Why did God create pediatric cancer?

Anonymous
So people who don’t believe in God have no capacity to accept people who do believe in God, no respect, no tolerance for Christianity, because they don’t believe it. They seem to tolerate other religions, but Christianity is the singular religion that drives them to obsessively post about how God isn’t real/isn’t all powerful/is all powerful but evil, etc. Being so outraged and outspoken about an entity you don’t believe exists is utterly ridiculous. Also, the people posting here aren’t atheists, they’re antitheists. They hide who they are and pretend to be atheists, but they’re the toxic, hateful, antitheists who have made it their life goal to rage against religion. They are as harmful and hateful as any fundamentalist. They are antiAmerican, because American ideals are based on freedom of religion. They don’t say: “I don’t believe in God and I am not religious, but my fellow Americans have the right to practice their religion as I have the right to not practice religion. That’s a unique and hard fought freedom Americans fought for and cherish.”

No, they slink about in the shadows, making atheists look bad, being intolerant and disrespectful, insisting God doesn’t exist, insulting anyone who believes in God. They argue the same points over incessantly in their quest to debate Christianity. They mock other people’s faith with glee, like the good little antitheists they are.

Antitheists are unAmerican and their ideals are incompatible with true American ideals.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So people who don’t believe in God have no capacity to accept people who do believe in God, no respect, no tolerance for Christianity, because they don’t believe it. They seem to tolerate other religions, but Christianity is the singular religion that drives them to obsessively post about how God isn’t real/isn’t all powerful/is all powerful but evil, etc. Being so outraged and outspoken about an entity you don’t believe exists is utterly ridiculous. Also, the people posting here aren’t atheists, they’re antitheists. They hide who they are and pretend to be atheists, but they’re the toxic, hateful, antitheists who have made it their life goal to rage against religion. They are as harmful and hateful as any fundamentalist. They are antiAmerican, because American ideals are based on freedom of religion. They don’t say: “I don’t believe in God and I am not religious, but my fellow Americans have the right to practice their religion as I have the right to not practice religion. That’s a unique and hard fought freedom Americans fought for and cherish.”

No, they slink about in the shadows, making atheists look bad, being intolerant and disrespectful, insisting God doesn’t exist, insulting anyone who believes in God. They argue the same points over incessantly in their quest to debate Christianity. They mock other people’s faith with glee, like the good little antitheists they are.

Antitheists are unAmerican and their ideals are incompatible with true American ideals.


As for some kind of special prejudice against Christianity: Completely false. Atheists don't believe in any religion. The reason you think yours is being singled out is because you think that is the only one that is true. The irony flies right past you and it is shocking you can't see it.

I have many posts in this thread and not once did I specify which god did or didn't create pediatric cancer, or which god did not likely exist. Because the answer is "all of them".
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So people who don’t believe in God have no capacity to accept people who do believe in God, no respect, no tolerance for Christianity, because they don’t believe it. They seem to tolerate other religions, but Christianity is the singular religion that drives them to obsessively post about how God isn’t real/isn’t all powerful/is all powerful but evil, etc. Being so outraged and outspoken about an entity you don’t believe exists is utterly ridiculous. Also, the people posting here aren’t atheists, they’re antitheists. They hide who they are and pretend to be atheists, but they’re the toxic, hateful, antitheists who have made it their life goal to rage against religion. They are as harmful and hateful as any fundamentalist. They are antiAmerican, because American ideals are based on freedom of religion. They don’t say: “I don’t believe in God and I am not religious, but my fellow Americans have the right to practice their religion as I have the right to not practice religion. That’s a unique and hard fought freedom Americans fought for and cherish.”

No, they slink about in the shadows, making atheists look bad, being intolerant and disrespectful, insisting God doesn’t exist, insulting anyone who believes in God. They argue the same points over incessantly in their quest to debate Christianity. They mock other people’s faith with glee, like the good little antitheists they are.

Antitheists are unAmerican and their ideals are incompatible with true American ideals.


As for some kind of special prejudice against Christianity: Completely false. Atheists don't believe in any religion. The reason you think yours is being singled out is because you think that is the only one that is true. The irony flies right past you and it is shocking you can't see it.

I have many posts in this thread and not once did I specify which god did or didn't create pediatric cancer, or which god did not likely exist. Because the answer is "all of them".


