80% of women swipe on just 20% of men on dating apps

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Division I athlete now working in finance, I’ve found that I often attract attention from women. This was also true during college, where it wasn’t uncommon for multiple women to be interested in the same guy. Men in my position tend to have a lot of options when it comes to dating.

And yet you can’t actually lock down a woman. Hmm.

I'm not the Division I athlete. I'm guessing he spent most of his adult life not wanting to lock down anyone or be locked down by anyone. That's OK.

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Why would a man with options want to lock down a woman or be locked down by a woman? Show me a beautiful and I will show you a man tired of sleeping with her. The reason the divorce rate is so high in the US is because the vast majority of women don't marry their first choice because those guys have options, and they play the field.

Then don't complain about not being able to get women? Most women want to get married and have children, not settle for some f**kboy who plays the field.

The former D1 working in finance is not complaining about not getting women. He is among those 10% of men that get 90% of the women in OLD. It is those loser men out there that complain about not getting women.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, men will sleep with almost any woman, while women are generally more picky about bed partners since pregnancy is a big risk to their life and long term well being. This is basic biology and hard wired into us, it’s not surprising that it manifests in all mating rituals.

No some men will sleep with any women. The percentage of men who will sleep with any woman is actually fairly small. If all men would sleep with any woman women would never complain about not finding a man. You could just go up to any man you wanted and he would sleep with you.

Men with options will only sleep with women above a certain level. If a guy's an 8 he's going to have a steady stream of 5's and 6's trying to get with him so there's no reason to bring himself down to banging 2's and 3's.

Men without options will sleep with nearly anyone if they've had a long enough dry spell and have a healthy sex drive.

It's weird how it's hard for you to admit that men who are "an 8" are likely dating women who are also "an 8." Like, you are really doubling down on "5s and 6s" chasing after these men.

I mean, look, I can't say because I don't believe you can quantify people's looks into a score, but I do think people naturally are drawn to equally good looking people.

It's always going to take more time and effort to casually sleep with women on your level than 1 or 2 leagues below you, which is why 8's sleep with 5's and 6's. It's not that they cant get 8's but the 6's are just easier and faster. You sound like you don't understand men (young men especially). Men love variety and aren't that picky with who they sleep with as long as she's semi attractive and he doesn't need to try too hard.

This is complete BS. The more attractive a woman is, the faster she will sleep with a man she likes. They don't care about holding out to figure out whether a man is in it for sex only and would not return. They are more confident that men cannot resist them and that the men will stay even if the have sex on the first date.

My most promiscous friend was movie star level attractive. Men were swarming and she was sleeping with them left and right. When she met one that was playing hard to get, she cconcluded that he most not like girls. It just never occurred to her that a man was not that into her.

The attractive women I know who are promiscuous only sleep with hot guys, they're not sleeping with short chubby nerds. Just because she's promiscuous doesn't mean an attractive man can sleep with a woman like that whenever he wants to, because those women are being swarmed by other men. They have options and will get bored of you quickly.

So 8s don’t need to sleep with 5s because women who are 8s will sleep with men who are 8s easily. The issue seems to be that some men think they are 8s when they really are 5s. Lol

Okay, come on. He might be a 5, but I bet he looks really hot in that fedora and black dress shirt he just bought from JC Penny's!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, men will sleep with almost any woman, while women are generally more picky about bed partners since pregnancy is a big risk to their life and long term well being. This is basic biology and hard wired into us, it’s not surprising that it manifests in all mating rituals.

No some men will sleep with any women. The percentage of men who will sleep with any woman is actually fairly small. If all men would sleep with any woman women would never complain about not finding a man. You could just go up to any man you wanted and he would sleep with you.

Men with options will only sleep with women above a certain level. If a guy's an 8 he's going to have a steady stream of 5's and 6's trying to get with him so there's no reason to bring himself down to banging 2's and 3's.

Men without options will sleep with nearly anyone if they've had a long enough dry spell and have a healthy sex drive.

