Proudly harboring the undocumented

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

And, you are breaking the law.

Indeed. Are you willing to go to jail for years? When ICE comes, are you going to forcibly resist them? Just because you believe something is morally wrong doesn't mean you get to break the law.

I'm not going to jail. That's ridiculous. And ICE isn't allowed on my property without a warrant, and they don't know -- and can't know -- that he comes here to work because I pay cash.

He’s Definitely not pay taxes. Are you paying them?

I've said since the beginning of this thread that I assume he's not paying income taxes -- but that doesn't mean he isn't paying ANY taxes. He's paying sales taxes, etc. And, no, I'm not paying them because I have no obligation to.

As an employer, you do have obligation wither to issue 1099 to your employer, so he can pay taxes on his earnings, or to issue a W-2 form and to withhold and pay his taxes. So you are saying you violating the law?

I'm not his "employer."

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

And, you are breaking the law.

The people who harbored Anne Frank also broke the law.

Exactly. Bad laws are meant to be broken.

So, you're saying the people your illegal servants are fleeing are Nazi's? Why aren't you advocating for sanctions and war?

I don't see how you can be on good terms with people in Latin America when you think their plight is the same as Nazi repression.

No the OP is down in Latin America on vacation, good times.

OP here. I'm not equating the plight of those seeking better lives for themselves generally with the plight of those fleeing the Nazis. But I'm not begrudging them either. I don't think it's morally right to penalize them just because they weren't born here. Once they're here, following the law, and want to work I will hire them. They deserve nothing less. God Bless.

If you do not feel a duty to your fellow Americans why should anybody in this country feel any duty to the common good?

You are truly a broken record.

The “common good” to mean includes hardworking non-citizens.

I’ll stop asking the question once you answer it, which you refuse to do by ignoring or evading the question.

Why should Americans feel a duty to the American common good if you don’t feel a duty to your fellow Americans?

And you guys wonder why Trump wins elections and you will be just as befuddled when Vance wins.

That one left political party in Europe is the only one that has figured it out: protect domestic working class labor markets, control immigration to an extremely manageable level and you can have all the other progressive policies your heart desires. Instead you gift wrap this massive issue up to the Republican Party.

Europe? This is the United States of America. We are a vast country . We have crumbling depopulating post-industrial cities. We need people. Tough hard-working industrious people. The only post-industrial cities near me with increasing population, enjoy that because of immigration. You have a bunch of people ready to go there. Who are they?

Why should Americans feel a duty to the American common good if you don’t feel a duty to your fellow Americans?

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Anonymous wrote:And you decided to post this for bum pats?.

You know how Trump loves to "own the libs?" Well, this lib loves to own the Trumpers. We're out here doing all that we can to undermine all of you fascists.

An elitist who hates his fellow Americans and then wonders why they vote “fascist”. It really is a mystery. Enjoy President Vance in in a little over 3 years…

The right ran with that study that showed people on the left feel affinity and empathy for more distant people while the right feels it on a local, immediate level. This poster is the poster child for that study.

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Anonymous wrote:And you decided to post this for bum pats?.

You know how Trump loves to "own the libs?" Well, this lib loves to own the Trumpers. We're out here doing all that we can to undermine all of you fascists.

An elitist who hates his fellow Americans and then wonders why they vote “fascist”. It really is a mystery. Enjoy President Vance in in a little over 3 years…

The right ran with that study that showed people on the left feel affinity and empathy for more distant people while the right feels it on a local, immediate level. This poster is the poster child for that study.

He's not more "distant." He lives here. He may not be documented, but he's here -- and he works hard. So, no, I'm not turning him in or not hiring him just because he's not documented.

I 100 percent do feel less empathy for the lazy "domestic" slobs around here who work half as hard, don't take advantage of any of the opportunities that surround them, and then blame everything on the brown man and vote for Trump.

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This is a big reason I quit voting Democrat. I mean of all the big sounding issues they want to solve this is the one they prioritize above all else. I just don't get it. It's so inconsistent with all of their other planks.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a big reason I quit voting Democrat. I mean of all the big sounding issues they want to solve this is the one they prioritize above all else. I just don't get it. It's so inconsistent with all of their other planks.

Because they're barely treading water on election numbers. You fix that by cobbling disparate groups together and offering them payoffs to vote a certain way. One of those groups are the multiculturalists.

It's an important slice of the leftist (pretty much textbook committed communist) vote today. They aren't even trying to hide it anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

And, you are breaking the law.

Indeed. Are you willing to go to jail for years? When ICE comes, are you going to forcibly resist them? Just because you believe something is morally wrong doesn't mean you get to break the law.

