Why did God create pediatric cancer?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not religious but here's the way of think of "why do bad things happen to good people": In a nutshell, God was juggling a lot of balls and dropped one. So when one kid gets cancer, God didn't notice because s/he was preventing an earthquake that would have killed thousands. Something like that. It's the only thing I've come up with that both feels logical and comforts me.

So why did God create an earth that has earthquakes?

Can't make an Earth that doesn't quake. It's impossible. It's like making something with a left but not a right.

Wha? Something God can’t do?

What else is on the list of what god can’t do?

(Also, any decent geologist would tell you how to make an earth that doesn’t quake. So, wrong.).

Gosh can these decent geologists fix our earth so it stops having earthquakes?

Can these decent geologists make us a new, perfect, earthquake free earth? Then we can all go live on their perfect earth and we can abandon this junky earth that had colliding plates and volcanoes and storms.

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Anonymous wrote:What explains the suffering of children to people who aren’t religious? Is it just random terrible things, and then the child suffers and dies and is snuffed out of existence?

To some, I think. A friend who was atheist was dying of a terrible illness and that is certainly how he viewed it. I lived, I suffer, I die, and am no more. I found it very sad that he viewed life as so pointless, but others found his point of view somehow comforting.

Did he say life was pointless, or did you imagine it?
It's quite sad that you find life so pointless that you wish for something to exist outside of life to give it a point.

What’s the point in the life of a baby with cancer? They suffer and die, what is the point to their lives?

I’d like to know the answer to this too. Can someone explain how they view this secularly?

All life on earth (and earth itself) is random. Both the suffering and the joy.
All we can do is attempt to create meaningful experiences for ourselves while we are here.

But we are still subject to randomness that cannot be expained, controlled or "prayed" away.

So what is the meaningful experience of a baby born, developing cancer, and dying?

+1

Anyone?

Nothing at all. I said we can "try" to create a meaningful experience for ourselves, but yes that child likely cannot. It is the proof of the world's randomness.

Ok so in the secular view, babies die from cancer randomly and their lives mean nothing.

Goddamn you are dense as a rock having been told multiple times in this thread that is not what anyone is saying:

babies die from cancer randomly

No, it is a complex combination of genetics, environment and many other things we don't understand yet.

and their lives mean nothing

WTF kind of horrific immoral insensitive monster are you to suggest someone things such a thing? You are despicable.

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Anonymous wrote:*So you would create non-humans without their own thoughts and feelings.*

Sorry, the first sentence was mistyped.

I never said that. God can’t create a space or people with free will but no evil?

Well then heaven is gonna SUCK.

So how can people have free will if God takes the ability of humans to choose for themselves away?


Free will is free. Totally free. Free will is not predetermined, programmed, AI creatures that look like humans, talk like humans, but aren’t human. Humans are individual beings.


We are unable to fully serve God in this life due to sin, but in heaven "every curse will no longer be" (Revelation 22:3). We will not be under the curse of sin any longer, so everything we do will be worship in heaven. We will never be motivated by anything other than our love for God. Everything we do will be out of our love for God, untainted by our sin nature.

Heaven is a different place than earth. But really since you don’t believe in God, why do you care? You don’t believe in any of this stuff; why are you so worried about it?

This has zero bearing on your life, why is it so important you endlessly debate things you don’t believe in?

Answer this question: Is there free will in heaven?

Answer this question: Do you believe in God?

regarding your question: Adam and Eve had a choice to make in the Garden of Eden, and that shows beyond all doubt that mankind was created with a free will.


Humans has retained his free will, and we will retain free will in heaven.

In heaven we are completely conformed to the image of Christ (Romans 8:28–30). We will not want to sin. In heaven there will be no temptation to lure us and no devil to deceive us. We will face no test; our moral state will be secure. Jesus has a truly free will yet is without sin, so will we retain a free will yet be without sin. We will be like Him.

(1 John 3:2).

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

So you refuse to answer the question?

Is there free Will in heaven?

Answer this question: Do you believe in God?

regarding your question: Adam and Eve had a choice to make in the Garden of Eden, and that shows beyond all doubt that mankind was created with a free will.


Humans has retained his free will, and we will retain free will in heaven.

In heaven we are completely conformed to the image of Christ (Romans 8:28–30). We will not want to sin. In heaven there will be no temptation to lure us and no devil to deceive us. We will face no test; our moral state will be secure. Jesus has a truly free will yet is without sin, so will we retain a free will yet be without sin. We will be like Him.

