Boundary study (2025 )

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Anonymous wrote:Is there any trusted data (not anecdotes) that demonstrate this correlation (and controls for other factors) in past re-boundary-ings?

What correlation are you talking about? The made up one about the BOE redrawing boundaries to focus only on demographics that the MAGA folks toss around on here and their Facebook groups?

Sorry for not quoting myself. I was asking about data that demonstrates a correlation of property values decreasing when a re-boundary-ing is performed. I don't really care about what contributes to the re-boundary-ing (demographics or whatever), I'm just looking for any data that shows property values change somehow in a causal manner based on adjusting lines in MC.

I doubt there is any such data. If you want to look for it, you could check the Cabin Branch neighborhood in Clarksburg. They were rezoned from Clarksburg HS to Seneca Valley several years ago, and there was a big outcry. But things seemed to have settled down since.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there any trusted data (not anecdotes) that demonstrate this correlation (and controls for other factors) in past re-boundary-ings?

What correlation are you talking about? The made up one about the BOE redrawing boundaries to focus only on demographics that the MAGA folks toss around on here and their Facebook groups?

Sorry for not quoting myself. I was asking about data that demonstrates a correlation of property values decreasing when a re-boundary-ing is performed. I don't really care about what contributes to the re-boundary-ing (demographics or whatever), I'm just looking for any data that shows property values change somehow in a causal manner based on adjusting lines in MC.

I doubt there is any such data. If you want to look for it, you could check the Cabin Branch neighborhood in Clarksburg. They were rezoned from Clarksburg HS to Seneca Valley several years ago, and there was a big outcry. But things seemed to have settled down since.

Cabin Branch here. I haven’t really seen a shift in property values, but I do know when it first happened, a few people were on the fence about buying here because of the school reassignments; and a few families moved out of the neighborhood. A lot of the hesitation came from concerns about the GS ratings of the new schools we were zoned for. That said, it's been interesting to see Seneca Valley High School’s ratings actually go up since the change and the new elementary school has recently brought in a bunch of younger families into the neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this information needs to be communicated more effectively:

If you live in the following clusters, the Woodward study may affect you:
Bethesda Chevy-Chase
Montgomery Blair
Albert Einstein
Walter Johnson
John F. Kennedy
Northwood
Wheaton
Walt Whitman

If you live in the following clusters, the Crown/Damascus study may affect you:
Winston Churchill
Clarksburg
Damascus
Gaithersburg
Richard Montgomery
Northwest
Poolesville
Quince Orchard
Seneca Valley
Watkins Mill
Thomas S. Wootton

I live in the Churchill cluster and I am not worried. My location is very tucked into an area that wouldn't make sense to bus kids. No where near the border for any of the other clusters, except perhaps Whitman. Plus my kid will graduate next year and the only thing I might worry about is home value and like I said, a move to Whitman won't hurt us. No way will they bus to Rockville, WJ, or RM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there any trusted data (not anecdotes) that demonstrate this correlation (and controls for other factors) in past re-boundary-ings?

What correlation are you talking about? The made up one about the BOE redrawing boundaries to focus only on demographics that the MAGA folks toss around on here and their Facebook groups?

Sorry for not quoting myself. I was asking about data that demonstrates a correlation of property values decreasing when a re-boundary-ing is performed. I don't really care about what contributes to the re-boundary-ing (demographics or whatever), I'm just looking for any data that shows property values change somehow in a causal manner based on adjusting lines in MC.

I doubt there is any such data. If you want to look for it, you could check the Cabin Branch neighborhood in Clarksburg. They were rezoned from Clarksburg HS to Seneca Valley several years ago, and there was a big outcry. But things seemed to have settled down since.

I don't know if there is hard data, but years ago a section of Potomac got redistricted from Wootton to RM. Those homes over there are much less expensive than neighboring homes which are aligned with Wootton. I imagine this is because of the redistricting. Here is a screenshot of current homes on the market from Zillow. The homes to the left of Falls road are Wootton and the homes to the right of Falls are RM. The $725 home is a townhouse whereas the other homes are all similarly sized colonials.

