Proudly harboring the undocumented

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Anonymous wrote:And you decided to post this for bum pats?.

You know how Trump loves to "own the libs?" Well, this lib loves to own the Trumpers. We're out here doing all that we can to undermine all of you fascists.

An elitist who hates his fellow Americans and then wonders why they vote “fascist”. It really is a mystery. Enjoy President Vance in in a little over 3 years…

The right ran with that study that showed people on the left feel affinity and empathy for more distant people while the right feels it on a local, immediate level. This poster is the poster child for that study.

He's not more "distant." He lives here. He may not be documented, but he's here -- and he works hard. So, no, I'm not turning him in or not hiring him just because he's not documented.

I 100 percent do feel less empathy for the lazy "domestic" slobs around here who work half as hard, don't take advantage of any of the opportunities that surround them, and then blame everything on the brown man and vote for Trump.

Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't undercut the economic power of domestic labor those workers could earn a decent wage above board, and then they could live with dignity. They would psychologically "buy into the system" and you would get the industrious, hardworking labor you claim to want. As it is, you whole-heartedly embrace a system that economically devastates the most vulnerable among the American labor force, destroys their communities, perpetuates inequality to your benefit, and then you have the audacity to blame them for the damage done to them and for "not working hard" for the crap wage you are offering. And you seem unable to comprehend why these people are voting "fascist".

Please try to think hard and answer the following question: If a business was providing you the services you want at the quality you want, what price would the business need to charge you to (a) comply with all applicable laws; (b) pay a domestic laborer a salary that matches the economic (purchasing) power of $36/hr to your undocumented laborer; and (c) earn a modest profit margin (8-12%) for the capital behind the business? What would be the consequences to everyone (you, domestic labor, undocumented labor) if that were the market-clearing price of labor?

If you can honestly answer this question, then you have a decent chance at understanding the problem. Nobody is asking you to turn in your undocumented laborer. Nobody is questioning the intentions, nobility or industriousness of your undocumented laborer. Just try to focus on the economic issue. What number do you come out to?

If you really, really want to blow your mind, ask yourself why real wage growth during the first Trump term was so robust relative to other presidencies? Scroll to the bottom if you just want to look at the visual.

https://perc.tamu.edu/blog/2024/02/presidents-real-wages.html

Maybe you want to ask yourself why blue collar real wage growth seems to happen at the start of Trump administrations and not other administrations?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/icymi-blue-collar-wage-growth-sees-largest-increase-in-nearly-60-years-under-trump/

Perhaps you prefer some interesting data on what happens to real wage growth at the bottom of the economic spectrum when labor markets get tight (recall, that the pandemic shut down migration at the border in 2020)?

https://www.epi.org/publication/strong-wage-growth-for-low-wage-workers-bucks-the-historic-trend/

Perhaps you think those real wage gains were solely due to the pandemic. What do you think was happening in December of 2019 when Trump had tightened the labor market, including through immigration enforcement? We actually had this amazingly, weird anomalous situation where rank-and-file workers were registering stronger wage gains than the bosses. Imagine that!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rank-and-file-workers-get-bigger-raises-11577442600?mod=hp_lead_pos1

This is an economic issue. But, like you keep saying, you have no moral or legal obligation of solidarity with your fellow Americans and the domestic, legal workforce of this country. Screw them and laugh while you "own" them, right?

Trump only cares about himself. I'm in a deeply red state and he's made no difference in the economic life of the working class here. At all. They all vote for him, and they all vote red at the state and local level as well. In the primary races all the ads talked about was which red candidate hated transgendered folks the most and would segregate the bathrooms more rigidly.

In the middle of the pandemic I solicited bids to replace the roof on my horse stables. Once youngish guy, maybe 40, could barely make it up from front steps to talk things over with me. He told me he was still recovering from a terrible case of Covid. I asked whether he was vaccinated. Nope, he said, he never got vaccinated because "nobody I know has." This is the mindset that I deal with every day around here.

Nice job evading the core of the issue. Trump's motives are only marginally relevant. Yes Donald Trump is a narcissist who only cares about himself. It does not change the fact that (whether intended or not) his policies tighten up the domestic labor market and result in real wage gains for American workers, especially in the bottom half of the income distribution. The answer to reducing inequality and giving labor more bargaining power is so mind-numbingly obvious: tighten up the labor market by enforcing immigration laws. But you would rather sacrifice the American worker than admit that for whatever reason, Trump is right on this issue (at least economically).

I'm not "sacrificing the American worker" by hiring a guy who's been minding his own business working his ass off for decades while so many of the "American workers" sit around and do nothing but complain and be racist while they're at it. I myself was an "American worker" whose parents never finished high school, who started working in restaurant kitchens at 12 and who never stopped to take a breath until I accumulated significant wealth, put my kids through college and grad school and weddings and down payments until I finally decided to call it a day. While doing all of that I also paid lots and lots of taxes -- never cutting corners -- donated plenty and did lots of pro bono work. I don't have to "admit" anything. I may not be perfect but I couldn't give two shits about lazy people who do lousy work and then blame undocumented immigrants for their problems. I don't under pay and I don't undercut. Show me your work, not your papers, and you'll get my respect and my money.

Increasing the supply of [labor] reduces the market clearing price of [labor]. Increasing the supply of [labor] through gray/black market supply reduces the market clearing price of [labor] even more. The math has been explained to you over and over and over again. You refuse to engage with it because the problem is so manifestly obvious that your personal behavior and position cannot be reasonably justified.

You are sacrificing the American worker, but you are so transparently committed to the self-deluded righteousness of your behavior (and you are likely addicted to the cheap labor) that you cannot permit yourself to see the simple truth that is staring you right in the face: Increasing the supply of labor lowers the market clearing price of labor to the detriment of labor.

Show me your work, not your papers, and you'll get my respect and my money.

This is comically unaware coming from you. Your livelihood was based on a special license issued by the government (combined with protectionist legislation/rules/regulations) that authorized you to work and served an important gatekeeping function to keep other people from competing with you. Your wages were propped up by that licensing regime that protected you from competition. Your career was based on protectionist papers and you had no problem cashing those checks. You even brag about your wealth. But then you profess that protectionist papers should not matter to anyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:And you decided to post this for bum pats?.

You know how Trump loves to "own the libs?" Well, this lib loves to own the Trumpers. We're out here doing all that we can to undermine all of you fascists.