(1 John 3:2).

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

I asked you first, and you keep DODGING THE QUESTION. You are doing that and you know why. So does everything else reading the thread.

Answer the question: Is there free will in heaven to continue the discussion in context instead of ignoring what you can’t answer or no one will take anything you say as more than straw man BS. End period.

The traditional view of heaven holds that the redeemed in heaven both have free will and are no longer capable of sinning.

It has been answered in 4 separate posts in the last 2-3 pages.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not religious but here's the way of think of "why do bad things happen to good people": In a nutshell, God was juggling a lot of balls and dropped one. So when one kid gets cancer, God didn't notice because s/he was preventing an earthquake that would have killed thousands. Something like that. It's the only thing I've come up with that both feels logical and comforts me.

So why did God create an earth that has earthquakes?

Can't make an Earth that doesn't quake. It's impossible. It's like making something with a left but not a right.

Wha? Something God can’t do?

What else is on the list of what god can’t do?

(Also, any decent geologist would tell you how to make an earth that doesn’t quake. So, wrong.).

Gosh can these decent geologists fix our earth so it stops having earthquakes?

Can these decent geologists make us a new, perfect, earthquake free earth? Then we can all go live on their perfect earth and we can abandon this junky earth that had colliding plates and volcanoes and storms.

Stupid straw-mans from a fire hose here. No one is saying they can "fix it" - so stupid - but they can explain why they happen and tell you what the world would have to be like for them to NOT happen. You are making up more dishonest BS.

We are not here to teach rudimentary science to you fundamental creationist home school failures. Look up plate tectonics and then come back.

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Anonymous wrote:What explains the suffering of children to people who aren’t religious? Is it just random terrible things, and then the child suffers and dies and is snuffed out of existence?

To some, I think. A friend who was atheist was dying of a terrible illness and that is certainly how he viewed it. I lived, I suffer, I die, and am no more. I found it very sad that he viewed life as so pointless, but others found his point of view somehow comforting.

Did he say life was pointless, or did you imagine it?
It's quite sad that you find life so pointless that you wish for something to exist outside of life to give it a point.

What’s the point in the life of a baby with cancer? They suffer and die, what is the point to their lives?

I’d like to know the answer to this too. Can someone explain how they view this secularly?

All life on earth (and earth itself) is random. Both the suffering and the joy.
All we can do is attempt to create meaningful experiences for ourselves while we are here.

But we are still subject to randomness that cannot be expained, controlled or "prayed" away.

So what is the meaningful experience of a baby born, developing cancer, and dying?

+1

Anyone?

Nothing at all. I said we can "try" to create a meaningful experience for ourselves, but yes that child likely cannot. It is the proof of the world's randomness.

Ok so in the secular view, babies die from cancer randomly and their lives mean nothing.

Goddamn you are dense as a rock having been told multiple times in this thread that is not what anyone is saying:

babies die from cancer randomly

No, it is a complex combination of genetics, environment and many other things we don't understand yet.

and their lives mean nothing

WTF kind of horrific immoral insensitive monster are you to suggest someone things such a thing? You are despicable.

“Nothing at all. I said we can "try" to create a meaningful experience for ourselves, but yes that child likely cannot. It is the proof of the world's randomness.“

posted on the prior page at 12:33, from a secular poster.

You and another secular poster have different opinions, and you think their opinion makes them an immoral monster.

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Anonymous wrote:What explains the suffering of children to people who aren’t religious? Is it just random terrible things, and then the child suffers and dies and is snuffed out of existence?

To some, I think. A friend who was atheist was dying of a terrible illness and that is certainly how he viewed it. I lived, I suffer, I die, and am no more. I found it very sad that he viewed life as so pointless, but others found his point of view somehow comforting.

Did he say life was pointless, or did you imagine it?
It's quite sad that you find life so pointless that you wish for something to exist outside of life to give it a point.

What’s the point in the life of a baby with cancer? They suffer and die, what is the point to their lives?

I’d like to know the answer to this too. Can someone explain how they view this secularly?

All life on earth (and earth itself) is random. Both the suffering and the joy.
All we can do is attempt to create meaningful experiences for ourselves while we are here.

But we are still subject to randomness that cannot be expained, controlled or "prayed" away.

