Ballerina Farm

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Anonymous wrote:Ballerina Farm's Hannah Neeleman Blasts 'Tradwife' Print Profile as 'an Attack on My Family and My Marriage'

https://people.com/ballerina-farm-hannah-neeleman-blasts-print-profile-8687137

The article is unreadable to me because of the McDonald’s ad that keeps squishing the words together. I can’t get past the first paragraph.

Honestly, that article was so biased that I can’t help but think some of it was exaggerated and it makes me wonder what she didn’t write in that would’ve been favorable to the family.

It’s not a lifestyle for me and I don’t strive for her life. I see nothing wrong with wanting to live that life. If that’s the life she wants to live and that is her choice.

But that’s the whole point of this debate.
Does someone want to lead this life, or does someone (female) not have agency in this organized religion to say ‘no?’

What happened to “believe the women”? She says she is happy. She says she likes her life. I believe her.

NP. Nobody wants to pump out 8 kids by 34. It’s a weird fetish. As soon as reliable birth control was available we saw the size of the American family shrink.

Asian countries are freaking out about women not wanting to have babies and trying to incentivize them too… And it’s not working.

You have the Duggars - it clearly worked out real well for them and I’m sure Michelle is super happy. And then you have Angelina, but even she only wanted to be pregnant twice and then just adopt a bunch of kids from different countries so they could watch their dad hit her and throw beer on all of them on a private plane. That worked out great.

I don’t think this is what people mean when they say believe women lol.

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Anonymous wrote:I follow an ex-Mormon influencer who said that the Mormon church buys a lot of online ads on her videos, presumably to convert people. She said it wouldn't be surprising if the church has ads on most Mormon tradwife content creators in an effort to drive up recruitment. They do have a multi-billion endowment!

It's not shocking to me. It's smart. Like other Christian groups and Islam, Mormonism seeks converts. Can't blame them for being excellent at marketing.

I'm ex-LDS and agree although I think the angle is just as much to keep current members in the church. There are a lot of prominent bloggers who started out as faithful LDS and publicly broke up with the church, for example Amber Fillerup Clark of Barefoot Blonde and C Jane Kendrick, sister of NieNie. The church is bleeding out young American members and trying desperately to staunch the flow. This is an easy way that requires less manpower than having their (dwindling) missionary base knock on doors and try to badger inactive members in their early 20s and 30s to come back to church.

Idk if these two ladies are really that bad for the church. Amber has a crazy successful brand, and her dh is still LDS. C Jane I have followed forever (since Nienie's crash) and I think she really struggles mentally, for various reasons. Nienie struggles too in other ways. Influencers like the Skallas aren't as appealing as they used to be, and I think people realize it is a facade to some extent. Young people in America are generally less religious, so it's no surprise it'd be harder to retain members.

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Anonymous wrote:I follow an ex-Mormon influencer who said that the Mormon church buys a lot of online ads on her videos, presumably to convert people. She said it wouldn't be surprising if the church has ads on most Mormon tradwife content creators in an effort to drive up recruitment. They do have a multi-billion endowment!

It's not shocking to me. It's smart. Like other Christian groups and Islam, Mormonism seeks converts. Can't blame them for being excellent at marketing.

I'm ex-LDS and agree although I think the angle is just as much to keep current members in the church. There are a lot of prominent bloggers who started out as faithful LDS and publicly broke up with the church, for example Amber Fillerup Clark of Barefoot Blonde and C Jane Kendrick, sister of NieNie. The church is bleeding out young American members and trying desperately to staunch the flow. This is an easy way that requires less manpower than having their (dwindling) missionary base knock on doors and try to badger inactive members in their early 20s and 30s to come back to church.

Idk if these two ladies are really that bad for the church. Amber has a crazy successful brand, and her dh is still LDS. C Jane I have followed forever (since Nienie's crash) and I think she really struggles mentally, for various reasons. Nienie struggles too in other ways. Influencers like the Skallas aren't as appealing as they used to be, and I think people realize it is a facade to some extent. Young people in America are generally less religious, so it's no surprise it'd be harder to retain members.

