ICE is now arresting preschoolers and sending them to detention centers

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Anonymous wrote:Wow illegals but their children are risk and throw them away, sad. Stay in Mexico please

Yeah no. ICE agents are animals who arrest children and detain them. Remember the kids in cages?

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These stories take me back to around 2018 during Orange Rapist 1.0 when immigrant children were being taken from their parents and lost in the system. There was one particularly awful case with a 2 year old sitting in court being told to represent herself at her immigration hearing. I distrust ANY info or federal agent now with ever fiber of my being. They are liars and sadists, every one.

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Anonymous wrote:I will preface this by acknowledging that what happened is sad for this boy who had begun his life here. And not how I’d want things done if I was in charge.

But also wondering - as the media and PPs are accepting at face value that the father has a pending asylum claim, per the attorney. I’m assuming, if he does, then he will be interviewed while in detention, as is still happening. It may be that he goes through the process and is not found eligible for asylum. What do you make of this?

It’s no use to be objective or logical with this crowd. The people want to be outraged, so the people will be outraged. There’s no such thing as a fake asylum claim! #believealleconomicmigrants

It's not a fake asylum claim because you say it's so. There are well pled cases and not well pled cases. Either the Judge gets to decide and not some anon keyboard warrior with an on-line degree from Trump U.

With a good pro-bono lawyer anyone can prepare and make a good case for asylum. There is a definite formula to be followed. I've yet to appear in court on an asylum claim that wasn't successful. The courts are so backed up right now, that a person can stay in the US for a very long time until their cases are heard. That's not the fault of those seeking asylum, I imagine whatever is being spent on ICE could have funded lots of court proceedings and lots of Judges.

I appreciate the partially civil response, but just like I can’t say with certainty that his asylum case is fake, neither do you know that it is legitimate. And your point above about the formula goes to my point: economic migrants are coached on what to say. That doesn’t mean it’s TRUE. The reality is that most of them are looking for a better opportunity. I don’t blame them, but being here in this country is not something they’re entitled to.

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Anonymous wrote:There was a more humane solution but ICE preferred to detain the child.

“School board member Mary Granlund said she was on the scene and told immigration officials she could take Liam Ramos, but they still detained him.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyrrqwxpz7o

You can't just hand over a child to someone because they asked for them. If you were taken to jail for whatever reason, should the police give your kid to a school board member?

what? A child is not going to prison with their parents if they committed a crime.. did the father have an opportunity to place a child with another adult? Actions/policies need to be protective of the child..

No he did not. Just like if any US local law enforcement arrests a parent, that child can't just go home with anyone who asks for them. There are procedures, none of which include a school board member.

Yes, typically these are jump out the bushes, operations, and the person would be given an opportunity to turn themselves in but since he hadn't been charged with anything and no warrant was issued, I suppose they didn't think to call child protective services, so that a social worker could take the child into a very temporary foster home, 100% no one is hauling a child who is here legally, as this child was, off to prison with his parent.

Even if the parent committed a crime which this parent didn't, they would still call in child services to take custody of the child. Until the other parent or closest relative could be contacted.

True story. I had a medical emergency there was no other family available to call who could be at my house in quick order, and DH was traveling and couldn't be reached. 100% the paramedics were fine with me leaving my son with a neighbor while I sought medical treatment, For, what it's worth, had I died, or had I been hospitalized for an extended period of time, a family member couldn't be reached the next step would have been foster care. Again, you people are delusional if you still don't get that the cruelty is the point.

Your dear leaders are belatedly starting to figure out that kidnapping chubby faced toddlers in fuzzy bunny ear hats and shooting people in the face isn't a cruelty that the average American will accept. It just makes for very bad optics. So, question is why do you? What's in it for you? Is someone paying you to turn a blind eye. i can understand greed, it abhorrent, but I get it. What I don't get is what kind of monster t ries to look for ways to make this okay.

You people are nuts.

You are the one that is nuts.
Had they called CPS, you would be accusing them of separating the child from the parents.
IOW - they can't win in your eyes.

Calling CPS, a non-law enforcement agency would have been the right thing to do. They would have reached out to find the other parent. And this child would be in his mother's warm embrace right now. Or they could have also followed the law and not done a jump out the bushes, gorilla style assault on the father, they could you know followed the law, but I guess it's to late for that. So instead of being at home tucked in with his mom. He's in a cold hard prison in Texas.

How much do you think all of this is going to cost us, all of this violating people's rights, you know all of this will come out at some point and much like family separation a lot of money will be paid out in damages for these abuses. People are going to jail. Trump won't have time to pardon them all while he's lying on his death bed. And when he finally dies, Repubs just might be ready to wash the stink off. Yep, gobs and gobs of monies will be disbursed and lots of folks are going to jail.

