Did Trump's cuts to NOAA and the National Weather Service impact predicting the flash floods in central Texas?

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Anonymous wrote:At this point, after all of the extreme weather events, all of the science, the research, the data, the models, the papers - if you are still denying climate change, you absolutely are deranged.


“Extreme weather events”……. going back as far as records starting being kept.

From Wikipedia:


1913
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In December of 1913 between 10 and 15 inches of rain fell in the greater area. 180 people died.[13] Torrential rains fell across Central Texas starting the morning of 5 December, swelling the Brazos River and causing it to shift course.[14] The Colorado River overflowed its banks and joined the Brazos. The Brazos River and Valley Improvement Association formed in 1915 to address flooding issues.[14] The first Lake Waco Dam was built in 1929.[14] The Trinity River also flooded.[15]
1921
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Main article: September 1921 San Antonio floods
In September of 1921, a Category 1 hurricane made landfall in Mexico and moved into Texas. According to the U.S. Geological Survey, from 8-10 September the San Antonio area received 7.38 inches of rain.[16] 215 people died. San Antonio developed flood control plans, including the Olmos Dam and River Walk.[13] Thrall received an estimated 40 inches of rain, Austin received 19, and San Antonio 15.[7] The Little and San Gabriel Rivers also flooded.[7]
1935
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Near Uvalde, 22 inches of rain fell in under three hours.[11]
1978
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In July 1978, tropical storm Amelia made landfall and moved inland, stalling over the headwaters of the Medina and Guadalupe Rivers. The Guadalupe crested at over 40 feet in Comfort.[11] Thirty-three people drowned in the flooding.[8][7]
1981
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Shoal Creek flooded 24 May when a slow-moving storm settled over Austin. Thirteen people died.[11]
1987
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On 17 July 1987, a sudden flash flood swept a bus full of children away at a low water crossing and killed ten near Comfort, Texas.[6][7] On the night of 16 July and into the morning of the 17th, slow-moving storms dropped between 5 and 10 inches of rain, triggering immense flooding along the Guadalupe through Ingram, Hunt, Kerrvile, and Comfort.[7] The Pot O' Gold camp was evacuating when a bus was swept away.[7]
In 1989, the story of the deaths and rescues was shown as the pilot episode of Rescue 911, and in 1993 was made into a television movie called The Flood: Who Will Save Our Children? The film followed the experiences of some of the children and their families, and starred Joe Spano as Reverend Richard Koons.
1998
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Main article: October 1998 Central Texas floods
The remnants of Hurricane Madeline and Hurricane Lester flooded the San Jacinto, San Benard, Colorado, Lavaca, Guadalupe, and San Antonio Rivers in October of 1998, killing 31.[17] The city of San Antonio experienced a 500-year flood.[13]
2002
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The Guadalupe River flooded in July 2002 after the area received over 19 inches (480 mm) of rain.[8] Some parts of the area received a year's precipitation over a few days.[13] 12 people died.[13]
2007
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Main article: June 2007 Texas flooding
In June, a slow-moving frontal system caused heavy rains. Marble Falls, one of the hardest hit areas, received 18 inches (460 mm) of rain in a period six hours. The headwaters of Lake Marble Falls and Lake Travis had 19 inches of rain totals recorded.[18] Two people died.[3]
2013
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May
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In May of 2013, the Olmos basin received over 17 inches of rain over the Memorial Day weekend, causing 2 deaths.[13]
October
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In October of 2013, in a 100-year flood, the Onion Creek rose to its highest levels since 1921, killing four.[12]
2015
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In a 100-year flood, the Blanco River rose 45 feet and caused 13 deaths and severe damage in Wimberley over Memorial Day Weekend.[1][12] The river had been at 5 feet at 9 pm on 24 May and by 1 am had reached 40 feet.[11] Wimberley installed a monitoring system to send out cellphone alerts.[6]
2018
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In a 100-year flood, the Llano River washed out the Kingsland Bridge.[12]
2025
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June
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In June 2025, flash flooding in San Antonio killed 13 people.[5][6][19] The area upstream had received over 7 inches of rain in three hours, which qualified as a 100-year event.[19] It was the city's highest daily rainfall in over a decade and the 10th highest ever recorded.[16]
On 12 June, heavy rain began around 2 am.[19] Within hours at least fifteen cars were swept off Loop 410 when Beitel Creek, which runs parallel to the road, flooded.[19] At least eleven people were killed in the Beitel Creek area, with two others killed in nearby areas.[19] According to the San Antonio River Authority, over 400 yards of the westbound access road lie within the 100-year-floodplain.[19]
July
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Main article: July 2025 Central Texas floods
In July 2025, torrential rain fell in a three hour period on 4 July from the remnants of Tropical Storm Barry, resulting in over 100 deaths, many of them children from the summer camps along the Guadalupe River.[20][10] Flood related deaths were reported in other nearby counties.[5]
At 4:00 a.m. the National Weather Service issued a particularly dangerous situation warning for communities along the Guadalupe.[9] In Hunt, Texas, where the two branches of the Guadalupe River meet, the river gauge recorded a 22 feet (6.7 m) rise in 2 hours before failing when it reached 29 feet (8.8 m).[21] Downstream in Kerrville, the river surged to 21 feet (6.4 m).[22] Further downstream, in Comfort, it surged to 29.86 feet (9.10 m).[22] The city of Kerrville issued a disaster declaration on 4 July following the floods.[23] In total, 5–11 inches (130–280 mm) of rain fell on some areas that experienced significant flood effects.[24]
Flooding continued into Saturday, 5 July[25] with two more flash flood emergencies being issued for areas around Lake Travis north of Austin.[26][27][28] Later, a third flash flood emergency was issued for central Comal County, noting that "local law enforcement reported flooding of the Guadalupe River".[29] 20.33 inches (516 mm) of rain fell northwest of Streeter.[30]