It's weird how it's hard for you to admit that men who are "an 8" are likely dating women who are also "an 8." Like, you are really doubling down on "5s and 6s" chasing after these men.

I mean, look, I can't say because I don't believe you can quantify people's looks into a score, but I do think people naturally are drawn to equally good looking people.

It's always going to take more time and effort to casually sleep with women on your level than 1 or 2 leagues below you, which is why 8's sleep with 5's and 6's. It's not that they cant get 8's but the 6's are just easier and faster. You sound like you don't understand men (young men especially). Men love variety and aren't that picky with who they sleep with as long as she's semi attractive and he doesn't need to try too hard.

This is complete BS. The more attractive a woman is, the faster she will sleep with a man she likes. They don't care about holding out to figure out whether a man is in it for sex only and would not return. They are more confident that men cannot resist them and that the men will stay even if the have sex on the first date.

My most promiscous friend was movie star level attractive. Men were swarming and she was sleeping with them left and right. When she met one that was playing hard to get, she cconcluded that he most not like girls. It just never occurred to her that a man was not that into her.

That’s because women like this don’t have time for men who play games. Those men are so desperate and transparent, gross.

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PP, you post the truth. The problem is that you do not see its application here.

On DCUM, the microwave burritos can (and very often do) post.

And they post incessantly about how they cannot find a man who meets their needs, how they will not settle for just anybody, how hot they (and other women) are, etc. While these burriots believe they deserve a "top tier" man, they do not have what it takes to get one. Often, the issue is that at some point in the past, a top-tier man f***ed them, giving them the mistaken impression that they were a "hot chick" instead of a "hot burrito."

If you do not want to settle, don't. Also, do not make the mistake that you are a hot girl wading through droves of unsuitable men. You are the microwave burrito. Otherwise, a hot guy would already have found you.

If you actually read the posts here you would notice that most posts by women about finding a man, you would realize most posts are about finding a nice/successful man. No one is posting "How can I find a guy who is hot." Women aren't focused on looks the way you think they are. They just don't want to be married to a bitter loser like you.

I use the "hot" as it applies to men once in my post (as underlined for you). Otherwise, I use "top tier" man (i.e., nice and successful).

My post applies to you, and it is easy to see that you are bitter. What's worse, you did what you accused me of, which is not actually reading the posts. The proof is also easy to see, as you did not read mine.

I'm not bitter, lol. I'm dating a kind, attractive, successful (rich) man. He meets the 6-6-6 criteria you claim all women are seeking, but in reality it's just that I'm also attractive and successful so we naturally run in the same circles. Circles you likely don't run in because you are antisocial and seemingly undereducated.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, men will sleep with almost any woman, while women are generally more picky about bed partners since pregnancy is a big risk to their life and long term well being. This is basic biology and hard wired into us, it’s not surprising that it manifests in all mating rituals.

No some men will sleep with any women. The percentage of men who will sleep with any woman is actually fairly small. If all men would sleep with any woman women would never complain about not finding a man. You could just go up to any man you wanted and he would sleep with you.

Men with options will only sleep with women above a certain level. If a guy's an 8 he's going to have a steady stream of 5's and 6's trying to get with him so there's no reason to bring himself down to banging 2's and 3's.

Men without options will sleep with nearly anyone if they've had a long enough dry spell and have a healthy sex drive.

It's weird how it's hard for you to admit that men who are "an 8" are likely dating women who are also "an 8." Like, you are really doubling down on "5s and 6s" chasing after these men.

I mean, look, I can't say because I don't believe you can quantify people's looks into a score, but I do think people naturally are drawn to equally good looking people.

It's always going to take more time and effort to casually sleep with women on your level than 1 or 2 leagues below you, which is why 8's sleep with 5's and 6's. It's not that they cant get 8's but the 6's are just easier and faster. You sound like you don't understand men (young men especially). Men love variety and aren't that picky with who they sleep with as long as she's semi attractive and he doesn't need to try too hard.

I know we are not supposed to use the R-word anymore but I am trying very, very hard not to call you it right now.