It's going to be ugly I tell you, they will wish they'd just followed the law when all is said and done.

What kind of mother hides in the house and watches her child be taken away?
Wouldn't you follow your kid to hell itself so they wouldn't be frightened and alone?

What kind of monsters put a mother in that situation, what kind of monsters, monsters who control all fo the cards treat a child as a weapon, and then cart that baby off to a 2025 Concentration Camp. I tell you what it reminds me of Nazi Germany. The problem is that you aren't asking the right questions.

Be ignorant if you want to, but seriously, if they do it to them, what's to stop them doing it to you and yours? They are breaking the law. Ask yourself why they are doing it? And why you are okay with it? Knowing that the most powerful government in the world is violating peoples' basic rights in just an open way. They don't GAF and that doesn't bode well for you or me. The Government is an incredibly powerful entity. They shouldn't have to behave this way to get things done.

What's to stop them from turning all of the power on you. They could squish you and your entire family like bugs under their shoes and there would be nothing to stop them, the laws are what stop them, the constitution is what stops them, checks and balances stop them. Being a non-citizen doesn't mean that you don't have rights, this isn't Russia, or some back water dictatorship. If they are violating the rights of citizens and non-citizens openly, cruelly and without remorse, warrantless searches and busting into people's houses without even so much as a no-knock warrant, shooting white people in the face, on the National news every single day, all day long, day in and day out, what rights do any of us have.

When none of that works we are all imperiled. That's why you get outraged. Do you think they are going to stop at brown people? You are just too stupid to get that.

My sister in an expat in a country DCUM would like to move to. She is on a spouse visa and mother to citizen children. She still has to file yearly paperwork.
She failed to file it one year during a stressful time and what do you think happened? She was detained, thrown in jail, mugshot, separated from her children until it could be resolved legally. How inhumane.
Nice countries, that people really want to move to, with free healthcare and good wages, have immigration rules and consequences for not following those rules. Do you think for a second she thought about protesting in the street about being treated so cruelly? Maybe go to the media? Of course not. She was ashamed that she hadn't followed the rules as a guest in that country.

Sorry your sister is a moron, but I can see that might be a family trait.

1) This man didn't break the law, he was here legally, an asylum claim, but none of that mattered, Unlike your sister who broke the law, being a forgetful idiot doesn't absolve you of the consequences of your crime, She deserved to be detained. But this man didn't break any laws. He's not an idiot he is a law abiding resident of the State of Minnesota.

2) Two his toddler didn't break the law, but they put him on a plane and threw him in jail too. Were your sisters kids in jail too? Honest question because that would make her story somewhat relevant here. No. Here kids didn't spend a minute locked up in a cage.

Cool story dude, or dudette now move along.

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Anonymous wrote:I will preface this by acknowledging that what happened is sad for this boy who had begun his life here. And not how I’d want things done if I was in charge.

But also wondering - as the media and PPs are accepting at face value that the father has a pending asylum claim, per the attorney. I’m assuming, if he does, then he will be interviewed while in detention, as is still happening. It may be that he goes through the process and is not found eligible for asylum. What do you make of this?

It’s no use to be objective or logical with this crowd. The people want to be outraged, so the people will be outraged. There’s no such thing as a fake asylum claim! #believealleconomicmigrants

It's not a fake asylum claim because you say it's so. There are well pled cases and not well pled cases. Either the Judge gets to decide and not some anon keyboard warrior with an on-line degree from Trump U.

With a good pro-bono lawyer anyone can prepare and make a good case for asylum. There is a definite formula to be followed. I've yet to appear in court on an asylum claim that wasn't successful. The courts are so backed up right now, that a person can stay in the US for a very long time until their cases are heard. That's not the fault of those seeking asylum, I imagine whatever is being spent on ICE could have funded lots of court proceedings and lots of Judges.

I appreciate the partially civil response, but just like I can’t say with certainty that his asylum case is fake, neither do you know that it is legitimate. And your point above about the formula goes to my point: economic migrants are coached on what to say. That doesn’t mean it’s TRUE. The reality is that most of them are looking for a better opportunity. I don’t blame them, but being here in this country is not something they’re entitled to.

Until their asylum case is heard, yes they are very much entitled to be here, and 100% you can bet your silly little heiny that the are almost guaranteed asylum now with a pathway to citizenship.

This man has a lawyer and right about now he is negotiating his release, his rights were violated, and just like all of the family separation cases he will be granted asylum, healthcare, mental health and trauma counseling, stipends and a clean and clean pathway to citzenship.

