true of most pools/meets unless it’s a fast pool or a very high level meet. This is not a high level meet. I think swimming at certain pools matters. Surprised you don’t know that. Your kid never says “that’s a fast pool” and meet mobile shows nearly every single person dropping?

Don't forget that these are drops from HS dual meet times. Some of the fastest swimmers cruise to win on Friday nights and aren't pushing too hard; then they show up more motivated to post season. If you imported USA swimming times, there'd be a lot more red. Most swimmers didn't drop from their personal bests that I noticed.

You are also forgetting to add they are now wearing tech suits vs regular team suits so that is another huge reason for the big drops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid has state cuts but I still think it’s unfair to allow some competitors to have two bites at the districts apple and others don’t:

- some kids will miss out on getting a regionals cut (and not get to go to regionals) from the first/only swim at districts
- the opposite is true for kids who make the cut, but only at finals
- kids with finals get a better seed time for regionals/state and therefore a better lane at both the follow up meets (and this can absolutely produce a better result (so better time again at regionals finals, states
- kids who end up in the first heat at regionals from their finals swim time at districts now have an additional possible way to make states
- kids who are close after prelims have a sense of less stress performing at finals for districts to try and make a cut for states versus those swimming at regionals

Of course this is not fair to the swimmers who didn’t get two chances at districts. The schools at our districts will be swimming against some schools that got these two bites at the apple next week.

Agree - it’s so unfair that the majority of kids are getting 2 chances to make cuts and improve their seed times, this should not be allowed. Especially for districts like National where they are already disadvantage swimming in the bad pools.

I have a kid in National. Let’s not get too carried away about pool disadvantages. Atmosphere matters more. At the end of the day it’s the swimmer not the pool. Now this is separate from not having the benefit of prelims/finals.

Really? The Liberty Dist seems to have almost all drops and very, very big ones. That’s not true of most pools/meets unless it’s a fast pool or a very high level meet. This is not a high level meet. I think swimming at certain pools matters. Surprised you don’t know that. Your kid never says “that’s a fast pool” and meet mobile shows nearly every single person dropping?

Don't forget that these are drops from HS dual meet times. Some of the fastest swimmers cruise to win on Friday nights and aren't pushing too hard; then they show up more motivated to post season. If you imported USA swimming times, there'd be a lot more red. Most swimmers didn't drop from their personal bests that I noticed.

You are also forgetting to add they are now wearing tech suits vs regular team suits so that is another huge reason for the big drops.

1. Yeah, another tech suit attempt IS an advantage

2. These are not tech suit mini drops