I rather like the Skallas. Rachel (Skalla) Parcell's response to a poster questioning her modesty as an active LDS was "tell them to mind their own damn business" or something like that. At least she's willing to speak up rather than leave. How many other younger women have left the church or become inactive in part because they are disgusted by garments?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I follow an ex-Mormon influencer who said that the Mormon church buys a lot of online ads on her videos, presumably to convert people. She said it wouldn't be surprising if the church has ads on most Mormon tradwife content creators in an effort to drive up recruitment. They do have a multi-billion endowment!

It's not shocking to me. It's smart. Like other Christian groups and Islam, Mormonism seeks converts. Can't blame them for being excellent at marketing.

I'm ex-LDS and agree although I think the angle is just as much to keep current members in the church. There are a lot of prominent bloggers who started out as faithful LDS and publicly broke up with the church, for example Amber Fillerup Clark of Barefoot Blonde and C Jane Kendrick, sister of NieNie. The church is bleeding out young American members and trying desperately to staunch the flow. This is an easy way that requires less manpower than having their (dwindling) missionary base knock on doors and try to badger inactive members in their early 20s and 30s to come back to church.

Idk if these two ladies are really that bad for the church. Amber has a crazy successful brand, and her dh is still LDS. C Jane I have followed forever (since Nienie's crash) and I think she really struggles mentally, for various reasons. Nienie struggles too in other ways. Influencers like the Skallas aren't as appealing as they used to be, and I think people realize it is a facade to some extent. Young people in America are generally less religious, so it's no surprise it'd be harder to retain members.

I rather like the Skallas. Rachel (Skalla) Parcell's response to a poster questioning her modesty as an active LDS was "tell them to mind their own damn business" or something like that. At least she's willing to speak up rather than leave. How many other younger women have left the church or become inactive in part because they are disgusted by garments?

Probably quite a few. More so because of what they represent than the inconvenience of wearing them. It's basically impossible to be an influential fashion blogger while wearing them, though. I suspect the older two Skalla girls aren't trying to rock the boat with their parent$$ and in law$$ and are happy to keep pretending they care about the church.

I don't think Amber's husband is still LDS. He drinks alcohol and coffee now.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I follow an ex-Mormon influencer who said that the Mormon church buys a lot of online ads on her videos, presumably to convert people. She said it wouldn't be surprising if the church has ads on most Mormon tradwife content creators in an effort to drive up recruitment. They do have a multi-billion endowment!

It's not shocking to me. It's smart. Like other Christian groups and Islam, Mormonism seeks converts. Can't blame them for being excellent at marketing.

I'm ex-LDS and agree although I think the angle is just as much to keep current members in the church. There are a lot of prominent bloggers who started out as faithful LDS and publicly broke up with the church, for example Amber Fillerup Clark of Barefoot Blonde and C Jane Kendrick, sister of NieNie. The church is bleeding out young American members and trying desperately to staunch the flow. This is an easy way that requires less manpower than having their (dwindling) missionary base knock on doors and try to badger inactive members in their early 20s and 30s to come back to church.

Idk if these two ladies are really that bad for the church. Amber has a crazy successful brand, and her dh is still LDS. C Jane I have followed forever (since Nienie's crash) and I think she really struggles mentally, for various reasons. Nienie struggles too in other ways. Influencers like the Skallas aren't as appealing as they used to be, and I think people realize it is a facade to some extent. Young people in America are generally less religious, so it's no surprise it'd be harder to retain members.

I rather like the Skallas. Rachel (Skalla) Parcell's response to a poster questioning her modesty as an active LDS was "tell them to mind their own damn business" or something like that. At least she's willing to speak up rather than leave. How many other younger women have left the church or become inactive in part because they are disgusted by garments?

