NYT article on men struggling with their place in society

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20 years ago I was an intern in the US Senate and gave constituent tours. In between making up facts about the capitol building, I had to usher people through doors that required a badge swipe to access. Standard procedure was: I swipe my badge, open door, hold it as they all walk through, I close door and secure it.

This would *break* some of the men on my tours. Especially older men, but young ones too. They couldn't handle having a 20 yr old woman hold a door open for them. Some of them would try to forcibly take the door from me. Most would just stand there, waiting for me to go through the door before them. I would explain i had to go through last. They would persist, say things like "I wasn't raised that way."

It was a small inconvenience but it was also deranged and really stuck with me. Perhaps they just struggled with a rule that had always been drilled into them (ladies first). Or perhaps the role reversal felt like a loss of status and control.

But that's what I thought about when I read the thing about these men feeling like women didn't want them to hold open doors for them.

Only crazy progressive women get upset about men holding the doors for them.

It was quite literally her job to hold the door, close it, and lock it after everybody.

Are you insane?

I'm not responding to her situation directly. I'm just saying, any woman who gets upset about a man holding the door for her is weird.


Its weird when they make it weird, which some men do. If you're ahead of me and hold the door, thanks. If you're behind me and leap ahead of me and make a big show of it...WTF?

eh.. I'm a moderate feminist, and I see that as a man trying to be gentlemanly or trying to hit on you, maybe. It might be a bit "weird" only because we are no longer used to do that but I don't think there's anything wrong with it in and of itself. How old are you? I feel like this might be an age thing. I'm 54, and see nothing wrong with that.

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I just read this and I am not sure there is an eye roll emoji that can accurately reflect how ridiculous this article is. A focus group of 12 men who voted for Trump. I admit I am a 40-something woman, with sisters and daughters so I probably have less opportunity to see this, but I struggle to believe that men are feeling like they don’t have a place in society. They OWN society. What is the deal with this whining? Even the comments about how they feel like chivalry is gone because women give them a dirty look if they hold a door. It is BASIC courtesy. And since when are men worried about getting a dirty look?

Can anyone explain this to me?

They used to own society. Now women own something like 2% and they are seething about it. It's no surprise coming from trumpers though lol. White men are the biggest victims of the 21st century

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The thread on gay men proves this. If you're used to being handed everything in life (straight men) and suddenly you have to work for things, you get mad. If you haven't had everything handed to you in life, you're benefiting now that societal values have shifted.


To be fair, pretty much everything I've read over the last few years paints white men as the root of all evil. Blatant racism against white people is 100% tolerated almost everywhere. I'm an Asian woman so I don't feel that bad, but I truly think that the intense vitriol against white men for even existing gave Trump the election.

I'm a Asian woman married to a white man, and he agrees that historically, white rulers did do a lot of damage and were kind of evil.

They also historically did a lot of evil things to minorities in the US, too.

They held all the power, so they get all the blame.


And historically, Asian rulers were peaceful and kind?
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Anonymous wrote:I want to speak specifically to the door holding thing:

20 years ago I was an intern in the US Senate and gave constituent tours. In between making up facts about the capitol building, I had to usher people through doors that required a badge swipe to access. Standard procedure was: I swipe my badge, open door, hold it as they all walk through, I close door and secure it.

This would *break* some of the men on my tours. Especially older men, but young ones too. They couldn't handle having a 20 yr old woman hold a door open for them. Some of them would try to forcibly take the door from me. Most would just stand there, waiting for me to go through the door before them. I would explain i had to go through last. They would persist, say things like "I wasn't raised that way."

It was a small inconvenience but it was also deranged and really stuck with me. Perhaps they just struggled with a rule that had always been drilled into them (ladies first). Or perhaps the role reversal felt like a loss of status and control.

But that's what I thought about when I read the thing about these men feeling like women didn't want them to hold open doors for them.

Only crazy progressive women get upset about men holding the doors for them.

It was quite literally her job to hold the door, close it, and lock it after everybody.

Are you insane?

I'm not responding to her situation directly. I'm just saying, any woman who gets upset about a man holding the door for her is weird.