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Anonymous wrote:There was a more humane solution but ICE preferred to detain the child.

“School board member Mary Granlund said she was on the scene and told immigration officials she could take Liam Ramos, but they still detained him.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyrrqwxpz7o

You can't just hand over a child to someone because they asked for them. If you were taken to jail for whatever reason, should the police give your kid to a school board member?

what? A child is not going to prison with their parents if they committed a crime.. did the father have an opportunity to place a child with another adult? Actions/policies need to be protective of the child..

No he did not. Just like if any US local law enforcement arrests a parent, that child can't just go home with anyone who asks for them. There are procedures, none of which include a school board member.

Yes, typically these are jump out the bushes, operations, and the person would be given an opportunity to turn themselves in but since he hadn't been charged with anything and no warrant was issued, I suppose they didn't think to call child protective services, so that a social worker could take the child into a very temporary foster home, 100% no one is hauling a child who is here legally, as this child was, off to prison with his parent.

Even if the parent committed a crime which this parent didn't, they would still call in child services to take custody of the child. Until the other parent or closest relative could be contacted.

True story. I had a medical emergency there was no other family available to call who could be at my house in quick order, and DH was traveling and couldn't be reached. 100% the paramedics were fine with me leaving my son with a neighbor while I sought medical treatment, For, what it's worth, had I died, or had I been hospitalized for an extended period of time, a family member couldn't be reached the next step would have been foster care. Again, you people are delusional if you still don't get that the cruelty is the point.

Your dear leaders are belatedly starting to figure out that kidnapping chubby faced toddlers in fuzzy bunny ear hats and shooting people in the face isn't a cruelty that the average American will accept. It just makes for very bad optics. So, question is why do you? What's in it for you? Is someone paying you to turn a blind eye. i can understand greed, it abhorrent, but I get it. What I don't get is what kind of monster t ries to look for ways to make this okay.

You people are nuts.

You are the one that is nuts.
Had they called CPS, you would be accusing them of separating the child from the parents.
IOW - they can't win in your eyes.

Calling CPS, a non-law enforcement agency would have been the right thing to do. They would have reached out to find the other parent. And this child would be in his mother's warm embrace right now. Or they could have also followed the law and not done a jump out the bushes, gorilla style assault on the father, they could you know followed the law, but I guess it's to late for that. So instead of being at home tucked in with his mom. He's in a cold hard prison in Texas.

How much do you think all of this is going to cost us, all of this violating people's rights, you know all of this will come out at some point and much like family separation a lot of money will be paid out in damages for these abuses. People are going to jail. Trump won't have time to pardon them all while he's lying on his death bed. And when he finally dies, Repubs just might be ready to wash the stink off. Yep, gobs and gobs of monies will be disbursed and lots of folks are going to jail.

It's going to be ugly I tell you, they will wish they'd just followed the law when all is said and done.

What kind of mother hides in the house and watches her child be taken away?
Wouldn't you follow your kid to hell itself so they wouldn't be frightened and alone?

Is this the JD what's his face, trying to test float new narratives. Read the room man. The entire world thinks you are skinless, gelatenous, pond scum. You are embarrasing. Beat it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will preface this by acknowledging that what happened is sad for this boy who had begun his life here. And not how I’d want things done if I was in charge.

But also wondering - as the media and PPs are accepting at face value that the father has a pending asylum claim, per the attorney. I’m assuming, if he does, then he will be interviewed while in detention, as is still happening. It may be that he goes through the process and is not found eligible for asylum. What do you make of this?

It’s no use to be objective or logical with this crowd. The people want to be outraged, so the people will be outraged. There’s no such thing as a fake asylum claim! #believealleconomicmigrants

It's not a fake asylum claim because you say it's so. There are well pled cases and not well pled cases. Either the Judge gets to decide and not some anon keyboard warrior with an on-line degree from Trump U.

With a good pro-bono lawyer anyone can prepare and make a good case for asylum. There is a definite formula to be followed. I've yet to appear in court on an asylum claim that wasn't successful. The courts are so backed up right now, that a person can stay in the US for a very long time until their cases are heard. That's not the fault of those seeking asylum, I imagine whatever is being spent on ICE could have funded lots of court proceedings and lots of Judges.

I appreciate the partially civil response, but just like I can’t say with certainty that his asylum case is fake, neither do you know that it is legitimate. And your point above about the formula goes to my point: economic migrants are coached on what to say. That doesn’t mean it’s TRUE. The reality is that most of them are looking for a better opportunity. I don’t blame them, but being here in this country is not something they’re entitled to.