I don't really respect them standing up for that because they have a new version of cultural conformity: being extra thin with lots of surgery to look perfect. It's like modesty rules have been replaced with a different set of physical rules to conform to for women. They're all on Ozempic after the mom's success with it (aside from Meg).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I follow an ex-Mormon influencer who said that the Mormon church buys a lot of online ads on her videos, presumably to convert people. She said it wouldn't be surprising if the church has ads on most Mormon tradwife content creators in an effort to drive up recruitment. They do have a multi-billion endowment!

It's not shocking to me. It's smart. Like other Christian groups and Islam, Mormonism seeks converts. Can't blame them for being excellent at marketing.

I'm ex-LDS and agree although I think the angle is just as much to keep current members in the church. There are a lot of prominent bloggers who started out as faithful LDS and publicly broke up with the church, for example Amber Fillerup Clark of Barefoot Blonde and C Jane Kendrick, sister of NieNie. The church is bleeding out young American members and trying desperately to staunch the flow. This is an easy way that requires less manpower than having their (dwindling) missionary base knock on doors and try to badger inactive members in their early 20s and 30s to come back to church.

Idk if these two ladies are really that bad for the church. Amber has a crazy successful brand, and her dh is still LDS. C Jane I have followed forever (since Nienie's crash) and I think she really struggles mentally, for various reasons. Nienie struggles too in other ways. Influencers like the Skallas aren't as appealing as they used to be, and I think people realize it is a facade to some extent. Young people in America are generally less religious, so it's no surprise it'd be harder to retain members.

I rather like the Skallas. Rachel (Skalla) Parcell's response to a poster questioning her modesty as an active LDS was "tell them to mind their own damn business" or something like that. At least she's willing to speak up rather than leave. How many other younger women have left the church or become inactive in part because they are disgusted by garments?

I don't really respect them standing up for that because they have a new version of cultural conformity: being extra thin with lots of surgery to look perfect. It's like modesty rules have been replaced with a different set of physical rules to conform to for women. They're all on Ozempic after the mom's success with it (aside from Meg).

They do look grotesquely thin lately. Ozempic makes sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I echo Chris rock when he said that American's biggest addiction is not opoids, but attention. He outlined the four general ways to get it. Show your ass, be infamous, be excellent or be a victim.

In this case it seems wrong to suggest she is doing the first but she is using her body and her beauty to promote. It's wholesome, but it's still use of her body. Can we be real about that? It's such a given that we don't even question that of course you have to be these things on Instagram to reach that level. But I digress...I think they are promoting their way of life which they see as "Excellent." And/or superior. All of it...the eight kids, the "natural" life on the farm, the homeschooling, etc. That's why he got wounded and pissed (her too probably) when the article came out. Because it's a narcissistic injury. (I'm not saying they are narcissists). Wrapped up in faux humility these are savvy business people who want to and believe they have control. Because in the echo chamber of Instagram they have followers kissng the ring and that buffers them. But when the scope widens and surprise surprise the larger public does not universally buy it, they feel compelled to defend themselves and act victimized. Grow up... accept that you won't be adored by all and moreso to some, your life actually looks backwards and you may be pitied and or criticized. Your brand does not appeal universally, sorry. If you feel good about yourselves (doesn't the Bible say be not of this world?) and you are making money why should you give such a big sh*t? Everyone has to love you or envy you? It's exhausting.

* standing ovation *
Ballerina farm is every other 'influencer' minus the cult of mormonism.

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Anonymous wrote:She has a ton of help. Multiple nannies, farm employees, and people running the business side of the brand. The shtick of a hardscrabble family pulling themselves up by their bootstraps sells product but it's not at all reality. Most of the meat and other items they sell are not actually produced on their farm. And yes, the husband's family bankrolls most of their lifestyle. It's fun and games now but it won't be when the kids are old enough to realize their parents pretended to homeschool them and dressed them up in flour sacks and bonnets to get attention on social media.

really? didn't it say she was hospitalized for exhaustion? she does look great despite all those kids though.