Its weird when they make it weird, which some men do. If you're ahead of me and hold the door, thanks. If you're behind me and leap ahead of me and make a big show of it...WTF?

eh.. I'm a moderate feminist, and I see that as a man trying to be gentlemanly or trying to hit on you, maybe. It might be a bit "weird" only because we are no longer used to do that but I don't think there's anything wrong with it in and of itself. How old are you? I feel like this might be an age thing. I'm 54, and see nothing wrong with that.



I'm 51, and have always found it weird when men make a show about being "gentlemanly" or "chivalrous." But I'm also from New England, where people just manage their own sh*t.
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I just read this and I am not sure there is an eye roll emoji that can accurately reflect how ridiculous this article is. A focus group of 12 men who voted for Trump. I admit I am a 40-something woman, with sisters and daughters so I probably have less opportunity to see this, but I struggle to believe that men are feeling like they don’t have a place in society. They OWN society. What is the deal with this whining? Even the comments about how they feel like chivalry is gone because women give them a dirty look if they hold a door. It is BASIC courtesy. And since when are men worried about getting a dirty look?

Can anyone explain this to me?


Who is "they?" Sure, men are overrepresented in positions of power. No question about that. But the vast majority of men aren't in positions of power. The vast majority of people in prison are men. One can recognize problems a large swath of men are facing (setting aside the whiners) while also recognizing some women have problems as well. It's not a zero-sum game.
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Anonymous wrote:What a surprise. Another man bashing thread on DCUM. Nurse Ratched army loves to brigade around here.

White women are the worst. They love to double dip - they get their white privilege AND get to try to leverage all the gender oppression Olympics in their favor. They’re often the most cringeworthy.


70%+ of c suite jobs are men.

Not sure which Olympics your watching.


Women should start their own companies then rather than cry about it. Many studies have shown that men are more willing to take bigger risks than women. Women cannot be risk adverse, then cry later on when they're not on charge because they didn't want to take the risk starting businesses. Women always want everyone else to do the heavy lifting for them, then come in and take over control. Ha, that's not the way the world works. Put up or shut up. Why don't you put your home and all do your life's savings on the line to start a business if you want to be CEO so much?


I’m a woman, and I mostly agree with this. I remember reading a post on here years ago when someone mentioned women/minorities/etc. “just wanting a seat at the table” and a woman said something along the lines of “build your own table”.

That being said, whenever men start talking about how women don’t want “real equality” I would like to remind them (and women) about something called opportunity cost. Particularly when it comes to reproduction. Our wombs are worth a hell of a lot more than your sperm, so women should be mindful of that and not allow some man to gaslight her into thinking he doesn’t owe her (for lack of a better term) for carrying, birthing, and raising his child. This is the area in which you find men wanting women to do the heavy lifting for them but then whine about “equality” when they have to pay child support or alimony…


It's always "my body, my choice" and reproductive autonomy for women until it comes time to deal with the consequences, and then it's "his child" for which she is owed a debt. This is exactly what PP is talking about. You want to be in control and take charge of decisions (i.e. be the CEO), but when it comes time to deal with the aftermath it's "his child" or "society's child", not even "our child". I don't even disagree with you about the value of a womb/sperm, but this type of language and thought pattern abdicating responsibility for choices made is all too common for women these days, despite their expressed desire for increasingly more autonomy.


Nothing in my post suggested abdicating responsibility. Your post is an example of the gaslighting I was talking about, though. (The quotes around “his child” … it’s not “his child”, it’s his child.)

Don’t knock up a woman who is intelligent and perceptive enough to understand her worth. That’s a choice you can make.


In another post you will be telling us about how a woman's worth should not be reduced to her womb lol.

Sorry, but people are seeing through your gaslighting now.


Understanding that my womb is exponentially more valuable than your sperm doesn’t mean that I am under the impression that it is my only value. Keep trying.
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In ironies of all ironies.. a man employed in a DEI office calls a woman the C word, and gets fired for it. I think he was struggling with his place in the DEI office.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/foul-mouthed-philadelphia-fan-banned-230919642.html
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I just read this and I am not sure there is an eye roll emoji that can accurately reflect how ridiculous this article is. A focus group of 12 men who voted for Trump. I admit I am a 40-something woman, with sisters and daughters so I probably have less opportunity to see this, but I struggle to believe that men are feeling like they don’t have a place in society. They OWN society. What is the deal with this whining? Even the comments about how they feel like chivalry is gone because women give them a dirty look if they hold a door. It is BASIC courtesy. And since when are men worried about getting a dirty look?