An elitist who hates his fellow Americans and then wonders why they vote “fascist”. It really is a mystery. Enjoy President Vance in in a little over 3 years…

The right ran with that study that showed people on the left feel affinity and empathy for more distant people while the right feels it on a local, immediate level. This poster is the poster child for that study.

He's not more "distant." He lives here. He may not be documented, but he's here -- and he works hard. So, no, I'm not turning him in or not hiring him just because he's not documented.

I 100 percent do feel less empathy for the lazy "domestic" slobs around here who work half as hard, don't take advantage of any of the opportunities that surround them, and then blame everything on the brown man and vote for Trump.

Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't undercut the economic power of domestic labor those workers could earn a decent wage above board, and then they could live with dignity. They would psychologically "buy into the system" and you would get the industrious, hardworking labor you claim to want. As it is, you whole-heartedly embrace a system that economically devastates the most vulnerable among the American labor force, destroys their communities, perpetuates inequality to your benefit, and then you have the audacity to blame them for the damage done to them and for "not working hard" for the crap wage you are offering. And you seem unable to comprehend why these people are voting "fascist".

Please try to think hard and answer the following question: If a business was providing you the services you want at the quality you want, what price would the business need to charge you to (a) comply with all applicable laws; (b) pay a domestic laborer a salary that matches the economic (purchasing) power of $36/hr to your undocumented laborer; and (c) earn a modest profit margin (8-12%) for the capital behind the business? What would be the consequences to everyone (you, domestic labor, undocumented labor) if that were the market-clearing price of labor?

If you can honestly answer this question, then you have a decent chance at understanding the problem. Nobody is asking you to turn in your undocumented laborer. Nobody is questioning the intentions, nobility or industriousness of your undocumented laborer. Just try to focus on the economic issue. What number do you come out to?

If you really, really want to blow your mind, ask yourself why real wage growth during the first Trump term was so robust relative to other presidencies? Scroll to the bottom if you just want to look at the visual.

https://perc.tamu.edu/blog/2024/02/presidents-real-wages.html

Maybe you want to ask yourself why blue collar real wage growth seems to happen at the start of Trump administrations and not other administrations?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/icymi-blue-collar-wage-growth-sees-largest-increase-in-nearly-60-years-under-trump/

Perhaps you prefer some interesting data on what happens to real wage growth at the bottom of the economic spectrum when labor markets get tight (recall, that the pandemic shut down migration at the border in 2020)?

https://www.epi.org/publication/strong-wage-growth-for-low-wage-workers-bucks-the-historic-trend/

Perhaps you think those real wage gains were solely due to the pandemic. What do you think was happening in December of 2019 when Trump had tightened the labor market, including through immigration enforcement? We actually had this amazingly, weird anomalous situation where rank-and-file workers were registering stronger wage gains than the bosses. Imagine that!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rank-and-file-workers-get-bigger-raises-11577442600?mod=hp_lead_pos1

This is an economic issue. But, like you keep saying, you have no moral or legal obligation of solidarity with your fellow Americans and the domestic, legal workforce of this country. Screw them and laugh while you "own" them, right?

Trump only cares about himself. I'm in a deeply red state and he's made no difference in the economic life of the working class here. At all. They all vote for him, and they all vote red at the state and local level as well. In the primary races all the ads talked about was which red candidate hated transgendered folks the most and would segregate the bathrooms more rigidly.

In the middle of the pandemic I solicited bids to replace the roof on my horse stables. Once youngish guy, maybe 40, could barely make it up from front steps to talk things over with me. He told me he was still recovering from a terrible case of Covid. I asked whether he was vaccinated. Nope, he said, he never got vaccinated because "nobody I know has." This is the mindset that I deal with every day around here.

Nice job evading the core of the issue. Trump's motives are only marginally relevant. Yes Donald Trump is a narcissist who only cares about himself. It does not change the fact that (whether intended or not) his policies tighten up the domestic labor market and result in real wage gains for American workers, especially in the bottom half of the income distribution. The answer to reducing inequality and giving labor more bargaining power is so mind-numbingly obvious: tighten up the labor market by enforcing immigration laws. But you would rather sacrifice the American worker than admit that for whatever reason, Trump is right on this issue (at least economically).

I'm not "sacrificing the American worker" by hiring a guy who's been minding his own business working his ass off for decades while so many of the "American workers" sit around and do nothing but complain and be racist while they're at it. I myself was an "American worker" whose parents never finished high school, who started working in restaurant kitchens at 12 and who never stopped to take a breath until I accumulated significant wealth, put my kids through college and grad school and weddings and down payments until I finally decided to call it a day. While doing all of that I also paid lots and lots of taxes -- never cutting corners -- donated plenty and did lots of pro bono work. I don't have to "admit" anything. I may not be perfect but I couldn't give two shits about lazy people who do lousy work and then blame undocumented immigrants for their problems. I don't under pay and I don't undercut. Show me your work, not your papers, and you'll get my respect and my money.

You’re just another class sellout who denigrates those who didn’t make it even though you should understand their plight. That’s much worse than any old ignorant wealthy scion who feels the same way.

I read it the same way. There is a hint of self-loathing in there.

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Anonymous wrote:And you decided to post this for bum pats?.

You know how Trump loves to "own the libs?" Well, this lib loves to own the Trumpers. We're out here doing all that we can to undermine all of you fascists.

An elitist who hates his fellow Americans and then wonders why they vote “fascist”. It really is a mystery. Enjoy President Vance in in a little over 3 years…

The right ran with that study that showed people on the left feel affinity and empathy for more distant people while the right feels it on a local, immediate level. This poster is the poster child for that study.

He's not more "distant." He lives here. He may not be documented, but he's here -- and he works hard. So, no, I'm not turning him in or not hiring him just because he's not documented.

I 100 percent do feel less empathy for the lazy "domestic" slobs around here who work half as hard, don't take advantage of any of the opportunities that surround them, and then blame everything on the brown man and vote for Trump.

Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't undercut the economic power of domestic labor those workers could earn a decent wage above board, and then they could live with dignity. They would psychologically "buy into the system" and you would get the industrious, hardworking labor you claim to want. As it is, you whole-heartedly embrace a system that economically devastates the most vulnerable among the American labor force, destroys their communities, perpetuates inequality to your benefit, and then you have the audacity to blame them for the damage done to them and for "not working hard" for the crap wage you are offering. And you seem unable to comprehend why these people are voting "fascist".