Until their asylum case is heard, yes they are very much entitled to be here, and 100% you can bet your silly little heiny that the are almost guaranteed asylum now with a pathway to citizenship.

This man has a lawyer and right about now he is negotiating his release, his rights were violated, and just like all of the family separation cases he will be granted asylum, healthcare, mental health and trauma counseling, stipends and a clean and clean pathway to citzenship.

There is no such thing as asylum granted on the grounds of having been separated from one’s family by the USG. They may be given some other type of relief but that is not asylum.

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Anonymous wrote:These stories take me back to around 2018 during Orange Rapist 1.0 when immigrant children were being taken from their parents and lost in the system. There was one particularly awful case with a 2 year old sitting in court being told to represent herself at her immigration hearing. I distrust ANY info or federal agent now with ever fiber of my being. They are liars and sadists, every one.

The separation of families was all Stephen “The Ghoul” Miller. He’s got psychopathic tendencies otherwise he couldn’t have created that program. Most parents would imagine their children, alone and scared separated from their mother and father and they wouldn’t be able to do it.

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Stating that most asylum cases are successful is not the defense you think it is. It merely proves that asylum is not real if any immigrant with the “right” kind of lawyer can get it. Let’s go back to having them wait in Mexico rather than here. We don’t need to feed and educate them while they wait. Why is that our job?

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Anonymous wrote:These stories take me back to around 2018 during Orange Rapist 1.0 when immigrant children were being taken from their parents and lost in the system. There was one particularly awful case with a 2 year old sitting in court being told to represent herself at her immigration hearing. I distrust ANY info or federal agent now with ever fiber of my being. They are liars and sadists, every one.

The separation of families was all Stephen “The Ghoul” Miller. He’s got psychopathic tendencies otherwise he couldn’t have created that program. Most parents would imagine their children, alone and scared separated from their mother and father and they wouldn’t be able to do it.

Most parents wouldn’t drag their children to a foreign country without visas to stay.

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ICE kidnapped a 2 year old girl today.

ICE is the slave patrol.

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Sad but true ,, illegal

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will preface this by acknowledging that what happened is sad for this boy who had begun his life here. And not how I’d want things done if I was in charge.

But also wondering - as the media and PPs are accepting at face value that the father has a pending asylum claim, per the attorney. I’m assuming, if he does, then he will be interviewed while in detention, as is still happening. It may be that he goes through the process and is not found eligible for asylum. What do you make of this?

It’s no use to be objective or logical with this crowd. The people want to be outraged, so the people will be outraged. There’s no such thing as a fake asylum claim! #believealleconomicmigrants

It's not a fake asylum claim because you say it's so. There are well pled cases and not well pled cases. Either the Judge gets to decide and not some anon keyboard warrior with an on-line degree from Trump U.

With a good pro-bono lawyer anyone can prepare and make a good case for asylum. There is a definite formula to be followed. I've yet to appear in court on an asylum claim that wasn't successful. The courts are so backed up right now, that a person can stay in the US for a very long time until their cases are heard. That's not the fault of those seeking asylum, I imagine whatever is being spent on ICE could have funded lots of court proceedings and lots of Judges.

I appreciate the partially civil response, but just like I can’t say with certainty that his asylum case is fake, neither do you know that it is legitimate. And your point above about the formula goes to my point: economic migrants are coached on what to say. That doesn’t mean it’s TRUE. The reality is that most of them are looking for a better opportunity. I don’t blame them, but being here in this country is not something they’re entitled to.

Do you not believe in the law? Do you not believe in our government's rules? In asylum cases people have to pass a credible fear interview? You know what, I am not going to explain the process. All that matters is that they were LEGAL. Respect the law. For goodness sake, stop justifying the Gestapo and respect your country's laws!

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Anonymous wrote:There was a more humane solution but ICE preferred to detain the child.

“School board member Mary Granlund said she was on the scene and told immigration officials she could take Liam Ramos, but they still detained him.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyrrqwxpz7o

You can't just hand over a child to someone because they asked for them. If you were taken to jail for whatever reason, should the police give your kid to a school board member?

what? A child is not going to prison with their parents if they committed a crime.. did the father have an opportunity to place a child with another adult? Actions/policies need to be protective of the child..

she probably has other children to protect. If she had come out and they took her, there would be children left alone. Or grabbed too. And perhaps it was the 15 year old girl inside the house that made the family flee the cartels. Opening the door would mean that girl wold be sent back to be raped. Have you read about cartels?

No he did not. Just like if any US local law enforcement arrests a parent, that child can't just go home with anyone who asks for them. There are procedures, none of which include a school board member.