Can anyone explain this to me?

They used to own society. Now women own something like 2% and they are seething about it. It's no surprise coming from trumpers though lol. White men are the biggest victims of the 21st century

+100
The thread on gay men proves this. If you're used to being handed everything in life (straight men) and suddenly you have to work for things, you get mad. If you haven't had everything handed to you in life, you're benefiting now that societal values have shifted.


To be fair, pretty much everything I've read over the last few years paints white men as the root of all evil. Blatant racism against white people is 100% tolerated almost everywhere. I'm an Asian woman so I don't feel that bad, but I truly think that the intense vitriol against white men for even existing gave Trump the election.

I'm a Asian woman married to a white man, and he agrees that historically, white rulers did do a lot of damage and were kind of evil.

They also historically did a lot of evil things to minorities in the US, too.

They held all the power, so they get all the blame.


Whereas women and ethnic minorities in Asia have historically been . . . systematically oppressed and violently controlled or eliminated. In fact, this is still happening.

Since 2016, the government of the People's Republic of China (PRC) has subjected Uyghurs and members of other predominantly Muslim ethnic minority groups in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR) to genocide, state-imposed forced labor, and crimes against humanity: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab

Why do you hope to gain from not acknowledging (or caring about?) oppression of vulnerable people? Your statement above erases them and all those who have suffered before them for millenia.

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I just read this and I am not sure there is an eye roll emoji that can accurately reflect how ridiculous this article is. A focus group of 12 men who voted for Trump. I admit I am a 40-something woman, with sisters and daughters so I probably have less opportunity to see this, but I struggle to believe that men are feeling like they don’t have a place in society. They OWN society. What is the deal with this whining? Even the comments about how they feel like chivalry is gone because women give them a dirty look if they hold a door. It is BASIC courtesy. And since when are men worried about getting a dirty look?

Can anyone explain this to me?

They used to own society. Now women own something like 2% and they are seething about it. It's no surprise coming from trumpers though lol. White men are the biggest victims of the 21st century

+100
The thread on gay men proves this. If you're used to being handed everything in life (straight men) and suddenly you have to work for things, you get mad. If you haven't had everything handed to you in life, you're benefiting now that societal values have shifted.


To be fair, pretty much everything I've read over the last few years paints white men as the root of all evil. Blatant racism against white people is 100% tolerated almost everywhere. I'm an Asian woman so I don't feel that bad, but I truly think that the intense vitriol against white men for even existing gave Trump the election.

I'm a Asian woman married to a white man, and he agrees that historically, white rulers did do a lot of damage and were kind of evil.

They also historically did a lot of evil things to minorities in the US, too.

They held all the power, so they get all the blame.


Whereas women and ethnic minorities in Asia have historically been . . . systematically oppressed and violently controlled or eliminated. In fact, this is still happening.

Since 2016, the government of the People's Republic of China (PRC) has subjected Uyghurs and members of other predominantly Muslim ethnic minority groups in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR) to genocide, state-imposed forced labor, and crimes against humanity: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab

Why do you hope to gain from not acknowledging (or caring about?) oppression of vulnerable people? Your statement above erases them and all those who have suffered before them for millenia.



As a white man I refuse to take all the blame here either! My fellow men of all colors have plenty of blood on their hands, now and throughout history.
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Anonymous wrote:What a surprise. Another man bashing thread on DCUM. Nurse Ratched army loves to brigade around here.

White women are the worst. They love to double dip - they get their white privilege AND get to try to leverage all the gender oppression Olympics in their favor. They’re often the most cringeworthy.


70%+ of c suite jobs are men.

Not sure which Olympics your watching.


Women should start their own companies then rather than cry about it. Many studies have shown that men are more willing to take bigger risks than women. Women cannot be risk adverse, then cry later on when they're not on charge because they didn't want to take the risk starting businesses. Women always want everyone else to do the heavy lifting for them, then come in and take over control. Ha, that's not the way the world works. Put up or shut up. Why don't you put your home and all do your life's savings on the line to start a business if you want to be CEO so much?


