Trapped/Re-aging Families, How are you having the conversation?

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My kids 4th team scrimmaged the lower age groups 1st and 2nd team and beat them both by a lot of goals. Tryouts will be interesting for sure!

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

Yes, hilarious!

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious how it will work for our team because of some unique scenarios with the birth year 2010/current 9th and 10th graders

-August birthday in 9th grade
-August birthday in 10th grade
-September birthday in 9th grade
-December birthday but started school in NE so in 10th grade

All are current starters and one is a goalie.

Well, they don't have to worry about being trapped in 8th grade, so they should play up on the 08-09 if they are good enough otherwise they should play on the 09-10 team. This also depends on spots available. Sometimes, at these ages, it becomes harder to field teams, and that could impact who is where.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious how it will work for our team because of some unique scenarios with the birth year 2010/current 9th and 10th graders

-August birthday in 9th grade
-August birthday in 10th grade
-September birthday in 9th grade
-December birthday but started school in NE so in 10th grade

All are current starters and one is a goalie.

The goal for every club is going to be make the strongest teams possible. That means the starting point will be to put every player on the team strictly according to the new cutoffs. Then the club will make exceptions based on where the gaps are on a team by team basis (e.g. 10th grade team has 3 goalies but 11th grade team has one so someone plays up). A lot will be unknown until the spring when the club see how many new players show up at tryouts, and how many of their own players are lost to other clubs. Expect a lot of shuffling all the way until next summer.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious how it will work for our team because of some unique scenarios with the birth year 2010/current 9th and 10th graders

-August birthday in 9th grade
-August birthday in 10th grade
-September birthday in 9th grade
-December birthday but started school in NE so in 10th grade

All are current starters and one is a goalie.

The goal for every club is going to be make the strongest teams possible. That means the starting point will be to put every player on the team strictly according to the new cutoffs. Then the club will make exceptions based on where the gaps are on a team by team basis (e.g. 10th grade team has 3 goalies but 11th grade team has one so someone plays up). A lot will be unknown until the spring when the club see how many new players show up at tryouts, and how many of their own players are lost to other clubs. Expect a lot of shuffling all the way until next summer.

I also expect there will be a lot of "promises" made in order to keep the good players from leaving their club. There will be parents telling coaches they will only stay with the club if their kid is allowed to play on the up age team. If you are a good enough player to have leverage I suggest making your concerns known to the club now.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious how it will work for our team because of some unique scenarios with the birth year 2010/current 9th and 10th graders

-August birthday in 9th grade
-August birthday in 10th grade
-September birthday in 9th grade
-December birthday but started school in NE so in 10th grade

All are current starters and one is a goalie.

The goal for every club is going to be make the strongest teams possible. That means the starting point will be to put every player on the team strictly according to the new cutoffs. Then the club will make exceptions based on where the gaps are on a team by team basis (e.g. 10th grade team has 3 goalies but 11th grade team has one so someone plays up). A lot will be unknown until the spring when the club see how many new players show up at tryouts, and how many of their own players are lost to other clubs. Expect a lot of shuffling all the way until next summer.

I also expect there will be a lot of "promises" made in order to keep the good players from leaving their club. There will be parents telling coaches they will only stay with the club if their kid is allowed to play on the up age team. If you are a good enough player to have leverage I suggest making your concerns known to the club now.

A lot of that 'bluster' from parents will also dry up very quickly once evals/tryout season rolls around and they actually see how competitive the environment is going to be (with a lot of outside players in the mix too). So the dad talking shit on the sidelines now to his fellow dads will get very quiet. Bet on it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am curious how it will work for our team because of some unique scenarios with the birth year 2010/current 9th and 10th graders

-August birthday in 9th grade
-August birthday in 10th grade
-September birthday in 9th grade
-December birthday but started school in NE so in 10th grade

All are current starters and one is a goalie.

This will be a good litmus test to see if your club is legitimately competitive and strong. If they are legit competitors, the players will all be in their new age group. If not, you can safely assume your club is not serious and is more akin to a fun town travel club. Nothing wrong with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

Jan 1st to Dec 31st cares about the calendar, not school grade

August 1st to July 31st cares about the calendar, not school grade

School grade only applies to HS soccer, not travel soccer

Appreciate the littles report.

When your kid gets older you'll understand.

HS soccer age is considered u-littles?

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

Dude, just change clubs, then.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

how are you so dense?

Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.

Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.

General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.

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Holdbacks, regrades, redshirts, stupid kids, cheaters, etc whatever you want to call them/it works in HS because to do this you have to hold your kid back a grade (or two) in school.

Young Aug/Sept birthdays in SY playing down doesnt work because players are playing at a lower level but are a grade older in school. In High School terminology the equivalent of this would be a Senior playing on a Junior Varsity team and expecting to get recruited by college coaches.

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Anonymous wrote:Holdbacks, regrades, redshirts, stupid kids, cheaters, etc whatever you want to call them/it works in HS because to do this you have to hold your kid back a grade (or two) in school.

Young Aug/Sept birthdays in SY playing down doesnt work because players are playing at a lower level but are a grade older in school. In High School terminology the equivalent of this would be a Senior playing on a Junior Varsity team and expecting to get recruited by college coaches.

Except that neither team the aug. player would be on is JV. If ECNL/GA/MLSN, they both would be A teams playing before scouts at showcases across the country. If that's not the case, then the player isn't in the main recruiting scene and would need to work even harder to attend ID camps/make connections with coaches.

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Anonymous wrote:Does ecnl going from BY to SY age cutoff change my DC's HS graduation year?

If not, why would college recruiters be confused about when they're graduating?