I'm not going to jail. That's ridiculous. And ICE isn't allowed on my property without a warrant, and they don't know -- and can't know -- that he comes here to work because I pay cash.

He’s Definitely not pay taxes. Are you paying them?

I've said since the beginning of this thread that I assume he's not paying income taxes -- but that doesn't mean he isn't paying ANY taxes. He's paying sales taxes, etc. And, no, I'm not paying them because I have no obligation to.

As an employer, you do have obligation wither to issue 1099 to your employer, so he can pay taxes on his earnings, or to issue a W-2 form and to withhold and pay his taxes. So you are saying you violating the law?

I'm not his "employer."

Yes you are.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

Why don't you properly hire his/her and petition for their work visa or any other immigration visa? What stops you to do it a legal way if you are such a morally right person?

You know nothing. Under the current law, there is literally no way for him to get legal status. None. You're one of the many who think there's some kind of "line" he can get into. There is none.

Why you cannot create an LLC and hire him, or help him to obtain a business visa for legally conducting business in US? What exactly prevents you from helping this individual?

Look, I'm a lawyer, ok? There's no way I can make the guy legal. I know it.

I AM helping him in the one way I can. I pay him well and I help to harbor him.

I’m gonna be LMAO at the future thread where you complain about how uncaring was to catch a Bar Association sanction for this!


Nah. We en that happens, you’ll never post that. Too embarrassing.

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Anonymous wrote:And you decided to post this for bum pats?.

You know how Trump loves to "own the libs?" Well, this lib loves to own the Trumpers. We're out here doing all that we can to undermine all of you fascists.

An elitist who hates his fellow Americans and then wonders why they vote “fascist”. It really is a mystery. Enjoy President Vance in in a little over 3 years…

The right ran with that study that showed people on the left feel affinity and empathy for more distant people while the right feels it on a local, immediate level. This poster is the poster child for that study.

He's not more "distant." He lives here. He may not be documented, but he's here -- and he works hard. So, no, I'm not turning him in or not hiring him just because he's not documented.

I 100 percent do feel less empathy for the lazy "domestic" slobs around here who work half as hard, don't take advantage of any of the opportunities that surround them, and then blame everything on the brown man and vote for Trump.

Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't undercut the economic power of domestic labor those workers could earn a decent wage above board, and then they could live with dignity. They would psychologically "buy into the system" and you would get the industrious, hardworking labor you claim to want. As it is, you whole-heartedly embrace a system that economically devastates the most vulnerable among the American labor force, destroys their communities, perpetuates inequality to your benefit, and then you have the audacity to blame them for the damage done to them and for "not working hard" for the crap wage you are offering. And you seem unable to comprehend why these people are voting "fascist".

Please try to think hard and answer the following question: If a business was providing you the services you want at the quality you want, what price would the business need to charge you to (a) comply with all applicable laws; (b) pay a domestic laborer a salary that matches the economic (purchasing) power of $36/hr to your undocumented laborer; and (c) earn a modest profit margin (8-12%) for the capital behind the business? What would be the consequences to everyone (you, domestic labor, undocumented labor) if that were the market-clearing price of labor?

If you can honestly answer this question, then you have a decent chance at understanding the problem. Nobody is asking you to turn in your undocumented laborer. Nobody is questioning the intentions, nobility or industriousness of your undocumented laborer. Just try to focus on the economic issue. What number do you come out to?

If you really, really want to blow your mind, ask yourself why real wage growth during the first Trump term was so robust relative to other presidencies? Scroll to the bottom if you just want to look at the visual.

https://perc.tamu.edu/blog/2024/02/presidents-real-wages.html

Maybe you want to ask yourself why blue collar real wage growth seems to happen at the start of Trump administrations and not other administrations?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/icymi-blue-collar-wage-growth-sees-largest-increase-in-nearly-60-years-under-trump/

Perhaps you prefer some interesting data on what happens to real wage growth at the bottom of the economic spectrum when labor markets get tight (recall, that the pandemic shut down migration at the border in 2020)?

https://www.epi.org/publication/strong-wage-growth-for-low-wage-workers-bucks-the-historic-trend/

Perhaps you think those real wage gains were solely due to the pandemic. What do you think was happening in December of 2019 when Trump had tightened the labor market, including through immigration enforcement? We actually had this amazingly, weird anomalous situation where rank-and-file workers were registering stronger wage gains than the bosses. Imagine that!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rank-and-file-workers-get-bigger-raises-11577442600?mod=hp_lead_pos1

This is an economic issue. But, like you keep saying, you have no moral or legal obligation of solidarity with your fellow Americans and the domestic, legal workforce of this country. Screw them and laugh while you "own" them, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I'll take "things that never happened" for $200 Alex.