Monotheists are atheistic about all of the hundreds of gods except 1. Atheists take it a tiny step further.
Anonymous


Anonymous wrote:Why do you all insist on paraphrasing? No one said that in this thread that I can find. What was said is that the problem of evil (ie pediatric cancer) makes an anthropomorphic interactive omniscient god logically unlikely to exist. "Worth" never enters it.


I am paraphrasing because it is the theme throughout all the comments. That is how theme works.



Non-religious people have positions on religion also. You properly type "religion" forum, and not "religious" forum, so at least you got that part right. But I tell you what: as soon as the world stops making policy based on religion I will stop posting here or elsewhere. Deal?


I don't get this. This is a democracy (sort of) and people can make decisions based on whatever worldview they hold. You are making policy/voting decisions on atheism. Some people are making decisions based on whatever huge corporations are telling/selling them. Why single religion out? In a democracy all ideas are subject to debate in the public forum. No religion is physically forcing anything on anyone. For that, go to a sharia law country.


If it can't be understood, then people should stop claiming to understand it, right? If it can't be understood, then the idea that there is no god or that there is and it is Xenu are just as valid as your position, correct?


No one is claiming to understand it completely.




This thing you type in bold, as pointed out again and again and again, is a position nearly no atheist holds. Atheism is not nihilism. Atheism purports no claim to solace. It is simply the position that there is insufficient evidence to believe in a god or gods, and nothing more. Please don't ascribe anything more to it unless a specific person claims to hold that belief.


I still have yet to hear any secular position aside from it being random. Random that universe came to be, random that life emerged, random that we evolved in a certain way, random that some are born rich and powerful and others born weak and poor. Random when illness strikes, random when kids die of cancer. Just bad luck.

I will respectfully point out that you are also an atheist with regard to all the gods you do not believe in, as well as many other myths and mythical creatures with which you would find belief in difficult.


Not how I see it. Religious belief in general is a dimension of human life, one shared by all religious from the caveman down to Christians today. Christianity is just the full truth and fulfillment of all those human strivings for transcendence. Atheists deny this whole dimension of humanity.
Anonymous
I am paraphrasing because it is the theme throughout all the comments. That is how theme works.


I do not know where you got that cockamamie idea, but no it is not. Do not paraphrase, use the quote button (which you demonstrated you know how) and DON'T change people's statements. It's very rude and shows you have no position in response to the actual statement so you straw man into something that is easier for you.

I don't get this. This is a democracy (sort of) and people can make decisions based on whatever worldview they hold. You are making policy/voting decisions on atheism. Some people are making decisions based on whatever huge corporations are telling/selling them. Why single religion out? In a democracy all ideas are subject to debate in the public forum. No religion is physically forcing anything on anyone. For that, go to a sharia law country.


Thanks for admitting you are a dominionist. Like most you have also not read the constitution which literally prohibits legislation from a particular religion. You are so wrong on this it is hard to believe you are real.

No one is claiming to understand it completely.


Do you need me to go back and copy and paste all the "god does this because..." statements?

I still have yet to hear any secular position aside from it being random. Random that universe came to be, random that life emerged, random that we evolved in a certain way, random that some are born rich and powerful and others born weak and poor. Random when illness strikes, random when kids die of cancer. Just bad luck.


Another effing lie from you, and a ridiculous one, because people who believe in science know it is a result of flawed natural processes, and you are the one who thinks it is all part of some grand design.

Not how I see it. Religious belief in general is a dimension of human life, one shared by all religious from the caveman down to Christians today. Christianity is just the full truth and fulfillment of all those human strivings for transcendence.


Lol, no more BS. You don't believe in Xenu. Others do. That makes you an atheist WRT Xenu. You don't believe in Vishnu. You don't believe in Zeus, or Leprechauns, or any other thing than your thing.

Atheists deny this whole dimension of humanity.


Nope wrong one more time! (this has to be a record). Atheists don't believe in a god or gods. End period. It has nothing do do with any "dimension of humanity". Oh, and did you know that is a Taoist phrase? You don't believe in that either!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If God can’t save an innocent person from suffering, then he isn’t omnipotent, is he? He can’t be both benevolent and omnipotent. The two are mutually exclusive in this case.


So in your view, God should exist to please us? Keep us safe, happy, help us achieve our desires?