So what is the meaningful experience of a baby born, developing cancer, and dying?

+1

Anyone?

Nothing at all. I said we can "try" to create a meaningful experience for ourselves, but yes that child likely cannot. It is the proof of the world's randomness.

Ok so in the secular view, babies die from cancer randomly and their lives mean nothing.

Goddamn you are dense as a rock having been told multiple times in this thread that is not what anyone is saying:

babies die from cancer randomly

No, it is a complex combination of genetics, environment and many other things we don't understand yet.

and their lives mean nothing

WTF kind of horrific immoral insensitive monster are you to suggest someone things such a thing? You are despicable.

I believe the same secular poster posted this:


They then followed it up by saying the baby could not create anything meaningful from it’s life or death.

So secular posters don’t agree on the answer to this question.

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Anonymous wrote:*So you would create non-humans without their own thoughts and feelings.*

Sorry, the first sentence was mistyped.

I never said that. God can’t create a space or people with free will but no evil?

Well then heaven is gonna SUCK.

So how can people have free will if God takes the ability of humans to choose for themselves away?


Free will is free. Totally free. Free will is not predetermined, programmed, AI creatures that look like humans, talk like humans, but aren’t human. Humans are individual beings.


We are unable to fully serve God in this life due to sin, but in heaven "every curse will no longer be" (Revelation 22:3). We will not be under the curse of sin any longer, so everything we do will be worship in heaven. We will never be motivated by anything other than our love for God. Everything we do will be out of our love for God, untainted by our sin nature.

Heaven is a different place than earth. But really since you don’t believe in God, why do you care? You don’t believe in any of this stuff; why are you so worried about it?

This has zero bearing on your life, why is it so important you endlessly debate things you don’t believe in?

Answer this question: Is there free will in heaven?

Answer this question: Do you believe in God?

regarding your question: Adam and Eve had a choice to make in the Garden of Eden, and that shows beyond all doubt that mankind was created with a free will.


Humans has retained his free will, and we will retain free will in heaven.

In heaven we are completely conformed to the image of Christ (Romans 8:28–30). We will not want to sin. In heaven there will be no temptation to lure us and no devil to deceive us. We will face no test; our moral state will be secure. Jesus has a truly free will yet is without sin, so will we retain a free will yet be without sin. We will be like Him.

(1 John 3:2).

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

So you refuse to answer the question?

Is there free Will in heaven?

Answer this question: Do you believe in God?

regarding your question: Adam and Eve had a choice to make in the Garden of Eden, and that shows beyond all doubt that mankind was created with a free will.


Humans has retained his free will, and we will retain free will in heaven.

In heaven we are completely conformed to the image of Christ (Romans 8:28–30). We will not want to sin. In heaven there will be no temptation to lure us and no devil to deceive us. We will face no test; our moral state will be secure. Jesus has a truly free will yet is without sin, so will we retain a free will yet be without sin. We will be like Him.

(1 John 3:2).

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

I asked you first, and you keep DODGING THE QUESTION. You are doing that and you know why. So does everything else reading the thread.

Answer the question: Is there free will in heaven to continue the discussion in context instead of ignoring what you can’t answer or no one will take anything you say as more than straw man BS. End period.

The traditional view of heaven holds that the redeemed in heaven both have free will and are no longer capable of sinning.

It has been answered in 4 separate posts in the last 2-3 pages.

No, no it has not been answered. It is a yes or no question. Just say "YES" or "NO"

But I will take your response as a "YES" as it is the closest so far.

So we have established things can be perfect and yet still provide free will, since there are none of those horrible things in heaven. Therefore they can exist on the world where I am god too. Argument over.

Now I will answer your question, as I promised: No, of course I do not believe in a god, because this simple logic leads to the logical conclusion that it is unlikely one exists. So until someone presents sufficient evidence to the contrary, I will not believe in one.

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Anonymous wrote:What explains the suffering of children to people who aren’t religious? Is it just random terrible things, and then the child suffers and dies and is snuffed out of existence?

To some, I think. A friend who was atheist was dying of a terrible illness and that is certainly how he viewed it. I lived, I suffer, I die, and am no more. I found it very sad that he viewed life as so pointless, but others found his point of view somehow comforting.

Did he say life was pointless, or did you imagine it?
It's quite sad that you find life so pointless that you wish for something to exist outside of life to give it a point.

What’s the point in the life of a baby with cancer? They suffer and die, what is the point to their lives?