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Actually, the 3 houses to the right of falls road are all around 2500 sqft (or a bit smaller). To the left of falls rd, the million plus houses are all bigger. I think the smallest was 2800sqft but most are greater than 3000sqft.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there any trusted data (not anecdotes) that demonstrate this correlation (and controls for other factors) in past re-boundary-ings?

What correlation are you talking about? The made up one about the BOE redrawing boundaries to focus only on demographics that the MAGA folks toss around on here and their Facebook groups?

Sorry for not quoting myself. I was asking about data that demonstrates a correlation of property values decreasing when a re-boundary-ing is performed. I don't really care about what contributes to the re-boundary-ing (demographics or whatever), I'm just looking for any data that shows property values change somehow in a causal manner based on adjusting lines in MC.

I doubt there is any such data. If you want to look for it, you could check the Cabin Branch neighborhood in Clarksburg. They were rezoned from Clarksburg HS to Seneca Valley several years ago, and there was a big outcry. But things seemed to have settled down since.

I don't know if there is hard data, but years ago a section of Potomac got redistricted from Wootton to RM. Those homes over there are much less expensive than neighboring homes which are aligned with Wootton. I imagine this is because of the redistricting. Here is a screenshot of current homes on the market from Zillow. The homes to the left of Falls road are Wootton and the homes to the right of Falls are RM. The $725 home is a townhouse whereas the other homes are all similarly sized colonials.

Thirty-eight years ago!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this information needs to be communicated more effectively:

If you live in the following clusters, the Woodward study may affect you:
Bethesda Chevy-Chase
Montgomery Blair
Albert Einstein
Walter Johnson
John F. Kennedy
Northwood
Wheaton
Walt Whitman

If you live in the following clusters, the Crown/Damascus study may affect you:
Winston Churchill
Clarksburg
Damascus
Gaithersburg
Richard Montgomery
Northwest
Poolesville
Quince Orchard
Seneca Valley
Watkins Mill
Thomas S. Wootton

I live in the Churchill cluster and I am not worried. My location is very tucked into an area that wouldn't make sense to bus kids. No where near the border for any of the other clusters, except perhaps Whitman. Plus my kid will graduate next year and the only thing I might worry about is home value and like I said, a move to Whitman won't hurt us. No way will they bus to Rockville, WJ, or RM.

We'll make sure that "tucked away"'s boundary does change

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there any trusted data (not anecdotes) that demonstrate this correlation (and controls for other factors) in past re-boundary-ings?

What correlation are you talking about? The made up one about the BOE redrawing boundaries to focus only on demographics that the MAGA folks toss around on here and their Facebook groups?

Sorry for not quoting myself. I was asking about data that demonstrates a correlation of property values decreasing when a re-boundary-ing is performed. I don't really care about what contributes to the re-boundary-ing (demographics or whatever), I'm just looking for any data that shows property values change somehow in a causal manner based on adjusting lines in MC.

I doubt there is any such data. If you want to look for it, you could check the Cabin Branch neighborhood in Clarksburg. They were rezoned from Clarksburg HS to Seneca Valley several years ago, and there was a big outcry. But things seemed to have settled down since.

I don't know if there is hard data, but years ago a section of Potomac got redistricted from Wootton to RM. Those homes over there are much less expensive than neighboring homes which are aligned with Wootton. I imagine this is because of the redistricting. Here is a screenshot of current homes on the market from Zillow. The homes to the left of Falls road are Wootton and the homes to the right of Falls are RM. The $725 home is a townhouse whereas the other homes are all similarly sized colonials.

Thirty-eight years ago!

The homes west of falls rd are much bigger. This person is a moron

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Does this mean the list of schools that will be considered a "good" HS will be further reduced to what...3? Going in trend of the big 3 privates in DC? That's terrible people have to pay 1.5million+ for smallish post-WW2 houses.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm honestly curious, given the demographics of MC, why anyone is anti-diversity in the context of this thread. This isn't a red state, this isn't the south. What is going on here? I appreciate and embrace the diversity in my kids' ES.

MoCo is one of the most racially diverse counties in the nation. Our schools are already incredibly diverse. Most people living here prioritize diversity already. So for MCPS to prioritize diversity over other goals in this study (when we already live in one of our nation’s most diverse counties) seems a little nuts.