Extreme weather events like this have been happening for at least a century.


Take it up with the scientists, and the United States military, and the insurance companies, and convince them it doesn't exist. See how far your anonymous posting nonsense gets with them.


“ Extreme weather events like this have been happening for at least a century” Yes, and now they’re happening more and more often, to the point where the old extreme is becoming the new normal. That’s what climate change means. Weather patterns are shifting. What used to be a hundred year storm is now a ten year storm, or even a five year storm.

Insurance companies understand this. Their livelihood depends on understanding it.


A kid’s camp near Mystic was evacuated just 8 years ago. Flash floods helicopters and everything.these were not unprecedented weather conditions. These were people who knew the risks and didn’t heed them


Putting your young children next to a river known to flood, understanding the above, that the river has flooded before and there isn’t a warning system in place… an act or faith, an act of arrogance, or an act of stupidity?


Gasp! A kid’s camp near Mystic was evacuated just 8 years ago.! Oh, gosh, I didn't know that. That's like lying down in traffic, or urging your kids to do so. That changes everything.

These were people who knew the risks. . Scummy rhetorical hackery, MAGA-level scummy.
Anonymous
“NEW: In his first presser after the deadly floods, the Kerr County Judge said they do not have an emergency alert system.

But we've learned that not only does the county have such a system, but first responders asked that it be triggered very early Friday AM.

Some residents didn't get an alert until after 10am — six hours after the river began its precipitous rise.

Now, county officials won't answer our questions about why.”

https://www.tpr.org/news/2025-07-08/kerr-county-residents-emergency-alert-messages-sporadic-inconsistent-in-wake-of-floods
Anonymous
The National Weather Service employee whose job it was to make sure those warnings got traction — Paul Yura, the long-serving meteorologist in charge of “warning coordination” — had recently taken an unplanned early retirement."

He took a "fork in the road" DOGE retirement and his workload was not replaced.

so, between the county information that the PP shared and this, the fault lies 100% with GOP administration at the state, Federal and local levels.