I’d like to know the answer to this too. Can someone explain how they view this secularly?

All life on earth (and earth itself) is random. Both the suffering and the joy.
All we can do is attempt to create meaningful experiences for ourselves while we are here.

But we are still subject to randomness that cannot be expained, controlled or "prayed" away.

So what is the meaningful experience of a baby born, developing cancer, and dying?

+1

Anyone?

Nothing at all. I said we can "try" to create a meaningful experience for ourselves, but yes that child likely cannot. It is the proof of the world's randomness.

Ok so in the secular view, babies die from cancer randomly and their lives mean nothing.

Goddamn you are dense as a rock having been told multiple times in this thread that is not what anyone is saying:

babies die from cancer randomly

No, it is a complex combination of genetics, environment and many other things we don't understand yet.

and their lives mean nothing

WTF kind of horrific immoral insensitive monster are you to suggest someone things such a thing? You are despicable.

I believe the same secular poster posted this:


They then followed it up by saying the baby could not create anything meaningful from it’s life or death.

So secular posters don’t agree on the answer to this question.

Uncertain what your point is. I am the PP who posted the "dense as a rock" accusation (which I stand behind). I did not post the other comment.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not religious but here's the way of think of "why do bad things happen to good people": In a nutshell, God was juggling a lot of balls and dropped one. So when one kid gets cancer, God didn't notice because s/he was preventing an earthquake that would have killed thousands. Something like that. It's the only thing I've come up with that both feels logical and comforts me.

So why did God create an earth that has earthquakes?

Can't make an Earth that doesn't quake. It's impossible. It's like making something with a left but not a right.

Wha? Something God can’t do?

What else is on the list of what god can’t do?

(Also, any decent geologist would tell you how to make an earth that doesn’t quake. So, wrong.).

Gosh can these decent geologists fix our earth so it stops having earthquakes?

Can these decent geologists make us a new, perfect, earthquake free earth? Then we can all go live on their perfect earth and we can abandon this junky earth that had colliding plates and volcanoes and storms.

Stupid straw-mans from a fire hose here. No one is saying they can "fix it" - so stupid - but they can explain why they happen and tell you what the world would have to be like for them to NOT happen. You are making up more dishonest BS.

We are not here to teach rudimentary science to you fundamental creationist home school failures. Look up plate tectonics and then come back.

So geologists can tell us how the earth should be formed to prevent earthquakes?

Could you give us a quick synopsis of how geologists say the earth should have been created? Like with stronger materials or something?

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Anonymous wrote:What explains the suffering of children to people who aren’t religious? Is it just random terrible things, and then the child suffers and dies and is snuffed out of existence?

To some, I think. A friend who was atheist was dying of a terrible illness and that is certainly how he viewed it. I lived, I suffer, I die, and am no more. I found it very sad that he viewed life as so pointless, but others found his point of view somehow comforting.

Did he say life was pointless, or did you imagine it?
It's quite sad that you find life so pointless that you wish for something to exist outside of life to give it a point.

What’s the point in the life of a baby with cancer? They suffer and die, what is the point to their lives?

I’d like to know the answer to this too. Can someone explain how they view this secularly?

All life on earth (and earth itself) is random. Both the suffering and the joy.
All we can do is attempt to create meaningful experiences for ourselves while we are here.

But we are still subject to randomness that cannot be expained, controlled or "prayed" away.

So what is the meaningful experience of a baby born, developing cancer, and dying?

+1

Anyone?

They might touch a soul on earth and will be one with God in heaven when they die.

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Anonymous wrote:What explains the suffering of children to people who aren’t religious? Is it just random terrible things, and then the child suffers and dies and is snuffed out of existence?

To some, I think. A friend who was atheist was dying of a terrible illness and that is certainly how he viewed it. I lived, I suffer, I die, and am no more. I found it very sad that he viewed life as so pointless, but others found his point of view somehow comforting.

Did he say life was pointless, or did you imagine it?
It's quite sad that you find life so pointless that you wish for something to exist outside of life to give it a point.

What’s the point in the life of a baby with cancer? They suffer and die, what is the point to their lives?

I’d like to know the answer to this too. Can someone explain how they view this secularly?

All life on earth (and earth itself) is random. Both the suffering and the joy.
All we can do is attempt to create meaningful experiences for ourselves while we are here.