Please try to think hard and answer the following question: If a business was providing you the services you want at the quality you want, what price would the business need to charge you to (a) comply with all applicable laws; (b) pay a domestic laborer a salary that matches the economic (purchasing) power of $36/hr to your undocumented laborer; and (c) earn a modest profit margin (8-12%) for the capital behind the business? What would be the consequences to everyone (you, domestic labor, undocumented labor) if that were the market-clearing price of labor?

If you can honestly answer this question, then you have a decent chance at understanding the problem. Nobody is asking you to turn in your undocumented laborer. Nobody is questioning the intentions, nobility or industriousness of your undocumented laborer. Just try to focus on the economic issue. What number do you come out to?

If you really, really want to blow your mind, ask yourself why real wage growth during the first Trump term was so robust relative to other presidencies? Scroll to the bottom if you just want to look at the visual.

https://perc.tamu.edu/blog/2024/02/presidents-real-wages.html

Maybe you want to ask yourself why blue collar real wage growth seems to happen at the start of Trump administrations and not other administrations?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/icymi-blue-collar-wage-growth-sees-largest-increase-in-nearly-60-years-under-trump/

Perhaps you prefer some interesting data on what happens to real wage growth at the bottom of the economic spectrum when labor markets get tight (recall, that the pandemic shut down migration at the border in 2020)?

https://www.epi.org/publication/strong-wage-growth-for-low-wage-workers-bucks-the-historic-trend/

Perhaps you think those real wage gains were solely due to the pandemic. What do you think was happening in December of 2019 when Trump had tightened the labor market, including through immigration enforcement? We actually had this amazingly, weird anomalous situation where rank-and-file workers were registering stronger wage gains than the bosses. Imagine that!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rank-and-file-workers-get-bigger-raises-11577442600?mod=hp_lead_pos1

This is an economic issue. But, like you keep saying, you have no moral or legal obligation of solidarity with your fellow Americans and the domestic, legal workforce of this country. Screw them and laugh while you "own" them, right?

Trump only cares about himself. I'm in a deeply red state and he's made no difference in the economic life of the working class here. At all. They all vote for him, and they all vote red at the state and local level as well. In the primary races all the ads talked about was which red candidate hated transgendered folks the most and would segregate the bathrooms more rigidly.

In the middle of the pandemic I solicited bids to replace the roof on my horse stables. Once youngish guy, maybe 40, could barely make it up from front steps to talk things over with me. He told me he was still recovering from a terrible case of Covid. I asked whether he was vaccinated. Nope, he said, he never got vaccinated because "nobody I know has." This is the mindset that I deal with every day around here.

Nice job evading the core of the issue. Trump's motives are only marginally relevant. Yes Donald Trump is a narcissist who only cares about himself. It does not change the fact that (whether intended or not) his policies tighten up the domestic labor market and result in real wage gains for American workers, especially in the bottom half of the income distribution. The answer to reducing inequality and giving labor more bargaining power is so mind-numbingly obvious: tighten up the labor market by enforcing immigration laws. But you would rather sacrifice the American worker than admit that for whatever reason, Trump is right on this issue (at least economically).

I'm not "sacrificing the American worker" by hiring a guy who's been minding his own business working his ass off for decades while so many of the "American workers" sit around and do nothing but complain and be racist while they're at it. I myself was an "American worker" whose parents never finished high school, who started working in restaurant kitchens at 12 and who never stopped to take a breath until I accumulated significant wealth, put my kids through college and grad school and weddings and down payments until I finally decided to call it a day. While doing all of that I also paid lots and lots of taxes -- never cutting corners -- donated plenty and did lots of pro bono work. I don't have to "admit" anything. I may not be perfect but I couldn't give two shits about lazy people who do lousy work and then blame undocumented immigrants for their problems. I don't under pay and I don't undercut. Show me your work, not your papers, and you'll get my respect and my money.

You've laid out that Trump's policies aren't helping the working class in your town. For some reason, you don't seem to hold yourself to the same standard of lifting up your community. You describe your state as deep red, and in most deep red areas, black people and hispanic migrants (legal) make up a large portion of the working class. It's extremely odd to me that you'd turn your back on fellow Americans to give a well paid gig to an illegal with no commitments to your country and community. You seem to also imply that they lack the work ethic to perform the task, which seems unlikely. I also live in a red area and there are relatively few immigrants who work as landscapers. Interestingly, it mostly consists of white men with deep roots in the area; many of them started their landscaping businesses as children and planted every tree and shrub in the neighborhoods where they work, emplaced all the sprinkler systems, etc. They know the areas they work like the backs of their hands and it's really impressive to me, someone who moved from DC where all lawn work is done by recent immigrants.

I'd call twenty years living here a "commitment." What I wouldn't call him is an "illegal."

I'd expect more analytical rigor from an attorney but okay. Keep proudly harboring your illegal gardener and, apparently, keep demanding that DCUM consider you a saint for doing so despite the damage it does to your more vulnerable neighbors.

I'm done with "analytical rigor," ok? Been there done that. Give hardworking, law abiding undocumented immigrants a feasible path to citizenship or legal permanent residency and I'll follow the law. Until then, all bets are off.

I believe you're referring to the same legal path for economic migrants to work here that Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama all referred to when calling on Congress to pass such much needed immigration reform. Take a few minutes of your time to listen to the debate in the link below from 1980 and ask yourself why Congress has failed on this issue for six decades. The truth to that question is painful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmgPp_nlok&t=29s

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Anonymous wrote:And you decided to post this for bum pats?.

You know how Trump loves to "own the libs?" Well, this lib loves to own the Trumpers. We're out here doing all that we can to undermine all of you fascists.

An elitist who hates his fellow Americans and then wonders why they vote “fascist”. It really is a mystery. Enjoy President Vance in in a little over 3 years…

The right ran with that study that showed people on the left feel affinity and empathy for more distant people while the right feels it on a local, immediate level. This poster is the poster child for that study.

He's not more "distant." He lives here. He may not be documented, but he's here -- and he works hard. So, no, I'm not turning him in or not hiring him just because he's not documented.

I 100 percent do feel less empathy for the lazy "domestic" slobs around here who work half as hard, don't take advantage of any of the opportunities that surround them, and then blame everything on the brown man and vote for Trump.

Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't undercut the economic power of domestic labor those workers could earn a decent wage above board, and then they could live with dignity. They would psychologically "buy into the system" and you would get the industrious, hardworking labor you claim to want. As it is, you whole-heartedly embrace a system that economically devastates the most vulnerable among the American labor force, destroys their communities, perpetuates inequality to your benefit, and then you have the audacity to blame them for the damage done to them and for "not working hard" for the crap wage you are offering. And you seem unable to comprehend why these people are voting "fascist".

Please try to think hard and answer the following question: If a business was providing you the services you want at the quality you want, what price would the business need to charge you to (a) comply with all applicable laws; (b) pay a domestic laborer a salary that matches the economic (purchasing) power of $36/hr to your undocumented laborer; and (c) earn a modest profit margin (8-12%) for the capital behind the business? What would be the consequences to everyone (you, domestic labor, undocumented labor) if that were the market-clearing price of labor?

If you can honestly answer this question, then you have a decent chance at understanding the problem. Nobody is asking you to turn in your undocumented laborer. Nobody is questioning the intentions, nobility or industriousness of your undocumented laborer. Just try to focus on the economic issue. What number do you come out to?

If you really, really want to blow your mind, ask yourself why real wage growth during the first Trump term was so robust relative to other presidencies? Scroll to the bottom if you just want to look at the visual.

https://perc.tamu.edu/blog/2024/02/presidents-real-wages.html

Maybe you want to ask yourself why blue collar real wage growth seems to happen at the start of Trump administrations and not other administrations?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/icymi-blue-collar-wage-growth-sees-largest-increase-in-nearly-60-years-under-trump/

Perhaps you prefer some interesting data on what happens to real wage growth at the bottom of the economic spectrum when labor markets get tight (recall, that the pandemic shut down migration at the border in 2020)?

https://www.epi.org/publication/strong-wage-growth-for-low-wage-workers-bucks-the-historic-trend/

Perhaps you think those real wage gains were solely due to the pandemic. What do you think was happening in December of 2019 when Trump had tightened the labor market, including through immigration enforcement? We actually had this amazingly, weird anomalous situation where rank-and-file workers were registering stronger wage gains than the bosses. Imagine that!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rank-and-file-workers-get-bigger-raises-11577442600?mod=hp_lead_pos1

This is an economic issue. But, like you keep saying, you have no moral or legal obligation of solidarity with your fellow Americans and the domestic, legal workforce of this country. Screw them and laugh while you "own" them, right?

Trump only cares about himself. I'm in a deeply red state and he's made no difference in the economic life of the working class here. At all. They all vote for him, and they all vote red at the state and local level as well. In the primary races all the ads talked about was which red candidate hated transgendered folks the most and would segregate the bathrooms more rigidly.

In the middle of the pandemic I solicited bids to replace the roof on my horse stables. Once youngish guy, maybe 40, could barely make it up from front steps to talk things over with me. He told me he was still recovering from a terrible case of Covid. I asked whether he was vaccinated. Nope, he said, he never got vaccinated because "nobody I know has." This is the mindset that I deal with every day around here.

Nice job evading the core of the issue. Trump's motives are only marginally relevant. Yes Donald Trump is a narcissist who only cares about himself. It does not change the fact that (whether intended or not) his policies tighten up the domestic labor market and result in real wage gains for American workers, especially in the bottom half of the income distribution. The answer to reducing inequality and giving labor more bargaining power is so mind-numbingly obvious: tighten up the labor market by enforcing immigration laws. But you would rather sacrifice the American worker than admit that for whatever reason, Trump is right on this issue (at least economically).

I'm not "sacrificing the American worker" by hiring a guy who's been minding his own business working his ass off for decades while so many of the "American workers" sit around and do nothing but complain and be racist while they're at it. I myself was an "American worker" whose parents never finished high school, who started working in restaurant kitchens at 12 and who never stopped to take a breath until I accumulated significant wealth, put my kids through college and grad school and weddings and down payments until I finally decided to call it a day. While doing all of that I also paid lots and lots of taxes -- never cutting corners -- donated plenty and did lots of pro bono work. I don't have to "admit" anything. I may not be perfect but I couldn't give two shits about lazy people who do lousy work and then blame undocumented immigrants for their problems. I don't under pay and I don't undercut. Show me your work, not your papers, and you'll get my respect and my money.

You’re just another class sellout who denigrates those who didn’t make it even though you should understand their plight. That’s much worse than any old ignorant wealthy scion who feels the same way.

I'm good with who I am, thank you.

Yeah bully for you but the rest of us are also well aware of your type. Always self righteous while you sell out other people by spreading stereotypes.

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Anonymous wrote:And you decided to post this for bum pats?.

You know how Trump loves to "own the libs?" Well, this lib loves to own the Trumpers. We're out here doing all that we can to undermine all of you fascists.

An elitist who hates his fellow Americans and then wonders why they vote “fascist”. It really is a mystery. Enjoy President Vance in in a little over 3 years…

The right ran with that study that showed people on the left feel affinity and empathy for more distant people while the right feels it on a local, immediate level. This poster is the poster child for that study.

He's not more "distant." He lives here. He may not be documented, but he's here -- and he works hard. So, no, I'm not turning him in or not hiring him just because he's not documented.

I 100 percent do feel less empathy for the lazy "domestic" slobs around here who work half as hard, don't take advantage of any of the opportunities that surround them, and then blame everything on the brown man and vote for Trump.

Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't undercut the economic power of domestic labor those workers could earn a decent wage above board, and then they could live with dignity. They would psychologically "buy into the system" and you would get the industrious, hardworking labor you claim to want. As it is, you whole-heartedly embrace a system that economically devastates the most vulnerable among the American labor force, destroys their communities, perpetuates inequality to your benefit, and then you have the audacity to blame them for the damage done to them and for "not working hard" for the crap wage you are offering. And you seem unable to comprehend why these people are voting "fascist".

Please try to think hard and answer the following question: If a business was providing you the services you want at the quality you want, what price would the business need to charge you to (a) comply with all applicable laws; (b) pay a domestic laborer a salary that matches the economic (purchasing) power of $36/hr to your undocumented laborer; and (c) earn a modest profit margin (8-12%) for the capital behind the business? What would be the consequences to everyone (you, domestic labor, undocumented labor) if that were the market-clearing price of labor?

If you can honestly answer this question, then you have a decent chance at understanding the problem. Nobody is asking you to turn in your undocumented laborer. Nobody is questioning the intentions, nobility or industriousness of your undocumented laborer. Just try to focus on the economic issue. What number do you come out to?