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The disturbing thing is that the business and the house only have her husband on the establishing documents and the deed. Such a precarious position to be in, and so strange when she is the face of the business.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She has a ton of help. Multiple nannies, farm employees, and people running the business side of the brand. The shtick of a hardscrabble family pulling themselves up by their bootstraps sells product but it's not at all reality. Most of the meat and other items they sell are not actually produced on their farm. And yes, the husband's family bankrolls most of their lifestyle. It's fun and games now but it won't be when the kids are old enough to realize their parents pretended to homeschool them and dressed them up in flour sacks and bonnets to get attention on social media.

really? didn't it say she was hospitalized for exhaustion? she does look great despite all those kids though.

Any online source about the Nannie’s and family bankrolling the farm?

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:She has a ton of help. Multiple nannies, farm employees, and people running the business side of the brand. The shtick of a hardscrabble family pulling themselves up by their bootstraps sells product but it's not at all reality. Most of the meat and other items they sell are not actually produced on their farm. And yes, the husband's family bankrolls most of their lifestyle. It's fun and games now but it won't be when the kids are old enough to realize their parents pretended to homeschool them and dressed them up in flour sacks and bonnets to get attention on social media.

really? didn't it say she was hospitalized for exhaustion? she does look great despite all those kids though.

Any online source about the Nannie’s and family bankrolling the farm?

NP- I read about this on Reddit. I think in the Utah influencer snark subreddit.

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Their business practices are sketchy too. They imply that the meat is from their farm but there’s no way they could be shipping out all that meat with the small number of animals they have. It’s not labeled as organic, while they would lead you to believe it is. There’s now something on the website about the meat coming from small family farms but wouldn’t they highlight the farms? Also they ship flower boxes with all the flowers sourced from Ecuador, again while having an image of being a family farm and emphasizing it’s important to shop local, etc. All of their other items are made in china and just have their logo slapped on.

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Anonymous wrote:Their business practices are sketchy too. They imply that the meat is from their farm but there’s no way they could be shipping out all that meat with the small number of animals they have. It’s not labeled as organic, while they would lead you to believe it is. There’s now something on the website about the meat coming from small family farms but wouldn’t they highlight the farms? Also they ship flower boxes with all the flowers sourced from Ecuador, again while having an image of being a family farm and emphasizing it’s important to shop local, etc. All of their other items are made in china and just have their logo slapped on.

This is most influencer businesses. The Food Nanny (Ballerina Farms copies her) actually gets her kamut in Montana, makes her dough hooks and pans in Utah. She's the real deal.

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Anonymous wrote:She has a ton of help. Multiple nannies, farm employees, and people running the business side of the brand. The shtick of a hardscrabble family pulling themselves up by their bootstraps sells product but it's not at all reality. Most of the meat and other items they sell are not actually produced on their farm. And yes, the husband's family bankrolls most of their lifestyle. It's fun and games now but it won't be when the kids are old enough to realize their parents pretended to homeschool them and dressed them up in flour sacks and bonnets to get attention on social media.

really? didn't it say she was hospitalized for exhaustion? she does look great despite all those kids though.

Yeah they specifically said they DIDN'T want nannies, so I'm not sure where that pp is getting it from.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:She has a ton of help. Multiple nannies, farm employees, and people running the business side of the brand. The shtick of a hardscrabble family pulling themselves up by their bootstraps sells product but it's not at all reality. Most of the meat and other items they sell are not actually produced on their farm. And yes, the husband's family bankrolls most of their lifestyle. It's fun and games now but it won't be when the kids are old enough to realize their parents pretended to homeschool them and dressed them up in flour sacks and bonnets to get attention on social media.

really? didn't it say she was hospitalized for exhaustion? she does look great despite all those kids though.

Yeah they specifically said they DIDN'T want nannies, so I'm not sure where that pp is getting it from.

No doubt their outsourced homeschooling teacher works 9-5 but she’s not a nanny. LOL