Yes, typically these are jump out the bushes, operations, and the person would be given an opportunity to turn themselves in but since he hadn't been charged with anything and no warrant was issued, I suppose they didn't think to call child protective services, so that a social worker could take the child into a very temporary foster home, 100% no one is hauling a child who is here legally, as this child was, off to prison with his parent.

Even if the parent committed a crime which this parent didn't, they would still call in child services to take custody of the child. Until the other parent or closest relative could be contacted.

True story. I had a medical emergency there was no other family available to call who could be at my house in quick order, and DH was traveling and couldn't be reached. 100% the paramedics were fine with me leaving my son with a neighbor while I sought medical treatment, For, what it's worth, had I died, or had I been hospitalized for an extended period of time, a family member couldn't be reached the next step would have been foster care. Again, you people are delusional if you still don't get that the cruelty is the point.

Your dear leaders are belatedly starting to figure out that kidnapping chubby faced toddlers in fuzzy bunny ear hats and shooting people in the face isn't a cruelty that the average American will accept. It just makes for very bad optics. So, question is why do you? What's in it for you? Is someone paying you to turn a blind eye. i can understand greed, it abhorrent, but I get it. What I don't get is what kind of monster t ries to look for ways to make this okay.

You people are nuts.

You are the one that is nuts.
Had they called CPS, you would be accusing them of separating the child from the parents.
IOW - they can't win in your eyes.

Calling CPS, a non-law enforcement agency would have been the right thing to do. They would have reached out to find the other parent. And this child would be in his mother's warm embrace right now. Or they could have also followed the law and not done a jump out the bushes, gorilla style assault on the father, they could you know followed the law, but I guess it's to late for that. So instead of being at home tucked in with his mom. He's in a cold hard prison in Texas.

How much do you think all of this is going to cost us, all of this violating people's rights, you know all of this will come out at some point and much like family separation a lot of money will be paid out in damages for these abuses. People are going to jail. Trump won't have time to pardon them all while he's lying on his death bed. And when he finally dies, Repubs just might be ready to wash the stink off. Yep, gobs and gobs of monies will be disbursed and lots of folks are going to jail.

It's going to be ugly I tell you, they will wish they'd just followed the law when all is said and done.

What kind of mother hides in the house and watches her child be taken away?
Wouldn't you follow your kid to hell itself so they wouldn't be frightened and alone?

This did not happen. Stop making stuff up. No one believes a word out of Tricia McLaughlin's mouth. I stopped believing anything in March when they claimed 300 Tren de Aragua members were sent to the gulag and it turns out maybe, possibly two of them had TdA ties. This time around no one believes the government anymore. We believe the school board members who were present. We believe the family members who were present. We believe the Superintendent of Columbia Heights Public Schools. We believe the family's lawyer. They have been consistent and so far everything they have said is proving to be factual.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will preface this by acknowledging that what happened is sad for this boy who had begun his life here. And not how I’d want things done if I was in charge.

But also wondering - as the media and PPs are accepting at face value that the father has a pending asylum claim, per the attorney. I’m assuming, if he does, then he will be interviewed while in detention, as is still happening. It may be that he goes through the process and is not found eligible for asylum. What do you make of this?

It’s no use to be objective or logical with this crowd. The people want to be outraged, so the people will be outraged. There’s no such thing as a fake asylum claim! #believealleconomicmigrants

It's not a fake asylum claim because you say it's so. There are well pled cases and not well pled cases. Either the Judge gets to decide and not some anon keyboard warrior with an on-line degree from Trump U.

With a good pro-bono lawyer anyone can prepare and make a good case for asylum. There is a definite formula to be followed. I've yet to appear in court on an asylum claim that wasn't successful. The courts are so backed up right now, that a person can stay in the US for a very long time until their cases are heard. That's not the fault of those seeking asylum, I imagine whatever is being spent on ICE could have funded lots of court proceedings and lots of Judges.

I appreciate the partially civil response, but just like I can’t say with certainty that his asylum case is fake, neither do you know that it is legitimate. And your point above about the formula goes to my point: economic migrants are coached on what to say. That doesn’t mean it’s TRUE. The reality is that most of them are looking for a better opportunity. I don’t blame them, but being here in this country is not something they’re entitled to.

Until their asylum case is heard, yes they are very much entitled to be here, and 100% you can bet your silly little heiny that the are almost guaranteed asylum now with a pathway to citizenship.

This man has a lawyer and right about now he is negotiating his release, his rights were violated, and just like all of the family separation cases he will be granted asylum, healthcare, mental health and trauma counseling, stipends and a clean and clean pathway to citzenship.

Hopefully a sane country will give him asylum. People are not safe here anymore. I remember when we were the good guys.