NYT article on men struggling with their place in society

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I just read this and I am not sure there is an eye roll emoji that can accurately reflect how ridiculous this article is. A focus group of 12 men who voted for Trump. I admit I am a 40-something woman, with sisters and daughters so I probably have less opportunity to see this, but I struggle to believe that men are feeling like they don’t have a place in society. They OWN society. What is the deal with this whining? Even the comments about how they feel like chivalry is gone because women give them a dirty look if they hold a door. It is BASIC courtesy. And since when are men worried about getting a dirty look?

Can anyone explain this to me?

They used to own society. Now women own something like 2% and they are seething about it. It's no surprise coming from trumpers though lol. White men are the biggest victims of the 21st century

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The thread on gay men proves this. If you're used to being handed everything in life (straight men) and suddenly you have to work for things, you get mad. If you haven't had everything handed to you in life, you're benefiting now that societal values have shifted.

Have you ever met a white gay man? They can be just as entitled and misogynistic as straight white men. Sorry, but it’s most men. Not all. But most. Of every color.

Is MJT not a woman? Is she not entitled and misogynistic? Maybe you should stop talking in generalities?

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I just read this and I am not sure there is an eye roll emoji that can accurately reflect how ridiculous this article is. A focus group of 12 men who voted for Trump. I admit I am a 40-something woman, with sisters and daughters so I probably have less opportunity to see this, but I struggle to believe that men are feeling like they don’t have a place in society. They OWN society. What is the deal with this whining? Even the comments about how they feel like chivalry is gone because women give them a dirty look if they hold a door. It is BASIC courtesy. And since when are men worried about getting a dirty look?

Can anyone explain this to me?

They used to own society. Now women own something like 2% and they are seething about it. It's no surprise coming from trumpers though lol. White men are the biggest victims of the 21st century

+100
The thread on gay men proves this. If you're used to being handed everything in life (straight men) and suddenly you have to work for things, you get mad. If you haven't had everything handed to you in life, you're benefiting now that societal values have shifted.

Have you ever met a white gay man? They can be just as entitled and misogynistic as straight white men. Sorry, but it’s most men. Not all. But most. Of every color.

Is MJT not a woman? Is she not entitled and misogynistic? Maybe you should stop talking in generalities?

It’s a common misperception that women aren’t sexist or that racial minorities aren’t racist.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/01/16/opinion/men-trump-voters-focus-group.html?unlocked_article_code=1.pk4.M2Hr.Thy5lM84dXHH&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

I just read this and I am not sure there is an eye roll emoji that can accurately reflect how ridiculous this article is. A focus group of 12 men who voted for Trump. I admit I am a 40-something woman, with sisters and daughters so I probably have less opportunity to see this, but I struggle to believe that men are feeling like they don’t have a place in society. They OWN society. What is the deal with this whining? Even the comments about how they feel like chivalry is gone because women give them a dirty look if they hold a door. It is BASIC courtesy. And since when are men worried about getting a dirty look?

Can anyone explain this to me?

They used to own society. Now women own something like 2% and they are seething about it. It's no surprise coming from trumpers though lol. White men are the biggest victims of the 21st century

+100
The thread on gay men proves this. If you're used to being handed everything in life (straight men) and suddenly you have to work for things, you get mad. If you haven't had everything handed to you in life, you're benefiting now that societal values have shifted.

Have you ever met a white gay man? They can be just as entitled and misogynistic as straight white men. Sorry, but it’s most men. Not all. But most. Of every color.

Is MJT not a woman? Is she not entitled and misogynistic? Maybe you should stop talking in generalities?

It’s a common misperception that women aren’t sexist or that racial minorities aren’t racist.

BIPOC peoples are incapable of racism by definition. Only whites can be racist.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/01/16/opinion/men-trump-voters-focus-group.html?unlocked_article_code=1.pk4.M2Hr.Thy5lM84dXHH&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

I just read this and I am not sure there is an eye roll emoji that can accurately reflect how ridiculous this article is. A focus group of 12 men who voted for Trump. I admit I am a 40-something woman, with sisters and daughters so I probably have less opportunity to see this, but I struggle to believe that men are feeling like they don’t have a place in society. They OWN society. What is the deal with this whining? Even the comments about how they feel like chivalry is gone because women give them a dirty look if they hold a door. It is BASIC courtesy. And since when are men worried about getting a dirty look?

Can anyone explain this to me?

They used to own society. Now women own something like 2% and they are seething about it. It's no surprise coming from trumpers though lol. White men are the biggest victims of the 21st century

+100
The thread on gay men proves this. If you're used to being handed everything in life (straight men) and suddenly you have to work for things, you get mad. If you haven't had everything handed to you in life, you're benefiting now that societal values have shifted.

Have you ever met a white gay man? They can be just as entitled and misogynistic as straight white men. Sorry, but it’s most men. Not all. But most. Of every color.

Is MJT not a woman? Is she not entitled and misogynistic? Maybe you should stop talking in generalities?

It’s a common misperception that women aren’t sexist or that racial minorities aren’t racist.

BIPOC peoples are incapable of racism by definition. Only whites can be racist.

A) That's a dumb simplification of a complex argument about structural racism

B) Even in the case where it is used correctly, that applies primarily to the US. In China for example the Han possess all the power.

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This old article comes to mind due to 2 recent things that happened:


males identify themselves as Lions and also the whole chainsaw thing this week.