Yeah, well, they aren't doing that.

I went to the meeting, and I don’t agree with you. There are 4 stated priorities. The first one is demographics, which they define as percent FARMS, percent EML, and percent race/ethnicity. See slide 51.

Yes, it was the first in the list of four but they said they were all weighted the same.

How long have your kids been MCPS? You can’t trust them. I promise you they will not all be weighted the same.

I've had kids in MCPS for 12 years and I'm an MCPS grad myself. To quote a PP, who gave a real example of MCPS prioritizing two of the other factors over diversity in a boundary study:

Yes. Check out the most recent boundary study done by MCPS, which was opening a new ES in Clarksburg. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departmen...urges9boundarystudy/

You can see that there were six options. Of those, Option 4 did the most to increase diversity but the Superintendent recommended a slightly amended Option 1 that minimized disruption and maximized walkers.

Another example is the Westbrook/Somerset/Bethesda ES study, which is an interesting one because there was some actual demographic diversity in the study zone. Again, there were multiple options under consideration and again they did not pick the one that optimized diversity (Option 4), instead going with the option that maximized walkers and continuity (Option 1). Any changes to that zone would shift FARMS rates but the option they chose did not result in as drastic a swing as some of the options on the table. In the end, Westbrook went from 1% FARMS to 6% FARMS.

We can’t let facts get in the way of the maga fever dream that the BOE just wants to bus kids around because of dei

Exactly!!!! These people keep saying the same thing over and over even when the facts are showing them that none of the four factors are worth more than the other. If anything, it will likely prioritize walkers. They don't want to hear it.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, the 3 houses to the right of falls road are all around 2500 sqft (or a bit smaller). To the left of falls rd, the million plus houses are all bigger. I think the smallest was 2800sqft but most are greater than 3000sqft.

You are correct. Here is what happens when one corrects for only homes over 2750 square feet. This would make it seem like RM is more desirable, but actually I think it just demonstrates no property value difference.

[Anonymous]

Crown HS boundary study meeting tonight.

Tomorrow is the in-person meeting at Walter Johnson HS. Be there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Crown HS boundary study meeting tonight.

Tomorrow is the in-person meeting at Walter Johnson HS. Be there.

Make your voice heard

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, the 3 houses to the right of falls road are all around 2500 sqft (or a bit smaller). To the left of falls rd, the million plus houses are all bigger. I think the smallest was 2800sqft but most are greater than 3000sqft.

You are correct. Here is what happens when one corrects for only homes over 2750 square feet. This would make it seem like RM is more desirable, but actually I think it just demonstrates no property value difference.

Where the heck are you looking? I just pulled up Redfin and it looks NOTHING like what you're showing. All I see are five houses for sale on the Falls Orchard side between 990K and 1.35M and only ONE house for sale at 1.89M ON Falls Chapel Way. That tells me that Falls Orchard isn't selling, and the Falls Road Local Park area has no inventory. That's exactly opposite of the conclusions you're making. Also, pulling anything up at this time of year isn't going to tell you much anyway since families normally start moving after Spring Break (ex. graduating seniors) and goes to the end of June / early July (so families are moved in by the start of school).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel like this information needs to be communicated more effectively:

If you live in the following clusters, the Woodward study may affect you:
Bethesda Chevy-Chase
Montgomery Blair
Albert Einstein
Walter Johnson
John F. Kennedy
Northwood
Wheaton
Walt Whitman

If you live in the following clusters, the Crown/Damascus study may affect you:
Winston Churchill
Clarksburg
Damascus
Gaithersburg
Richard Montgomery
Northwest
Poolesville
Quince Orchard
Seneca Valley
Watkins Mill
Thomas S. Wootton

I live in the Churchill cluster and I am not worried. My location is very tucked into an area that wouldn't make sense to bus kids. No where near the border for any of the other clusters, except perhaps Whitman. Plus my kid will graduate next year and the only thing I might worry about is home value and like I said, a move to Whitman won't hurt us. No way will they bus to Rockville, WJ, or RM.

We'll make sure that "tucked away"'s boundary does change

Who is "we"? Do you work for MCPS?