I think any objective observer can see that there is something deeply flawed with humanity. We do things we know are wrong. Not just do things that are wrong but we often enjoy doing things that we know are wrong and hurtful to others. We have an internal consciousness but fight it at times. Animals don't do this. Everything in this world follows the "rules" put upon them. Rocks, on earth, will drop because they follow the laws of gravity. Lions are vicious and kill but do not do so for pure enjoyment. anyone would recognize that human evil goes way beyond. It is not a matter of linear progression from the animal world but a totally different plane.

So in this context, do you think God should aim to please us, who are greatly flawed? Any correction from God will feel horrible to us because it is not because God is mean or evil, but because we are flawed. Think of real life. Anything worth achieving requires a huge amount of sacrifice, pain, and sometimes suffering. Those who live a sheltered life often do not gain the wisdom and maturity of those who have been through difficult period of life. This is just how things are.


This is actually not true. Have you seen what Orcas can do? There is absolutely thrill killing (ever seen a cat play with a bird), rape, infanticide, etc. in the animal kingdom. They do not have a consciousness to the level that humans do, but many display intelligence, empathy, ability to help or harm others, etc. Let’s not pretend animals are just out there following some set of rules for survival and never do anything like kill or maim for fun.

I agree with you humanity is deeply flawed (and we have more tools, language, etc. than any other animal to overcome these flaws if we wanted). But we aren’t alone in the universe as far as doing some messed up stuff.


What is your evidence for that assertion?

If we have learned anything over the last few decades of field studies of animal behavior as well as neuroscience studies on animals, it is that most of what we thought we knew about animal behaviors and capacities is plain wrong.

Sperm whales have brains 6x larger than ours. Do you really think all of that capacity is wasted and useless? Isn't it much more likely that we just don't know (yet) how to communicate with these animals?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So people who don’t believe in God have no capacity to accept people who do believe in God, no respect, no tolerance for Christianity, because they don’t believe it. They seem to tolerate other religions, but Christianity is the singular religion that drives them to obsessively post about how God isn’t real/isn’t all powerful/is all powerful but evil, etc. Being so outraged and outspoken about an entity you don’t believe exists is utterly ridiculous. Also, the people posting here aren’t atheists, they’re antitheists. They hide who they are and pretend to be atheists, but they’re the toxic, hateful, antitheists who have made it their life goal to rage against religion. They are as harmful and hateful as any fundamentalist. They are antiAmerican, because American ideals are based on freedom of religion. They don’t say: “I don’t believe in God and I am not religious, but my fellow Americans have the right to practice their religion as I have the right to not practice religion. That’s a unique and hard fought freedom Americans fought for and cherish.”

No, they slink about in the shadows, making atheists look bad, being intolerant and disrespectful, insisting God doesn’t exist, insulting anyone who believes in God. They argue the same points over incessantly in their quest to debate Christianity. They mock other people’s faith with glee, like the good little antitheists they are.

Antitheists are unAmerican and their ideals are incompatible with true American ideals.


You sure do love your fiction. You even fabricate it yourself.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So people who don’t believe in God have no capacity to accept people who do believe in God, no respect, no tolerance for Christianity, because they don’t believe it. They seem to tolerate other religions, but Christianity is the singular religion that drives them to obsessively post about how God isn’t real/isn’t all powerful/is all powerful but evil, etc. Being so outraged and outspoken about an entity you don’t believe exists is utterly ridiculous. Also, the people posting here aren’t atheists, they’re antitheists. They hide who they are and pretend to be atheists, but they’re the toxic, hateful, antitheists who have made it their life goal to rage against religion. They are as harmful and hateful as any fundamentalist. They are antiAmerican, because American ideals are based on freedom of religion. They don’t say: “I don’t believe in God and I am not religious, but my fellow Americans have the right to practice their religion as I have the right to not practice religion. That’s a unique and hard fought freedom Americans fought for and cherish.”

No, they slink about in the shadows, making atheists look bad, being intolerant and disrespectful, insisting God doesn’t exist, insulting anyone who believes in God. They argue the same points over incessantly in their quest to debate Christianity. They mock other people’s faith with glee, like the good little antitheists they are.

Antitheists are unAmerican and their ideals are incompatible with true American ideals.


I am not antitheist, I am an atheist who is passionate about the separation of church and state and deeply alarmed by the degree to which the evangelical Christian movement has become intertwined with politics in America during my lifetime and how much they are trying to control the freedoms of other people according to the strictures of their religious beliefs.

You can believe whatever you want and live your life by those beliefs, so long as that doesn't tread into my life or any other nonbeliever or different beliefs holder in any form or fashion.