Are you seriously trying to argue that an attractive man won't play the field with less attractive women and use them for one night stands? You're living under a rock if you think this isn't occurring. Forget the numbers, they're not meant to be taken literally. It's to illustrate the concept of men being less picky about who they bang vs who they date/marry, and this dynamic is being magnified x10 on dating apps. A few hot men are inundated with matches from a multitude of women and use them for casual hookups.

I wasn't going to call you a slur because I don't think men sleep with less attractive women. I have seen that with my own two eyes.

I was going to call you a slur bc you're trying to make an entire field of science about it. "One or two leagues below you" wtf?

Honey, you're an unattractive 30 year old man with internet access, not a cancer researcher. Relax.

lmao, assigning people numbers isn't supposed to be scientific. it's literally just a more convenient way to describe relative attractiveness. You are reading way too much into this, nobody is trying to make a rigorous scientific argument here.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, men will sleep with almost any woman, while women are generally more picky about bed partners since pregnancy is a big risk to their life and long term well being. This is basic biology and hard wired into us, it’s not surprising that it manifests in all mating rituals.

No some men will sleep with any women. The percentage of men who will sleep with any woman is actually fairly small. If all men would sleep with any woman women would never complain about not finding a man. You could just go up to any man you wanted and he would sleep with you.

Men with options will only sleep with women above a certain level. If a guy's an 8 he's going to have a steady stream of 5's and 6's trying to get with him so there's no reason to bring himself down to banging 2's and 3's.

Men without options will sleep with nearly anyone if they've had a long enough dry spell and have a healthy sex drive.

It's weird how it's hard for you to admit that men who are "an 8" are likely dating women who are also "an 8." Like, you are really doubling down on "5s and 6s" chasing after these men.

I mean, look, I can't say because I don't believe you can quantify people's looks into a score, but I do think people naturally are drawn to equally good looking people.

It's always going to take more time and effort to casually sleep with women on your level than 1 or 2 leagues below you, which is why 8's sleep with 5's and 6's. It's not that they cant get 8's but the 6's are just easier and faster. You sound like you don't understand men (young men especially). Men love variety and aren't that picky with who they sleep with as long as she's semi attractive and he doesn't need to try too hard.

I know we are not supposed to use the R-word anymore but I am trying very, very hard not to call you it right now.

Are you seriously trying to argue that an attractive man won't play the field with less attractive women and use them for one night stands? You're living under a rock if you think this isn't occurring. Forget the numbers, they're not meant to be taken literally. It's to illustrate the concept of men being less picky about who they bang vs who they date/marry, and this dynamic is being magnified x10 on dating apps. A few hot men are inundated with matches from a multitude of women and use them for casual hookups.

You have a very shallow view of men. Likely because that’s what YOU would do (if you could). Lots of gorgeous men want to wife up a great woman and start a family.

It’s really sad you think all men are just horn dogs who can’t control themselves. You don’t think very highly of other men, do you?

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Oh sweetie. I’m happily married. And I thank dog every day I don’t have to deal with dating men like you. Your continual dismissal of basic facts to insult and hate women is sad for you. Time to rejoin reality, otherwise you’ll get left behind.

Sweetie, I also thank Dog (see your post above) every day that I do not have to deal with dating you.

Most women are great. They are not the problem. The problem is what you see in the mirror. And I wish to Dog it were not true.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, men will sleep with almost any woman, while women are generally more picky about bed partners since pregnancy is a big risk to their life and long term well being. This is basic biology and hard wired into us, it’s not surprising that it manifests in all mating rituals.

No some men will sleep with any women. The percentage of men who will sleep with any woman is actually fairly small. If all men would sleep with any woman women would never complain about not finding a man. You could just go up to any man you wanted and he would sleep with you.

Men with options will only sleep with women above a certain level. If a guy's an 8 he's going to have a steady stream of 5's and 6's trying to get with him so there's no reason to bring himself down to banging 2's and 3's.