There is no confusion. Recruiters deal with mixed grad years now. Recruiters already know which players they plan to watch before they even get to the game. It’s a non issue.

Currently mixed team (trapped) players are playing up. With SY mixed team players will be playing down. Which is not desirable and why college coaches will ignore them.

Trapped players are playing their Birth Year, not up.

College coaches only care about the year players graduate HS so yea, from their perspective BY trapped players are playing up.

The college coach knows exactly who they're coming to watch

Been repeated here at nauseum

Which is why clubs playing players on a grade down team screws up their ability to get recruited.

You make absolutely no sense whatsoever

The coach comes out to watch specific recruiting targets based on information they already have
The main one being Graduation Year

It does not matter which club team they are on

You think you can sneak it by a college coachs atrention that you're playing on a grade down level? They'll figure it out quickly and move on to a different player thats playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Clubs don't go by grade level and have nothing to do with school

The coaches know exactly who they're their to watch and when they're graduating

What about this fact is lost on you?

What dont you understand. College coaches arent going to accommodate a player thats X grade in school but playing down a level in club.

If you're playing down in club, then college coaches wouldn't be recruiting you anyway

BY or SY or GY

Correct!

But with BY you cant play down. Its just not possible.

With GY you can play down but youd need to be held back a grade (or two) in school.

With SY if you're a certain grade but born Aug/Sept on the young side you might potentially play on a grade down team.

Its not playing down if the age cutoff dictates your August birthday plays U-Whatever

That aside, your mental gymnastics is a waste of time

College Coaches are going after the best players that suit their program's needs and have already been contacted by the interested players. They know exactly who the players are and when they graduate and have already deemed their skillset good enough for them.

Your hypotheticals are nonsense to type during your lunchbreak

Yea you're right college coaches definitely want to recruit a player thats playing a grade down while ignoring the 100s of other players in the same grade playing on a team thats their grade in school.

Though this is waste of time to tell you, college coaches are recruiting trapped players today and have been for years

A 2010 November player is a grade lower than a February 2010 player in school today

The college coaches know that and they will recruit both based on their graduating year.

This is above your IQ obviously but you'll survive, maybe

Might want to check your own IQ

In BY trapped players are playing up a grade.

In SY trapped players (if you want to call them that) are playing down a grade.

The difference is with SY "trapped players" can play up on a team their grade in school.

What does Club Travel Soccer have to do with school grade if its entirely based on Calendar Birth Year?

If grade in school is completely independent from club soccer then why change from BY to SY?

What school paperwork did you sign for your kid to play travel club soccer?

Apparently Arlington just sent a request for players grade in school to parents. Does that count? Seems like it would.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Nope. Doesn't count.
When Arlington asks for the players school to provide documentation or vice versa, as a condition to play, then Club soccer is tied to Schools

So they just want to know players grade in school for no reason. You know, just because.

Come on drop the facade and face reality.

Please create your own thread OR at least share what your kid's club is saying about the transition (the point of this thread).

Please shut up. I already have.

https://arlingtonsoccer.com/programs/travel/age-group-transition

Arlington is pretty clear that the date window 8/1-7/31 is the main determinant for age groups. Doesn't say anything close to forcing kids to play up based on grade.

But yet they just sent out an email to parents asking what grade their kid is in school. Hmmmm....

They stated the date window. Fact

They made no mention of school grade requirements. Fact

Who are you arguing with? No one ever said there is a school grade "requiment" the point is clubs that aren't a-holes are going to work with families of Aug and Sept misaligned players and determine what is the best for them.

What are August and September players misaligned with?

There are some states with a 10/1 (or later) cutoff for school so some August/September players who started school on time will be in a grade above most of their new teammates after the age change.

There is also a poster on here who thinks there should be a rule to force these players to play in an age group older so they play with their grade in school. He’s monopolized quite a few threads and has gotten pretty inappropriate in regards to how coaches and other parents should treat these players who may play in their correct age group.

It only matters if your kid plans to play in college.

Also, not inappropriate at all.

Agree, inappropriate to try to force rules on kids and teams that don't exist. Keep your eyes on your own kid(s).

Yea dont want a kid a grade older playing down on my kids team.

If you're looking to play down HS Soccer is more your speed.

You’re not their parent, you’re not the coach, you don’t have a choice. Kids can play in their correct age group. See how that works?

We shall soon see. Once 4-5 parents say they'll leave the team if the club allows grade older players to play down things will be addressed quickly. See how that works

Wow! If there are that many misaligned players on 1 team they really should have stuck with 9/1.

This guy is saying that 4-5 other parents with players properly placed on the team will threaten to leave if misaligned players are allowed to play their correct age group.

Truly bizarre beliefs.

If your kid was one of the best ones on the team with legitimate D1 possibilities you'd understand. Nobody wants a player thats a grade older taking up minutes from your team where everyone else is a grade younger. It screws up recruiting for both the kid playing down and thd rest of the players on the team they're playing on. You dont know anybody this yet because your kid is too young.

In BY current age cutoff, all Sep to Dec players are a grade below their teammates

It isn't a recruiting issue for college coaches or the kids now, but you either already know that or you don't want to know that.

how are you so dense?

Under BY younger grade players are playing on teams that are mostly a grade above them. From a college recruiter perspective this is desirable because trapped players are playing at a higher level.

Under SY Aug/Sept "trapped player" are playing on a team a grade down in school at a lower level then all other players in their grade. This is not desireable from a college recruiter perspective.

General FYI if in SY you played down a grade in school on a lower level team the way to make recruiting work would be to hold your kid back a year. Then their graduation. year would align with the grade team they're playing on.

Are you a college recruiter OR do you just claim to know what they want?