If I lived in Afghanistan I would feel the same way about the Taliban trying to impose their insane belief systems on the entire populace. It's not a particular hatred of Christianity I hold, it is a universal contempt for theocracy which I hold.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The atheists have still not come forth with their view of suffering and how it makes it feel better. Only one person said something about science and her conclusion was that she wasnt sure life is worth it. So, that pretty much supports what other PP said about thinking atheists being depressed.


I'm an atheist and I am not depressed. What is depressing is religion and all the men who have abused women and children in the church.


+1. Also an atheist and in only depressed by the fundamentalists that are hurting others as we speak. In so many ways..some of which are affecting my family in tangible ways .
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So people who don’t believe in God have no capacity to accept people who do believe in God, no respect, no tolerance for Christianity, because they don’t believe it. They seem to tolerate other religions, but Christianity is the singular religion that drives them to obsessively post about how God isn’t real/isn’t all powerful/is all powerful but evil, etc. Being so outraged and outspoken about an entity you don’t believe exists is utterly ridiculous. Also, the people posting here aren’t atheists, they’re antitheists. They hide who they are and pretend to be atheists, but they’re the toxic, hateful, antitheists who have made it their life goal to rage against religion. They are as harmful and hateful as any fundamentalist. They are antiAmerican, because American ideals are based on freedom of religion. They don’t say: “I don’t believe in God and I am not religious, but my fellow Americans have the right to practice their religion as I have the right to not practice religion. That’s a unique and hard fought freedom Americans fought for and cherish.”

No, they slink about in the shadows, making atheists look bad, being intolerant and disrespectful, insisting God doesn’t exist, insulting anyone who believes in God. They argue the same points over incessantly in their quest to debate Christianity. They mock other people’s faith with glee, like the good little antitheists they are.

Antitheists are unAmerican and their ideals are incompatible with true American ideals.


You sure do love your fiction. You even fabricate it yourself.


Is that a sign of some sort of mental decline?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
I am paraphrasing because it is the theme throughout all the comments. That is how theme works.


I do not know where you got that cockamamie idea, but no it is not. Do not paraphrase, use the quote button (which you demonstrated you know how) and DON'T change people's statements. It's very rude and shows you have no position in response to the actual statement so you straw man into something that is easier for you.

I don't get this. This is a democracy (sort of) and people can make decisions based on whatever worldview they hold. You are making policy/voting decisions on atheism. Some people are making decisions based on whatever huge corporations are telling/selling them. Why single religion out? In a democracy all ideas are subject to debate in the public forum. No religion is physically forcing anything on anyone. For that, go to a sharia law country.


Thanks for admitting you are a dominionist. Like most you have also not read the constitution which literally prohibits legislation from a particular religion. You are so wrong on this it is hard to believe you are real.

No one is claiming to understand it completely.


Do you need me to go back and copy and paste all the "god does this because..." statements?

I still have yet to hear any secular position aside from it being random. Random that universe came to be, random that life emerged, random that we evolved in a certain way, random that some are born rich and powerful and others born weak and poor. Random when illness strikes, random when kids die of cancer. Just bad luck.


Another effing lie from you, and a ridiculous one, because people who believe in science know it is a result of flawed natural processes, and you are the one who thinks it is all part of some grand design.

Not how I see it. Religious belief in general is a dimension of human life, one shared by all religious from the caveman down to Christians today. Christianity is just the full truth and fulfillment of all those human strivings for transcendence.


Lol, no more BS. You don't believe in Xenu. Others do. That makes you an atheist WRT Xenu. You don't believe in Vishnu. You don't believe in Zeus, or Leprechauns, or any other thing than your thing.

Atheists deny this whole dimension of humanity.


Nope wrong one more time! (this has to be a record). Atheists don't believe in a god or gods. End period. It has nothing do do with any "dimension of humanity". Oh, and did you know that is a Taoist phrase? You don't believe in that either!


wow you are really triggered. If you don't know what themes mean, then I can't help you. And no religion is trying to prohibit anything. Believers in those religions are voting (and encouraged by their churches) to vote according to their personal beliefs. Is that not how everyone votes? And your statement: "people who believe in science know it is a result of flawed natural processes"...another long way of saying, random. A random flaw happened.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:

Nope wrong one more time! (this has to be a record). Atheists don't believe in a god or gods. End period. It has nothing do do with any "dimension of humanity". Oh, and did you know that is a Taoist phrase? You don't believe in that either!