I’m a woman, and I mostly agree with this. I remember reading a post on here years ago when someone mentioned women/minorities/etc. “just wanting a seat at the table” and a woman said something along the lines of “build your own table”.

That being said, whenever men start talking about how women don’t want “real equality” I would like to remind them (and women) about something called opportunity cost. Particularly when it comes to reproduction. Our wombs are worth a hell of a lot more than your sperm, so women should be mindful of that and not allow some man to gaslight her into thinking he doesn’t owe her (for lack of a better term) for carrying, birthing, and raising his child. This is the area in which you find men wanting women to do the heavy lifting for them but then whine about “equality” when they have to pay child support or alimony…


It's always "my body, my choice" and reproductive autonomy for women until it comes time to deal with the consequences, and then it's "his child" for which she is owed a debt. This is exactly what PP is talking about. You want to be in control and take charge of decisions (i.e. be the CEO), but when it comes time to deal with the aftermath it's "his child" or "society's child", not even "our child". I don't even disagree with you about the value of a womb/sperm, but this type of language and thought pattern abdicating responsibility for choices made is all too common for women these days, despite their expressed desire for increasingly more autonomy.


Nothing in my post suggested abdicating responsibility. Your post is an example of the gaslighting I was talking about, though. (The quotes around “his child” … it’s not “his child”, it’s his child.)

Don’t knock up a woman who is intelligent and perceptive enough to understand her worth. That’s a choice you can make.


In another post you will be telling us about how a woman's worth should not be reduced to her womb lol.

Sorry, but people are seeing through your gaslighting now.


Understanding that my womb is exponentially more valuable than your sperm doesn’t mean that I am under the impression that it is my only value. Keep trying.


It is the only reason why you are presumed to have more intrinsic value than your average man, and thus derive all of the benefits of benevolent sexism that protects and caters to your cosseted behind, your attitude notwithstanding. It is the reason men have the burden of performance whereas women are more tolerated when they behave like entitled, ungrateful children.
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Anonymous wrote:What a surprise. Another man bashing thread on DCUM. Nurse Ratched army loves to brigade around here.

White women are the worst. They love to double dip - they get their white privilege AND get to try to leverage all the gender oppression Olympics in their favor. They’re often the most cringeworthy.


70%+ of c suite jobs are men.

Not sure which Olympics your watching.


Women should start their own companies then rather than cry about it. Many studies have shown that men are more willing to take bigger risks than women. Women cannot be risk adverse, then cry later on when they're not on charge because they didn't want to take the risk starting businesses. Women always want everyone else to do the heavy lifting for them, then come in and take over control. Ha, that's not the way the world works. Put up or shut up. Why don't you put your home and all do your life's savings on the line to start a business if you want to be CEO so much?


I’m a woman, and I mostly agree with this. I remember reading a post on here years ago when someone mentioned women/minorities/etc. “just wanting a seat at the table” and a woman said something along the lines of “build your own table”.

That being said, whenever men start talking about how women don’t want “real equality” I would like to remind them (and women) about something called opportunity cost. Particularly when it comes to reproduction. Our wombs are worth a hell of a lot more than your sperm, so women should be mindful of that and not allow some man to gaslight her into thinking he doesn’t owe her (for lack of a better term) for carrying, birthing, and raising his child. This is the area in which you find men wanting women to do the heavy lifting for them but then whine about “equality” when they have to pay child support or alimony…


It's always "my body, my choice" and reproductive autonomy for women until it comes time to deal with the consequences, and then it's "his child" for which she is owed a debt. This is exactly what PP is talking about. You want to be in control and take charge of decisions (i.e. be the CEO), but when it comes time to deal with the aftermath it's "his child" or "society's child", not even "our child". I don't even disagree with you about the value of a womb/sperm, but this type of language and thought pattern abdicating responsibility for choices made is all too common for women these days, despite their expressed desire for increasingly more autonomy.


Nothing in my post suggested abdicating responsibility. Your post is an example of the gaslighting I was talking about, though. (The quotes around “his child” … it’s not “his child”, it’s his child.)

Don’t knock up a woman who is intelligent and perceptive enough to understand her worth. That’s a choice you can make.


In another post you will be telling us about how a woman's worth should not be reduced to her womb lol.