And no one on the right will hear a word of it.
Anonymous


Oh, right. The GOP administration was making government more efficient by getting anyone who would accept "the fork" to leave, and then refusing to fill the position.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:“NEW: In his first presser after the deadly floods, the Kerr County Judge said they do not have an emergency alert system.

But we've learned that not only does the county have such a system, but first responders asked that it be triggered very early Friday AM.

Some residents didn't get an alert until after 10am — six hours after the river began its precipitous rise.

Now, county officials won't answer our questions about why.”

https://www.tpr.org/news/2025-07-08/kerr-county-residents-emergency-alert-messages-sporadic-inconsistent-in-wake-of-floods


It said they asked for it at 4:22am, which would have been too late for Camp Mystic.
Anonymous
The media coverage of the Biden administration’s FEMA response to Hurricane Helene was feral.

Now another tragic disaster has struck, this time under Trump, and no one seems to care that his head of FEMA is barricaded in his office.

I know standards are different, but what gives?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The media coverage of the Biden administration’s FEMA response to Hurricane Helene was feral.

Now another tragic disaster has struck, this time under Trump, and no one seems to care that his head of FEMA is barricaded in his office.

I know standards are different, but what gives?


You know

Traditional media has bent the knee

My family since I was a little kid were strong news watchers.

I can smell the manure they are pedaling now and suspect it has to do with the entities that own them no longer interested in reporting the news. Investigative journalism on traditional media is dying/dead
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Or, putting it another way, the people who got swept away by raging flood waters in the pitch-black middle of the night didn't do anything wrong. Trump gutted the National Weather Service and NOAA because... Science is Bad & Facts are Dumb. But the people swept away (lots of them little girls in the second and third grade) didn't do anything wrong, nor did their parents but having them at camp. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Although having an anti-science, anti-facts Presidential Administration in place upped the ante. There will be lots more of this kind of stuff, as the climate becomes more intense... but remember: Science is Bad; Facts are Dumb. MAGA!

+1 Meanwhile at the same time, the fires in California are all Gavin Newsom’s fault because all he had to do to prevent them was turn on a giant water spigot that doesn’t exist, but DON’T YOU ASK ANY QUESTIONS about what federal, state, local, and camp authorities might have done differently in Texas that might have changed these outcomes and prevent deaths the next time this happens. HOW DARE YOU!
Anonymous
“The word blame is the word choice of losers. Texas cares about football, whether it's high school, Friday Night Lights, college or professional. Know this, every football team makes mistakes. The losing teams are the ones that try to point out who's to blame. The championship teams are the ones that say, Don't worry about it, man. We got this. We're going to make sure that we go score again, that we're going to win this game. The way winners talk is not to point fingers. They talk about solutions. What Texas is all about is solutions.” — Governor Hot Wheels parked in Hunt, TX July 8, 2025
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Anonymous wrote:“The word blame is the word choice of losers. Texas cares about football, whether it's high school, Friday Night Lights, college or professional. Know this, every football team makes mistakes. The losing teams are the ones that try to point out who's to blame. The championship teams are the ones that say, Don't worry about it, man. We got this. We're going to make sure that we go score again, that we're going to win this game. The way winners talk is not to point fingers. They talk about solutions. What Texas is all about is solutions.” — Governor Hot Wheels parked in Hunt, TX July 8, 2025


Just a load of bs. If Texas were about solutions, they would already ha e a flood warning system, using some of the billions of dollars of state surplus.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:“The word blame is the word choice of losers. Texas cares about football, whether it's high school, Friday Night Lights, college or professional. Know this, every football team makes mistakes. The losing teams are the ones that try to point out who's to blame. The championship teams are the ones that say, Don't worry about it, man. We got this. We're going to make sure that we go score again, that we're going to win this game. The way winners talk is not to point fingers. They talk about solutions. What Texas is all about is solutions.” — Governor Hot Wheels parked in Hunt, TX July 8, 2025




Remember the wind turbines freezing in Texas, because they cheaped out on getting them prepared for cold weather? Like they do in Finland, which sees a helluva lot more snow and ice than Texas?