But we are still subject to randomness that cannot be expained, controlled or "prayed" away.

So what is the meaningful experience of a baby born, developing cancer, and dying?

+1

Anyone?

Nothing at all. I said we can "try" to create a meaningful experience for ourselves, but yes that child likely cannot. It is the proof of the world's randomness.

Ok so in the secular view, babies die from cancer randomly and their lives mean nothing.

Goddamn you are dense as a rock having been told multiple times in this thread that is not what anyone is saying:

babies die from cancer randomly

No, it is a complex combination of genetics, environment and many other things we don't understand yet.

and their lives mean nothing

WTF kind of horrific immoral insensitive monster are you to suggest someone things such a thing? You are despicable.

I believe the same secular poster posted this:


They then followed it up by saying the baby could not create anything meaningful from it’s life or death.

So secular posters don’t agree on the answer to this question.

Uncertain what your point is. I am the PP who posted the "dense as a rock" accusation (which I stand behind). I did not post the other comment.

Another secular poster posted the post you take issue with. They have a different opinion than yours.

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Anonymous wrote:What explains the suffering of children to people who aren’t religious? Is it just random terrible things, and then the child suffers and dies and is snuffed out of existence?

To some, I think. A friend who was atheist was dying of a terrible illness and that is certainly how he viewed it. I lived, I suffer, I die, and am no more. I found it very sad that he viewed life as so pointless, but others found his point of view somehow comforting.

Did he say life was pointless, or did you imagine it?
It's quite sad that you find life so pointless that you wish for something to exist outside of life to give it a point.

What’s the point in the life of a baby with cancer? They suffer and die, what is the point to their lives?

I’d like to know the answer to this too. Can someone explain how they view this secularly?

All life on earth (and earth itself) is random. Both the suffering and the joy.
All we can do is attempt to create meaningful experiences for ourselves while we are here.

But we are still subject to randomness that cannot be expained, controlled or "prayed" away.

So what is the meaningful experience of a baby born, developing cancer, and dying?

+1

Anyone?

They might touch a soul on earth and will be one with God in heaven when they die.

I think some religious people believe that.

So far 2 secular posters have posted and they have different opinions; in fact, one believes that the other secular poster is an immoral monster for their opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not religious but here's the way of think of "why do bad things happen to good people": In a nutshell, God was juggling a lot of balls and dropped one. So when one kid gets cancer, God didn't notice because s/he was preventing an earthquake that would have killed thousands. Something like that. It's the only thing I've come up with that both feels logical and comforts me.

So why did God create an earth that has earthquakes?

Can't make an Earth that doesn't quake. It's impossible. It's like making something with a left but not a right.

Wha? Something God can’t do?

What else is on the list of what god can’t do?

(Also, any decent geologist would tell you how to make an earth that doesn’t quake. So, wrong.).

Gosh can these decent geologists fix our earth so it stops having earthquakes?

Can these decent geologists make us a new, perfect, earthquake free earth? Then we can all go live on their perfect earth and we can abandon this junky earth that had colliding plates and volcanoes and storms.

Stupid straw-mans from a fire hose here. No one is saying they can "fix it" - so stupid - but they can explain why they happen and tell you what the world would have to be like for them to NOT happen. You are making up more dishonest BS.

We are not here to teach rudimentary science to you fundamental creationist home school failures. Look up plate tectonics and then come back.

So geologists can tell us how the earth should be formed to prevent earthquakes?

Could you give us a quick synopsis of how geologists say the earth should have been created? Like with stronger materials or something?

Take a minute and go back and read what you typed. You clearly are not a serious poster. If you are this is very, very stupid. Especially since I essentially pointed you to the answer in the post you are responding to.

If you are sincere in what you typed, I respectfully and with good intent suggest maybe you not enter into these types of discussions as you are not suited for them and make religious people sound stupid (and most are not stupid). If you are not sincere in what you typed and are just trolling, please GFY.

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Anonymous wrote:*So you would create non-humans without their own thoughts and feelings.*

Sorry, the first sentence was mistyped.

I never said that. God can’t create a space or people with free will but no evil?

Well then heaven is gonna SUCK.

So how can people have free will if God takes the ability of humans to choose for themselves away?


Free will is free. Totally free. Free will is not predetermined, programmed, AI creatures that look like humans, talk like humans, but aren’t human. Humans are individual beings.