If you really, really want to blow your mind, ask yourself why real wage growth during the first Trump term was so robust relative to other presidencies? Scroll to the bottom if you just want to look at the visual.

https://perc.tamu.edu/blog/2024/02/presidents-real-wages.html

Maybe you want to ask yourself why blue collar real wage growth seems to happen at the start of Trump administrations and not other administrations?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/icymi-blue-collar-wage-growth-sees-largest-increase-in-nearly-60-years-under-trump/

Perhaps you prefer some interesting data on what happens to real wage growth at the bottom of the economic spectrum when labor markets get tight (recall, that the pandemic shut down migration at the border in 2020)?

https://www.epi.org/publication/strong-wage-growth-for-low-wage-workers-bucks-the-historic-trend/

Perhaps you think those real wage gains were solely due to the pandemic. What do you think was happening in December of 2019 when Trump had tightened the labor market, including through immigration enforcement? We actually had this amazingly, weird anomalous situation where rank-and-file workers were registering stronger wage gains than the bosses. Imagine that!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rank-and-file-workers-get-bigger-raises-11577442600?mod=hp_lead_pos1

This is an economic issue. But, like you keep saying, you have no moral or legal obligation of solidarity with your fellow Americans and the domestic, legal workforce of this country. Screw them and laugh while you "own" them, right?

Trump only cares about himself. I'm in a deeply red state and he's made no difference in the economic life of the working class here. At all. They all vote for him, and they all vote red at the state and local level as well. In the primary races all the ads talked about was which red candidate hated transgendered folks the most and would segregate the bathrooms more rigidly.

In the middle of the pandemic I solicited bids to replace the roof on my horse stables. Once youngish guy, maybe 40, could barely make it up from front steps to talk things over with me. He told me he was still recovering from a terrible case of Covid. I asked whether he was vaccinated. Nope, he said, he never got vaccinated because "nobody I know has." This is the mindset that I deal with every day around here.

Nice job evading the core of the issue. Trump's motives are only marginally relevant. Yes Donald Trump is a narcissist who only cares about himself. It does not change the fact that (whether intended or not) his policies tighten up the domestic labor market and result in real wage gains for American workers, especially in the bottom half of the income distribution. The answer to reducing inequality and giving labor more bargaining power is so mind-numbingly obvious: tighten up the labor market by enforcing immigration laws. But you would rather sacrifice the American worker than admit that for whatever reason, Trump is right on this issue (at least economically).

I'm not "sacrificing the American worker" by hiring a guy who's been minding his own business working his ass off for decades while so many of the "American workers" sit around and do nothing but complain and be racist while they're at it. I myself was an "American worker" whose parents never finished high school, who started working in restaurant kitchens at 12 and who never stopped to take a breath until I accumulated significant wealth, put my kids through college and grad school and weddings and down payments until I finally decided to call it a day. While doing all of that I also paid lots and lots of taxes -- never cutting corners -- donated plenty and did lots of pro bono work. I don't have to "admit" anything. I may not be perfect but I couldn't give two shits about lazy people who do lousy work and then blame undocumented immigrants for their problems. I don't under pay and I don't undercut. Show me your work, not your papers, and you'll get my respect and my money.

You've laid out that Trump's policies aren't helping the working class in your town. For some reason, you don't seem to hold yourself to the same standard of lifting up your community. You describe your state as deep red, and in most deep red areas, black people and hispanic migrants (legal) make up a large portion of the working class. It's extremely odd to me that you'd turn your back on fellow Americans to give a well paid gig to an illegal with no commitments to your country and community. You seem to also imply that they lack the work ethic to perform the task, which seems unlikely. I also live in a red area and there are relatively few immigrants who work as landscapers. Interestingly, it mostly consists of white men with deep roots in the area; many of them started their landscaping businesses as children and planted every tree and shrub in the neighborhoods where they work, emplaced all the sprinkler systems, etc. They know the areas they work like the backs of their hands and it's really impressive to me, someone who moved from DC where all lawn work is done by recent immigrants.

I'd call twenty years living here a "commitment." What I wouldn't call him is an "illegal."

I'd expect more analytical rigor from an attorney but okay. Keep proudly harboring your illegal gardener and, apparently, keep demanding that DCUM consider you a saint for doing so despite the damage it does to your more vulnerable neighbors.

I'm done with "analytical rigor," ok? Been there done that. Give hardworking, law abiding undocumented immigrants a feasible path to citizenship or legal permanent residency and I'll follow the law. Until then, all bets are off.

I believe you're referring to the same legal path for economic migrants to work here that Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama all referred to when calling on Congress to pass such much needed immigration reform. Take a few minutes of your time to listen to the debate in the link below from 1980 and ask yourself why Congress has failed on this issue for six decades. The truth to that question is painful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmgPp_nlok&t=29s

Reagan passed an amnesty combined with enforcement, and the enforcement never happened. The result has been more and more illegal immigrants, just what the OP wants as well as corporate donors to both parties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So effectively an indentured servant?

Brown people who work for democrats are noble. Op pays her brown servants very well, cash only, of course. Wouldn’t want to get involved in taxes for her bffs that do her lawn care. Win/win.

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Anonymous wrote:So effectively an indentured servant?

Brown people who work for democrats are noble. Op pays her brown servants very well, cash only, of course. Wouldn’t want to get involved in taxes for her bffs that do her lawn care. Win/win.

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NP. My MAGA neighbors do the same. Been doing it for years.

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Anonymous wrote:And you decided to post this for bum pats?.

You know how Trump loves to "own the libs?" Well, this lib loves to own the Trumpers. We're out here doing all that we can to undermine all of you fascists.

An elitist who hates his fellow Americans and then wonders why they vote “fascist”. It really is a mystery. Enjoy President Vance in in a little over 3 years…

The right ran with that study that showed people on the left feel affinity and empathy for more distant people while the right feels it on a local, immediate level. This poster is the poster child for that study.

He's not more "distant." He lives here. He may not be documented, but he's here -- and he works hard. So, no, I'm not turning him in or not hiring him just because he's not documented.

I 100 percent do feel less empathy for the lazy "domestic" slobs around here who work half as hard, don't take advantage of any of the opportunities that surround them, and then blame everything on the brown man and vote for Trump.

Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't undercut the economic power of domestic labor those workers could earn a decent wage above board, and then they could live with dignity. They would psychologically "buy into the system" and you would get the industrious, hardworking labor you claim to want. As it is, you whole-heartedly embrace a system that economically devastates the most vulnerable among the American labor force, destroys their communities, perpetuates inequality to your benefit, and then you have the audacity to blame them for the damage done to them and for "not working hard" for the crap wage you are offering. And you seem unable to comprehend why these people are voting "fascist".

Please try to think hard and answer the following question: If a business was providing you the services you want at the quality you want, what price would the business need to charge you to (a) comply with all applicable laws; (b) pay a domestic laborer a salary that matches the economic (purchasing) power of $36/hr to your undocumented laborer; and (c) earn a modest profit margin (8-12%) for the capital behind the business? What would be the consequences to everyone (you, domestic labor, undocumented labor) if that were the market-clearing price of labor?

If you can honestly answer this question, then you have a decent chance at understanding the problem. Nobody is asking you to turn in your undocumented laborer. Nobody is questioning the intentions, nobility or industriousness of your undocumented laborer. Just try to focus on the economic issue. What number do you come out to?

If you really, really want to blow your mind, ask yourself why real wage growth during the first Trump term was so robust relative to other presidencies? Scroll to the bottom if you just want to look at the visual.

https://perc.tamu.edu/blog/2024/02/presidents-real-wages.html

Maybe you want to ask yourself why blue collar real wage growth seems to happen at the start of Trump administrations and not other administrations?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/icymi-blue-collar-wage-growth-sees-largest-increase-in-nearly-60-years-under-trump/

Perhaps you prefer some interesting data on what happens to real wage growth at the bottom of the economic spectrum when labor markets get tight (recall, that the pandemic shut down migration at the border in 2020)?

https://www.epi.org/publication/strong-wage-growth-for-low-wage-workers-bucks-the-historic-trend/

Perhaps you think those real wage gains were solely due to the pandemic. What do you think was happening in December of 2019 when Trump had tightened the labor market, including through immigration enforcement? We actually had this amazingly, weird anomalous situation where rank-and-file workers were registering stronger wage gains than the bosses. Imagine that!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rank-and-file-workers-get-bigger-raises-11577442600?mod=hp_lead_pos1

This is an economic issue. But, like you keep saying, you have no moral or legal obligation of solidarity with your fellow Americans and the domestic, legal workforce of this country. Screw them and laugh while you "own" them, right?

Trump only cares about himself. I'm in a deeply red state and he's made no difference in the economic life of the working class here. At all. They all vote for him, and they all vote red at the state and local level as well. In the primary races all the ads talked about was which red candidate hated transgendered folks the most and would segregate the bathrooms more rigidly.

In the middle of the pandemic I solicited bids to replace the roof on my horse stables. Once youngish guy, maybe 40, could barely make it up from front steps to talk things over with me. He told me he was still recovering from a terrible case of Covid. I asked whether he was vaccinated. Nope, he said, he never got vaccinated because "nobody I know has." This is the mindset that I deal with every day around here.

Nice job evading the core of the issue. Trump's motives are only marginally relevant. Yes Donald Trump is a narcissist who only cares about himself. It does not change the fact that (whether intended or not) his policies tighten up the domestic labor market and result in real wage gains for American workers, especially in the bottom half of the income distribution. The answer to reducing inequality and giving labor more bargaining power is so mind-numbingly obvious: tighten up the labor market by enforcing immigration laws. But you would rather sacrifice the American worker than admit that for whatever reason, Trump is right on this issue (at least economically).

I'm not "sacrificing the American worker" by hiring a guy who's been minding his own business working his ass off for decades while so many of the "American workers" sit around and do nothing but complain and be racist while they're at it. I myself was an "American worker" whose parents never finished high school, who started working in restaurant kitchens at 12 and who never stopped to take a breath until I accumulated significant wealth, put my kids through college and grad school and weddings and down payments until I finally decided to call it a day. While doing all of that I also paid lots and lots of taxes -- never cutting corners -- donated plenty and did lots of pro bono work. I don't have to "admit" anything. I may not be perfect but I couldn't give two shits about lazy people who do lousy work and then blame undocumented immigrants for their problems. I don't under pay and I don't undercut. Show me your work, not your papers, and you'll get my respect and my money.

Increasing the supply of [labor] reduces the market clearing price of [labor]. Increasing the supply of [labor] through gray/black market supply reduces the market clearing price of [labor] even more. The math has been explained to you over and over and over again. You refuse to engage with it because the problem is so manifestly obvious that your personal behavior and position cannot be reasonably justified.

You are sacrificing the American worker, but you are so transparently committed to the self-deluded righteousness of your behavior (and you are likely addicted to the cheap labor) that you cannot permit yourself to see the simple truth that is staring you right in the face: Increasing the supply of labor lowers the market clearing price of labor to the detriment of labor.

Show me your work, not your papers, and you'll get my respect and my money.

This is comically unaware coming from you. Your livelihood was based on a special license issued by the government (combined with protectionist legislation/rules/regulations) that authorized you to work and served an important gatekeeping function to keep other people from competing with you. Your wages were propped up by that licensing regime that protected you from competition. Your career was based on protectionist papers and you had no problem cashing those checks. You even brag about your wealth. But then you profess that protectionist papers should not matter to anyone else.

+10 million. Amazing post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And you decided to post this for bum pats?.

You know how Trump loves to "own the libs?" Well, this lib loves to own the Trumpers. We're out here doing all that we can to undermine all of you fascists.

An elitist who hates his fellow Americans and then wonders why they vote “fascist”. It really is a mystery. Enjoy President Vance in in a little over 3 years…

The right ran with that study that showed people on the left feel affinity and empathy for more distant people while the right feels it on a local, immediate level. This poster is the poster child for that study.

He's not more "distant." He lives here. He may not be documented, but he's here -- and he works hard. So, no, I'm not turning him in or not hiring him just because he's not documented.

I 100 percent do feel less empathy for the lazy "domestic" slobs around here who work half as hard, don't take advantage of any of the opportunities that surround them, and then blame everything on the brown man and vote for Trump.

Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't undercut the economic power of domestic labor those workers could earn a decent wage above board, and then they could live with dignity. They would psychologically "buy into the system" and you would get the industrious, hardworking labor you claim to want. As it is, you whole-heartedly embrace a system that economically devastates the most vulnerable among the American labor force, destroys their communities, perpetuates inequality to your benefit, and then you have the audacity to blame them for the damage done to them and for "not working hard" for the crap wage you are offering. And you seem unable to comprehend why these people are voting "fascist".