The Blame Game:

U.S. Rep. Dan Crenshaw, R-Houston, tweet: “When weather conditions get bad as they did this week, intermittent renewable energy like wind isn’t there when you need it.”

Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller, Facebook: "Facebook: “We should never build another wind turbine in Texas. ... Insult added to injury: Those ugly wind turbines out there are among the main reasons we are experiencing electricity blackouts,” he wrote. “Isn’t that ironic? ... So much for the unsightly and unproductive, energy-robbing Obama Monuments. At least they show us where idiots live.”

And the lovely Greg Abbott: Gov. Greg Abbott and other Republicans blamed green energy for Texas’ power woes.

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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:or did this catastrophic event unfold too quickly, so that even with sufficient staffing, it would be impossible to have evacuated ahead of time?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-national-weather-service-leaders-letter-noaa-cuts/#:~:text=And%20the%20proposed%20budget%20released,for%20new%20satellites%2C%20they%20said.

former National Weather Service leaders wrote and released an open letter to the American people warning about the impact of staffing and program cuts to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, saying their "worst nightmare" is the cuts will lead to "needless loss of life."

Since the beginning of the year, more than 550 employees have left the National Weather Service, leaving it down 10% of its staffing levels ahead of hurricane season and the busiest time of year. And the proposed budget released by the White House will cut NOAA, the parent agency of the National Weather Service, by nearly 30%, virtually eliminating NOAA's research functions for weather, limiting ocean data observations and decreasing funding for new satellites, they said.

The five signatories — Louis Uccellini, Jack Hayes, Brigadier General D.L. Johnson, Brigadier General John J. Kelly Jr. and E.W. (Joe) Friday — worked under both Republican and Democratic administrations.

"Our worst nightmare is that weather forecast offices will be so understaffed that there will be needless loss of life," their letter said. "We know that's a nightmare shared by those on the forecasting front lines — and by the people who depend on their efforts."

Some forecast offices might be so short-staffed they have to function only part-time, they warned.

"The Houston office has lost all three of its senior meteorologists," Friday told CBS News. "We have many offices across the country that are now having to close at night because they don't have sufficient staff," he said.


Short answer. Yes.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
or did this catastrophic event unfold too quickly, so that even with sufficient staffing, it would be impossible to have evacuated ahead of time?
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"The Houston office has lost all three of its senior meteorologists," Friday told CBS News. "We have many offices across the country that are now having to close at night because they don't have sufficient staff," he said.


Anonymous wrote:Short answer. Yes.


No worries, we can just rehire them. [/sarcasm]
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“NEW: In his first presser after the deadly floods, the Kerr County Judge said they do not have an emergency alert system.

But we've learned that not only does the county have such a system, but first responders asked that it be triggered very early Friday AM.

Some residents didn't get an alert until after 10am — six hours after the river began its precipitous rise.

Now, county officials won't answer our questions about why.”

https://www.tpr.org/news/2025-07-08/kerr-county-residents-emergency-alert-messages-sporadic-inconsistent-in-wake-of-floods


It said they asked for it at 4:22am, which would have been too late for Camp Mystic.


False. There were numerous warnings and alerts from NWS prior to that.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:“The word blame is the word choice of losers. Texas cares about football, whether it's high school, Friday Night Lights, college or professional. Know this, every football team makes mistakes. The losing teams are the ones that try to point out who's to blame. The championship teams are the ones that say, Don't worry about it, man. We got this. We're going to make sure that we go score again, that we're going to win this game. The way winners talk is not to point fingers. They talk about solutions. What Texas is all about is solutions.” — Governor Hot Wheels parked in Hunt, TX July 8, 2025


Just a load of bs. If Texas were about solutions, they would already ha e a flood warning system, using some of the billions of dollars of state surplus.


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