We are unable to fully serve God in this life due to sin, but in heaven "every curse will no longer be" (Revelation 22:3). We will not be under the curse of sin any longer, so everything we do will be worship in heaven. We will never be motivated by anything other than our love for God. Everything we do will be out of our love for God, untainted by our sin nature.

Heaven is a different place than earth. But really since you don’t believe in God, why do you care? You don’t believe in any of this stuff; why are you so worried about it?

This has zero bearing on your life, why is it so important you endlessly debate things you don’t believe in?

Answer this question: Is there free will in heaven?

Answer this question: Do you believe in God?

regarding your question: Adam and Eve had a choice to make in the Garden of Eden, and that shows beyond all doubt that mankind was created with a free will.


Humans has retained his free will, and we will retain free will in heaven.

In heaven we are completely conformed to the image of Christ (Romans 8:28–30). We will not want to sin. In heaven there will be no temptation to lure us and no devil to deceive us. We will face no test; our moral state will be secure. Jesus has a truly free will yet is without sin, so will we retain a free will yet be without sin. We will be like Him.

(1 John 3:2).

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

So you refuse to answer the question?

Is there free Will in heaven?

Answer this question: Do you believe in God?

regarding your question: Adam and Eve had a choice to make in the Garden of Eden, and that shows beyond all doubt that mankind was created with a free will.


Humans has retained his free will, and we will retain free will in heaven.

In heaven we are completely conformed to the image of Christ (Romans 8:28–30). We will not want to sin. In heaven there will be no temptation to lure us and no devil to deceive us. We will face no test; our moral state will be secure. Jesus has a truly free will yet is without sin, so will we retain a free will yet be without sin. We will be like Him.

(1 John 3:2).

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

I asked you first, and you keep DODGING THE QUESTION. You are doing that and you know why. So does everything else reading the thread.

Answer the question: Is there free will in heaven to continue the discussion in context instead of ignoring what you can’t answer or no one will take anything you say as more than straw man BS. End period.

The traditional view of heaven holds that the redeemed in heaven both have free will and are no longer capable of sinning.

It has been answered in 4 separate posts in the last 2-3 pages.

No, no it has not been answered. It is a yes or no question. Just say "YES" or "NO"

But I will take your response as a "YES" as it is the closest so far.

So we have established things can be perfect and yet still provide free will, since there are none of those horrible things in heaven. Therefore they can exist on the world where I am god too. Argument over.

Now I will answer your question, as I promised: No, of course I do not believe in a god, because this simple logic leads to the logical conclusion that it is unlikely one exists. So until someone presents sufficient evidence to the contrary, I will not believe in one.

So you will use the non-existent God’s example of heaven as how you would make earth if you were a god?

Aren’t there any better gods you can copy? And why would you need to copy the example of the non-existent God? You don’t have better ways to do all this stuff?

It’s pretty weird you say He doesn’t exist, but say you would do what He does to make the world perfect.

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Anonymous wrote:What explains the suffering of children to people who aren’t religious? Is it just random terrible things, and then the child suffers and dies and is snuffed out of existence?

To some, I think. A friend who was atheist was dying of a terrible illness and that is certainly how he viewed it. I lived, I suffer, I die, and am no more. I found it very sad that he viewed life as so pointless, but others found his point of view somehow comforting.

Did he say life was pointless, or did you imagine it?
It's quite sad that you find life so pointless that you wish for something to exist outside of life to give it a point.

What’s the point in the life of a baby with cancer? They suffer and die, what is the point to their lives?

I’d like to know the answer to this too. Can someone explain how they view this secularly?

All life on earth (and earth itself) is random. Both the suffering and the joy.
All we can do is attempt to create meaningful experiences for ourselves while we are here.

But we are still subject to randomness that cannot be expained, controlled or "prayed" away.

So what is the meaningful experience of a baby born, developing cancer, and dying?

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Anyone?

They might touch a soul on earth and will be one with God in heaven when they die.

I think some religious people believe that.

So far 2 secular posters have posted and they have different opinions; in fact, one believes that the other secular poster is an immoral monster for their opinion.

I have no idea if that poster that typed "Ok so in the secular view, babies die from cancer randomly and their lives mean nothing" is religious or not. They did not state explicitly but it certainly appeared to be a religious person straw-man mis-paraphrasing another statement.

I can't prove it but it certainly appears YOU typed it, and if so, you are in fact a horrific immoral insensitive monster.