You can say that all you want, but it doesn't make it any more true. Here is my last text exchange with the guy, translated from Spanish:

"Hi, you can expect me on Monday around noon.

Hi, ok perfect, I won't be here when you arrive because I'm taking the grandkids to a matinee but I'll be back before you finish I'm sure."

That's how we operate. I have no reason to make this up. Why in the world would you think it's so unbelievable? Because I actually pay him well?

Your made-up text messages don't prove the truth of your made-up story.

Care to explain why you think this is such an outrageous story? It’s happening all the time in the USA.

Yes, there are definitely people all over the USA texting their lawn guy that they’re “taking their grandkids to a matinee” and then coming into DCUM and bragging about “that’s just how they operate.”

They used to brag about how many slaves they owned. It was a status symbol.

Such a tired and offensive analogy.

Yet somehow so satisfying to keep pointing out. Do you have any other hobbies besides bragging about how many illegal servants you have?

Maybe. You sound jealous.

You haven't seen my glutes after I use my manual push mower. Then we'll talk about who is jealous.

Very true. People are paying to drive to a gym to get on a treadmill. I’m using manual tools to cut overhanging branches and weeds that are like trees. Mowing a small mower and planting flowers in my garden. Sweating and working on my muscles and strength. (I’m female). Lawncare using manual tools is great exercise.

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Anonymous wrote:So effectively an indentured servant?

Considering that we pay him more than triple the minimum wage in our state? I don’t think so.

I don't believe this. Can you show us the proof?

I pay 36 an hour. The minimum wage here is under 10. That's more than three times the minimum wage. What more do you want?

Minimum wage is a disgrace. Landscapers make more than minimum wage.

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The democrats are truly the pro crime party. Even the attorneys among them, like OP, who are bound to ethics rules, gleefully break the law and brag about it. I don't understand why this OP is flexing on this.

Look, I get wanting to help people. Even my MAGA mom once let a woman who came in illegally live in her house while she took some classes. It's fine to be empathetic. But that doesnt mean that we should live in a state of anarchy because some illegals have our sympathy. And your desire to "harbor illegals" doesnt make you morally superior to people who are taking a more measured approach to defending the US interest.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a big reason I quit voting Democrat. I mean of all the big sounding issues they want to solve this is the one they prioritize above all else. I just don't get it. It's so inconsistent with all of their other planks.

You don't vote Democrat because guys like me hire hardworking folks who are already here and have long been here and who do good work and pay them well regardless of documented? I don't believe you ever did vote Democrat.

By the way, since buying this place a half dozen or so years ago I've hired a lot of people to do a lot of things. Painters, landscapers, gardeners, cleaners, roofers, electricians, plumbers, junk haulers, bricklayers, pool guys, septic tank guys, fence repairers, you name it, and I've never once asked any of them about their citizenship.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

Why don't you properly hire his/her and petition for their work visa or any other immigration visa? What stops you to do it a legal way if you are such a morally right person?

You know nothing. Under the current law, there is literally no way for him to get legal status. None. You're one of the many who think there's some kind of "line" he can get into. There is none.

Why you cannot create an LLC and hire him, or help him to obtain a business visa for legally conducting business in US? What exactly prevents you from helping this individual?

Look, I'm a lawyer, ok? There's no way I can make the guy legal. I know it.

I AM helping him in the one way I can. I pay him well and I help to harbor him.

I’m gonna be LMAO at the future thread where you complain about how uncaring was to catch a Bar Association sanction for this!


Nah. We en that happens, you’ll never post that. Too embarrassing.

I don't practice law anymore. I retired young a long time ago. I'm not concerned.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

And, you are breaking the law.

Indeed. Are you willing to go to jail for years? When ICE comes, are you going to forcibly resist them? Just because you believe something is morally wrong doesn't mean you get to break the law.

I'm not going to jail. That's ridiculous. And ICE isn't allowed on my property without a warrant, and they don't know -- and can't know -- that he comes here to work because I pay cash.

He’s Definitely not pay taxes. Are you paying them?

I've said since the beginning of this thread that I assume he's not paying income taxes -- but that doesn't mean he isn't paying ANY taxes. He's paying sales taxes, etc. And, no, I'm not paying them because I have no obligation to.

As an employer, you do have obligation wither to issue 1099 to your employer, so he can pay taxes on his earnings, or to issue a W-2 form and to withhold and pay his taxes. So you are saying you violating the law?

I'm not his "employer."

Yes you are.

Nope. Either you don't know the law, or you're not grasping how it applies to our arrangement.