Please try to think hard and answer the following question: If a business was providing you the services you want at the quality you want, what price would the business need to charge you to (a) comply with all applicable laws; (b) pay a domestic laborer a salary that matches the economic (purchasing) power of $36/hr to your undocumented laborer; and (c) earn a modest profit margin (8-12%) for the capital behind the business? What would be the consequences to everyone (you, domestic labor, undocumented labor) if that were the market-clearing price of labor?

If you can honestly answer this question, then you have a decent chance at understanding the problem. Nobody is asking you to turn in your undocumented laborer. Nobody is questioning the intentions, nobility or industriousness of your undocumented laborer. Just try to focus on the economic issue. What number do you come out to?

If you really, really want to blow your mind, ask yourself why real wage growth during the first Trump term was so robust relative to other presidencies? Scroll to the bottom if you just want to look at the visual.

https://perc.tamu.edu/blog/2024/02/presidents-real-wages.html

Maybe you want to ask yourself why blue collar real wage growth seems to happen at the start of Trump administrations and not other administrations?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/06/icymi-blue-collar-wage-growth-sees-largest-increase-in-nearly-60-years-under-trump/

Perhaps you prefer some interesting data on what happens to real wage growth at the bottom of the economic spectrum when labor markets get tight (recall, that the pandemic shut down migration at the border in 2020)?

https://www.epi.org/publication/strong-wage-growth-for-low-wage-workers-bucks-the-historic-trend/

Perhaps you think those real wage gains were solely due to the pandemic. What do you think was happening in December of 2019 when Trump had tightened the labor market, including through immigration enforcement? We actually had this amazingly, weird anomalous situation where rank-and-file workers were registering stronger wage gains than the bosses. Imagine that!

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rank-and-file-workers-get-bigger-raises-11577442600?mod=hp_lead_pos1

This is an economic issue. But, like you keep saying, you have no moral or legal obligation of solidarity with your fellow Americans and the domestic, legal workforce of this country. Screw them and laugh while you "own" them, right?

Trump only cares about himself. I'm in a deeply red state and he's made no difference in the economic life of the working class here. At all. They all vote for him, and they all vote red at the state and local level as well. In the primary races all the ads talked about was which red candidate hated transgendered folks the most and would segregate the bathrooms more rigidly.

In the middle of the pandemic I solicited bids to replace the roof on my horse stables. Once youngish guy, maybe 40, could barely make it up from front steps to talk things over with me. He told me he was still recovering from a terrible case of Covid. I asked whether he was vaccinated. Nope, he said, he never got vaccinated because "nobody I know has." This is the mindset that I deal with every day around here.

Nice job evading the core of the issue. Trump's motives are only marginally relevant. Yes Donald Trump is a narcissist who only cares about himself. It does not change the fact that (whether intended or not) his policies tighten up the domestic labor market and result in real wage gains for American workers, especially in the bottom half of the income distribution. The answer to reducing inequality and giving labor more bargaining power is so mind-numbingly obvious: tighten up the labor market by enforcing immigration laws. But you would rather sacrifice the American worker than admit that for whatever reason, Trump is right on this issue (at least economically).

I'm not "sacrificing the American worker" by hiring a guy who's been minding his own business working his ass off for decades while so many of the "American workers" sit around and do nothing but complain and be racist while they're at it. I myself was an "American worker" whose parents never finished high school, who started working in restaurant kitchens at 12 and who never stopped to take a breath until I accumulated significant wealth, put my kids through college and grad school and weddings and down payments until I finally decided to call it a day. While doing all of that I also paid lots and lots of taxes -- never cutting corners -- donated plenty and did lots of pro bono work. I don't have to "admit" anything. I may not be perfect but I couldn't give two shits about lazy people who do lousy work and then blame undocumented immigrants for their problems. I don't under pay and I don't undercut. Show me your work, not your papers, and you'll get my respect and my money.

Increasing the supply of [labor] reduces the market clearing price of [labor]. Increasing the supply of [labor] through gray/black market supply reduces the market clearing price of [labor] even more. The math has been explained to you over and over and over again. You refuse to engage with it because the problem is so manifestly obvious that your personal behavior and position cannot be reasonably justified.

You are sacrificing the American worker, but you are so transparently committed to the self-deluded righteousness of your behavior (and you are likely addicted to the cheap labor) that you cannot permit yourself to see the simple truth that is staring you right in the face: Increasing the supply of labor lowers the market clearing price of labor to the detriment of labor.

Show me your work, not your papers, and you'll get my respect and my money.

This is comically unaware coming from you. Your livelihood was based on a special license issued by the government (combined with protectionist legislation/rules/regulations) that authorized you to work and served an important gatekeeping function to keep other people from competing with you. Your wages were propped up by that licensing regime that protected you from competition. Your career was based on protectionist papers and you had no problem cashing those checks. You even brag about your wealth. But then you profess that protectionist papers should not matter to anyone else.

+10 million. Amazing post.

"I got mine, screw you" used to be the battlecry of the Republican party. Nice to see the realignment in real-time.

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Anonymous wrote:So effectively an indentured servant?

Brown people who work for democrats are noble. Op pays her brown servants very well, cash only, of course. Wouldn’t want to get involved in taxes for her bffs that do her lawn care. Win/win.

One of the more interesting things about the OP is that he claims to be a man. Odd because self-righteous moral superiority stemming from toxic empathy for the perceived “less privileged” is such a female coded behavior.

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OP here. Yes, I'm a man.

Why all the vitriol? Let's rewind and see how we got here.

I came from nothing and made good money. I bought a second home with some land in a deeply red state. I hired a lot of local "American" folks to do a lot of things on it, including yard work, with mixed results.

Sometime down the road I complimented a nice neighbor lady on her lawn. She said she had help and would have the guy reach out if he wanted to and I was interested. I said sure. She then said she paid him in cash because he's undocumented. I said ok to that as well.

He reached out and I tried him out. He did an outstanding job. It was clear he knew what he was doing -- and that I didn't. I told him to come back anytime he wanted and to do whatever he wanted. He's been doing that ever since. He's not here every week or even every month. He comes and goes when he wants. And I pay him $36 an hour.