Sorry, but people are seeing through your gaslighting now.


Understanding that my womb is exponentially more valuable than your sperm doesn’t mean that I am under the impression that it is my only value. Keep trying.


It is the only reason why you are presumed to have more intrinsic value than your average man, and thus derive all of the benefits of benevolent sexism that protects and caters to your cosseted behind, your attitude notwithstanding. It is the reason men have the burden of performance whereas women are more tolerated when they behave like entitled, ungrateful children.


It’s not a presumption; it’s a biological fact. Sorry you don’t like it, but throwing a tantrum (which I suspect you had ChatGPT write for you) doesn’t change it.
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Anonymous wrote:I mean, not sure if you remember this but prior to 2020 white women had the same attitudes towards BIPOC and especially WOC.

Talk to any WOC and they’ll have stories about the time a white woman did something racist, and when called out, cried or otherwise had a meltdown to flip the situation and make it all about comforting them.

I was in the yoga scene for 20 years and appropriation was especially bad. Nobody would hire a South Asian instructor who had been practicing since childhood; it was all about the young, blonde, gorgeous women who were mostly former dancers. And if you pointed out that perhaps we should hire South Asian yoga teachers to close the wage gap between them and the blondes, there were the same arguments used in the gender wage gap of “they don’t bring in as much revenue” or “they don’t teach as well” or “we hire based on merit”.

Things started to change after the murder of George Floyd, when it became in vogue for white women to “do the work” and become anti-racist. Not because of what POC had been saying for decades, but because other white women were doing it, and it gave them a way to prove they weren’t racist to other white people. I saw yoga teachers hire anti-racism coaches for themselves and rebrand rather than switching to teaching Pilates or general fitness.

And watch the responses this post gets. You’ll see women go “no, that’s not true, I’m not racist, it’s okay for white people to teach yoga, you can’t even do yoga without someone getting upset….” Which is fine, but that’s the same things these men are saying. “I’m not sexist, I’m not a bad guy, I care about women, you can’t even give a compliment without someone getting upset….”

This isn’t to just slam on white women. I am one. But it’s to point out that society has changed rapidly the last few decades, and people haven’t yet developed the skills to navigate these new expectations, probably including you too, so perhaps some grace is in order. I’m white, H is BIPOC, we have 1 (possibly 2) LGBTQ+ kids, and H and I have both had to learn new ways of operating. He did misogynistic things, I did racist things, we both did homophobic things. Maybe not big things, but still things. And re-learning new ways of thinking and acting is HARD, and we both still make mistakes, but over time it gets better.


This comment is weird. Most yoga studios are super crunchy and would happily hire a South Asian woman with lifelong experience and cultural ties to the practice over a bubbly blonde lady. The bubbly blonde ladies mostly teach pilates, Barre, or orange theory type classes, you don't find as many of them teaching yoga, which is not a "bubbly" discipline. There are white women teaching yoga, but as a veteran of many yoga studios, there does not appear to be any preference for them over WOC, and especially not a South Asian woman with a cultural connection to the practice. My impression is that there are a lot of white women teaching yoga because there are a lot of white women taking yoga.

I also remember the conversation around "white women's tears" after George Floyd snd I do think it was useful. I know it made me think about whether and how I might use vulnerability to escape responsibility. It's worth discussing.

But I also remember how rapidly the conversation about how white women benefit from white supremacy, and how they can do better, was rapidly coopted by white men who gleefully started calling white women they found too loud, middle aged, and unappealing "Karens" and started using that conversation to silence white women who have valid perspectives or who have been hurt or discriminated against. It became another way to silence and ignore women. Conveniently, as the MeToo movement had been gaining steam.


PP. I don’t really want to argue about yoga - I’ve been involved in the yoga scene for over 20 years, I’ve worked for several large yoga companies, and I dated a well-known instructor. There’s definitely always been a bias up until recently.

But your comment proves my point. When it comes to men, everyone groups them together and says they’re whining, mad, sad, flawed, and at fault.

Then when it comes to women, people expect nuance. Not all yoga studios are that way, only some. Yes, maybe white women do some things wrong, but then men came in and called them Karen’s to silence them. White women dominate a field (yoga) because white women are the ones who want to be in that field (which is no different than saying men dominate tech/C suite/etc because it’s primarily men who want to be in those fields).