Men without options will sleep with nearly anyone if they've had a long enough dry spell and have a healthy sex drive.

It's weird how it's hard for you to admit that men who are "an 8" are likely dating women who are also "an 8." Like, you are really doubling down on "5s and 6s" chasing after these men.

I mean, look, I can't say because I don't believe you can quantify people's looks into a score, but I do think people naturally are drawn to equally good looking people.

It's always going to take more time and effort to casually sleep with women on your level than 1 or 2 leagues below you, which is why 8's sleep with 5's and 6's. It's not that they cant get 8's but the 6's are just easier and faster. You sound like you don't understand men (young men especially). Men love variety and aren't that picky with who they sleep with as long as she's semi attractive and he doesn't need to try too hard.

I know we are not supposed to use the R-word anymore but I am trying very, very hard not to call you it right now.

Are you seriously trying to argue that an attractive man won't play the field with less attractive women and use them for one night stands? You're living under a rock if you think this isn't occurring. Forget the numbers, they're not meant to be taken literally. It's to illustrate the concept of men being less picky about who they bang vs who they date/marry, and this dynamic is being magnified x10 on dating apps. A few hot men are inundated with matches from a multitude of women and use them for casual hookups.

I wasn't going to call you a slur because I don't think men sleep with less attractive women. I have seen that with my own two eyes.

I was going to call you a slur bc you're trying to make an entire field of science about it. "One or two leagues below you" wtf?

Honey, you're an unattractive 30 year old man with internet access, not a cancer researcher. Relax.

lmao, assigning people numbers isn't supposed to be scientific. it's literally just a more convenient way to describe relative attractiveness. You are reading way too much into this, nobody is trying to make a rigorous scientific argument here.

But why would you describe relative attractiveness that much? That is just not something normal people talk about to the point of needing a more convenient way to do so.

Normal adults who are well-adjusted and well-socialized don't think about these things. We just accept that people tend to wind up with people equally good looking as them. It's not that you're "mid" but all the "mid" women are chasing after hot guys. It's that you're ugly and even mid women don't want you but you can't accept that.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, men will sleep with almost any woman, while women are generally more picky about bed partners since pregnancy is a big risk to their life and long term well being. This is basic biology and hard wired into us, it’s not surprising that it manifests in all mating rituals.

No some men will sleep with any women. The percentage of men who will sleep with any woman is actually fairly small. If all men would sleep with any woman women would never complain about not finding a man. You could just go up to any man you wanted and he would sleep with you.

Men with options will only sleep with women above a certain level. If a guy's an 8 he's going to have a steady stream of 5's and 6's trying to get with him so there's no reason to bring himself down to banging 2's and 3's.

Men without options will sleep with nearly anyone if they've had a long enough dry spell and have a healthy sex drive.

It's weird how it's hard for you to admit that men who are "an 8" are likely dating women who are also "an 8." Like, you are really doubling down on "5s and 6s" chasing after these men.

I mean, look, I can't say because I don't believe you can quantify people's looks into a score, but I do think people naturally are drawn to equally good looking people.

It's always going to take more time and effort to casually sleep with women on your level than 1 or 2 leagues below you, which is why 8's sleep with 5's and 6's. It's not that they cant get 8's but the 6's are just easier and faster. You sound like you don't understand men (young men especially). Men love variety and aren't that picky with who they sleep with as long as she's semi attractive and he doesn't need to try too hard.

I know we are not supposed to use the R-word anymore but I am trying very, very hard not to call you it right now.

Are you seriously trying to argue that an attractive man won't play the field with less attractive women and use them for one night stands? You're living under a rock if you think this isn't occurring. Forget the numbers, they're not meant to be taken literally. It's to illustrate the concept of men being less picky about who they bang vs who they date/marry, and this dynamic is being magnified x10 on dating apps. A few hot men are inundated with matches from a multitude of women and use them for casual hookups.

You have a very shallow view of men. Likely because that’s what YOU would do (if you could). Lots of gorgeous men want to wife up a great woman and start a family.