I haven't stopped hiring "American" workers because of him. "American" workers are shuffling in and out of this place constantly, it seems. My regular lawn service is "American" and they're here every week. And you know what? They come even when it's painfully obviously to both them and me that the lawn doesn't need mowing and mow it and charge me anyway. And there are plenty of times when it annoys me and I think I should just buy a ride mower and do it myself. But I keep them on because I know they need the work. The undocumented guy never does work that isn't needed . . .

So, yeah, among the many workers I have had here is an undocumented one. That doesn't make me the devil. It just makes me a fair, equal opportunity human being. It's not his fault he wasn't born here and I certainly don't consider him a charity case. He works hard and deserves my money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Yes, I'm a man.

Why all the vitriol? Let's rewind and see how we got here.

I came from nothing and made good money. I bought a second home with some land in a deeply red state. I hired a lot of local "American" folks to do a lot of things on it, including yard work, with mixed results.

Sometime down the road I complimented a nice neighbor lady on her lawn. She said she had help and would have the guy reach out if he wanted to and I was interested. I said sure. She then said she paid him in cash because he's undocumented. I said ok to that as well.

He reached out and I tried him out. He did an outstanding job. It was clear he knew what he was doing -- and that I didn't. I told him to come back anytime he wanted and to do whatever he wanted. He's been doing that ever since. He's not here every week or even every month. He comes and goes when he wants. And I pay him $36 an hour.

I haven't stopped hiring "American" workers because of him. "American" workers are shuffling in and out of this place constantly, it seems. My regular lawn service is "American" and they're here every week. And you know what? They come even when it's painfully obviously to both them and me that the lawn doesn't need mowing and mow it and charge me anyway. And there are plenty of times when it annoys me and I think I should just buy a ride mower and do it myself. But I keep them on because I know they need the work. The undocumented guy never does work that isn't needed . . .

So, yeah, among the many workers I have had here is an undocumented one. That doesn't make me the devil. It just makes me a fair, equal opportunity human being. It's not his fault he wasn't born here and I certainly don't consider him a charity case. He works hard and deserves my money.

Now you’re backpedaling. You came here to troll MAGA and seek head pats for breaking the law.

Except instead of praising you, this thread sees through your self-serving hypocrisy and you got owned. Better luck next time.

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Anonymous wrote:We have a home in a very red state, and we and the neighbors are all happily harboring an undocumented immigrant from Latin America who does tremendous yardwork for all of us. We pay very very well. And we advise on how to keep their head low and avoid ICE.


I have no qualms about this. What is going on in this country right now is morally wrong. These people work their butts off, are law abiding good people and make our country great. THEY’RE doing that. Not MAGA.

? By definition they're not "law abiding" if they didn't come in through the lawful methods. The US gives 1 million green cards, tons of various visas and anyone with a legitimate claim can seek asylum. So why didn't your maintenance man?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Yes, I'm a man.

Why all the vitriol? Let's rewind and see how we got here.

I came from nothing and made good money. I bought a second home with some land in a deeply red state. I hired a lot of local "American" folks to do a lot of things on it, including yard work, with mixed results.

Sometime down the road I complimented a nice neighbor lady on her lawn. She said she had help and would have the guy reach out if he wanted to and I was interested. I said sure. She then said she paid him in cash because he's undocumented. I said ok to that as well.

He reached out and I tried him out. He did an outstanding job. It was clear he knew what he was doing -- and that I didn't. I told him to come back anytime he wanted and to do whatever he wanted. He's been doing that ever since. He's not here every week or even every month. He comes and goes when he wants. And I pay him $36 an hour.

I haven't stopped hiring "American" workers because of him. "American" workers are shuffling in and out of this place constantly, it seems. My regular lawn service is "American" and they're here every week. And you know what? They come even when it's painfully obviously to both them and me that the lawn doesn't need mowing and mow it and charge me anyway. And there are plenty of times when it annoys me and I think I should just buy a ride mower and do it myself. But I keep them on because I know they need the work. The undocumented guy never does work that isn't needed . . .

So, yeah, among the many workers I have had here is an undocumented one. That doesn't make me the devil. It just makes me a fair, equal opportunity human being. It's not his fault he wasn't born here and I certainly don't consider him a charity case. He works hard and deserves my money.

Now you’re backpedaling. You came here to troll MAGA and seek head pats for breaking the law.

Except instead of praising you, this thread sees through your self-serving hypocrisy and you got owned. Better luck next time.

Who is getting owned by this ridiculous "mass deportation" is the entire country. You seem to be in a bubble that thinks the situation is beneficial in some way.

There are huge parts of the country where many many people would step up to try to protect community members and are doing so. There are warning systems. There are offers of assistance to avoid going to places where there could be enforcement thugs hanging around. There are communication networks. This is a significant part of the economy and community in many areas. Millions and millions and millions of American citizens are not on team ice and with very good reason.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Yes, I'm a man.

Why all the vitriol? Let's rewind and see how we got here.

I came from nothing and made good money. I bought a second home with some land in a deeply red state. I hired a lot of local "American" folks to do a lot of things on it, including yard work, with mixed results.

Sometime down the road I complimented a nice neighbor lady on her lawn. She said she had help and would have the guy reach out if he wanted to and I was interested. I said sure. She then said she paid him in cash because he's undocumented. I said ok to that as well.

He reached out and I tried him out. He did an outstanding job. It was clear he knew what he was doing -- and that I didn't. I told him to come back anytime he wanted and to do whatever he wanted. He's been doing that ever since. He's not here every week or even every month. He comes and goes when he wants. And I pay him $36 an hour.

I haven't stopped hiring "American" workers because of him. "American" workers are shuffling in and out of this place constantly, it seems. My regular lawn service is "American" and they're here every week. And you know what? They come even when it's painfully obviously to both them and me that the lawn doesn't need mowing and mow it and charge me anyway. And there are plenty of times when it annoys me and I think I should just buy a ride mower and do it myself. But I keep them on because I know they need the work. The undocumented guy never does work that isn't needed . . .

So, yeah, among the many workers I have had here is an undocumented one. That doesn't make me the devil. It just makes me a fair, equal opportunity human being. It's not his fault he wasn't born here and I certainly don't consider him a charity case. He works hard and deserves my money.

Now you’re backpedaling. You came here to troll MAGA and seek head pats for breaking the law.

Except instead of praising you, this thread sees through your self-serving hypocrisy and you got owned. Better luck next time.

Not backpedaling at all. To the contrary. Show me one post of mine that’s inconsistent with any other.

And to the extent that I’m here to “troll MAGA,” that seems to be working too.