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I do think that there has been a substantial in the male/female dynamic, accelerating in the last 10 years. Women on average not just outpacing men in college attendance and graduation (as has been the case for some time now), but becoming accustomed to it as a norm. Especially the younger women I know, are also more accustomed to forming their own networks and professional connections and communities (co-ed and single sex) and are no longer striving to join the "men's club" so to speak. And socially, younger women are less interested in marrying, and more likely to initiate divorce. Most notable to me, though, is that almost none of the widowed and divorced women I know have any interest in remarrying (or for the most part even being in serious romantic relationships). These are active, social, smart, successful women, many of whom had been married long-term and raised kids. It doesn't seem to be some strident statement or anti-man sentiment or focus. Instead, there are just others relationships and activities these women want to dedicate their time to, whether friends, extended family or new passions. It's so different from when I was younger as I remember several of my mom's friends (who were professionally successful women for the time and financially secure) pretty actively seeking out a second husband, and the conversations re-marrying was the goal. Now it feels more like the women later in life are finding men to be more of a hassle and burden than a goal. Of course this isn't always the case but it feels like a big shift. If I were a man, I might be wondering whose going to take care of me in my old age (because less and less likely your current or a future wife). I can see all of this being quite unsettling, especially for men raised to believe they were the focal point and lead of the family (socially and financially) and are now seen as almost superfluous at times. Lots of generalizations, I know, but it seems the direction of travel.

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Now that DEI is gone, white men should have no trouble getting the jobs they're complaining about not getting, right?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/01/16/opinion/men-trump-voters-focus-group.html?unlocked_article_code=1.pk4.M2Hr.Thy5lM84dXHH&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

I just read this and I am not sure there is an eye roll emoji that can accurately reflect how ridiculous this article is. A focus group of 12 men who voted for Trump. I admit I am a 40-something woman, with sisters and daughters so I probably have less opportunity to see this, but I struggle to believe that men are feeling like they don’t have a place in society. They OWN society. What is the deal with this whining? Even the comments about how they feel like chivalry is gone because women give them a dirty look if they hold a door. It is BASIC courtesy. And since when are men worried about getting a dirty look?

Can anyone explain this to me?

They used to own society. Now women own something like 2% and they are seething about it. It's no surprise coming from trumpers though lol. White men are the biggest victims of the 21st century

+100
The thread on gay men proves this. If you're used to being handed everything in life (straight men) and suddenly you have to work for things, you get mad. If you haven't had everything handed to you in life, you're benefiting now that societal values have shifted.

Have you ever met a white gay man? They can be just as entitled and misogynistic as straight white men. Sorry, but it’s most men. Not all. But most. Of every color.

Is MJT not a woman? Is she not entitled and misogynistic? Maybe you should stop talking in generalities?

It’s a common misperception that women aren’t sexist or that racial minorities aren’t racist.

BIPOC peoples are incapable of racism by definition. Only whites can be racist.

A) That's a dumb simplification of a complex argument about structural racism

B) Even in the case where it is used correctly, that applies primarily to the US. In China for example the Han possess all the power.

Shhh!

No one here knows anything about class or caste systems in eastern civilizations across the millennia nor about the larger African/ Mideast slave trade.

Shhh. America is evil. Just keep repeating that. It’s all America’s fault. Even before 1619.

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I just read this and I am not sure there is an eye roll emoji that can accurately reflect how ridiculous this article is. A focus group of 12 men who voted for Trump. I admit I am a 40-something woman, with sisters and daughters so I probably have less opportunity to see this, but I struggle to believe that men are feeling like they don’t have a place in society. They OWN society. What is the deal with this whining? Even the comments about how they feel like chivalry is gone because women give them a dirty look if they hold a door. It is BASIC courtesy. And since when are men worried about getting a dirty look?

Can anyone explain this to me?

They used to own society. Now women own something like 2% and they are seething about it. It's no surprise coming from trumpers though lol. White men are the biggest victims of the 21st century

+100
The thread on gay men proves this. If you're used to being handed everything in life (straight men) and suddenly you have to work for things, you get mad. If you haven't had everything handed to you in life, you're benefiting now that societal values have shifted.

Have you ever met a white gay man? They can be just as entitled and misogynistic as straight white men. Sorry, but it’s most men. Not all. But most. Of every color.

Is MJT not a woman? Is she not entitled and misogynistic? Maybe you should stop talking in generalities?

It’s a common misperception that women aren’t sexist or that racial minorities aren’t racist.

BIPOC peoples are incapable of racism by definition. Only whites can be racist.

Just so you know, it's a sign of how little they respect you when the nice liberals nod along and pretend to agree with this.

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How is it that we got rid of the draft and yet men think they are struggling more than ever? Maybe go fight for Gaza or Ukraine or Russia if it's so much better in societies that are less genteel.

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Anonymous wrote:How is it that we got rid of the draft and yet men think they are struggling more than ever? Maybe go fight for Gaza or Ukraine or Russia if it's so much better in societies that are less genteel.

The draft is still a thing. They call it selective service.

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Anonymous wrote:How is it that we got rid of the draft and yet men think they are struggling more than ever? Maybe go fight for Gaza or Ukraine or Russia if it's so much better in societies that are less genteel.

The draft is still a thing. They call it selective service.

True but right now we have an all volunteer military. Other generations went through the civil war, WWII, vietam. And now men want to think they have it the hardest of all the generations? I don't get it.

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Men are being radicalized online. Listen to the sports radio shows and read through forums that are heavily male. Our men are being radicalized same as Africa and the Middle East. And the older men are actively seeking out boy scouts and video gamers to brainwash too. If you have boys, you need to be very clear with them that they are being targeted for manipulation.

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Probably

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They lack rich inner lives. It stands out that none of the men interviewed seem to read books or have creative hobbies. They get their information spoon-fed to them from people who want them to feel angry and dissatisfied, and that's just how they feel. Their lives are joyless, and they want everyone else's to be the same. Losers.