It’s really sad you think all men are just horn dogs who can’t control themselves. You don’t think very highly of other men, do you?

He's jealous of them. So he tells himself that they're all out to use women, but he's a "nice guy" who just wants to get married.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, men will sleep with almost any woman, while women are generally more picky about bed partners since pregnancy is a big risk to their life and long term well being. This is basic biology and hard wired into us, it’s not surprising that it manifests in all mating rituals.

No some men will sleep with any women. The percentage of men who will sleep with any woman is actually fairly small. If all men would sleep with any woman women would never complain about not finding a man. You could just go up to any man you wanted and he would sleep with you.

Men with options will only sleep with women above a certain level. If a guy's an 8 he's going to have a steady stream of 5's and 6's trying to get with him so there's no reason to bring himself down to banging 2's and 3's.

Men without options will sleep with nearly anyone if they've had a long enough dry spell and have a healthy sex drive.

It's weird how it's hard for you to admit that men who are "an 8" are likely dating women who are also "an 8." Like, you are really doubling down on "5s and 6s" chasing after these men.

I mean, look, I can't say because I don't believe you can quantify people's looks into a score, but I do think people naturally are drawn to equally good looking people.

It's always going to take more time and effort to casually sleep with women on your level than 1 or 2 leagues below you, which is why 8's sleep with 5's and 6's. It's not that they cant get 8's but the 6's are just easier and faster. You sound like you don't understand men (young men especially). Men love variety and aren't that picky with who they sleep with as long as she's semi attractive and he doesn't need to try too hard.

I know we are not supposed to use the R-word anymore but I am trying very, very hard not to call you it right now.

Are you seriously trying to argue that an attractive man won't play the field with less attractive women and use them for one night stands? You're living under a rock if you think this isn't occurring. Forget the numbers, they're not meant to be taken literally. It's to illustrate the concept of men being less picky about who they bang vs who they date/marry, and this dynamic is being magnified x10 on dating apps. A few hot men are inundated with matches from a multitude of women and use them for casual hookups.

DP.

Why are men on DCUM obsessed with using women? How old are you? When adults have consensual sex, no one is using anyone. Do you only get off when you think you are " using" women?

Yes he must! It’s the incel misogyny. They hate women and only see them as sex toys.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh sweetie. I’m happily married. And I thank dog every day I don’t have to deal with dating men like you. Your continual dismissal of basic facts to insult and hate women is sad for you. Time to rejoin reality, otherwise you’ll get left behind.

Sweetie, I also thank Dog (see your post above) every day that I do not have to deal with dating you.

Most women are great. They are not the problem. The problem is what you see in the mirror. And I wish to Dog it were not true.

DP but come on, as my hot, successful, attorney husband likes to say, you're better than mocking typos.

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Men gatekeep relationships and women gatekeep sex. With the creation of online dating the people who get behind both of those gates has shrank.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former Division I athlete now working in finance, I’ve found that I often attract attention from women. This was also true during college, where it wasn’t uncommon for multiple women to be interested in the same guy. Men in my position tend to have a lot of options when it comes to dating.

And yet you can’t actually lock down a woman. Hmm.

I'm not the Division I athlete. I'm guessing he spent most of his adult life not wanting to lock down anyone or be locked down by anyone. That's OK.

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Why would a man with options want to lock down a woman or be locked down by a woman? Show me a beautiful and I will show you a man tired of sleeping with her. The reason the divorce rate is so high in the US is because the vast majority of women don't marry their first choice because those guys have options, and they play the field.

Then don't complain about not being able to get women? Most women want to get married and have children, not settle for some f**kboy who plays the field.

The former D1 working in finance is not complaining about not getting women. He is among those 10% of men that get 90% of the women in OLD. It is those loser men out there that complain about not getting women.

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And you don’t see him talking about "using" women. He seems quite happy that he is getting all the ladies.