Right, you deny belief in anything beyond this material world. That is a whole dimension of the human experience you are denying. It is beyond debate that every culture across space and time has had some belief in the spiritual world. It is really one of the things that distinguishes humans. That is what you are denying.
Anonymous


Nope wrong one more time! (this has to be a record). Atheists don't believe in a god or gods. End period. It has nothing do do with any "dimension of humanity". Oh, and did you know that is a Taoist phrase? You don't believe in that either!


Right, you deny belief in anything beyond this material world. That is a whole dimension of the human experience you are denying. It is beyond debate that every culture across space and time has had some belief in the spiritual world. It is really one of the things that distinguishes humans. That is what you are denying.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The atheists have still not come forth with their view of suffering and how it makes it feel better. Only one person said something about science and her conclusion was that she wasnt sure life is worth it. So, that pretty much supports what other PP said about thinking atheists being depressed.


It makes me "feel better" to think there is no knowledgeable being controlling life like we are bacteria in a petri dish. It helps to reconcile this question about cancer or how people can be so evil or why life can be so unfair. It's actually easier to think there is randomness and chance involved rather than "God's will".

Don't get me wrong - I'd LOVE to believe that a good God will come a straighten out the mess down here with a bit of karma. I just haven't seen any evidence whatsoever for that.


I also wonder (quite often actually) what could have been or could be accomplished if even only half the amount of hours spent reading the same book over and over again, worshipping a diety, etc, had been spent in REALITY and finding solutions to making less cancer and making the world a better place. Instead of the absurd amount of wasted time that has taken place while children ARE dying of cancer for example. Not to mention maybe many people would not even consider searching for Those solutions because they think this life is meaningless in comparison to the “life to come”.

Beliefs have consequences.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I am paraphrasing because it is the theme throughout all the comments. That is how theme works.


I do not know where you got that cockamamie idea, but no it is not. Do not paraphrase, use the quote button (which you demonstrated you know how) and DON'T change people's statements. It's very rude and shows you have no position in response to the actual statement so you straw man into something that is easier for you.

I don't get this. This is a democracy (sort of) and people can make decisions based on whatever worldview they hold. You are making policy/voting decisions on atheism. Some people are making decisions based on whatever huge corporations are telling/selling them. Why single religion out? In a democracy all ideas are subject to debate in the public forum. No religion is physically forcing anything on anyone. For that, go to a sharia law country.


Thanks for admitting you are a dominionist. Like most you have also not read the constitution which literally prohibits legislation from a particular religion. You are so wrong on this it is hard to believe you are real.

No one is claiming to understand it completely.


Do you need me to go back and copy and paste all the "god does this because..." statements?

I still have yet to hear any secular position aside from it being random. Random that universe came to be, random that life emerged, random that we evolved in a certain way, random that some are born rich and powerful and others born weak and poor. Random when illness strikes, random when kids die of cancer. Just bad luck.


Another effing lie from you, and a ridiculous one, because people who believe in science know it is a result of flawed natural processes, and you are the one who thinks it is all part of some grand design.

Not how I see it. Religious belief in general is a dimension of human life, one shared by all religious from the caveman down to Christians today. Christianity is just the full truth and fulfillment of all those human strivings for transcendence.


Lol, no more BS. You don't believe in Xenu. Others do. That makes you an atheist WRT Xenu. You don't believe in Vishnu. You don't believe in Zeus, or Leprechauns, or any other thing than your thing.

Atheists deny this whole dimension of humanity.


Nope wrong one more time! (this has to be a record). Atheists don't believe in a god or gods. End period. It has nothing do do with any "dimension of humanity". Oh, and did you know that is a Taoist phrase? You don't believe in that either!


wow you are really triggered. If you don't know what themes mean, then I can't help you.


Oh, I know what it means, and I also know what it means TO YOU: An excuse the straw man and change people's statements. Dishonest, and you should be ashamed.

And no religion is trying to prohibit anything. Believers in those religions are voting (and encouraged by their churches) to vote according to their personal beliefs.


Laughably false, you dominionist anti-constitution anti-american creep.

And your statement: "people who believe in science know it is a result of flawed natural processes"...another long way of saying, random. A random flaw happened.


Again you show your massive ignorance. Something can't be flawed AND random, dumbass.

Yes I have resorted to name calling because you don't read don't listen don't care. You are a dishonest interlocutor.
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