Men ought to be extended the same nuance. Yes, some men are POS like some women are. But most are probably navigating the same challenges we all do, and it’s not fair to group them all as “they’re just upset they’re not on top anymore”.


I agree with you, but as POC, I think all white people think they deserve nuance while lumping everyone else into racial groups.


And yet you just lumped yourself into a group that’s only defined by what it is not…. POC = not white. Good job reinforcing the idea that white is the default, I guess?


Oh lord, you are such a dumb dumb. I am a person of color. I defined myself by what I have - color. I didn’t say not-white, you did. I think you of as you someone who lacks color. You also lack nuance and understanding.
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Anonymous wrote:What a surprise. Another man bashing thread on DCUM. Nurse Ratched army loves to brigade around here.

White women are the worst. They love to double dip - they get their white privilege AND get to try to leverage all the gender oppression Olympics in their favor. They’re often the most cringeworthy.


70%+ of c suite jobs are men.

Not sure which Olympics your watching.


Women should start their own companies then rather than cry about it. Many studies have shown that men are more willing to take bigger risks than women. Women cannot be risk adverse, then cry later on when they're not on charge because they didn't want to take the risk starting businesses. Women always want everyone else to do the heavy lifting for them, then come in and take over control. Ha, that's not the way the world works. Put up or shut up. Why don't you put your home and all do your life's savings on the line to start a business if you want to be CEO so much?


Nobody is crying about it, the statistic just shows your assertion that men are left behind is wrong.
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Anonymous wrote:What bothers me is that this was actually a real opportunity to discuss what men struggle with. We could discuss how boys in schools need more movement, that there needs to be a better pipeline to jobs like teaching, nursing, the arts, etc. There needs to be a discussion that eventually we need a larger population of dads staying home with their children in addition of moms. We need to discuss how to be what was historically considered "masculine" without being a mouth breather heathen. There were so many things they could have talked about.

But they talked about where you get your news, and do you have women friends, and where do your women friends get their news.

There was a tiny bit at the end where they bemoan women not being interested in them because they are not tall and rich, which is odd, isn't Republican philosophy "work harder if your not getting ahead" (a head - pun intended).

One guy talked about his generation does not know how to make friend... that is the content that would have been of value.


DP. We are getting to the end of gentle parenting. Maybe we are ready to get to the end of eradicating masculinity, too. As a culture, we have tried to dismantle masculinity and femininity. And as a result, a lot of people are confused and unhappy.

We don't need to cater to children more, we need to expect and require more from them. We don't need to cater to men or women, we need to expect more from them.


ACTUALLY our standards for children are higher than they are for adults. We dont cater to children. We cater to adults who cant handle parenting children or being told no or being told there is something they need to fix- there is a distinct difference. Children model what they see adults do. If adults are always on devices, they expect to be on devices. If adults trash talk other people and say unkind words and denigrate entire swaths of society....well, you get a$$hole kids just like their parents. We also dont have a child-friendly society even though all the data points to the first 5 years as the most important developmentally.

You have obviously never dealt with a #boymom.
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Anonymous wrote:Who encourages this gender divide? Men are our literal partners and almost half the population.

Who benefits from this divisiveness?


The currently powerful
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Anonymous wrote:What a surprise. Another man bashing thread on DCUM. Nurse Ratched army loves to brigade around here.

White women are the worst. They love to double dip - they get their white privilege AND get to try to leverage all the gender oppression Olympics in their favor. They’re often the most cringeworthy.


70%+ of c suite jobs are men.

Not sure which Olympics your watching.


Women should start their own companies then rather than cry about it. Many studies have shown that men are more willing to take bigger risks than women. Women cannot be risk adverse, then cry later on when they're not on charge because they didn't want to take the risk starting businesses. Women always want everyone else to do the heavy lifting for them, then come in and take over control. Ha, that's not the way the world works. Put up or shut up. Why don't you put your home and all do your life's savings on the line to start a business if you want to be CEO so much?


Hmmm, let’s see…Women don’t have the same access to capital that mean do.


Woke types like you always have another baseless excuse to pull out of their a** when whining about their lack of success
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