These incels claiming it's too much wok to get the girls who are on their level are hilarious and delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, men will sleep with almost any woman, while women are generally more picky about bed partners since pregnancy is a big risk to their life and long term well being. This is basic biology and hard wired into us, it’s not surprising that it manifests in all mating rituals.

No some men will sleep with any women. The percentage of men who will sleep with any woman is actually fairly small. If all men would sleep with any woman women would never complain about not finding a man. You could just go up to any man you wanted and he would sleep with you.

Men with options will only sleep with women above a certain level. If a guy's an 8 he's going to have a steady stream of 5's and 6's trying to get with him so there's no reason to bring himself down to banging 2's and 3's.

Men without options will sleep with nearly anyone if they've had a long enough dry spell and have a healthy sex drive.

It's weird how it's hard for you to admit that men who are "an 8" are likely dating women who are also "an 8." Like, you are really doubling down on "5s and 6s" chasing after these men.

I mean, look, I can't say because I don't believe you can quantify people's looks into a score, but I do think people naturally are drawn to equally good looking people.

It's always going to take more time and effort to casually sleep with women on your level than 1 or 2 leagues below you, which is why 8's sleep with 5's and 6's. It's not that they cant get 8's but the 6's are just easier and faster. You sound like you don't understand men (young men especially). Men love variety and aren't that picky with who they sleep with as long as she's semi attractive and he doesn't need to try too hard.

I know we are not supposed to use the R-word anymore but I am trying very, very hard not to call you it right now.

Are you seriously trying to argue that an attractive man won't play the field with less attractive women and use them for one night stands? You're living under a rock if you think this isn't occurring. Forget the numbers, they're not meant to be taken literally. It's to illustrate the concept of men being less picky about who they bang vs who they date/marry, and this dynamic is being magnified x10 on dating apps. A few hot men are inundated with matches from a multitude of women and use them for casual hookups.

Why don’t you just pay a prostitute? Why do you pester women on dating apps if you just want to “use them for casual hookups”? Too cheap?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, men will sleep with almost any woman, while women are generally more picky about bed partners since pregnancy is a big risk to their life and long term well being. This is basic biology and hard wired into us, it’s not surprising that it manifests in all mating rituals.

No some men will sleep with any women. The percentage of men who will sleep with any woman is actually fairly small. If all men would sleep with any woman women would never complain about not finding a man. You could just go up to any man you wanted and he would sleep with you.

Men with options will only sleep with women above a certain level. If a guy's an 8 he's going to have a steady stream of 5's and 6's trying to get with him so there's no reason to bring himself down to banging 2's and 3's.

Men without options will sleep with nearly anyone if they've had a long enough dry spell and have a healthy sex drive.

It's weird how it's hard for you to admit that men who are "an 8" are likely dating women who are also "an 8." Like, you are really doubling down on "5s and 6s" chasing after these men.

I mean, look, I can't say because I don't believe you can quantify people's looks into a score, but I do think people naturally are drawn to equally good looking people.

It's always going to take more time and effort to casually sleep with women on your level than 1 or 2 leagues below you, which is why 8's sleep with 5's and 6's. It's not that they cant get 8's but the 6's are just easier and faster. You sound like you don't understand men (young men especially). Men love variety and aren't that picky with who they sleep with as long as she's semi attractive and he doesn't need to try too hard.

I know we are not supposed to use the R-word anymore but I am trying very, very hard not to call you it right now.

Are you seriously trying to argue that an attractive man won't play the field with less attractive women and use them for one night stands? You're living under a rock if you think this isn't occurring. Forget the numbers, they're not meant to be taken literally. It's to illustrate the concept of men being less picky about who they bang vs who they date/marry, and this dynamic is being magnified x10 on dating apps. A few hot men are inundated with matches from a multitude of women and use them for casual hookups.

Why don’t you just pay a prostitute? Why do you pester women on dating apps if you just want to “use them for casual hookups”? Too cheap?

Too broke, more like. It's hard finding meaningful employment when you're not naturally intelligent, not educated, and so maladjusted you're living in your parents' basement at 30.